2011 Best of Baseball election thread

[jalbright]

This is our seventy-sixth election in this project. We go annual after this. The entire rules follow.

This election will end at 11:59:59 PM EST on November 18, 2011

The prior election, and the ballots of the 2010 voters, are in this thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?106266-2010-Best-of-Baseball-election-thread)

[jalbright]

1) BBF users in good standing may participate, provided they have not been banned from multiple projects in this forum. Anyone who has been told his or her votes will not count in more than one project in this forum will not have his or her vote counted unless he or she applies to the project manager for the right to vote and gets that request granted. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance. Should there be unannounced multiple votes from the same IP, I will investigate the circumstances, and all user names involved may be barred from this project as a result, and all but one of the multiple usernames permanently banned from the site. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.

2) Elections will require a 10 voter quorum. If we do not get ten voters and there are candidate(s) who would be elected no matter what the voters needed to make a quorum did, those candidate(s) will be inducted. Otherwise, no one will be inducted. Further, if we fail to elect a full complement of candidates for the ballot in question in two of any four consecutive elections, the portion(s) of the project failing to meet the election requirement will end. If, for instance, we're doing fine on the player end but not the contributor end, I would drop the contributor end under this rule.

3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. For the first election (1936), voters will rank their top 20, taking 10. After that we will go to having voters rank their top 12 players. Points awarded 12-11-10, etc. We will take the top five through 1940, then top three players per year elected until 2010, then two per year. If a voter does not number his selections, I will try to get him/her to do so. If they do not do so before the end of the election period, I may in my sole discretion invalidate the ballot. I have included this provision in order to ease the process of recording the votes. On another point, I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.

4) We will also have a contributor ballot, which will elect one a year through 1985, then one every three (3) years. Contributors will be ranked 1 through 5, with points awarded 5-4-3-2-1. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both.

5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.

6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the voting is open. However, if you change your ballot, you've got to notify me (jalbright) by PM or by a new post in the voting thread, or the changes likely will not be registered.

7) Players are eligible at the later of age 45 or the first year thereafter in which the player does not play. If the birthdate is not known, add five years to the first time the player misses a season and has less than 10 games the next season. There is an exception for early death, in which case the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date.

8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or in the year of death plus two. whichever comes first.

9) Each election will run for approximately two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.

10) No one is excluded from being a candidate, regardless of the league they played in, except those elected in either the contributor or player ballots. At that point, they are removed from further consideration. If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project.

11) The standard for including a player on one's ballot is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 15th in a 12 person ballot instead of one of the top 12, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 25th best eligible candidate on a 12 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). I reserve the power to invalidate ballots which I do not feel are a reasonably knowledgeable, good faith effort to rank the players. One issue I am quite concerned about is that I do not want to see what clearly appear to be attempts to manipulate the ballot so as to elect a candidate. In isolation, I probably could live with this, but if it became a widely used tactic, the project would devolve into something I have no desire to be associated with. Moreover, I think that this position asks everyone else to cast legitimate votes so that you can manipulate the system to favor your pet candidates. I cannot accept that, as it strikes me as unfair to other voters. For example, you can't expect to favor even a legitimate HOF candidate like Bill Dahlen over Babe Ruth to get Dahlen elected without being asked to provide a reasonable justification for ranking Dahlen over Ruth. If you can provide a reasonable justification in that scenario, the ballot will stand. If not, you will be asked to make a change. I realize voters will sometimes have idiosyncratic choices, and I try to allow for that. However, a clear flouting of a consensus is apt to be met with a request that the ballot be justified pursuant to this rule. Certainly, a reasonable justification does not indicate in essence simply that you want Dahlen elected. Furthermore, if I invalidate multiple ballots by the same individual as failing to meet this rule, that individual will forever lose the right to have his/her ballots counted. Voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.

12) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.

13) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however. The contributor list is undoubtedly not as comprehensive, and this fact will be taken into consideration. For players, any request for a multiple time all-star in the all-star era will be approved. Players of that quality will generally be approved without much ado. However, when a player lacks that kind of qualification, I will likely ask for you to get a second from among our voters via a post in the current election thread. When in doubt, I will also require a second for suggested contributors. If a second is forthcoming, the player will be added. If not, the request will be rejected. I want to limit requests and seconds to players or contributors you actually might vote for.

14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

15) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.

16) Any players listed beyond the 12th place for any ballot but the first (in which case it is 20th place) will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

17) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first thing considered is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If they remain tied after this process, the candidate with the most votes received wins. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.

19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.

20) I will maintain a thread of the project's history and rules which will provide a listing of all elected candidates.

[jalbright]

The players who become eligible in 2011 are:


Belle , Albert
Glavine , Tom
Justice , David
McDowell , Jack
Maddux, Greg
Moyer, Jamie
Schilling, Curt
Walker , Larry
Wetteland , John


The contributors who become eligible in 2011 are:


Bob Watson

[jalbright]

The 2010 player candidates who were not elected had these results in that election:


Player……………… votes pts
Bando, Sal 5 40
Rixey, Eppa 6 37
Aparicio, Luis 5 34
Brown, Kevin 4 31
McGriff, Fred 3 28
Palmiero, R 4 28
Puckett, Kirby 5 26
Beckley , Jake 4 25
Shocker, Urban 4 24
Mullane , Tony 3 20
Berger , Wally 3 19
Pierce, Billy 5 17
Duffy , Hugh 3 15
Dandridge, Ray 4 12
Munson, Thurman 2 12
Sutter, Bruce 3 11
Nettles, Graig 3 10
Randolph, W 2 10
Grimes , B 2 9
Saberhagen, B 1 9
Evans, Darrell 2 8
Leach , Tommy 1 8
Lundy , Dick 1 8
Quisenberry, D 2 7
Sewell , Joe 1 7
Bonds, Bobby 1 6
Fingers, Rollie 1 6
Gomez, Lefty 1 6
Smith, Chino 3 6
Cone, David 1 5
Howard, Frank 1 5
Cepeda, Orlando 1 4
Murphy, Dale 1 4
Newcombe, Don 1 4
Perez, Tony 2 4
Jones, Charley 1 3
Evers, Johnny 1 2
Rice, Sam 1 2
Pike, Lip 1 1


The 2010 contributor candidates who were not elected had these results in that election:


Contributor….. votes pts
Neft, David 5 22
Gillick, Pat 7 20
Mizuhara, S 5 11
Schuerhotlz, J 5 11
Smith, Red 3 7
Harvey, Doug 3 6
Martin, Billy 3 6
Pompez, Alex 2 6
Caray, Harry 1 5
Jobe, Frank 1 5
Harris , Bucky 1 4
McCarthy, Tommy 1 4
O'Doul, Lefty 1 4
Pesky, Johnny 1 4
Harwell, Ernie 1 3
Johnson, Davey 1 3
Uecker, Bob 1 1


I strongly suggest that you pay attention to these lists, as the leaders of the holdovers are likely to join any strong newcomer candidates as the leaders for winning induction.

