1901-1902 Offseason Thread

[rmadachik]

Here is a preliminary schedule for offseason activities. Subject to slight modification

Friday, July 13 (9PM EST): Updated Rosters Due
Friday, July 20th (9:01 PM EST): Rookie draft begins
Monday, July 30th (9 PM EST): Rookie draft ends
Friday, August 3rd (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
Sunday, August 5th (8PM EST): first bid list posted
Tuesday, August 7th (8PM EST) 2nd bid list posted
Wednesday, August 8th (7PM EST): first phase signings announced
Wednesday, August 8th (8PM EST): 500K bid phase begins
Friday, August 10th (8PM EST): second phase signings announced
Friday, August 10th (9 PM EST): 1M bid phase begins
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST): fourth phase signings anounced
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST):Blind bidding begins on remaining free agents via email
Monday, August 13th (9PM EST) Blind bidding closed - results posted by 10PM EST
Monday, August 13th (10PM EST): free signing period for any team under 30
Friday, August 17 (9PM EST): cut down deadline to 30 for any team over
Monday, August 20 (midnight EST): deadline for submitting Opening Day profile
Wednesday, August 22: Opening Day

[dust bunnies]

I will be gone July 16-July 18 and July 28-July 30. Jack

[Wade8813]

By "updated rosters" do you mean just a list of who's left after our Free Agents go away?

Also, I'm a little unsure about the FA bidding. How do the different phases work?

[rmadachik]

By "updated rosters" do you mean just a list of who's left after our Free Agents go away?

Also, I'm a little unsure about the FA bidding. How do the different phases work?


Yes - that's all players who are left after your free agents are gone away. As far as how the fee agent auction goes you should check out the free agent auction going on in ckl as we speak. It's just started so it's worth a peek

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?109672-1981-Free-Agent-Auction

[leecemark]

--Rich, our playoffs haven't even finished yet and we are in the middle of the CKL free agent auction. I haven't given any thought to 1902 yet and won't have much time for it til next week at least.
--I don't have a first round pick in 1902 so its not going to be that big a deal if I'm not prepared to start the draft next Monday, but most of our owners are also in the middle of the CKL offseason. It would be very helpfull to me - and probably others - if we could avoid overlapping the offseasons.

[Windy City Fan]

I second the idea of trying to avoid overlapping off seasons whenever possible. Also, I will be gone July 29 through August 3rd.

[dust bunnies]

I second the idea of trying to avoid overlapping off seasons whenever possible. Also, I will be gone July 29 through August 3rd.

I third it.

[Wade8813]

Well, since listing who's left on your team after FA's leave takes about 5 minutes, I think we can handle that. That said, I'm sure people may want more than 2 days to do research before the Rookie draft starts (although I would also like to point out that anyone could have been doing research throughout the regular season)

Also, looking at the other league just confused me. I don't know what these HTD bids are, or why there are a million separate posts about a single player.

[Sockeye]

I finished scouting the 1902 draft about a week into the 1901 season. So I'm ready for the offseason activities anytime but don't mind waiting if the others feel the need.

[Sockeye]

Well, since listing who's left on your team after FA's leave takes about 5 minutes, I think we can handle that. That said, I'm sure people may want more than 2 days to do research before the Rookie draft starts (although I would also like to point out that anyone could have been doing research throughout the regular season)

Also, looking at the other league just confused me. I don't know what these HTD bids are, or why there are a million separate posts about a single player.


HTD stands for "home town discount" and is for players that have remained with their original teams that drafted them when they reach free agency. Instead of just outbidding the players current team, a team must outbid the players old team by a 20% margin. Thus in other words it acts as the players giving their original team a "home town discount"

[Wade8813]

Oh yeah, that's right.

What about the different "bid phases"? Is that the minimum bid? There are obviously some that are much higher than that.

Also, are we allowed to have cash as part of transactions? I think we should. It makes it more realistic and gives us more options.

[Erik Bedard]

Each different post for a player is a bid on that player. It's an open auction, basically. Bid phases are the minimum overbid (like, if a player has a 4M bid in the 250K phase, it can be raised to 4.25, then 4.5, etc. whereas in the 500K phase it would be 4.5, 5.0, etc.)

[Wade8813]

Oh okay. But how do you know if a player is signed or goes to the next phase?

It seems like there would be a lot of accidental repeats of bids that way. Might it be easier if we put all of the bids we wanted to make at once in one post?

[Erik Bedard]

A player is signed once he has a bid at the end of a stage (initial, 250K, 500K, or 1M) and there are no bids on him in the next stage (250K, 500K, 1M, final). If they get any bids in a stage they move on to the next stage.

[Wade8813]

But how can the first phase signings be announced if we don't know whether or not they'll get bids in the 2nd phase? The OP says


Friday, August 3rd (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
Monday, August 6th (8PM EST): first bid list posted
Tuesday, August 7th (8PM EST): first phase signings announced

So somehow you know that some players are signed before they have a chance to be bid up in the 2nd phase? Also, why would anyone wait for the later phases to bid on someone? Is it just because they ran out of time in the earlier phases?

[rmadachik]

I will post an updated schedule for offseason activities.

Dan - As runner up you will be responsible for doing the drawing for the draft lottery. Here is the breakdown:

Anaheim - 10 Tickets
Kalamazoo - 7 Tickets
Cleveland - 5 Tickets
Tennessee - 2 Tickets

this will be for slots 1-4 . . . .picks 5-12 will be:

5. Asylum
6. New Orleans
7. Detroit
8. Jamestown
9. Lighthouse Point
10. Laquey
11. Richmond
12. Seattle



You can post the results yourself if you want on this thread. - And Congrats to both league champions on a great first season. Two class owners who put together fine seasons.

