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Mr.Prince24
09-06-2008, 07:10 AM
From baseballtrips.net (http://www.baseballtrips.net/)

Sox vs. Twins May 1990
http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom17.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom18.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom2.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom21.jpg

This shot really shows how huge the new Coniskey was compared to the old
http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom20.jpg

Fireworks after final night game
http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom4.jpg

Demolition
http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom14.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom13.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom9.jpg

http://www.baseballtrips.net/ocom16.jpg


amazing pictures. I wonder if they can mix modern with old fashion with the likes of Comisky?

Zoso
09-13-2008, 03:21 PM
Wow, as a Sox fan, there's so much ignorance in this thread it's hilarious.

Maybe 2% of you know what you're talking about.

Mario Mendoza...HOF Lock
09-13-2008, 04:24 PM
Wow, as a Sox fan, there's so much ignorance in this thread it's hilarious.

Maybe 2% of you know what you're talking about.

I assume you're part of the 98% who doesn't.

Pelt
09-13-2008, 04:36 PM
I assume you're part of the 98% who doesn't.

Perfect. :applaud:

J.R.
09-13-2008, 07:14 PM
Those pics showing new Comiskey's upper deck towering over the old park are an eternal testimony to the utter failure of the new stadium's design. WTH were they thinking?

RoastedPeanut
09-13-2008, 07:36 PM
Rochester has a stadium in this image..

History Of Baseball Fan
09-14-2008, 09:53 AM
Those pics showing new Comiskey's upper deck towering over the old park are an eternal testimony to the utter failure of the new stadium's design. WTH were they thinking?

I have never been to either stadium, but the new one looked like garbage when it opened... i still can't believe a nice looking park like old Comiskey was ripped down because of that new one.

DrBear
09-14-2008, 02:55 PM
Those pics showing new Comiskey's upper deck towering over the old park are an eternal testimony to the utter failure of the new stadium's design. WTH were they thinking?
Three things:
Money.
Money.
Money.

ericlc129
09-14-2008, 03:50 PM
amazing pictures. I wonder if they can mix modern with old fashion with the likes of Comisky?

They do *COUGH*HOK*COUGH....:banghead::banghead:

ericlc129
09-14-2008, 03:52 PM
I have never been to either stadium...

The problem is it's in a bad area of town. Just south and west (maybe a block or two) are some big project buildings...My wife and I drove past Comiskey a few years back and we were almost assaulted in our car.

Pelt
10-30-2008, 05:03 PM
Good Chicago Cardinals pic.

DJ Starion
10-30-2008, 05:24 PM
The problem is it's in a bad area of town. Just south and west (maybe a block or two) are some big project buildings...My wife and I drove past Comiskey a few years back and we were almost assaulted in our car.

That area has changed leaps and bounds in the past year or so

Philtration
10-31-2008, 09:42 AM
Guh? I lived in Chicago for four years, and the thin crust was well, well, well behind deep dish virtually everywhere I went. Carmen's was the closest pizza place that had at least equal parts thin and deep, while everywhere else were just pretty mediocre thin crust places like Gigio's. Sure Giordano's, Uno's/Due's, Malnati's and Gio's cater to the tourist crowd, but other than Bacci's (which was only notable for the fantastic value), I was never remotely impressed by the thin crust.

Then again, the Giordano's near me had half-price Mondays, so that was the go-to joint.

I have lived here all of my life (46 years) and the places that you named are the typical yuppie/tourist pizza places.
I am talking about your mom and pop neighborhood pizza.

alpineinc
11-02-2008, 06:24 AM
Sporting News, 1937.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/comiskeysn37.jpg?t=1225636068

Philtration
11-05-2008, 08:02 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/2.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/4.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/5.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/6.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/7.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/10.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/8.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/9.jpg

The last game

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/11.jpg

Pelt
11-05-2008, 10:06 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1.jpg


That first pic really sets off the wonderful brickwork detail of the exterior. She really was beautiful and white-washing the exterior pretty much ruined it.

ChineseDemocracy
11-05-2008, 10:40 PM
I'd kill for a color picture of Comiskey before they painted it all white.

curb my enthusiasm
11-05-2008, 10:53 PM
It's amazing how similar Old Comiskey Park and Tiger Stadium were to each other.

The Monument
11-06-2008, 07:16 AM
Heres my Old Comiskey story. In Dec '89, in anticipation of the final season at Comiskey, I buy 4 tickets to each of the fri-sat-sun games around July 4. Yanks at Sox. Road trip for me and the three guys that I had a Yanks ticket plan with. Around April-May of '90, I figure it's time to get plane tickets, as it's an 18 hour drive from NY. One of the guys says he can't go, his wife is already pissed because he's going on a Wash DC trip. The next guy can't afford the plane tix. The third guy says "Well, if it's just me and you, I'm not going either". So here I am with 12 tickets and 3 almost-former friends. A week before the game, I give all 12 tix to a co-worker who goes to Chicago with 7 of his friends in a van, drinking and laughing all the way. They go to one game, 4 guys use my tix and 4 other guys buy tix to the fri nite game. They try to sell my other tix but have no luck. They drive all the way back home and my co-worker pays me for the one game that they went to. He gives me back 6 of the 8 unused tickets. He wants to keep 2 for himself--from the Sunday game when the Yanks Andy Hawkins pitched a no-hitter, and lost! This guy took about 100 photos and told me it was the best time of his life. I don't know why they didn't go to 2 games, and looking back I don't know why I didn't just go with them. A year or two later I consoled myself by buying a seat and a brick from Old Comiskey {or 'Kaminsky' as the DC guy always called it}. Sad but true, that's my story.