[jalbright]

Members of the Best of Baseball Hall. Last election's inductees are in red.
Players


Hank Aaron
Pete Alexander
Dick Allen
Cap Anson
Luke Appling
Richie Ashburn
Earl Averill
Frank Baker
Ernie Banks
Ross Barnes
John Beckwith
Cool Papa Bell
Johnny Bench
Charlie Bennett
Yogi Berra
Akira Bessho
Craig Biggio
Bert Blyleven
Wade Boggs
Barry Bonds
Lou Boudreau
Ken Boyer
Roger Bresnahan
George Brett
Lou Brock
Dan Brouthers
Mordecai Brown
Ray Brown
Willard Brown
Jim Bunning
Jesse Burkett
Roy Campanella
Rod Carew
Max Carey
Gary Carter
Steve Carlton
Bob Caruthers
Perucho Cepeda
Oscar Charleston
Cupid Childs
Will Clark
Fred Clarke
John Clarkson
Roberto Clemente
Ty Cobb
Mickey Cochrane
Eddie Collins
Jimmy Collins
Roger Connor
Stan Coveleski
Sam Crawford
Joe Cronin
Bill Dahlen
George Davis
Andre Dawson
Dizzy Dean
Ed Delahanty
Bill Dickey
Martin Dihigo
Joe DiMaggio
Larry Doby
Bobby Doerr
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Dwight Evans
Buck Ewing
Red Faber
Bob Feller
Wes Ferrell
Carlton Fisk
Elmer Flick
Whitey Ford
Willie Foster
Nellie Fox
Jimmie Foxx
Bill Freehan
Frankie Frisch
Pud Galvin
Lou Gehrig
Charlie Gehringer
Bob Gibson
Josh Gibson
Jack Glasscock
Joe Gordon
George Gore
Goose Goslin
Goose Gossage
Frank Grant
Hank Greenberg
Bobby Grich
Heinie Groh
Lefty Grove
Tony Gwynn
Stan Hack
Billy Hamilton
Isao Harimoto
Gabby Hartnett
Harry Heilmann
Rickey Henderson
Billy Herman
Keith Hernandez
Pete Hill
Paul Hines
Rogers Hornsby
Carl Hubbell
Kazuhisa Inao
Monte Irvin
Joe Jackson
Reggie Jackson
Ferguson Jenkins
Hughie Jennings
Grant "Home Run" Johnson
Randy Johnson
Walter Johnson
Addie Joss
Al Kaline
Masaichi Kaneda
Tim Keefe
Willie Keeler
Charlie Keller
Joe Kelley
King Kelly
Harmon Killebrew
Ralph Kiner
Sandy Koufax
Masaaki Koyama
Nap LaJoie
Barry Larkin
Bob Lemon
Buck Leonard
Pop Lloyd
Ted Lyons
Biz Mackey
Sherry Magee
Mickey Mantle
Juan Marichal
Eddie Mathews
Christy Mathewson
Willie Mays
Willie McCovey
Joe McGinnity
Bid McPhee
Joe Medwick
Jose Mendez
Minnie Minoso
Johnny Mize
Paul Molitor
Dobie Moore
Joe Morgan
Eddie Murray
Stan Musial
Shigeo Nagashima
Hal Newhouser
Kid Nichols
Phil Niekro
Katsuya Nomura
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Sadaharu Oh
Alejandro Oms
Jim O'Rourke
Mel Ott
Satchel Paige
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Eddie Plank
Charlie Radbourn
Tim Raines
Pee Wee Reese
Rick Reuschel
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Robin Roberts
Brooks Robinson
Frank Robinson
Jackie Robinson
Bullet Joe Rogan
Pete Rose
Edd Roush
Red Ruffing
Amos Rusie
Babe Ruth
Nolan Ryan
Ryne Sandberg
Ron Santo
Louis Santop
Mike Schmidt
Tom Seaver
Jimmy Sheckard
Al Simmons
Ted Simmons
George Sisler
Enos Slaughter
Hilton Smith
Ozzie Smith
Reggie Smith
Duke Snider
Warren Spahn
Tris Speaker
Victor Starffin
Willie Stargell
Joe Start
Turkey Stearnes
Harry Stovey
Mule Suttles
Don Sutton
Ezra Sutton
Bill Terry
Sam Thompson
Luis Tiant
Joe Torre
Cristobal Torriente
Alan Trammell
Pie Traynor
Quincy Trouppe
Dazzy Vance
Arky Vaughan
Rube Waddell
Honus Wagner
Bobby Wallace
Ed Walsh
Paul Waner
John M. Ward
Willie Wells
Zack Wheat
Lou Whitaker
Deacon White
Hoyt Wilhelm
Billy Williams
Smoky Joe Williams
Ted Williams
Jud Wilson
Dave Winfield
George Wright
Early Wynn
Jimmy Wynn
Carl Yastrzemski
Cy Young
Robin Yount


Contributors


Iso Abe
Doc Adams
Mel Allen
Walter Alston
Sparky Anderson
Red Barber
Ed Barrow
Buzzue Bavasi
Ed Bolden
Alexander Cartwright
O. P. Caylor
Henry Chadwick
Frank Chance
Charlie Commiskey
Charles Conlon
Tom Connolly
Bobby Cox
Jim Creighton
Jack Dunn
Leo Durocher
Al Munro Elias
Billy Evans
Bob Ferguson
Rube Foster
Ford Frick
Gus Greenlee
Clark Griffith
Ned Hanlon
Vic Harris
Whitey Herzog
William Hulbert
Miller Huggins
Ban Johnson
Tetsuharu Kawakami
Bill Klem
Kenesaw Landis
Tommy Lasorda
Tony LaRussa
Al Lopez
Connie Mack
Larry MacPhail
Joe McCarthy
John McGraw
Bill McKechnie
Marvin Miller
Walter O'Malley
Buck O'Neill
Dickey Pearce
Cum Posey
A. J. Reach
Francis Richter
Branch Rickey
Phil Rizzuto
Jacob Ruppert
Vin Scully
Frank Selee
Ben Shibe
Matsutaro Shoriki
Billy Southworth
Al Spalding
Alfred Spink
J. G. T. Spink
Casey Stengel
C. I. Taylor
Kazuto Tsuruoka
Bill Veeck
Earl Weaver
George Weiss
Sol White
J. L. Wilkinson
Dick Williams
Harry Wright

[jalbright]

The complete list of eligible players:


Adams , Babe
Adams , Bobby
Adams , Sparky
Aguilera , Rick
Allen , Johnny
Alou , Jesus
Alou , Matty
Alou, Felipe
Altrock , Nick
Aparicio, Luis
Archer , Jimmy
Arlett , Buzz
Austin , Jimmy
Avila, Bobby
Bailey , Bob
Baines , Harold
Baker , Dusty
Bancroft , Dave
Bando, Sal
Barry , Jack
Bartell , Dick
Battin , Joe
Bauer , Hank
Baylor , Don
Beaumont , Ginger
Beck , Rod
Beckert, Glenn
Beckley , Jake
Bedrosian , Steve
Belanger , Mark
Bell , Buddy
Bell , George
Belle , Albert
Bender , Chief
Benton , Larry
Berg , Moe
Bergen , Marty
Berger , Wally
Berry , Charlie
Bibby , Jim
Bichette , Dante
Bigbee , Carson
Billingham , Jack
Bishop , Max
Blackwell , Ewell
Blades , Ray
Blair , Paul
Blass , Steve
Blue , Lu
Blue , Vida
Bluege , Ossie
Bodie , Ping
Boley , Joe
Bond , Tommy
Bonds , Bobby
Bonilla , Bobby
Boone, Bob
Bottomley , Jim
Bowa , Larry
Boyer , Clete
Bradley , Bill
Brecheen , Harry
Breitenstein , Ted
Brewer , Jim
Bridges , Tommy
Brown , Kevin
Browning , Pete
Browning , Tom
Bruton, Bill
Buckner , Bill
Buhner , Jay
Burdette , Lew
Burgess , Smoky
Burns , George J.
Burroughs , Jeff
Bush , Joe
Bush , Donie
Bush , Guy
Butler , Brett
Cadore , Leon
Camilli , Dolph
Caminiti , Ken
Camnitz , Howie
Campaneris , Bert
Campbell , Bill
Candelaria , John
Candiotti , Tom
Canseco , Jose
Cardenal , Jose
Cardenas , Leo
Carrasquel. Chico
Carrigan , Bill
Carroll, Clay
Carter , Joe
Case , George
Cash , Dave
Cash, Norm
Cavaretta , Phil
Cedeno , Cesar
Cepeda , Orlando
Cey , Ron
Chandler , Spud
Chapman , Ben
Chapman , Ray
Chapman , Sam
Chase , Hal
Chesbro , Jack
Cicotte , Eddie
Cissell , Bill
Clark , Jack
Clark , Watty
Clarkson , Bus
Clemens, Roger
Clift, Harlond
Coakley , Andy
Colavito, Rocky
Coleman , Vince
Collins , Shano
Combs , Earle
Concepcion , Dave
Cone, David
Conroy , Wid
Coombs , Jack
Cooper , Andy
Cooper , Mort
Cooper , Walker
Cooper , Wilbur
Courtney , Clint
Cox , Billy
Crandall , Doc
Crandall, Del
Cravath , Gavvy
Criger , Lou
Critz , Hughie
Cross , Lave
Crowder , Al
Cruise , Walt
Cruz , Jose
Cuccinello , Tony
Cummings , Candy
Cuyler , Kiki
Dandridge , Ray
Danning , Harry
Dark , Alvin
Darling , Ron
Daubert , Jake
Daulton , Darren
Davis , Chili
Davis , Curt
Davis , Eric
Davis , Harry
Davis , Mark
Davis , Spud
Day , Leon
DeCinces, Doug
Dempsey , Rick
Denny , John
Dent , Bucky
Derringer , Paul
Deshaies , Jim
DiMaggio , Dom
Dinneen , Bill
Doak , Bill
Donaldson, John
Donlin , Mike
Donovan , Bill
Dooin , Red
Downing, Bryan
Doyle , Jack
Doyle , Larry
Drabek , Doug
Dropo , Walt
Duffy , Hugh
Dugan , Joe
Dunlap , Fred
Dunston , Shawon
Dykes , Jimmy
Dykstra , Lenny
Earnshaw , George
Easter, Luke
Edwards , Hank
Ehmke , Howard
Eisenreich , Jim
Elberfeld , Kid
Elliott , Bob
Elliott , Jumbo
Ellis , Dock
Enatsu , Yutaka
Ennis, Del
Ens , Jewel
Erskine , Carl
Evans , Darrell
Evers , Johnny
Face, Roy
Fairly , Ron
Falkenberg , Cy
Fernandez , Sid
Fernandez , Tony
Ferrell , Rick
Fielder , Cecil
Fingers , Rollie
Finley , Chuck
Fitzsimmons , Freddie
Flanagan , Mike
Fletcher , Art
Flood , Curt
Fonseca , Lew
Forsch, Bob
Foster , Eddie
Foster , George
Franco , John
Fraser , Chick
Fregosi , Jim
Furillo , Carl
Gaetti , Gary
Galan , Augie
Galarraga , Andres
Garner , Phil
Garver, Ned
Garvey , Steve
Gelbert , Charlie
Gibson , Kirk
Glavine , Tom
Gleason , Kid
Gomez , Lefty
Gonzalez , Mike
Gooden , Dwight
Gowdy , Hank
Grace , Mark
Grant , Eddie
Grantham , George
Greenwell , Mike
Griffey, Sr, Ken
Grimes , Burleigh
Grimm , Charlie
Grissom , Marv
Groat, Dick
Gromek , Steve
Grove , Orval
Guerrero , Pedro
Guidry, Ron
Guillen , Ozzie
Gullickson , Bill
Gustine , Frank
Haas , Mule
Haddix, Harvey
Hafey , Chick
Hahn , Noodles
Haines , Jesse
Hallahan , Bill
Harder , Mel
Hargrave , Bubbles
Hargrove , Mike
Harrah , Toby
Harrelson , Bud
Harris , Bucky
Harris , Vic
Hatton , Grady
Hearn , Jim
Hebner , Richie
Hegan , Jim
Helms, Tommy
Hemus , Solly
Henderson , Dave
Henke , Tom
Henrich , Tommy
Herman , Babe
Hernandez , Willie
Hershiser , Orel
Herzog , Buck
Hickman , Jim
Higgins , Mike
Hiller , John
Hinchman , Bill
Hodges, Gil
Holmes , Tommy
Holtzman , Ken
Honeycutt , Rick
Hooper , Harry
Hooton, Burt
Horton , Willie
Hough, Charlie
Houtteman , Art
Howard , Frank
Howard, Elston
Hoy , Dummy
Hoyt , Waite
Hrabosky , Al
Hrbek , Kent
Huggins , Miller
Hunter , Catfish
Hurst , Bruce
Hutchinson , Fred
Irwin , Charlie
Jackman , Will
Jackson , Sonny
Jensen , Jackie
John , Tommy
Johnson , Bob
Johnson , Davey
Johnson , Judy
Jones , Charley
Jones , Doug
Jones , Fielder
Jones , Sam P.
Jordan , Tim
Jorgenson , Mike
Judge , Joe
Jurges , Billy
Justice , David
Kaat, Jim
Kamm , Willie
Kawakami , Tetsuharu
Kell , George
Keltner , Ken
Kennedy , Terry
Kerr , Dickie
Kessinger , Don
Key , Jimmy
Kile , Darryl
Killefer , Bill
Kilroy , Matt
Kinder , Ellis
Kingman , Dave
Klein , Chuck
Kling , Johnny
Kluszewski, Ted
Knabe , Otto
Knight , Ray
Koosman , Jerry
Kremer , Ray
Kress , Red
Kruk , John
Krukow , Mike
Kuenn, Harvey
Kuhel , Joe
Kuzava , Bob
Lange , Bill
Lanier , Hal