[Erik Bedard]

But how can the first phase signings be announced if we don't know whether or not they'll get bids in the 2nd phase? The OP says



So somehow you know that some players are signed before they have a chance to be bid up in the 2nd phase? Also, why would anyone wait for the later phases to bid on someone? Is it just because they ran out of time in the earlier phases?

The way it's listed is a bit unclear. I think Monday is the end of the initial bid phase, and Tuesday is the end of the first overbid (second overall) phase, where the minimum overbid is 250K.

I'll have the lottery up in a bit.

[Erik Bedard]

Anaheim
Kalamazoo
Cleveland
Tennessee

nothing exciting here, as everyone maintains the same slot.

[Wade8813]

Now that we know the draft order, would it be alright if people started picking if they want? The clock wouldn't start yet, but I'm in favor of anything that moves this along a little faster (plus, if you know who's already taken, that's players you don't have to research)

[Sockeye]

I'm prepared to make the first pick but I assume there will be a draft thread started so I should hold off until it is setup.

[Sockeye]

SP: Rube Waddell, 15.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905 (RFA)
SP: Joe McGinnity, 10.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Bill Dinneen, 8.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Tully Sparks, 7.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 6 years, exp 1906
SP: Bill Bernhard, 6.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Kid Nichols, 5.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SP: Bob Wicker, 4.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905
SP: Jack Sutthoff, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
SP: Ed Poole, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
RF: Ducky Holmes, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
LF: Lefty Davis, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
1B: John Ganzel, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
SS: Dave Brain, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
C: Jack Warner, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
C: Chief Zimmer, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
1B: Charlie Carr, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
SS: Herman Long, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
C: Jack O'Connor, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
C: Fritz Buelow, 0.50 Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903

19 Players = 68.75M

FREE AGENTS

C: Al Shaw, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
SS: Frank Scheibeck, 0.50 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
2B: Bill Fox, 0.50 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
2B: Ray Nelson, 0.50 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
CF: Ed Bruyette, 0.25 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
3B: Charlie Buelow, 0.25 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
CF: Charlie Jones, 0.25 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
3B: Chink Heileman, 0.25 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
RF: Farmer Steelman, 0.25 Contract, 1901 draft, 1 year, exp 1901
RF: Bob Lindemann, 0.25 Contract, 1901 FA, 1 year, exp 1901

[BigRon]

Now that we know the draft order, would it be alright if people started picking if they want? The clock wouldn't start yet, but I'm in favor of anything that moves this along a little faster (plus, if you know who's already taken, that's players you don't have to research)

I guess I'm not opposed to others picking if they want- assuming Rich says it's okay- but, to be clear, I'm not ready to do anything in the next X days, so things probably will stop when my turn pops up.

[leecemark]

Seattle Dragons

1) RF Sam Crawford (1901-08) 15.0
2) 3B Jimmy Collins (1901-05) 10.0, player-manager
3) SP Jesse Tannehill (1901-05) 8.0
4) 2B Jimmy Williams (1901-06) 7.0
5) SS Kid Elberfeld (1901-06) 6.0
6) SP Ned Garvin (1901-1904) 6.0
7) SP Ed Siever (1901-1903) 5.0
8) SP Clark Griffith (1901-1905) 4.0
9) LF John Anderson (1901-1905) 4.0
10) CF Dummy Hoy (1901-1902) 3.0
11) OF Duff Cooley (1901-1905) 2.0
12) SP Jock Menefee (1901-1903) 2.0
13) IF John McGraw (1901-1902) 2.0
14) C Duke Farrell (1901-1903) 2.0
15) 1B Candy LaChance (1901-1904) 1.0
16) Wil Robinson (1901-1902) 1.0
17) 2B Shad Barry (1901-1903) 1.0
18) Brickyard Kennedy (1901-1903) .75
19) Mal Kittridge (1901-1902) .75
20) Stan Yerkes (1901-1902) .75
21) Pat Carny (1901-1902) .75
22) Harry Gleason (1901-1902) .50
23) Germany Schaeffer (1901-1902) .50
24) Aleck Smith (1901-1903) .50

24 players for 83.25 M

Free Agents
George Bone
Dick Braggins
Harry Croft
Willie Wills
Jake Livingston
:arry Hesterfer

--This part was easy. Just 6 bench guys whose contracts expired after 1901. Mostly the same crew will be back to defend our title.

[Wade8813]

Laquey Sharks


Cy Young 1901-1908 15 million
Fielder Jones 01-08 10 million
Freddy Parent 01-06 8 million
Ginger Beaumont 01-06 7 million
Wid Conroy 01-06 6 million
Togie Pittinger 01-05 5 million
Emmet Hendrick 01-04 4 million
Jim Hughes 01-02 2 million
Kitty Bransfield 01-02 2 million
Otto Krueger 01-03 2 million
Charlie Irwin 01-02 1 million
Frank Morrissey 01-02 1 million
Art Nichols 01-02 750k


$63.75 spent

Players lost to Free Agency/Retirement
Fred Hartman
Joe Yeager
Bill Maloney
Sport McAllister
Roger Denzer
Pete Childs
Jack Hayden
Billy Clingman
Ed High
Charlie Case
Danny Shay
Frank Cross
Jim McGuire
Jim Miller
Charlie Ferguson
Russ Hall
Kid Carsey

[Wade8813]

I'm prepared to make the first pick but I assume there will be a draft thread started so I should hold off until it is setup. It probably wouldn't be a problem if you or anyone else started it.


