Ones who get in

[Sharkeater232]

Roger Clemans (91.89%)
Mike Piazza (86.23%)
Ichiro (100.00%)

[Captain Cold Nose]

Roger Clemans (91.89%)
Mike Piazza (86.23%)
Ichiro (100.00%)

Do you mean their HOF voting percentages?

I'd guarantee Clemens at the very least will clear 95%
Piazza probably will hit about 90.
Ichiro will not be unanimous. Another guarantee. The guy's an incredible player, among the very best in four of the five tools, but his lack of (or, choice to not do so) power will cost votes, plus, if his MLB career is what voters will only look at (and right now, that's what is strictly voted on) his career will be too short to put up the eye-popping counting numbers necessary to reach that total. If Ruth, Cobb, Mays, etc. didn't get it, Ichiro won't, either.

[dgarza]

I'm pretty sure it should read:
Roger Clemans (91.87%)
Mike Piazza (84.13%)
Ichiro (100.00%)

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'm pretty sure it should read:
Roger Clemans (91.87%)
Mike Piazza (84.13%)
Ichiro (100.00%)
Ok. Those numbers I can agree with.

[klsm54]

I don't know... :lookitup

I think it will be...

Clemens - 92.01%
Mike Piazza - 83.89%
and
Ichiro - 99.96%...There's always one in every crowd.... :crazy

[Sharkeater232]

Ok. Those numbers I can agree with.What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those numbers are like .07 away from mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sharkeater232]

My first post is here. Read grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :atthepc :atthepc :atthepc :mad: :mad: :evil

[Tigerfan1974]

Clemens is a no-brainer!

But Piazza or Ichiro? Please!!
Ichiro hasn't even played long enough.
He may never be eligible.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Clemens is a no-brainer!

But Piazza or Ichiro? Please!!
Ichiro hasn't even played long enough.
He may never be eligible.
Ichiro will assuredly play five more years.
And, as arguably the finest-hitting catcher in baseball history, Piazza is a lock.
Sharkeater, if you don't lay off the exclamation points, they will be taken away from you. :waving

[runningshoes]

Ichiro will not be unanimous. Another guarantee. The guy's an incredible player, among the very best in four of the five tools, but his lack of (or, choice to not do so) power will cost votes

Why does a lack of power or playing the game his own way have to cost him votes? What's the mind set with of writers?

[runningshoes]

But Piazza or Ichiro?

I was always told to think before I speak.

[Sharkeater232]

[QUOTE=Captain Cold Nose if you don't lay off the exclamation points, they will be taken away from you. :waving[/QUOTE]
I can put as many exclamation points as I want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! and for Captin Nerd nose, STOP editing my posts. Idiots..

[KCGHOST]

Well, Clemens and Piazza are locks (we can haggle over the percentages), but Ichiro??? First he has to play five more years and then has to over come how hollow some of his numbers are. His offensive value is all tie up in his BA and that is highly dependent on his legs. Anything happens to those and he has a real problem. His ISO is a lowly .110 and that is not good for a corner OF.

Not starting his MLB career until he was 26 may well suppress his counting numbers to a point that voters won't see enough to let him in. Voters typically give zero value to a corner OF's defense so that won't help him.

I think he needs five more years like he has had and three - four years of decent decline work.

[Barnstormer]

I think Ichiro will and should get some credit for his years of dominance in Japanese baseball, something like 7 straight batting titles. Similar to Monte Irvin, who wouldn't have gotten in based on either his Negro League career or his MLB career alone.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Why does a lack of power or playing the game his own way have to cost him votes? What's the mind set with of writers?
Some want absolute perfection, which is why no player has ever been unanimous. Better players than Ichiro have fallen short. He will not be the first.

[Sharkeater232]

Ichiro is a first ballot Hall of Famer. So is Chris Burke, Dal Maxwell, Hal Lanier, Bill Bergen, Eddie Gaedel, Bill Short and Francis Abercrombie.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Ichiro is a first ballot Hall of Famer. So is Chris Burke, Dal Maxwell, Hal Lanier, Bill Bergen, Eddie Gaedel, Bill Short and Francis Abercrombie.

Don't forget Mario Mendoza:p

[Sharkeater232]

Who's that?

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Ever heard of the famous Mendoza line?

Mario Mendoza was a bad hitter. If you hit below .200 you are hitting below the Mendoza line.

I wonder how the guy managed to stay in the majors for nine seasons.

http://www.bostonbaseball.com/whitesox/baseball_extras/mendoza.html

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/3477/mendoza/

[digglahhh]

Anybody here heard of COINTELPRO?

It was the CIA's program to dismantle the New Left and the hippie and Yippie movements. One of their most used strategies was getting provocateurs to infiltrate groups, initiate internal dissent and distract them from the task at hand.

Don't you get it, this is like what Sharkeater is.

Just don't respond to him and he'll go away, he visits solely to mock our geniune enthusiam under the guise of a young and ignorant fan.

[538280]

Anybody here heard of COINTELPRO?

It was the CIA's program to dismantle the New Left and the hippie and Yippie movements. One of their most used strategies was getting provocateurs to infiltrate groups, initiate internal dissent and distract them from the task at hand.

Don't you get it, this is like what Sharkeater is.