Lansford , Carney
Larkin , Henry
Larsen, Don
Latham , Arlie
Lavagetto , Cookie
Law, Vern
Lazzeri , Tony
Leach , Freddy
Leach , Tommy
Lee , Bill
Lee , Bill (Spaceman)
Leever , Sam
Lemon , Chet
Leonard , Dennis
Leonard , Emil (Dutch)
Lewis , Duffy
Lewis, Buddy
Lindstrom , Freddie
Lobert , Hans
Lockman , Whitey
Lolich, Mickey
Lollar, Sherm
Lombardi , Ernie
Lonborg , Jim
Long , Herman
Lopat , Ed
Lopes , Davey
Lopez , Al
Lowe , Bobby
Lowenstein , John
Lucas , Red
Lundy , Dick
Luque , Dolf
Luzinski, Greg
Lyle , Sparky
Lynn , Fred
Lyons , Denny
Maddux, Greg
Madlock , Bill
Maglie , Sal
Maloney, Jim
Mancuso , Gus
Manush , Heinie
Maranville , Rabbit
Marberry , Firpo
Marion , Marty
Maris, Roger
Marquard , Rube
Marshall , Mike G.
Martin , Morrie
Martin , Pepper
Martinez , Dennis
Martinez, Edgar
Mathews , Bobby
Mattingly , Don
May , Lee
Mays , Carl
Mazeroski , Bill
McAleer , Jimmy
McCarthy , Tommy
McCarver , Tim
McCormick , Frank
McCormick , Jim
McDaniel , Lindy
McDougald, Gil
McDowell , Jack
McGowan , Bill
McGraw , Tug
McGriff, Fred
McGwire, Mark
McInnis , Stuffy
McLain , Denny
McLean , Larry
McMahon, Don
McManus , Marty
McMillan, Roy
McNally , Dave
McVey , Cal
Meadows , Lee
Messersmith , Andy
Meusel , Bob
Miksis , Eddie
Milan , Clyde
Millan , Felix
Miller , Bing
Miller , Dots
Miller , Hack
Mitchell , Kevin
Monday , Rick
Money , Don
Monroe , Bill
Montgomery , Jeff
Moon, Wally
Moore , Jo-Jo
Moore , Terry
Moran , Pat
Morris , Hal
Morris , Jack
Mostil , Johnny
Mota, Manny
Moyer, Jamie
Mulcahy , Hugh
Mullane , Tony
Mungo , Van
Munson , Thurman
Murcer , Bobby
Murphy , Dale
Murphy , Danny
Murray , Red
Myer , Buddy
Myers , Randy
Nehf , Art
Nettles , Graig
Newcombe , Don
Newsom , Bobo
Nicholson , Bill
Niekro , Joe
Northey , Ron
O'Doul , Lefty
Oeschger , Joe
O'Farrell , Bob
O'Leary , Charlie
Oliva, Tony
Oliver , Al
O'Neill , Paul
O'Neill , Steve
O'Neill , Tip
Orr , Dave
Pabor , Charlie
Pafko , Andy
Palmeiro , Rafael
Parker , Dave
Parrish , Lance
Parrish , Larry
Pascual, Camilo
Paskert , Dode
Pearson , Monte
Peckinpaugh , Roger
Peitz , Heinie
Pena , Tony
Pendleton , Terry
Pennock , Herb
Perdue , Hub
Perez , Tony
Perkins , Cy
Perranoski , Ron
Perry , Jim
Pesky , Johnny
Petrocelli, Rico
Phillippe , Deacon
Phillips , Tony
Pierce , Billy
Pike , Lip
Piniella, Lou
Pinson, Vada
Pipp , Wally
Podres, Johnny
Poles , Spotswood
Porterfield , Bob
Powell , Boog
Power , Vic
Pruett , Hub
Puckett , Kirby
Puhl , Terry
Quinn , Jack
Quisenberry , Dan
Randolph , Willie
Raschi , Vic
Raymond , Bugs
Reardon , Jeff
Redding , Dick
Reiser , Pete
Remsen , Jack
Remy , Jerry
Reynolds , Allie
Rice , Del
Rice , Jim
Rice , Sam
Richard, J R
Richardson , Bobby
Richardson , Hardy
Righetti , Dave
Rijo , Jose
Ring , Jimmy
Ritchey , Claude
Rivers , Mickey
Rixey , Eppa
Robertson , Dave
Roe , Preacher
Rolfe , Red
Rommel , Eddie
Root , Charlie
Rosen, Al
Rucker , Nap
Rudolph , Dick
Ruel , Muddy
Russell , Bill
Ryan , Jimmy
Saberhagen , Bret
Sain , Johnny
Samuel , Juan
Sanguillen , Manny
Sauer , Hank
Sax , Steve
Schacht , Al
Schaefer , Germany
Schalk , Ray
Schang , Wally
Schilling, Curt
Schoendienst , Red
Schreckengost , Ossie
Schulte , Frank
Scott , Everett
Scott , George
Scott , Jack
Scott , Mike
Selkirk , George
Severeid , Hank
Sewell , Joe
Sewell , Luke
Sewell , Rip
Seymour , Cy
Shantz, Bobby
Sherdel , Bill
Shocker , Urban
Short , Chris
Siebert , Sonny
Sievers , Roy
Simmons, Curt
Singleton , Ken
Sisti , Sibby
Smalley , Roy
Smith , Earl
Smith , Lee
Smith , Lonnie
Smith , Sherry
Sparks , Tully
Speier, Chris
Stahl , Jake
Stanky , Eddie
Stanley , Mickey
Staub , Rusty
Steinbach , Terry
Steinfeldt , Harry
Stephens , Vern
Stephenson , Riggs
Stewart , Dave
Stieb , Dave
Stottlemyre , Mel
Stottlemyre , Todd
Strawberry , Darryl
Street , Gabby
Suhr , Gus
Sukeforth , Clyde
Sundberg , Jim
Sutcliffe , Rick
Sutter , Bruce
Sweeney , Bill
Tannehill , Jesse
Tartabull , Danny
Taylor , Ben
Tebbetts , Birdie
Tekulve, Kent
Templeton , Garry
Tenace , Gene
Tenney , Fred
Thevenow , Tommy
Thomas , Ira
Thomson , Bobby
Thornton , Andre
Tiernan , Mike
Tinker , Joe
Tobin , Jim
Toney , Fred
Torgeson, Earl
Torrez , Mike
Travis, Cecil
Trout , Dizzy
Trucks , Virgil
Tudor , John
Turner , Terry
Uhle , George
Valentine , Ellis
Valenzuela , Fernando
Valo , Elmer
Van Haltren , George
Vander Meer , Johnny
Veach , Bobby
Vernon , Mickey
Viola , Frank
Walberg , Rube
Walker , Harry
Walker , Larry
Wallach , Tim
Walters , Bucky
Wambsganss , Bill
Waner , Lloyd
Warfield , Frank
Warneke , Lon
Watson , Bob
Weiss , Walt
Welch , Bob
Welch , Mickey
Wells , David
Werber , Billy
Wertz, Vic
West , Sam
Westrum , Wes
Wetteland , John
White , Sol
White , Will
White, Frank
Whitehill , Earl
Williams , Cy
Williams , Ken
Williamson , Ned
Willis , Vic
Wills, Maury
Wilson , Hack
Wilson , Jim
Wilson , Jimmie
Wilson , Willie
Witt , Whitey
Wood , Joe
Wood , Wilbur
Wright , Glenn
Wyatt , Whit
Yamamoto , Koji
Yeager , Steve
Yerkes , Steve
York , Rudy
Young , Pep
Youngs , Ross
Zachary , Tom
Zimmer , Chief