I guess I'm not opposed to others picking if they want- assuming Rich says it's okay- but, to be clear, I'm not ready to do anything in the next X days, so things probably will stop when my turn pops up. Yeah, that's what I proposed. Although by the time your pick rolls around, there's a decent chance you'll have been able to figure out who your first pick will be. BB-Ref has a "New Debuts" feature, and sortable stat filters.


Seattle Dragons

--This part was easy. Just 6 bench guys whose contracts expired after 1901. Mostly the same crew will be back to defend our title.

Haha, I'm pretty sure we're all going to have mostly the same players coming back (I'm technically losing over half my roster, but the majority of them saw minimal playing time).

[jaybird_1981]

Tennessee Pioneers Roster

SP-Jack Chesbro (10.0) Drafted 1901, RFA after 1905
SP-George Winter (4.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
SP-Ed Doheny (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
SP-Win Kellum (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
C-Mike Grady (3.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
C-Hughie Hearne (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
C-Billy Sullivan (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1902
1B-Dan McGann (5.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
2B-Dick Padden (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
2B-Billy Gilbert (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
3B-Bill Bradley (8.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
3B-Jimmy Burke (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
SS-Tommy Corcoran (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
CF-Harry Bay (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
RF-Elmer Flick (15.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1907
RF-Socks Seybold (7.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1906
RF-Willie Keeler (6.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1906

Total Salary=69.25M, 17 Players under contract

Players Released
SP-Ted Lewis (2.0) Drafted 1901, Retires after 1901
SP-Bill Carrick (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SP-Bob Lawson (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SP-Emil Frisk (.50) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SP-Crazy Schmit (.50) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SP-George Prentiss (.50) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SP-Frank Dupee (.25) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
1B-Bill Everitt (.50) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
1B-Larry McLean (.25) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
2B-Truck Eagen (.25) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
SS-Harry Lochhead (.25) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
LF-Charlie Luskey (.25) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901
CF-Hugh Duffy (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1901

[scubadan]

But how can the first phase signings be announced if we don't know whether or not they'll get bids in the 2nd phase? The OP says



So somehow you know that some players are signed before they have a chance to be bid up in the 2nd phase? Also, why would anyone wait for the later phases to bid on someone? Is it just because they ran out of time in the earlier phases?

Basically, you can bid on any player (in 250k increments) from 9 pm Friday until 8 pm Monday. So if you bid 250k on Player A, I can bid 500k (or 750k, or 1M. etc) on the player. If you get outbid, you can put another bid in on the player until 8 pm Monday. After 8 pm Monday, high bids on all players are listed. The 250k phase goes from Monday at 9 pm until Tuesday at 8 pm. All bids are raised in 250k increments. Any player not receiving a new bid in this phase is signed by the high bidder from previous period. Any player receiving a higher bid during this period (whether it is one higher bid or 100 higher bids) automatically moves into the 500k phase which goes from 9 pm Tuesday until 8 pm Wednesday. Again, if the player receives no new bids during this phase, he is signed by the previous phase high bidder. If the player does receive a higher bid, they move into the 1M phase. Any player getting a higher bid in the 1M phase, then moves into the live phase of the auction on Friday night.

[Wade8813]

Thanks.

So there are two 250k phases - the initial bid phase and the 250k phase?

[scubadan]

Thanks.

So there are two 250k phases - the initial bid phase and the 250k phase?

Yes, that is correct.

[rmadachik]

Spiders Roster for 1902
POS Name From Thru Salary RFA
SP Christy Matthewson 1901 1905 $15,000,000 Y
INF Charlie Hickman 1901 1906 $8,000,000
1B Joe Kelley 1901 1904 $7,000,000
SP Earl Moore 1901 1904 $7,000,000
SP Dummy Taylor 1901 1906 $6,000,000
INF Dave Fultz 1901 1905 $5,000,000
C Ossee Schrecongest 1901 1905 $4,000,000
SP Jack Cronin 1901 1904 $2,000,000
INF John Farrell 1901 1904 $2,000,000
OF George Brown 1901 1904 $2,000,000
OF Cozy Dolan 1901 1904 $2,000,000
C Joe Sugden 1901 1904 $1,000,000
C Frank Bowerman 1901 1904 $1,000,000
SP Fred Mitchell 1901 1902 $1,000,000
OF Dick Harley 1901 1902 $1,000,000
C Klondike Douglass 1901 1903 $1,000,000
C Mike Kahoe 1901 1902 $500,000

17 $65,500,000

Free Agents
1B George Rohe
SP Bill Cristall
3B Larry Hoffman
SP Dick Scott
OF Bill Gannon
SP Bock Baker
1B Slats Jordan
SP Harry Felix
OF Ben Harrison
C John Skopec
OF Algie McBride
OF Tommy Dowd
3B Fred Raymer

[scubadan]