Just don't respond to him and he'll go away, he visits solely to mock our geniune enthusiam under the guise of a young and ignorant fan.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but there is actually a hint of logic in this. I agree. We should all just ignore Sharkeater and not allow him to bother us.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'm not sure if you're being serious or not, but there is actually a hint of logic in this. I agree. We should all just ignore Sharkeater and not allow him to bother us.
I don't think that will be an issue any longer.

[hellborn]

Roger Clemans (91.89%)
Mike Piazza (86.23%)
Ichiro (100.00%)

If Ichiro reverts back to his .300-.310 level and doesn't score even 100 runs due to his OBP not being that great, he'll never get in. And, if his speed fails him, he'll be a marginal ML player.
Ask Maris what it means to own one very important single season record in the course of a otherwise good, but not great, career as far as the HOF is concerned. I'd be more upset that this guy has the hits record if he hadn't taken it from a loser like Sisler. Those of you who love Sisler...look at home-road records for lefties in his park, and consider that many of his contemporaries thought that Hal Chase was a superior player. They're like the guys who pick Ozzie Smith as the #1 all time SS...Ozzie was a excellent player, a clear championship level SS, but picking him as #1 all time shows a lack of consideration for a player's complete game. Playing a tremendous 1B at a time when that was a critical defensive position and piling up big hitting numbers that are 90% related to being a lefty in Sportsman's in the '20s (before the screens were put up along with other changes) makes him a good player for his time, not great for then and especially not for all time.

[pesky6]

IMO, no one will ever get 100%. Remember, this is the writers we're talking about--not the sharpest tools in the shed. . .

[Captain Cold Nose]

IMO, no one will ever get 100%. Remember, this is the writers we're talking about--not the sharpest tools in the shed. . .
Their egos will not allow the word perfection placed upon anyone else unless they personally created the legend.

[Chisox]

Their egos will not allow the word perfection placed upon anyone else unless they personally created the legend.
Yeah. If Willie Mays and Hank Aaron couldn't get 100%, I don't think anyone will. If Bonds hadn't had all this Balco stuff surrounding him, I would have thought he would have had a chance, but now it's impossible for that to happen. I think this all hinges that since former greats like Ruth didn't get 100%, they don't want to give anyone else that honor. I'd love for those that didn't vote for Mays/Aaron to give their explanations and then hang them upside down over the Arctic Ocean from a helicopter. Again, another reason why I will never support the Hall of Fame.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Yeah. If Willie Mays and Hank Aaron couldn't get 100%, I don't think anyone will. If Bonds hadn't had all this Balco stuff surrounding him, I would have thought he would have had a chance, but now it's impossible for that to happen. I think this all hinges that since former greats like Ruth didn't get 100%, they don't want to give anyone else that honor. I'd love for those that didn't vote for Mays/Aaron to give their explanations and then hang them upside down over the Arctic Ocean from a helicopter. Again, another reason why I will never support the Hall of Fame.
Not even Bonds would have gotten in. Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News hated Bonds long before the Balco scandal and I would be shocked if he would vote for a steroid-free Bonds, let alone a controversey-tainted one.

[Barnstormer]

I'd love for those that didn't vote for Mays/Aaron to give their explanations and then hang them upside down over the Arctic Ocean from a helicopter.

Better make it a strong chopper, 23 writers left Mays off their ballot when he was elected. I've never heard any explanation for it.

[digglahhh]

Chris,

I wasn't being serious in the sene that I think he is some covert Op. I was just making an anology.

When I was younger and the internet was novel, I got a kick out of disrupting chat rooms with nonsensical banter and sustained mockery, but it got old quick. What is surprising is how long sharkeater continues to amuse himself with his schtick. It is rather immature.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Chris,

I wasn't being serious in the sene that I think he is some covert Op. I was just making an anology.

When I was younger and the internet was novel, I got a kick out of disrupting chat rooms with nonsensical banter and sustained mockery, but it got old quick. What is surprising is how long sharkeater continues to amuse himself with his schtick. It is rather immature.
He's gone now, guys. Sharkeater go bye bye.

[538280]

He's gone now, guys. Sharkeater go bye bye.

No, I have a feeling he's back-see thread "Who?" on Current Events.

[Captin Warm Nose]

That's my thread!

[sharkeater]

sorry to post here, but alas as I have an "e" persona to protect as well as a lil site, and people have asked as somehow this thread got on page two of google, I must respond.

I am not sharkeater232 the name was once unique to only myself, besides that asian guy, ... lol... and I find the behavior here embarrassing and not at all as I would behave.

thank you and sorry to hit your board this way, put in a proper bot control and I wouldn't have to.

thank you.

art

[digglahhh]

There are really people out there googling "sharkeater?....";)

[Captain Cold Nose]

There are really people out there googling "sharkeater?....";)
Two pages worth, no less.
But perhaps we need to get that proper bot control. His Majesty's feathers are ruffled.

[sharkeater]

nah not so much me but after viewing things they do. and it does become an issue. I mearly took this opportunity to clarify things, as google searches everything, especially when things are left open to it. relax, and resume your chatting about built guys holding wood.

[Captain Cold Nose]

nah not so much me but after viewing things they do. and it does become an issue. I mearly took this opportunity to clarify things, as google searches everything, especially when things are left open to it. relax, and resume your chatting about built guys holding wood.
Thanks, Your Most Gracious Lordship. You are truly the way.