locke40
11-06-2008, 08:36 AM
Heres my Old Comiskey story. In Dec '89, in anticipation of the final season at Comiskey, I buy 4 tickets to each of the fri-sat-sun games around July 4. Yanks at Sox. Road trip for me and the three guys that I had a Yanks ticket plan with. Around April-May of '90, I figure it's time to get plane tickets, as it's an 18 hour drive from NY. One of the guys says he can't go, his wife is already pissed because he's going on a Wash DC trip. The next guy can't afford the plane tix. The third guy says "Well, if it's just me and you, I'm not going either". So here I am with 12 tickets and 3 almost-former friends. A week before the game, I give all 12 tix to a co-worker who goes to Chicago with 7 of his friends in a van, drinking and laughing all the way. They go to one game, 4 guys use my tix and 4 other guys buy tix to the fri nite game. They try to sell my other tix but have no luck. They drive all the way back home and my co-worker pays me for the one game that they went to. He gives me back 6 of the 8 unused tickets. He wants to keep 2 for himself--from the Sunday game when the Yanks Andy Hawkins pitched a no-hitter, and lost! This guy took about 100 photos and told me it was the best time of his life. I don't know why they didn't go to 2 games, and looking back I don't know why I didn't just go with them. A year or two later I consoled myself by buying a seat and a brick from Old Comiskey {or 'Kaminsky' as the DC guy always called it}. Sad but true, that's my story.

Wow man, that was actually a very depressing story. Looking at the above photographs, you really missed out on experiencing a gem of a ballpark.

skobabe8
11-06-2008, 12:38 PM
The problem is it's in a bad area of town. Just south and west (maybe a block or two) are some big project buildings...My wife and I drove past Comiskey a few years back and we were almost assaulted in our car.

It must have been more than a few years ago. Not only have those big project buildings been torn down, there is now mixed income housing where they used to stand. Not to mention a Starbucks.

locke40
11-06-2008, 12:42 PM
It must have been more than a few years ago. Not only have those big project buildings been torn down, there is now mixed income housing where they used to stand. Not to mention a Starbucks.

I went to that Starbucks during my one and only trip to Chicago. We went to Wrigley on a Saturday, and the Cell the next day. Now I love old ballparks and all that, but I honestly enjoyed the game more at the Cell than at Wrigley.

skobabe8
11-06-2008, 12:47 PM
I went to that Starbucks during my one and only trip to Chicago. We went to Wrigley on a Saturday, and the Cell the next day. Now I love old ballparks and all that, but I honestly enjoyed the game more at the Cell than at Wrigley.

35th and State Street:

http://cribchatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/starbucks-in-bronzeville.jpg

Glad to hear you had a good time!

mandrake
11-06-2008, 12:50 PM
. A year or two later I consoled myself by buying a seat and a brick from Old Comiskey {or 'Kaminsky' as the DC guy always called it}. Sad but true, that's my story.

And here I am , thinking I am the only nut in NYwith a box seat from Comiskey ! BTW, which type seat do you have? I was given one of the very old, square looking box seats.

Mario Mendoza...HOF Lock
11-06-2008, 02:36 PM
I'd kill for a color picture of Comiskey before they painted it all white.

No need to do that:)

Here's one from 1959 (from the David Jackson collection)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/3008335093_e0f376a69a_o.jpg

locke40
11-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Sporting News, 1937.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/comiskeysn37.jpg?t=1225636068

I love how he calls Yankee Stadium "palatial." What shame about the renovations.

Philtration
11-06-2008, 07:19 PM
I'd kill for a color picture of Comiskey before they painted it all white.

Here you go.
This is from 1957.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/50smaingate.jpg

ChineseDemocracy
11-06-2008, 08:00 PM
Mario, Philtration...these shots are awesome!

Thanks SO much for these!

What a beautiful ballpark Old Comiskey was.

mrakbaseball
11-06-2008, 11:19 PM
I love how he calls Yankee Stadium "palatial." What shame about the renovations.