Detroit Tigers 1902 Pre-Season

Pos Name Acquired Salary Begin End
C Bill Bergen Draft $750,000 1901 - 1903
C Frank Chance Draft $10,000,000 1901 - 1906
C Joe Wall Draft $250,000 1901 - 1902 Contract expired in 1901
1B Deacon McGuire Draft $2,000,000 1901 - 1904
2B Claude Ritchey Draft $6,000,000 1901 - 1906
2B Bert Conn Draft $250,000 1901 - 1902 Contract expired in 1901
3B Lave Cross Draft $5,000,000 1901 - 1904
SS Bill Friel Draft $1,000,000 1901 - 1903
SS Bill Dahlen Draft $8,000,000 1901 - 1905
SS John Gochnauer Draft $500,000 1901 - 1903
OF Fred Clarke Draft $15,000,000 1901 - 1908
OF Jimmy Slagle Draft $4,000,000 1901 - 1904
OF Kip Selbach Draft $3,000,000 1901 - 1904
OF Geo Van Haltren Draft $2,000,000 1901 - 1902
OF Steve Brodie Draft $1,000,000 1901 - 1902 -
P D Phillippe Draft $10,000,000 1901 - 1907
P Harry Howell Draft $4,000,000 1901 - 1905
P Bill Duggleby Draft $3,000,000 1901 - 1905
P Chick Fraser Draft $2,000,000 1901 - 1905
P Ed Murphy Draft $1,000,000 1901 - 1903
P Happy Townsend Draft $1,000,000 1901 - 1904
P Bill Magee Draft $750,000 1901 - 1902
P Gene McCann Draft $750,000 1901 - 1902

Players 21 $80,000,000

[BigRon]

LIGHTHOUSE POINT BUMS

1902 ROSTER TO DATE

1. Eddie Plank P 8 years $15.0 last 08
2. Bobby Wallace SS 6 years $10.0 last 06
3. Ed Delahanty LF/1B 3 years $8.0 last 03
4. Jim Powell P 6 years $7.0 last 06
5. Sam Mertes- OF/2B 5 years $6.0 last 05
6. Jimmy Barrett CF 4 years $6.0 last 04
7. Willie Sudhoff P 3 years $5.0 last 03
8. Jimmy Callahan P/3B 5 years $4.0 last 05
9. Bill Coughlin 3B 5 years $4.0 last 05
10. Hobe Ferris 2B 4 years $3.0 last 04
12. Ollie Pickering CF 4 years $2.0 last 04
13. Win Mercer P 2 years $2.0 last 02
14. Ed McFarland C 4 years $2.0 last 04
15. Lou Criger C 4 years $1.0 last 04
16. Frank Isbell 1B/2B/3B 3 years $1.0 last 03
17. Bones Ely SS 2 years $1.0 last 02
18. Jim Jackson CF 2 years $.75 last 02
23. Jack Ryan C 3 years $.5 last 03

18 players $78.25 million

RELEASED/RETIRED

11. Jack Katoll P 1 year $2.0 last 01
19. J. Dolan 2B 1 year $.75 last 01
20. Bill Hart P 1 year $.75 last 01
21. Davey Crockett 1B 1 year $.75 last 01
22. Cowboy Jones P 1 year $.5 last 01
24. Billy Milligan P 1 year $.5 last 01
25. Pete O'Brien 3B 1 year $.25 last 01
26. Gus Weyhing P 1 year $.25 last 01
27. Jerry Hurley C 1 year $.25 last 01
28. Jake Volz P 1 year $.25 last 01
29. John Hinton 3B 1 year $.25 last 01
30. Lou Gertenrich OF 1 year $.25 last 01

[rmadachik]

Here is what I have for team rosters. Please let me know if I am missing anyone. Players who are under contract but who dod not play in 1902 will not be listed.

Also, I just realized that similar to how the fielding ratings for 1902 were all set to average initially, so are the base running ratings. I am open to ideas on how to handle this because I sure don't want every player rated average at base stealing.

[dust bunnies]

Kalamazoo Kumquat Keepers for 1902

Cy Seymour FA 01-05 $8.00
Mike Donlin FA 01-05 $7.00
Jake Buckley FA 01-04 $6.00
Harry Steinfeldt FA 01-03 $5.00
Pat Moran FA 01-03 $3.00
Charlie Dexter FA 01-03 $2.00
Kid Gleason FA 01-04 $2.00
Monte Cross FA 01-03 $1.00
Jack Doyle FA 01-03 $1.00
Fred Jacklitsch FA 01-03 $1.00
Jack O'Brien FA 01-03 $1.00
Bobby Lowe FA 01-03 $0.75
Billy Lauder FA 01-03 $0.75
Jim Jones FA 01-02 $0.50
Sam Leever FA 01-08 $15.00
Doc White FA 01-08 $10.00
Casey Patten FA 01-05 $2.00
Mal Eason FA 01-03 $1.00
Bill Phillips FA 01-03 $2.00
Gene Wright FA 01-03 $0.50
Crese Heismann FA 01-02 $0.50

21 $70.00

Free Agents

Frank Murphy
Emil Haberer
George McBride
Frank Genins
Fed Brown
Terry Turner
Frank Foreman
Bill Phyle
Amos Rusie

[Erik Bedard]

POSITION SIGNED EXPIRES SALARY

CATCHER
Roger Bresnahan 1901 1908 $15,000,000
Jack Slattery 1901 1903 $250,000
FIRST BASE
Buck Freeman 1901 1904 $7,000,000
SECOND BASE
Danny Murphy 1901 1905 $3,000,000
Tom Daly 1901 1903 $2,000,000
Jack Dunn 1901 1903 $750,000
THIRD BASE
G.DeMontreville 1901 1902 $1,000,000
Jim Delahanty 1901 1904 $1,000,000
SHORTSTOP
George Magoon 1901 1903 $2,000,000
LEFT FIELD
Topsy Hartsel 1901 1908 $10,000,000
CENTER FIELD
Chick Stahl 1901 1905 $5,000,000
RIGHT FIELD
Jesse Burkett 1901 1905 $8,000,000
STARTERS
Albert Orth 1901 1906 $6,000,000
Frank Owen 1901 1905 $4,000,000
Jack Harper 1901 1904 $2,000,000
Doc Newton 1901 1902 $2,000,000
RELIEVERS