The complete list of eligible contributors:


Alou , Felipe
Ashford, Emmet
Autry, Gene
Bancroft , Frank
Barlick, Al
Berger , Sy
Bouton , Jim
Bowa , Larry
Brickhouse , Jack
Buck , Jack
Bulkely , Morgan
Busch , Augie
Cambria , Joe
Campbell , Jim
Canel, Buck
Caray , Skip
Caray, Harry
Carrigan, Bill
Chandler, Happy
Chylak , Nestor
Conlan , Jocko
Cooper , Andy
Cummings , Candy
Dark , Alvin
Davids , Bob
Dinneen , Bill
Doubleday , Abner
Doucet , Jacques
Dreyfuss , Barney
Dyer , Eddie
Dykes , Jimmy
Feller, Sherm
Fetzer, John
Flood , Curt
Foster , John B.
Fowler, Bud
Fregosi , Jim
Fullerton , Hugh
Gaston , Cito
Giles , Warren
Gillick , Pat
Gleason , Kid
Gonzalez , Mike
Gowdy , Curt
Grimm, Charlie
Haak , Howie
Haney , Fred
Harridge, Willie
Harris , Bucky
Harvey, Doug
Harwell, Ernie
Hemond , Roland
Heydler, John
Hillerich , John
Hodges, Gil
Hodges, Russ
Houk , Ralph
Howsam, Bob
Hubbard , Cal
Hutchinson , Fred
Jobe , Frank
Johnson, Davey
Kaat , Jim
Krichell, Paul
Kuenn , Harvey
Kuhn , Bowie
Lanier , Hal
Lanigan, Ernest
Lardner , Ring
Leavitt, Jr. , Charles W.
Luque , Dolf
MacPhail, Lee
Manley , Effa
Martin , Billy
Mauch , Gene
McCarthy , Tommy
McCarver, Tim
McGowan, Bill
Messersmith , Andy
Mills , A. G.
Mizuhara, Shigeru
Moran , Pat
Murnane, Tim
Murtaugh, Danny
Mutrie , Jim
Navin , Frank
Neft , David
Nelson , Lindsey
Norworth, Jack
O'Day, Hank
O'Doul, Lefty
O'Neill, Steve
Osborn , Frank
Palmer , Pete
Pasquel, Jorge
Patkin, Max
Pesky , Johnny
Piniella, Lou
Pompez , Alex
Pulliam, Harry
Ramirez, Felo
Reese , Jimmie
Rice, Grantland
Richards, Paul
Ritter , Lawrence
Robinson , Wilbert
Schoendienst, Red
Schuerholtz , John
Selig , Bud
Sewell , Luke
Sheppard, Bob
Smith, Red
Stallings , George
Steinbrenner, George
Street, Gabby
Tanner , Chuck
Thayer , Ernest
Tyson, Ty
Uecker , Bob
van der Ahe, Chris
Virdon, Bill
Warfield , Frank
Watson , Bob
Watson , Bob
Weyer , Lee
Wilson , Horace
Wrigley, Phil
Yawkey, Tom

[jalbright]

My ballot
Players
1. Greg Maddux
2. Larry Walker
3. Tom Glavine
4. Curt Schilling
5. Sal Bando
6. Hugh Duffy
7. Tony Mullane
8. Graig Nettles
9. Bobby Bonds
10. Willie Randolph
11. Bruce Sutter
12. Dan Quisenberry


Contributors
1. David Neft
2. Pat Gillick
3. Shigeru Mizuhara
4. John Scheurholtz
5. Alex Pompez

On the contributor side, Alex Pompez rejoins the ballot. I've taken four newcomers, all in the top four of my ballot: Greg Maddux, Larry Walker, Tom Glavine, and Curt Schilling in that order. I had to move Chino Smith and Darrell Evans off my ballot to make room for them.

My queue:
Players: Chino Smith, Darrell Evans, Yutaka Enatsu and Bus Clarkson
Contributors: Bucky Harris

[Domenic]

01. Greg Maddux
02. Curt Schilling
03. Tom Glavine
04. Larry Walker
05. Jake Beckley
06. Urban Shocker
07. Wally Berger
08. Sal Bando
09. Billy Pierce
10. Willie Randolph
11. Tony Mullane
12. Chino Smith

I'm not sure that I'm one-hundred percent comfortable with the rankings of the four newest candidates ... but I felt even less confident when I had them distributed throughout my ballot. I particularly struggled with Schilling and Glavine, as the two almost personify the quintessential debate between career and peak value. I would probably argue that Schilling has four of their five best seasons, were we to combine their resumes, and Schilling's postseason dominance makes his overall body of work a bit ... shinier or sexier, I suppose.

01. Frank Jobe
02. Lefty O'Doul
03. Pat Gillick
04. Shigeru Mizuhara
05. David Neft

[jjpm74]

I know that this is the last bi-weekly of this project. By going annual, will the next election be January 2012 or November 2012?

It's too bad Brock got in over Bando. I was hoping Bando would get in before this went annual. Maybe some day. I bumped Sutter and Pike from my ballot to make room for four strong newcomers.

Players:

1. Greg Maddux
2. Curt Schilling
3. Tom Glavine
4. Sal Bando
5. Kirby Puckett
6. Urban Shocker
7. Larry Walker
8. Thurman Munson
9. Kevin Brown
10. Hugh Duffy
11. Dale Murphy
12. Charley Jones

Contributors:

1. David Neft
2. Alex Pompez
3. Pat Gillick
4. Billy Martin
5. Lefty O'Doul

Contributor queue: Shigeru Mizuhara, Jocko Conlan, Cal Hubbard

Player queue: Bruce Sutter, Lip Pike, Wally Schang, Dave Cone, Jake Beckley, Hardy Richardson, Chino Smith

[jalbright]

I know that this is the last bi-weekly of this project. By going annual, will the next election be January 2012 or November 2012?

It will be November 2012, because by the rules, we need to know who might sit out a season to determine eligibility. For example, Jamie Moyer became eligible in 2011 by missing the entire season.