Those renovations allowed Yankee Stadium to see the '80's,'90's and exist thru the 2008 season. Yankee Stadium wouldn't exist at all, in any form beyond the mid '70's if not for those renovations. The renovations allowed the Yankees to draw 4 mil+ a season, lead MLB in payroll and revenue. Wait a second, the Yankees are getting a brand new stadium aren't they? Oh well, Comiskey lasted 81 seasons, Yankee lasted 84 seasons.

soup
11-07-2008, 04:49 AM
Those renovations allowed Yankee Stadium to see the '80's,'90's and exist thru the 2008 season. Yankee Stadium wouldn't exist at all, in any form beyond the mid '70's if not for those renovations. The renovations allowed the Yankees to draw 4 mil+ a season, lead MLB in payroll and revenue. Wait a second, the Yankees are getting a brand new stadium aren't they? Oh well, Comiskey lasted 81 seasons, Yankee lasted 84 seasons.

this really isn't the thread to discuss it, but the argument could (and can) by made that while the renovations did allow Yankee Stadium to live on for 30 more years, the changes innately changed the character and overall charm of the original stadium.

alpineinc
11-09-2008, 08:34 AM
1946 Sporting News, from Gene Mack of the Boston Globe.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/sn4601mackcomiskey.jpg?t=1226248801

The Monument
11-10-2008, 07:10 PM
And here I am , thinking I am the only nut in NYwith a box seat from Comiskey ! BTW, which type seat do you have? I was given one of the very old, square looking box seats.

I have one of the curved back seats. Bought it from Seitz and Co. I believe they operated out of Minneapolis. They used to send me flyers with pix of the seats that they had available, but I haven't heard from them in years. Also bought a straight-back Cleveland Municipal seat from them, in yellow. The Comiskey seat was completely redone,scraped clean and repainted. The Cleveland seat is not redone, it has some peeling paint but overall it's in good shape. I think Seitz used to sell them as either Rookie, All-Star or Hall of Famer seats, depending on how much restoration was done. The Comiskey brick was ordered from either HSN or QVC on tv when I came home loaded one night. I was surprised when it showed up in the mail a few weeks later. My wife thought I was an idiot. Wait til she sees various pieces of Yankee Stadium showing up. Took her to a game last year and after photographing the old ticket booths, I asked her how one would look in our backyard. She just asked me how I would get it home. That guys nuts! Grab 'em!

J.R.
11-10-2008, 08:40 PM
Here you go.
This is from 1957.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/50smaingate.jpg

Sooooooooooo much better. The whitewash ruined her.

alpineinc
11-12-2008, 05:29 AM
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alpineinc
11-24-2008, 12:48 AM
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alpineinc
03-10-2009, 11:13 PM
From OldTimeBaseball (http://picasaweb.google.com/rriescher/OldTimeBaseball#) on Picasa.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/00365_s_8ac95rbc70450.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/alpineinc/00363_s_8ac95rbc70448.jpg

whitesox901
03-10-2009, 11:36 PM
I love the pics in this thread :clapping

Philtration
03-11-2009, 05:32 PM
I loved this park. A lot of great times there over the years.
The first row of the upper deck anywhere around the field was such a great seat.

Here is another old one before the addition of the upper deck in the outfield.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1917-white-sox-team-cropped.jpg

Philtration
03-11-2009, 06:16 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/OldComiskeyParkChicagoIllinois.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1445037333_35a9978c02.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1445038515_670c59c9df.jpg

1959 World Series
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/october_3_1959.jpg

Yes...disco did really suck.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Disgodemolitioncopy.jpg

The last game and final game program
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Lastgame.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/comiskeyfinal.jpg

Philtration
03-11-2009, 06:22 PM
The BEATLES at Comiskey
August 20th, 1965

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/LennonComiskey2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/McCartneyComisky.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/PaulGeorgeComiskey.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/LennonComiskey.jpg

mandrake
03-11-2009, 06:32 PM
I can't compete with the Fab Four but here is a picture of my wife (my fab) at Comiskey :

MontanaJim74
03-11-2009, 07:31 PM
The BEATLES at Comiskey
August 20th, 1965

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/BeatlesComiskey.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/LennonComiskey2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/McCartneyComisky.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/PaulGeorgeComiskey.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/LennonComiskey.jpg


Cant believe there are so many empty seats!

PurpleMustReign
03-12-2009, 08:34 AM
Sooooooooooo much better. The whitewash ruined her.

Does anyone know why they painted it white?

PurpleMustReign
03-12-2009, 08:35 AM
Cant believe there are so many empty seats!



I think most of those pics are rehearsals.

87Twins91
03-12-2009, 08:43 AM
Old Comiskey was a beautiful park. Really wish I could have caught a game there. It was one of my favorite parks as far as watching games on TV. The picture of Gary Gaetti posted earlier was one of my favorite shots of the park, where you could see outside through those arches between the two decks.

mandrake
03-12-2009, 08:48 AM
I think most of those pics are rehearsals.

I think they played a day show and a night show:

20th Aug 1965 Comiskey Park, Chicago USA Attendance: 25,000 and 37,000
www.beatles-discography.com

J.E.Fullerton
03-12-2009, 06:58 PM
I've read that the Comiskey cornerstone was laid on St Patrick's Day, and painted green, but I've never seen a photo of it, or have any idea what part of the park it was in. Anyone know?

Chevy114
03-13-2009, 08:36 AM
Does anyone know why they painted it white?

I know the tigets did it around the same time. I had always heard that they thought the white looked cleaner and was easier to mainstain.