16 players, $69M

expirations/retirements:

Pop Schriver
Mike Heydon
John Butler
Bill Richardson
Frank Shugart
Lew Carr
Fred Crolius
Pop Foster
Pete Dowling
Roscoe Miller
Dale Gear
Ed Scott
Dummy Leitner
Ted Breitenstein

[catcher24]

I guess I'm not opposed to others picking if they want- assuming Rich says it's okay- but, to be clear, I'm not ready to do anything in the next X days, so things probably will stop when my turn pops up.

It'll stop before that Ron, because I'm not ready at all either and it will stop with me.

[rmadachik]

Gentlemen - The draft clock will not begin til the 20th so there is plenty of time

[catcher24]

Here is what I have for team rosters. Please let me know if I am missing anyone. Players who are under contract but who dod not play in 1902 will not be listed.

Also, I just realized that similar to how the fielding ratings for 1902 were all set to average initially, so are the base running ratings. I am open to ideas on how to handle this because I sure don't want every player rated average at base stealing.

And I noticed while working on my roster that all pitchers are rated "AV" for both starter and relief. Sort of ridiculous when you have Vic Willis starting 46 games and completing 45 of them. I think we should try to figure something out with that as well. Perhaps if a guy completed 95%+ of his starts, he's EX; 90-94%, VG; 85-89% AV, etc. Although maybe whoever made this homebrew season figured that since most guys completed a large percentage of their games, even guys like Willis were average. But that penalizes guys like Willis when compared to others that didn't complete as high a percentage. I could have done it when I was doing the fielding, but didn't notice it then, and don't really have the time now.

[catcher24]

Learned a valuable lesson last year, at least for these early years. Anyone who has a decent amount of PAs/BFs is worth keeping another year. The Express need to replace over half of their roster, 17 players. I won't make that mistake again in the future.

Free Agents
Pop Dillon
Jiggs Donahue
Phil Geier
Zaza Harvey
Tom McCreery
John McPherson
Harry Smith
Archie Stimmel
George Yeager

Retired
Curt Bernard
Whitey Guese
Bill Hoffer
Bill Karns
Fred Ketcham
Jerry Nops
Elmer Smith
Judd Smith


EXPRESS ROSTER

Catchers:
Bob Wood 2M Draft Two years 1901-1902

Infielders:
Erve Beck 1M Draft Two years 1901-1902
Bill Keister 5M Draft Three years 1901-1903
Honus Wagner 15M Draft Eight years 1901-1908
Harry Wolverton 2M Draft Four years 1901-1904

Outfielders:
Patsy Donovan 3M Draft Three years 1901-1903
Danny Green 6M Draft Four years 1901-1904
Jack McCarthy 1M Draft Two years 1901-1902
Jimmy Sheckard 10M Draft Five years 1901-1905 RFA eligible

Pitchers
Red Donahue 7M Draft Three years 1901-1903
Tom Hughes 2M Draft Five years 1901-1905
Roy Patterson 4M Draft Five years 1901-1905
Vic Willis 8M Draft Six years 1901-1906

TOTAL SALARY: 66.0M FOR 13 PLAYERS

[rmadachik]

And I noticed while working on my roster that all pitchers are rated "AV" for both starter and relief. Sort of ridiculous when you have Vic Willis starting 46 games and completing 45 of them. I think we should try to figure something out with that as well. Perhaps if a guy completed 95%+ of his starts, he's EX; 90-94%, VG; 85-89% AV, etc. Although maybe whoever made this homebrew season figured that since most guys completed a large percentage of their games, even guys like Willis were average. But that penalizes guys like Willis when compared to others that didn't complete as high a percentage. I could have done it when I was doing the fielding, but didn't notice it then, and don't really have the time now.

I am in the process of working on baserunning ratings - pitcher ratings will be after that but yes, I became aware of that issue last week. Making those adjustments will take a little time though (I am about halfway done with the baserunning edits as I type this - All players were rated av/av/av)

[BigRon]

Learned a valuable lesson last year, at least for these early years. Anyone who has a decent amount of PAs/BFs is worth keeping another year. The Express need to replace over half of their roster, 17 players. I won't make that mistake again in the future.

Yeah, I figured that out, too. I wish I had signed at least 2 more guys up for multiple seasons when I had the chance. I still control 18, but 20 would have been much better- especially since they actually had some value in the coming season.

[rmadachik]

Joel - The Sharks will need to announce a stadium move since Lloyd Street Grounds no longer hosted a MLB team in 1902. If you need a list of available stadiums i can get that for you.

[rmadachik]

Here is an updated schedule of offseason events. Some times are subject to change but I think dates look good.