FWIW. I have an idea for another project that I'll be able to start once the 2012 VC results are known.

[Matthew C.]

01. Greg Maddux
02. Curt Schilling
03. Tom Glavine
04. Larry Walker
05. Jake Beckley
06. Urban Shocker
07. Wally Berger
08. Sal Bando
09. Billy Pierce
10. Willie Randolph
11. Tony Mullane
12. Chino Smith

I'm not sure that I'm one-hundred percent comfortable with the rankings of the four newest candidates ... but I felt even less confident when I had them distributed throughout my ballot. I particularly struggled with Schilling and Glavine, as the two almost personify the quintessential debate between career and peak value. I would probably argue that Schilling has four of their five best seasons, were we to combine their resumes, and Schilling's postseason dominance makes his overall body of work a bit ... shinier or sexier, I suppose.
t

If you consider pitcher offense and WPA "Clutch" (run distribution) then Glavine' peak isn't too far off. Using WAE as a peak measure, Schilling only leads Glavine 28 to 25 if you include their hitting. Schilling's postseason WPA is around 3 and Glavine's is around 2 - not a massive difference. Not that I am saying that I would put Glaven ahead - but it is pretty close.

So, I am not disagreeing really, just offering some data to go along with what you are saying.

Either way...

1. Greg Maddux
2. Curt Schilling
3. Tom Glavine
4. Larry Walker
5. Sal Bando
6. Jake Beckley
7. Rafael Palmerio
8. Kevin Brown
9. Thurman Munson
10. Brett Saberhagen
11. Billy Pierce
12. Graig Nettles

Contributers:

1.Pat Giljick
2.Billy Martin
3.John Scherholtz
4. Lefty O'Doul
5. David Neft

[jjpm74]

FWIW. I have an idea for another project that I'll be able to start once the 2012 VC results are known.

That's good to hear. The shadow hall projects are the primary reason I visit this site.

[Dogdaze]

Players:

1. Greg Maddux
2. Curt Schilling
3. Tom Glavine
4. Larry Walker
5. Luis Aparicio
6. Eppa Rixey
7. Wally Berger
8. Sal Bando
9. Bruce Sutter
10. Dan Quisenberry
11. Kirby Puckett
12. Ray Dandridge

Contributors:

1. David Neft
2. Shigeru Mizuhara
3. Alex Pompez
4. John Scheurholtz
5. Pat Gillick

[Domenic]

If you consider pitcher offense and WPA "Clutch" (run distribution) then Glavine' peak isn't too far off. Using WAE as a peak measure, Schilling only leads Glavine 28 to 25 if you include their hitting. Schilling's postseason WPA is around 3 and Glavine's is around 2 - not a massive difference. Not that I am saying that I would put Glaven ahead - but it is pretty close.

So, I am not disagreeing really, just offering some data to go along with what you are saying.

This is essentially the methodology I was using.

It's also worth noting that fWAR, which I tend to find a bit shaky in evaluating pitchers, gives Schilling an incredibly large advantage ... 86.1 to 68.5. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to use WAE as a measure based off of fWAR, but Schilling has a tremendous lead using that sort of quick and dirty analysis - 40 to 16.2, based upon my hasty cobbling together of the numbers.

[PVNICK]

1. Greg Maddux
2. Tom Glavine
3. Fred McGriff
4. Rafael Palmeiro
5. Curt Schilling
6. Larry Walker
7. Tommy Leach
8. Kevin Brown
9. Sal Bando
10. Tony Perez
11. Johnny Evers
12. Ray Dandridge

of this year: Darrell Evans

back soon: Vada Pinson

in the wings: Dave bancroft, Maranville, Puckett, Larry Doyle, Bob Elliott, Dale Murphy, Oliva, Shocker, Willis and Tommy John to name a few or make that a bunch.
took out Frank Howard and Orlando Cepeda far too late but better than never
1. Red Smith
2. Tommy McCarthy
3. Doug Harvey
4. Shigeru Mizuhara
5. Pat Gillick

[Matthew C.]

This is essentially the methodology I was using.

It's also worth noting that fWAR, which I tend to find a bit shaky in evaluating pitchers, gives Schilling an incredibly large advantage ... 86.1 to 68.5. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to use WAE as a measure based off of fWAR, but Schilling has a tremendous lead using that sort of quick and dirty analysis - 40 to 16.2, based upon my hasty cobbling together of the numbers.

Of course fWAR assumes zero ability in BABIP, controlling the running game, situational splits, LOB%, GIDPs, pitcher defense, and a several other things that Glavine was significantly better at than Schilling. Fangraphs is great for single seasons when the sample size for things like BABIP is too small to determine if talent is taking place, but for long careers, using fWAR over rWAR makes no sense at all.

My point was - I do not think that Glavine and Schilling are a great "peak vs. longevity" comparison. Glavine only played an extra year or two, and they had about the same number of rWAR. Despite Schilling great peak seasons, if you include offense, his top 5 and top 7 year peaks are only a few WAR more than Glavine's. Schilling was a horrific hitter and had the luxury of dodging potential negative batting WAR by playing all of those years in Boston as well. According to WPA - Glavine also produced about 6 more WAR via more advantageous runs allowed distribution.

I still have Schilling ahead a tad - but not much.

[jalbright]

As an addendum to the reason why we'll wait until the end of the 2012 season, Omar Vizquel would be eligible in 2012 if he didn't play all season.

[Captain Cold Nose]

1. Greg Maddux
2. Tom Glavine
3. Kirby Puckett
4. Albert Belle
5. Fred McGriff
6. Curt Scilling
7. Burleigh Grimes
8. Luis Aparicio
9. Lefty Gomez
10. Eppa Rixey
11. Rafael Palmeiro
12. Larry Walker


Contributors
1. Bucky Harris
2. Ernie Harwell
3. Doug Harvey
4. Red Smith
5. Pat Gillick

[J W]

Players

1. Greg Maddux
2. Tom Glavine
3. Larry Walker
4. Curt Schilling
5. Rafael Palmeiro
6. Eppa Rixey
7. Kevin Brown
8. Joe Sewell
9. Rollie Fingers
10. Luis Aparicio
11. Wally Berger
12. Billy Pierce

The backlog adds Puckett and Nettles for our last "historic" election. Ah well.

Contributors

1. John Schuerholz
2. Pat Gillick
3. Davey Johnson
4. Billy Martin
5. Doug Harvey

No change. Apologies to those contributors I wish I could have gotten to; namely: Sy Berger, Augie Busch, Jocko Conlan, Bob Howsam, Cal Hubbard, Tim Murnane, Lou Piniella, Grantland Rice, and Red Schoendienst.