DJ Starion
03-13-2009, 10:42 AM
My first ever baseball game was in 1987 at Old Comiskey. It was White Sox vs. Yankees and I remember us winning 1-0. We had front row seats behind the Sox dugout, and Ozzie Guillen tossed me a ball he had just caught off a line drive

Zoso
03-18-2009, 05:23 PM
The problem is it's in a bad area of town. Just south and west (maybe a block or two) are some big project buildings...My wife and I drove past Comiskey a few years back and we were almost assaulted in our car.

There has never been a project a block or two west of the park..

Years ago there were high rise projects across the expressway. They really had no bearing on people going to the game as parking lots and the stadium were on the other side. That's not even technically the same neighborhood.


It's amazing how similar Old Comiskey Park and Tiger Stadium were to each other.

They weren't really similar except for they both had (nearly) wraparound bowl designs poles. Tiger stadium was a bandbox everywhere except the deep center field, hence putting one on the roof of Comiskey was a much more unusual event.

Comiskey was a cleaner design and the see through arches were pretty unique. Houston copied that look as one of their many contrived, garish, Texas style tributes to past parks that had nothing to do with their own history (the Rangers did the same thing). Speaking of which, the home run porch in Arlington is really more reminiscent of Comiskey's, yet it's inevitably compare to old Tiger Stadium which is really an inferior park. Although I can understand the fonder memories since the Tigers had a much richer history in theirs. The Sox more or less stunk it up in old Comiskey for its existence, save for the teens and the 50s-60s. Nevertheless..

Green seats, green roof, 335+ from the plate = Comiskey

Blue seats, blue roof, 250 feet from the plate, hovering over the field = Tiger Stadium

Which one more closely resembles this one:

http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Photos/BallparkArlington_RF.jpg

ol' aches and pains
07-25-2009, 07:22 PM
George Brace was a well-known photographer for many years in Chicago. Here are a few samples from the website selling his prints (sorry for the watermarks).

Philtration
07-25-2009, 08:04 PM
This was such a sad sight to see in person.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/comiskeydemo.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/comiskeydemo2.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/comiskeydemo3.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/comiskeydemo4.jpg

Philtration
07-25-2009, 09:06 PM
1914 Chicago White Sox at Comiskey Park

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/1914Sox.jpg

White Sox vs, St. Louis Browns at Comiskey Park 1926

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/SoxvsBrowns1926.jpg

Shoeless Joe Jackson at Comiskey Park 1915

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/ShoelessJoe1915.jpg

Philtration
07-25-2009, 09:09 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxdanryan.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Soxoldnew.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxsun.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxarch.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Soxcorner.jpg

The final out at Comiskey Park

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxlastout.jpg

DiggerODell
07-25-2009, 09:30 PM
By God Phil . .. these are magical! You've posed some fabulous photos lately! Don't think for a moment I didn't notice and appreciate them. You've also had some great discourse with fellow posters . . . dang I wish I was as good a debater . .. ha! Always I must, admire an educated individual. You are very well versed, and ring a good word.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxdanryan.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Soxoldnew.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxsun.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxarch.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/Soxcorner.jpg

The final out at Comiskey Park

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/baseball%20site/soxlastout.jpg

Mario Mendoza...HOF Lock
07-25-2009, 10:15 PM
Great pics Philtration. Felt as if I was there.

ChineseDemocracy
07-26-2009, 12:36 AM
Did you take those photos, Philtration? If so, marvelous job!

That green on white paint job is beautiful! And Old Comiskey was a beautiful ballpark. I dig the new place as well, but it wouldn't be half as nice if it didn't have its inspiration from her neighbor.

skobabe8
07-26-2009, 05:51 PM
Did you take those photos, Philtration? If so, marvelous job!

That green on white paint job is beautiful! And Old Comiskey was a beautiful ballpark. I dig the new place as well, but it wouldn't be half as nice if it didn't have its inspiration from her neighbor.

You like the paint job??

I always wished they would have left the brick alone. You barely notice all of the intricate details with the brick painted over.

ChineseDemocracy
07-26-2009, 08:11 PM
I prefer the unpainted brick facade, but green on white still looks good to me.

DiggerODell
07-26-2009, 11:49 PM
I love the pics in this thread :clapping

Hey sox . . . if they keep this up . . . mandrake . .ole .. phil . . . I'm gonna pack up and move back to Chitown . . .ha . . . And when you wrote this, it hadn't even gotten good yet! Excellent photos everyone . . .

Philtration
07-27-2009, 05:59 AM
Did you take those photos, Philtration? If so, marvelous job!

That green on white paint job is beautiful! And Old Comiskey was a beautiful ballpark. I dig the new place as well, but it wouldn't be half as nice if it didn't have its inspiration from her neighbor.

No, I did not take those.
I had a lot of pics of Comiskey, Wrigley, Chicago Stadium and Soldier Field that were taken from the 70s and 80s that I left at my mom's house.
She died two years ago and I was never up to going through her stuff.
I asked my brother if he knew where they were a few months ago and he said that he could not find them so I let it go.
They may still turn up and if they do I will scan all of them to post here.
Three of the four places are gone now (Soldier Field is not the same place to me) and Wrigley looked a lot different back then.