Friday, July 13 (9PM EST): Updated Rosters Due
Friday, July 20th (9:01 PM EST): Rookie draft begins
Monday, July 30th (9 PM EST): Rookie draft ends
Friday, August 3rd (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
Sunday, August 5th (11PM EST): first bid list posted
Monday, August 6th (11PM EST) 2nd bid list posted
Tuesday, August 7th (11PM EST): first phase signings announced
Tuesday,August 7th (11PM EST): 500K bid phase begins
Thursday, August 9th (11 PM EST): second phase signings announced
Thursday, August 9th (11PM EST): 1M bid phase begins
Friday, August 10th (8PM EST): fourth phase signings anounced
Friday, August 10th (9PM EST):Blind bidding begins on remaining free agents via email
Sunday, August 12th (9AM EST) Blind bidding closed - results posted
Sunday, August 12th (10AM EST): free signing period for any team under 40
Wednesday, August 15 (9PM EST): cut down deadline to 40 for any team over
Sunday, August 19 (midnight EST): deadline for submitting Opening Day profile
Monday, August 20: Opening Day

[Windy City Fan]

New Orleans Barons
SP Noodles Hahn (FA 01 to 04, 15.0 Million)
SP Jack Taylor (FA 01 to 06, 7.0 Million)
SP Frank Kitson (FA 01 to 03, 3.0 Million)
SP Watty Lee (FA 01 to03, 2.0 Million)
C Johnny Kling (FA 01 to 06, 6.0 Million)
1B Fred Tenney (FA 01 to 03, 5.0 Million)
2B Heinie Peitz (FA 01 to 03, 4.0 Million)
SS George Davis (FA 01 to 06, 10.0 Million)
3B Tommy Leach (FA 01 to 03, 8.0 Million)
LF John Dobbs (FA 01 to 02, 2.0 Million)
IF Hughie Jennings (FA 01 to 02, 1.0 Million)
IF Heinie Smith (FA 01 to 03, 500K)
OF Davy Jones (FA 01 to 04, 2.0 Million)
OF Billy Lush (FA 01 to 04, 2.0 Million)

67.5M for 14 players

Free Agents
RP Pink Hawley
RP Jack Bracken
RP Dummy Deegan
RP Barney McFadden
CF Billy Hamilton
RF Irv Walden
DH Kid Nance
IF Cupid Childs
IF Frank Gatins
OF Matty McIntyre
OF Joe Rickert
P Bert Cunningham
OF Ike VanZandt
P Al Maul
1B Tim Jordan
C Tom Leahy

[rmadachik]

Here are 1902 fielding ratings for all players

[rmadachik]

The Spiders announce that Charlie Hickman is officialy on the trading block. We are looking for at least a future 1st rounder for his services.

[rmadachik]

for those who inquired - Hickman is making 8M and is signed through 1906

[jaybird_1981]

Could we get an updated league file with the rookies that have been picked removed. I would like to start scouting FA a little closer now.

[catcher24]

Rich, I know some adjustments were made because of the shorter schedule and smaller rosters used prior to 1904. As I recall, we adjusted the maximum playing time to 130% (from 120% in the bylaws); reduced season starting roster size to 30 (from 35); and said that we could use guys with fewer PAs and BFs than stated in the bylaws. Unfortunately I don't remember what levels we set it at. Was it 75PA/BF to be on the regular roster and 40 PA/BF to be September callup, with less than 40 being used only for someone going on the DL, or were the numbers different? Also, is there any adjustment I missed?

Now the biggie. The bylaws call for a 150 game schedule. We played 156 games last season, with six games against each team in the other league. So will the bylaws be changed, or will the schedule be changed? I was under the impression that we weren't going to have inter league play prior to the season last year and didn't realize that there had even been inter league play until I looked again at last season's reports (guess I wasn't paying very close attention). The inter league play resulted in the 156 game season, and I'm perfectly fine with that, but just wondering if that's the way it will be. If so I suggest the bylaws be amended to note a 156 game schedule with inter league play. Not trying to be a pain in your a@@ here, just want to be sure of what will happen every year.

Also, before the season starts you might want to change the start and end dates on your master schedule. I noticed that all of the games we played in 1901 had box score dates of 2012. That can be changed in the Organizer before the season starts, but once the season begins the dates get locked in. Interestingly, the start date for games in the 1902 schedule is 9/8/2081 with the season ending on 3/11/2082!:eek2:

[rmadachik]

Rich, I know some adjustments were made because of the shorter schedule and smaller rosters used prior to 1904. As I recall, we adjusted the maximum playing time to 130% (from 120% in the bylaws); reduced season starting roster size to 30 (from 35); and said that we could use guys with fewer PAs and BFs than stated in the bylaws. Unfortunately I don't remember what levels we set it at. Was it 75PA/BF to be on the regular roster and 40 PA/BF to be September callup, with less than 40 being used only for someone going on the DL, or were the numbers different? Also, is there any adjustment I missed?

Now the biggie. The bylaws call for a 150 game schedule. We played 156 games last season, with six games against each team in the other league. So will the bylaws be changed, or will the schedule be changed? I was under the impression that we weren't going to have inter league play prior to the season last year and didn't realize that there had even been inter league play until I looked again at last season's reports (guess I wasn't paying very close attention). The inter league play resulted in the 156 game season, and I'm perfectly fine with that, but just wondering if that's the way it will be. If so I suggest the bylaws be amended to note a 156 game schedule with inter league play. Not trying to be a pain in your a@@ here, just want to be sure of what will happen every year.

Also, before the season starts you might want to change the start and end dates on your master schedule. I noticed that all of the games we played in 1901 had box score dates of 2012. That can be changed in the Organizer before the season starts, but once the season begins the dates get locked in. Interestingly, the start date for games in the 1902 schedule is 9/8/2081 with the season ending on 3/11/2082!:eek2:

We decided that we will have all 30 players active but players with less than 100 pa's or BF'd cannot be put in a teams starting lineup or pitching chart. That way they could still be used during a sim if the computer manager inserts them as a defensive replacement. Players with over 50 pa's or bf'd can be used as defensive replacements in cases of injury - in those circumstances they can be put in a teams lineup

I will adjust the bylaws to reflet a 156 game season from this point on. Interleague play was always the intention so it will remain as wel.