[Jar of Flies]

Ballot 2011:
1 Greg Maddux
2 Curt Schilling
3 Kevin Brown
4 Larry Walker
5 Tom Glavine
6 Bret Saberhagen
7 Dick Lundy
8 Darrell Evans
9 Rafael Palmeiro
10 David Cone
11 Don Newcombe
12 Urban Shocker

Contributors:
1 Johnny Pesky
2 Pat Gillick
3 John Schierholtz
4 Shigeru Mizuhara
5 Doug Harvey

[jalbright]

We still have two voters from last election yet to vote this time, but as things stand, we'd be able to elect full slates on both ballots because the top three players and the top contributor at this moment are far enough ahead that they'd make it no matter what a tenth voter would do. Now, the results can be changed by two or more voters, but that isn't the standard for determining if an election meets the quorum requirement.

[joggerdru]

1 Greg Maddux
2 Tom Glavine
3 Curt Schilling
4 Fred McGriff
5 Eppa Rixey
6 Luis Aparicio
7 Sal Bando
8 Tony Mullane
9 Urban Schocker
10 Billy Pierce
11 Jake Beckley
12 Larry Waker

Contributors
1 David Neft
2 Pat Gillick
3 Billy Martin
4 Red Smith
5 Doug Harvey

[TheMendozaLine]

Players:

1. Greg Maddux
2. Tom Glavine
3. Larry Walker
4. Curt Schilling
5. Jake Beckley
6. Tony Mullane
7. Ray Dandridge
8. Luis Aparicio
9. Eppa Rixey
10. Billy Pierce
11. Rafael Palmeiro
12. Sam Rice

Contributors:

1. Harry Caray
2. David Neft
3. John Schuerholz
4. Bob Uecker
5. Shigeru Mizuhara

[jalbright]

The full complement of last election's voters has now voted. We could get new or rejoining voters before the deadline almost 9 1/2 days from when I write this, so we'll wait for that. I will be posting a preliminary list of eligibles (as noted earlier, we can't know if Vizquel will be eligible or not until he either plays next year (he wouldn't be eligible in that case) or misses the entire season (he would be eligible in that case). From what I've heard, it seems most likely he will not be on the ballot, but time will tell. Also, when we go annual, we will drop to electing two per year, so as not to outpace the historical average.

[jalbright]

Here are the preliminary player and contributor lists, though if any of the listed players were to play next year in the majors, they'd fall off the list. I'd say Vizquel is the only one likely to make this an issue, but you never know.



Abbott , Jim
Gonzalez, Luis
Grissom, Marquis
Hoffman, Trevor
Jefferies , Gregg
Linares , Omar
Lofton, Kenny
Smoltz, John
Vaughn, Mo
Ventura, Robin
Vizquel, Omar


The only contributor I have to add at present is Bob Boone

[J W]

Hmm... well, Smoltz will vie for top spot on my ballot. Hoffman will be listed fairly high, assuming three of the top four newcomers are elected this time around. Robin Ventura is an interesting name that should not be thrown aside... he's on par IMO with the holdovers we have at 3B. Kenny Lofton is someone who I never considered a HOFer, but there he sits at 65.3 WAR so he may garner some votes. Then there's Omar Vizquel, the latest in the line of small-bat, great-glove shortstops (see: Rabbit Maranville, Luis Aparicio, Ozzie Smith). A fairly deep class all things considered.

[jalbright]

While I don't support Ventura or Luis Gonzalez, they're hardly embarrassing choices. I wouldn't support Vizquel if his career ended now, which is the only way he'd be eligible next election. I'll support Smoltz, and probably Lofton. I'll have to think through Hoffman some more. Linares is an interesting case, but I probably won't have to think about it too much in 2012

[jalbright]

Last day for this election.

[jalbright]

We had 11 player and contributor ballots in our last election before November 2012. We inducted players Tom Glavine, Greg Maddux, and Curt Schilling and contributor Pat Gillick. Here are the official results, players first:


Players…………….. votes pts
Maddux, Greg 11 132
Glavine, Tom 11 113
Schilling, Curt 11 107
Walker, Larry 11 82
Bando, Sal 7 45
Palmiero, R 6 31
Brown, Kevin 5 30
Rixey, Eppa 5 29
Aparicio, Luis 5 28
McGriff, Fred 3 27
Beckley , Jake 4 25
Mullane , Tony 4 20
Puckett, Kirby 3 20
Shocker, Urban 4 19
Berger , Wally 3 14
Pierce, Billy 5 13
Duffy , Hugh 2 10
Saberhagen, B 2 10
Belle, Albert 1 9
Munson, Thurman 2 9
Dandridge, Ray 3 8
Grimes , B 1 6
Leach , Tommy 1 6
Lundy , Dick 1 6
Nettles, Graig 2 6
Randolph, W 2 6
Sutter, Bruce 2 6
Evans, Darrell 1 5
Sewell , Joe 1 5
Bonds, Bobby 1 4
Fingers, Rollie 1 4
Gomez, Lefty 1 4
Quisenberry, D 2 4
Cone, David 1 3
Perez, Tony 1 3
Evers, Johnny 1 2
Murphy, Dale 1 2
Newcombe, Don 1 2
Jones, Charley 1 1
Rice, Sam 1 1
Smith, Chino 1 1


Now the contributors:


Contributors………… votes pts
Gillick, Pat 10 30
Neft, David 7 28
Schuerhotlz, J 6 16
Mizuhara, S 6 14
Martin, Billy 4 11
Harvey, Doug 5 9
Smith, Red 3 9
Pompez, Alex 3 8
O'Doul, Lefty 3 7
Caray, Harry 1 5
Harris , Bucky 1 5
Jobe, Frank 1 5
Pesky, Johnny 1 5
Harwell, Ernie 1 4
McCarthy, Tommy 1 4
Johnson, Davey 1 3
Uecker, Bob 1 2

[J W]

Thanks Jim for an entertaining project - and thanks to the voters who helped us through the tough times on the Contributor ballot! I've learned a lot more about the non-players and I'm going to revamp my list when the 2012 BBF HOF ballot starts. Now, I guess this project goes annual too. Much like the BBF HOF is our answer to Cooperstown, this project is our answer to the Hall of Merit.

Edit - I already revamped my list last year. Duh.

[jalbright]

I've enjoyed the run. I'm glad you did as well.

[TheMendozaLine]

I would also like to chime in about how much I enjoyed these elections. I did a lot of research when I was choosing my players/contributors and learned a lot about people of whom I had not heard of before. Specifically, the Nippon players and contributors. As a newer member to these forums, I appreciate the chance to have my voice heard over the folks who I feel are deserving of a special place in our national past-time's history, whether it be home or abroad.

Thanks, Jim!

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'm kind of sad we've reached this point of the project. I've been in it from the start, and may have missed one election along the way. I've learned quite a bit in the process.

[PVNICK]

Thanks for the project.

[jjpm74]

This was one of the more fun projects I've participated in and I think we collectively put together a great HOF.:thumbsup:

[Jar of Flies]

A thanks to jalbright for re-igniting my interest in the Baseball-Fever website for his in-depth analysis of Japanese players, and to the electorate for worthy discussion board chatter. Please add Roger Clemens and George Steinbrenner to members section of the Best of Baseball.