For the one taken of the last out at the old ballpark... I was sitting just opposite of that image on the first base side so I had a mirror view of that pic. I met Kurt Russell who was walking around the park before the game and he was pretty cool.
He wanted to see the place one last time just like the rest of us.
I agree about the old park being the connection to the new one and it makes Comiskey being gone a little easier to swallow.

Philtration
07-27-2009, 09:29 AM
There is a John Candy film called "Only The Lonely" that has a cool scene filmed at Comiskey.
What makes it cool, and a little sad, is that they filmed it right after the final game played there and before the demolition was started.
It was nice to the place lit up one last time and everything is just as it was when they played the final game.

The movie is kind of a chick flick but if you love ballparks then it is worth renting just to see Comiskey in all its glory for the last time.
It was nice that they did not go for the stereotypical Chicago location of having Wrigley thrown in there.

ol' aches and pains
07-27-2009, 10:29 AM
Old Comiskey wasn't known in its time as a small or intimate ballpark, but in this pic you can see that the upper deck in the new park begins where the old one left off; i.e. the highest seat in the upper deck of the old park is lower than the lowest seat in the upper deck of the new park. :sigh:

Philtration
07-27-2009, 01:41 PM
Old Comiskey wasn't known in its time as a small or intimate ballpark, but in this pic you can see that the upper deck in the new park begins where the old one left off; i.e. the highest seat in the upper deck of the old park is lower than the lowest seat in the upper deck of the new park. :sigh:

True.
I was at the opening day game in 1981 when they had over 51,000 packed in there yet you were always close to the field no matter where you were in the park.
It was just laid out very well.

Zoso
07-27-2009, 04:50 PM
Old Comiskey wasn't known in its time as a small or intimate ballpark, but in this pic you can see that the upper deck in the new park begins where the old one left off; i.e. the highest seat in the upper deck of the old park is lower than the lowest seat in the upper deck of the new park. :sigh:

I'll take a pole-less lower bowl. Baseball's better seen from in the sun, and when you can see fly balls.

ol' aches and pains
07-28-2009, 05:08 AM
Agreed, the lower bowl is great, but I won't sit upstairs, you need mountain climbing gear to get up there.

Chevy114
07-28-2009, 08:22 AM
Any white sox fans know this: Do fans still say they wish they had old comisky while at games or anything still about how the old one was better?

Zoso
07-28-2009, 08:28 AM
No, I don't think I've never heard that.

Sox fans aren't a romantic lot. You don't hear about curses or sappy b.s. about ye olde ballparks of yore. As a result, Comiskey is probably the most properly rated ballpark of all time.

Chevy114
07-28-2009, 08:39 AM
No, I don't think I've never heard that.

Sox fans aren't a romantic lot. You don't hear about curses or sappy b.s. about ye olde ballparks of yore. As a result, Comiskey is probably the most properly rated ballpark of all time.

I love the shape of old comiskey and I love the outside before being white washed, but it definately gets lost in the shuffle because they have done little to remember it. But maybe that's why there is so little drama about the post renovated us celluar and how it can't compete with the old.

Zoso
07-28-2009, 08:43 AM
I've always heard it was old, cramped, smelled, had too many poles, etc. All the things true of the old parks, but that you never hear anyone talk about, but you hear it about Comiskey. Some people realize all things must pass. The old home plate is preserved in concrete and marble in the parking lot. That's good enough.

I only went there when I was < 8 years old.

PeteU
07-28-2009, 09:13 AM
Speaking of which, the home run porch in Arlington is really more reminiscent of Comiskey's.....
Which one more closely resembles this one:

http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Photos/BallparkArlington_RF.jpg

I always thought so myself. But perhaps it is just the green color scheme that had me thinking Comiskey Park before Tiger Stadium when I saw the right field porch at Arlington.

PeteU
07-28-2009, 09:16 AM
Sox fans aren't a romantic lot. You don't hear about curses or sappy b.s. about ye olde ballparks of yore.

I always wondered why the Black Sox Curse wasn't romaticized like the Curse of the Bambino or the Billy Goat Curse. In 2005, one year after the Red Sox won their series, the White Sox won theirs, but there wasn't nearly as much attention paid to it.

Zoso
07-28-2009, 09:56 AM
Because there was no Black Sox Curse. Ever thus, there was no Bambino nor is there currently a Billy Goat curse.

I'm sure thousands of people have cursed the Yankees over time, but it doesn't appear to have worked. You only hear about the ones that do seem to work.

tdinan
07-28-2009, 12:40 PM
Because there was no Black Sox Curse. Ever thus, there was no Bambino nor is there currently a Billy Goat curse.

I'm sure thousands of people have cursed the Yankees over time, but it doesn't appear to have worked. You only hear about the ones that do seem to work.

"There was a Bambino, his name was Babe Ruth. He was a great ballplayer. Why would Ken Burns put him in that documentary if there was no Bambino? When I go to Yankee Stadium I see all kinds of pictures with him on it and I even saw a Yankeeography that was all about him hosted by John Sterling who does the radio for the Yankees."