Thanks for the info about the year - I hadn't noticed that. looks like I will need to re-do the schedule in order to fix that.

[rmadachik]

Joel - You still need to select a stadium to play in. I have attached a file here that has the park factors of the available stadiums for the next 4 years. The league website has the file for all historical park data

[Wade8813]

Thanks. I did a bit of looking into this already. I've just been busy since I just got home from Kuwait (with a stop in Texas), so I'm catching up on a lot of stuff. Plus my laptop seems to have been infected with malware...
I should have a decision soon.

[Windy City Fan]

I will be gone until Thursday on vacation with no access. Fortunately it appears this week will be a slow one, so I won't miss anything.

[catcher24]

Rich - Any possibility you could "sticky" the rules thread to the top of the forum? No biggie, because it's pretty easy to find all the way at the end too, but it would be more convenient to have it at the top. Thanks!

[Wade8813]

If a player isn't bid on at all in the first rounds, can he still later be bid on if a team realizes they want him?

[Sockeye]

If a player isn't bid on at all in the first rounds, can he still later be bid on if a team realizes they want him?

Yes, absolutely!

[catcher24]

Actually, some of the guys have used that as a strategy over the years for low value guys that could be useful. If you see a low value - but potentially useful - player who receives no bids in the 250K round, then consider bidding on him in the 500K or 1M rounds. At 250K someone might say "Yeah, maybe I should bump that, this guy could be useful". At a 500K bump and especially 1M, they would be much less likely to do that. This presumes that Rich is permitting first time bids to still come into the 500K and 1M rounds at a 250K initial bid, as in the CKL. Or maybe Rich will make the initial bid equal to whatever round it is (that is, 500K or 1M in those rounds respectively). I thought that should be done in the CKL but was out voted.

[leecemark]

--i don't think you should have to pay a million dollars for a plan b - or c - guy who nobody thought was worth minimum wage over the first few days of the auction, but i'm fine with whatever direction Rich wants to go. clarification before we get started would be good for anything that is going to be different than the CKL model would be helpful tho.

[rmadachik]

The bidding will be the same process as in CKL . . . the initial bid may be at any price - only the increases are dependant on the round.

[rmadachik]

Gentlemen - I have completed the offensive stats records for each team page on our website.

[jaybird_1981]

Gentlemen - I have completed the offensive stats records for each team page on our website.

Looks great but my RBI & SO leaders were incorrect it should be 99 RBIs for Seybold and 83 SOs for Bradley. Thanks!

[rmadachik]

Looks great but my RBI & SO leaders were incorrect it should be 99 RBIs for Seybold and 83 SOs for Bradley. Thanks!

Got it fixed - thanks

[rmadachik]

Looks great but my RBI & SO leaders were incorrect it should be 99 RBIs for Seybold and 83 SOs for Bradley. Thanks!

Got it fixed - thanks

[BigRon]

Gentlemen - I have completed the offensive stats records for each team page on our website.

What website or thread are you referring to?

[scubadan]

The bidding will be the same process as in CKL . . . the initial bid may be at any price - only the increases are dependant on the round.

I have some questions regarding next week's free agency period. In the CKL, bidding for a phase ends at 8 pm with bidding for the next phase beginning at 9 pm. In the hour between, winning bids and players moving to the next phase are posted. In our schedule it simply reads that signings will be announced at 11 pm.

Is 11 pm the deadline for submitting a bid or is it some time earlier and this is when the winning bids are announced?

Regarding the cutoff time for submitting a bid, what is the final time a successful bid will be accepted? For example, if the deadline is 11 pm, is the last successful bid at 10:59 and 11:00 is too late or is 11:00 the last acceptable time to make a bid and 11:01 is too late? This question arose in the last CKL free agent period and I thought it would be best addressed up front.

If there is no gap between the cutoff and announcement time, I assume the end of one phase and the beginning of the next phase will be seamless. If that is the case, it will be important that owners keep good track of players signed and players advancing to the next phase. This will help avoid bids in subsequent rounds for players "signed" in the previous round.

[scubadan]

Another question and, sorry, another CKL comparison. In the CKL, prior to the start of the free agent bidding teams are asked to post their current roster size and salary committments. Do you want us to do that too and, if so, do you want it in the free agent thread?

[Sockeye]

What website or thread are you referring to?

http://rmadachik.wix.com/p2pkl

[rmadachik]

I have some questions regarding next week's free agency period. In the CKL, bidding for a phase ends at 8 pm with bidding for the next phase beginning at 9 pm. In the hour between, winning bids and players moving to the next phase are posted. In our schedule it simply reads that signings will be announced at 11 pm.

Is 11 pm the deadline for submitting a bid or is it some time earlier and this is when the winning bids are announced?

Regarding the cutoff time for submitting a bid, what is the final time a successful bid will be accepted? For example, if the deadline is 11 pm, is the last successful bid at 10:59 and 11:00 is too late or is 11:00 the last acceptable time to make a bid and 11:01 is too late? This question arose in the last CKL free agent period and I thought it would be best addressed up front.

If there is no gap between the cutoff and announcement time, I assume the end of one phase and the beginning of the next phase will be seamless. If that is the case, it will be important that owners keep good track of players signed and players advancing to the next phase. This will help avoid bids in subsequent rounds for players "signed" in the previous round.