I would like to ask a favor of the best of baseball voters. I recently joined the contributor ballot rankings and am trying to form a personal hall. Current, it consists of players enshrined from: The Cooperstown Hall of Fame, The Progressive Hall of Fame, the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame, and the Best of Baseball Hall of Fame. Any member who appeared in three or more of the halls or two of the Baseball-Fever halls was enshrined. This left me five slots shy of the total enshrined in the Best of Baseball Hall of Fame for what I considered to be primarily contributor enshrinees.

I have a subset of fifteen I was hoping everyone could rank in preference order - each of the fifteen has either been elected to two of the halls of fame or I have voted for them in this project:
Al Barlick
Buzzie Bavasi
Jocko Conlan
Al Munro Elias
Gus Greenlee
Vic Harris
Doug Harvey
Bill James
Shigeru Mizuhara
David Neft
Alex Pompez
John Schierholtz
Ben Shibe
Alfred Spink
George Steinbrenner

I have excluded contributors (John McGraw, George Wright, Al Spalding, etc.) who I deemed worthy of player selection.
The members of my tentative contributor hall of fame:
A. J. Reach
Al Lopez
Alexander Cartwright
Ban Johnson
Bill Klem
Bill McKechnie
Bill Veeck
Billy Evans
Billy Southworth
Bob Ferguson
Bobby Cox
Branch Rickey
Buck O’Neil
C. I. Taylor
Casey Stengel
Charles Comiskey
Charles Conlon
Connie Mack
Cum Posey
Dick Williams
Doc Adams
Earl Weaver
Ed Barrow
Ed Bolden
Ford Frick
Francis Richter
Frank Chance
Frank Selee
George Weiss
Harry Wright
Henry Chadwick
Iso Abe
J. L. Wilkinson
J.G. Taylor Spink
Jack Dunn
Jacob Ruppert
Jim Creighton
Joe McCarthy
Kazuto Tsuruoaka
Kenesaw Landis
Larry MacPhail
Leo Durocher
Marvin Miller
Matsutaro Shoriki
Mel Allen
Miller Huggins
Ned Hanlon
O. P. Caylor
Pat Gillick
Red Barber
Sol White
Sparky Anderson
Tetsuharu Kawakami
Tom Connolly
Tommy Lasorda
Tony LaRussa
Vin Scully
Walter Alston
Walter O'Malley
Whitey Herzog
William Hulbert

[jjpm74]

I don't know if you consider him a player or a contributor, but Dickey Pearce deserves to be somewhere. Out of the contributors you were unsure of, I would group them roughly like this, but don't feel comfortable doing a strict ranking:

Al Munro Elias
Bill James
David Neft
--------------------
Buzzie Bavasi
Gus Greenlee
Shigeru Mizuhara
George Steinbrenner
--------------------
Al Barlick
Jocko Conlan
Doug Harvey
Alfred Spink
----------------------
Vic Harris
Alex Pompez
John Schuerholtz
Ben Shibe

I would have to do more research on the bottom four to rank them.

[jalbright]

I'll start a few posts comparing Cooperstown to the results of this project.

First, we won't bother with the guys picked by both.

Next, we'll list the Japanese and Caribbean guys eligible for BOB that aren't for Cooperstown:


Iso Abe
Akira Bessho
Perucho Cepeda
Isao Harimoto
Kazuhisa Inao
Masaichi Kaneda
Tetsuharu Kawakami
Masaaki Koyama
Shigeo Nagashima
Katsuya Nomura
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Sadaharu Oh
Matsutaro Shoriki
Victor Starffin
Kazuto Tsuruoka


Then we'll list the press/writer types who can be in BOB but not Cooperstown:


Mel Allen
Red Barber
Charles Conlon
Al Munro Elias
Francis Richter
Vin Scully
Alfred Spink
J. G. T. Spink


We'll also note the guys who are ineligible for Cooperstown due to gambling issues:


Joe Jackson
Pete Rose


One last step before we go for a head to head comparison: listing the guys not yet eligible for the other project. Including Joe Torre on behalf of Cooperstown is a case of being nice.


Cooperstown
Roberto Alomar

Best of Baseball
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Bobby Cox
Tom Glavine
Randy Johnson
Tony LaRussa
Greg Maddux
Curt Schilling
Joe Torre

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The head to head comparison of contributors:


Cooperstown BOB
Al Barlick Doc Adams
Morgan Bulkeley Buzzue Bavasi
Happy Chandler Ed Bolden
Nestor Chylak O. P. Caylor
Jocko Conlan Jim Creighton
Candy Cummings Jack Dunn
Warren Giles Bob Ferguson
Will Harridge Gus Greenlee
Bucky Harris Vic Harris
Doug Harvey Marvin Miller
Cal Hubbard Buck O'Neill
Bowie Kuhn A. J. Reach
Lee MacPhail Jacob Ruppert
Effa Manley Ben Shibe
Bill McGowan C. I. Taylor
Alex Pompez
Wilbert Robinson
Tom Yawkey


I prefer the BOB list.

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Now for the most critical set of different picks, the players:


Cooperstown BOB
Luis Aparicio Dick Allen
Dave Bancroft Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley John Beckwith
Chief Bender Charlie Bennett
Jim Bottomley Ken Boyer
Orlando Cepeda Bob Caruthers
Jack Chesbro Cupid Childs
Earle Combs Will Clark
Andy Cooper Bill Dahlen
Kiki Cuyler Dwight Evans
Ray Dandridge Wes Ferrell
Leon Day Bill Freehan
Hugh Duffy Jack Glasscock
Johnny Evers George Gore
Rick Ferrell Bobby Grich
Rollie Fingers Heinie Groh
Lefty Gomez Stan Hack
Burleigh Grimes Keith Hernandez
Chick Hafey Paul Hines
Jesse Haines Grant "Home Run"Johnson
Harry Hooper Charlie Keller
Waite Hoyt Barry Larkin
Catfish Hunter Sherry Magee
Travis Jackson Minnie Minoso
Judy Johnson Dobie Moore
George Kell Alejandro Oms
High Pockets Kelly Dickey Pearce
Chuck Klein Tim Raines
Tony Lazzeri Rick Reuschel
Freddie Lindstrom Ron Santo
Ernie Lombardi Jimmy Sheckard
Heinie Manush Ted Simmons
Rabbit Maranville Reggie Smith
Rube Marquard Joe Start
Bill Mazeroski Harry Stovey
Tommy McCarthy Ezra Sutton
Herb Pennock Luis Tiant
Tony Perez Alan Trammell
Kirby Puckett Quincy Trouppe
Jim Rice Lou Whitaker
Sam Rice Deacon White
Eppa Rixey
Ray Schalk
Red Schoendienst
Joe Sewell
Bruce Sutter
Ben Taylor
Joe Tinker
Lloyd Waner
Mickey Welch
Vic Willis
Hack Wilson
Ross Youngs


I know I prefer the BOB group, especially supplemented by the Japanese players.