-jimmyjimjimz

:laugh

Chevy114
07-28-2009, 12:59 PM
I've always heard it was old, cramped, smelled, had too many poles, etc. All the things true of the old parks, but that you never hear anyone talk about, but you hear it about Comiskey. Some people realize all things must pass. The old home plate is preserved in concrete and marble in the parking lot. That's good enough.

I only went there when I was < 8 years old.

I have heard people say that about tiget stadium when it was on its last leg, so I know it's not just comiskey that was run down.

So I wonder if the love for tiger stadium is something that was always there or a case of you don't know what you have until its gone. But I never got the same vibe from comiskey.

Now I can't tell if the getting over comiskey so fast was because the owner at the time didn't seem to care, or if the fans did a better job dealing with it compared to some historic stadiums, or even if they were tired of being in wrigley's shadow since people seemed to like it more.

I hope my theories don't offend people, I am just trying to figure things out so it makes more sense to me. P.S. every stadium I have named are all in my all time favorties for numerous reasons!

Philtration
07-28-2009, 04:32 PM
Any white sox fans know this: Do fans still say they wish they had old comisky while at games or anything still about how the old one was better?

No.
It was great while it lasted, I had a lot of great times there and I miss it but it was time.
Even if it were renovated it would be time again right now.
I can't imagine how it would have looked after another 20 years.
Cub fans need to start getting real about Wrigley because the same thing has happened there. It is time.

What made people mad was that Reinsdorf acted like such a jag off and blackmailed the city into paying for a new park.
He rushed into getting a new stadium and it took almost 20 years to correct his blunders.
I loved Comiskey but I love U.S. Cellular too.

Chevy114
07-28-2009, 06:13 PM
Yeah I can tell it was very rushed and very bland, but then again most stadiums built in athe 80s (skydome and the trop are the first I can think) weren't much better. Skydome at least had a cool retractable roof and a mall feel that has saved it in most people's eyes.

marlins739
07-28-2009, 06:23 PM
I wonder what a new White Sox park to replace Comiskey would look like if they built it now. Would Comiskey have been so rundown by this point that people would be trying to forget about it? They'd probably face it towards the skyline, but I hope it would be a symmetrical design like Old Comiskey and the Cell now and they wouldn't try to make a Citi Field or Arlington type of contrived mess in the middle of a parking lot

Philtration
07-28-2009, 06:32 PM
I have heard people say that about tiget stadium when it was on its last leg, so I know it's not just comiskey that was run down.

So I wonder if the love for tiger stadium is something that was always there or a case of you don't know what you have until its gone. But I never got the same vibe from comiskey.

Now I can't tell if the getting over comiskey so fast was because the owner at the time didn't seem to care, or if the fans did a better job dealing with it compared to some historic stadiums, or even if they were tired of being in wrigley's shadow since people seemed to like it more.

I hope my theories don't offend people, I am just trying to figure things out so it makes more sense to me. P.S. every stadium I have named are all in my all time favorties for numerous reasons!

I just don't think that White Sox fans are overly sentimental. They are not into "whimsical".
Not the ones that I know anyway.
We know our teams history and celebrate it but we tend look to today and tomorrow more.
The fans here were just glad that the team was not moved to Tampa and if having Comiskey gone was the price for that then it was worth it.
Comiskey would have been 100 years old next year and that is just too damn old for a sports stadium.

After all the games that I saw at Comiskey, it was at the Cell where I finally got to see them play in a World Series and that was bigger than any game I saw at the old park.
The biggest difference for me was I loved Comiskey right from the very first time I went inside while U.S. Cellular had to grow on me.

KingmanIII
07-28-2009, 07:01 PM
What made people mad was that Reinsdorf acted like such a jag off and blackmailed the city into paying for a new park.
He rushed into getting a new stadium and it took almost 20 years to correct his blunders.
That, and the fact that he didn't even give Philip Bess' Armour Field (http://www.thursdayassociates.net/Baseball%20Projects/armour_field.htm) proposal so much as a sniff.

Philtration
07-28-2009, 07:15 PM
Yeah I can tell it was very rushed and very bland, but then again most stadiums built in athe 80s (skydome and the trop are the first I can think) weren't much better. Skydome at least had a cool retractable roof and a mall feel that has saved it in most people's eyes.

I would have loved for them to build a park like PNC for the White Sox.
Put it in the South Loop around Roosevelt Road and the river with this as the backdrop.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/Chicago/Southloop.jpg

Cub fans should look at it the same way.
Maybe come to grips with the fact that Wrigley is really old and has run its course and start looking at how great a new ballpark can actually be.

I have never been to Fenway but I would imagine that it is the same situation there.

DiggerODell
07-28-2009, 07:27 PM
Yeah I can tell it was very rushed and very bland, but then again most stadiums built in athe 80s (skydome and the trop are the first I can think) weren't much better. Skydome at least had a cool retractable roof and a mall feel that has saved it in most people's eyes.