Here's the deal. My work schedule has become a bit inconsistant due to us letting go one of our management team. That said I am trying to figure out what times I will have available to record and post bids like we do in CKL.

I have adjusted our offseason schedule so it looks like this.

Friday, July 13 (9PM EST): Updated Rosters Due
Friday, July 20th (9:01 PM EST): Rookie draft begins
Monday, July 30th (9 PM EST): Rookie draft ends
Friday, August 3rd (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
Sunday, August 5th (11PM EST): first bid list posted
Tuesday, August 7th (11AM EST) 2nd bid list posted
Wednesday, August 8th (12PM EST): first phase signings announced
Wednesday, August 8th (1PM EST): 500K bid phase begins
Friday, August 10th (11 AM EST): second phase signings announced
Friday, August 10th (12 PM EST): 1M bid phase begins
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST): fourth phase signings anounced
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST):Blind bidding begins on remaining free agents via email
Monday, August 13th (9PM EST) Blind bidding closed - results posted by 10PM EST
Monday, August 13th (10PM EST): free signing period for any team under 30
Friday, August 17 (9PM EST): cut down deadline to 30 for any team over
Monday, August 20 (midnight EST): deadline for submitting Opening Day profile
Wednesday, August 22: Opening Day

Not huge changes but still drastic enough that everyone should take a look. Mostly everything pushed back a day or 2 and times adjsted so that I am actually home when I need to post things for all to see.

I am considering a different approach to fre agency starting next year. It works on the blind bidding process we use in the final round and will allow for people who can't be on line a lot to still be engaged in the proces. I will post a proposal later in the week for everyones feedback.

Thanks again everyone for being flexible.

[rmadachik]

Another question and, sorry, another CKL comparison. In the CKL, prior to the start of the free agent bidding teams are asked to post their current roster size and salary committments. Do you want us to do that too and, if so, do you want it in the free agent thread?

We should do that - I think in this years case every team has pretty much the same salary cap space so it might not be useful, which is why I haven't required it.

[rmadachik]

Gentlemen - Lew has generously offered to track and post the FA bids like he does in CKL. In order to make that happen I adjusted a couple times on our schedule. Please note thosed changes (I truly think this will be the last adjustment to our schedule) And thanks to Lew for once again helping us out.

Friday, July 13 (9PM EST): Updated Rosters Due
Friday, July 20th (9:01 PM EST): Rookie draft begins
Monday, July 30th (9 PM EST): Rookie draft ends
Friday, August 3rd (9:01 PM EST): free agent bidding begins
Sunday, August 5th (8PM EST): first bid list posted
Tuesday, August 7th (8PM EST) 2nd bid list posted
Wednesday, August 8th (7PM EST): first phase signings announced
Wednesday, August 8th (8PM EST): 500K bid phase begins
Friday, August 10th (8PM EST): second phase signings announced
Friday, August 10th (9 PM EST): 1M bid phase begins
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST): fourth phase signings anounced
Saturday, August 11th (9PM EST):Blind bidding begins on remaining free agents via email
Monday, August 13th (9PM EST) Blind bidding closed - results posted by 10PM EST
Monday, August 13th (10PM EST): free signing period for any team under 30
Friday, August 17 (9PM EST): cut down deadline to 30 for any team over
Monday, August 20 (midnight EST): deadline for submitting Opening Day profile
Wednesday, August 22: Opening Day

[Wade8813]

We should do that - I think in this years case every team has pretty much the same salary cap space so it might not be useful, which is why I haven't required it.

Actually, a team that traded for future draft picks often has a fairly sizeable difference in salary available.

[Wade8813]

Joel - You still need to select a stadium to play in. I have attached a file here that has the park factors of the available stadiums for the next 4 years. The league website has the file for all historical park data

American League Park I and Park II are separate parks, correct?

[rmadachik]

American League Park I and Park II are separate parks, correct?

That is correct

[dust bunnies]

The Dust Bunnies are placing Jim Jones ($0.50M, FA 82) on the trading block. Looking for a 4th rounder in 1904 or beyond. Jack

[Wade8813]

I'm willing to trade Otto Krueger (signed through 1903 for 2 million), Jimmy Mathison (signed to a rookie contract for 500K), and/or Charlie Irwin (signed through 1902 for 1 million).

As always, anyone on my team is always available for trade, but those three guys are easier to deal for because I have some positional redundancy there. I don't have any particular needs right now - I'm just looking for value added, either now or in the future.

[Erik Bedard]

The Rams trade their 1905 first and 1905 and 1906 second round picks to the Spiders for Charlie Hickman. Rich will confirm.

[rmadachik]

Spiders confirm

[Windy City Fan]

The Barons after narrowly missing out on Hickman, are still searching for a few more bats. One OF and one DH (can be anything!). Another pitcher wouldn't hurt either. Looking for quality players here, not just warm bodies. Willing to trade draft picks.

[rmadachik]

The Spiders continue wheelin and dealing - they trade Hall of Famer Joe Kelley to the Barons in exchange for their #1 pick in 1904 - Barons to confirm

[Windy City Fan]

The Spiders continue wheelin and dealing - they trade Hall of Famer Joe Kelley to the Barons in exchange for their #1 pick in 1904 - Barons to confirm

The Barons confirm. And remain in the market for one more good hitter.

[Wade8813]

I'm trading Otto Krueger to the Rams for their 3rd round pick in 1906

[Erik Bedard]

Rams confirm