Have you ever heard . . of the sport of baseball? Chevy, I'm disappointed. I've read some good reads, but this isn't one of em.

note: just to qualify this, my wife and i are disagreeing tonight, so i'm not in a very good mood . . .could have something, but very little me thinks . . .to do with my message.

Philtration
07-28-2009, 07:27 PM
That, and the fact that he didn't even give Philip Bess' Armour Field (http://www.thursdayassociates.net/Baseball%20Projects/armour_field.htm) proposal so much as a sniff.
True.
There was another design that was floated around about the same time and it looked pretty cool.
The city owned the land that I mentioned in the South Loop and it was offered as a location for the new stadium. It was a great location but Reinsdorf wanted to build in suburban Addison because he is a clueless jerk.
He really likes parking lots.
The Illinois voters shot it down and that is when he started his threats to move to Tampa where they were building a new dome.
One thing lead to another and the vote passed at the last minute.
If he had been patient the city was willing to build the Sox a new home but he wanted it his way and he wanted it now.:hissyfit:
The park was 100% funded by the taxpayers yet they still let Jerry have his way in saying how the place would be designed.

That has never set well with a lot of people here.

Pelt
07-28-2009, 07:49 PM
That, and the fact that he didn't even give Philip Bess' Armour Field (http://www.thursdayassociates.net/Baseball%20Projects/armour_field.htm) proposal so much as a sniff.

To this day I still can't believe they didn't go with this. :banghead:

Zoso
07-28-2009, 08:06 PM
I would have loved for them to build a park like PNC for the White Sox.
Put it in the South Loop around Roosevelt Road and the river with this as the backdrop.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/phil62/Chicago/Southloop.jpg

Cub fans should look at it the same way.
Maybe come to grips with the fact that Wrigley is really old and has run its course and start looking at how great a new ballpark can actually be.

I have never been to Fenway but I would imagine that it is the same situation there.

Yeah, hopefully HOK can bomb it too, so the Cubs will cease being a cult attraction and have to actually win things.


True.
There was another design that was floated around about the same time and it looked pretty cool.
The city owned the land that I mentioned in the South Loop and it was offered as a location for the new stadium. It was a great location but Reinsdorf wanted to build in suburban Addison because he is a clueless jerk.
He really likes parking lots.
The Illinois voters shot it down and that is when he started his threats to move to Tampa where they were building a new dome.
One thing lead to another and the vote passed at the last minute.
If he had been patient the city was willing to build the Sox a new home but he wanted it his way and he wanted it now.:hissyfit:
The park was 100% funded by the taxpayers yet they still let Jerry have his way in saying how the place would be designed.

That has never set well with a lot of people here.

Addison would've been an absolute nightmare. You have to take two different expressways from the city to get to it. It's just remarkably stupid to have ever considered that. Makes you grateful for the clunker that took 30 million in renovations to turn into a nice park.

Chevy114
07-28-2009, 09:07 PM
Have you ever heard . . of the sport of baseball? Chevy, I'm disappointed. I've read some good reads, but this isn't one of em.

note: just to qualify this, my wife and i are disagreeing tonight, so i'm not in a very good mood . . .could have something, but very little me thinks . . .to do with my message.

Its cool, I can't win them all.

Philtration
07-29-2009, 07:01 AM
Yeah, hopefully HOK can bomb it too, so the Cubs will cease being a cult attraction and have to actually win things.

Addison would've been an absolute nightmare. You have to take two different expressways from the city to get to it. It's just remarkably stupid to have ever considered that. Makes you grateful for the clunker that took 30 million in renovations to turn into a nice park.

The Cubs were also considering Addison as a new home for a while.
They decided to spruce up Wrigley and sell it to their T.V. viewers instead and it turned into a gold mine.
Not that it has translated to any real success on the field but most of them don't seem to mind.
Tourists donít care what the team does. They come for the cute ballpark and to get hammered.

ol' aches and pains
07-29-2009, 07:57 AM
Any white sox fans know this: Do fans still say they wish they had old comisky while at games or anything still about how the old one was better?

At first, yes. The new park was a pretty drab, cheerless place when it oppened, but over the years it's been greatly improved, and you really don't hear much nostalgia for the old one anymore.

Wrigley Wax
07-29-2009, 08:08 AM
The Cubs were also considering Addison as a new home for a while.

Actually, the Cubs were considering Schaumburg, since Tribune owned property out there - it's where the WGN radio towers are located. I doubt they were actually thinking about moving, but instead used Schaumburg as leverage to get the city to allow lights at Wrigley.

MattD1972
07-29-2009, 09:08 AM
I just don't think that White Sox fans are overly sentimental. They are not into "whimsical".
Not the ones that I know anyway.
We know our teams history and celebrate it but we tend look to today and tomorrow more.
The fans here were just glad that the team was not moved to Tampa and if having Comiskey gone was the price for that then it was worth it.
Comiskey would have been 100 years old next year and that is just too damn old for a sports stadium.



Thank you Phil, for stating what some on BBF refuse to acknowledge. By 1988, there were two - AND ONLY TWO - options for the White Sox franchise - a new stadium or a move to Tampa Bay. Yes, the new stadium was extorted; Yes, the fans were forced to watch the torturous demolition of old Comiskey in 1991; and Yes, New Comiskey wasn't a great ballpark when it opened. But it has improved over the years. It was simply time for a new stadium, as these parks weren't meant to last forever, and everyone knew it. From what I saw as a 17-year-old in 1990, upkeep hadn't been great. Case in point - I was sold a seat that had already been removed in August 1990.

Philtration
07-29-2009, 09:29 AM
Actually, the Cubs were considering Schaumburg, since Tribune owned property out there - it's where the WGN radio towers are located. I doubt they were actually thinking about moving, but instead used Schaumburg as leverage to get the city to allow lights at Wrigley.

Yeah, Schaumburg was also a serious alternative.
I remember the whole Addison thing because the local sports idiots kept trying to tie in the Cubs moving from Clarke & Addison to just Addison.
The Cubs claimed that they did a study and determined that a high percentage of their season ticket holders were located in that area.

This was in 1985 and I believe that they were very serious about moving because Wrigley was not a cash cow and the neighborhood was far from the Mardi Gras beer garden that it is today.
The Cubs were just coming off their first trip to the post season since 1945 yet they only drew 2,161,534 fans. The next season it dropped to 1,859,102.
The bigger crowds did not really start until 1998 and they did not draw over 3 million until 2004.
Now they are milking the fans for every nickle and their record does not seem to make any change in the attendance numbers.
In 2006 they lost 96 games and finished in last place yet they drew 3.1 million. It is not about the game any more.

Check out the Cubs attendance number through the years.
This whole thing about them always packing Wrigley is just a myth.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cubsatte.shtml

AMDG
07-29-2009, 05:25 PM
That, and the fact that he didn't even give Philip Bess' Armour Field (http://www.thursdayassociates.net/Baseball%20Projects/armour_field.htm) proposal so much as a sniff.

I am not sure why the love for Armour Field. TGhe seats between the foul poles look great. The problem with it are the outfied seats. There are too many oif them and most are angled incorrectly.

It is just a modern take on the Polo Grounds which was not exactly the ultimate in layout.

Philtration
07-29-2009, 05:59 PM
I am not sure why the love for Armour Field. TGhe seats between the foul poles look great. The problem with it are the outfied seats. There are too many oif them and most are angled incorrectly.

It is just a modern take on the Polo Grounds which was not exactly the ultimate in layout.

I agree.
If the outfield had been redesigned then maybe...
I personally though that it resembled Baltimore's Memorial Stadium in a way.

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesdp09/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/memorialstadium1970.jpg

http://www.thursdayassociates.net/images/13-AF_Model-1.JPG

Zoso
07-29-2009, 06:24 PM
This is what Armour Field would look like if it didn't suck. Nice in principle but terrible in practice. Just need to make it less...ridiculous.

scooterfan
07-29-2009, 07:24 PM
Yeah, Schaumburg was also a serious alternative.
I remember the whole Addison thing because the local sports idiots kept trying to tie in the Cubs moving from Clarke & Addison to just Addison.
The Cubs claimed that they did a study and determined that a high percentage of their season ticket holders were located in that area.

This was in 1985 and I believe that they were very serious about moving because Wrigley was not a cash cow and the neighborhood was far from the Mardi Gras beer garden that it is today.
The Cubs were just coming off their first trip to the post season since 1945 yet they only drew 2,161,534 fans. The next season it dropped to 1,859,102.
The bigger crowds did not really start until 1998 and they did not draw over 3 million until 2004.
Now they are milking the fans for every nickle and their record does not seem to make any change in the attendance numbers.
In 2006 they lost 96 games and finished in last place yet they drew 3.1 million. It is not about the game any more.

Check out the Cubs attendance number through the years.
This whole thing about them always packing Wrigley is just a myth.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/cubsatte.shtml

I don't agree with your attendance argument. MLB attendance didn't start increasing until the 1990s when corporations started buying season tickets in droves. The Yankees only drew 23 thousand the day Maris hit his 61st. The Red Sox only drew 12 thousand on Ted Williams' last day. The Yankees couldn't even draw 2.5 million with Ruth, Gehrig, DiMag or Mantle. They didn't draw over 2.5 million until 1980. The only team that drew crowds similar to today's standards was the Dodgers during the 60s and 70s.

Sean O
07-29-2009, 07:37 PM
This is what Armour Field would look like if it didn't suck. Nice in principle but terrible in practice. Just need to make it less...ridiculous.

That's essentially Bank One, right?

the_Bored
07-29-2009, 07:53 PM
I agree.
If the outfield had been redesigned then maybe...
I personally though that it resembled Baltimore's Memorial Stadium in a way.

Which is ironic, in a way. Wasn't the other alternative what ended up being Camden Yards?

Philtration
07-29-2009, 07:59 PM
This is what Armour Field would look like if it didn't suck. Nice in principle but terrible in practice. Just need to make it less...ridiculous.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74181&stc=1&d=1248917007


Much better!
I never understood why anyone would have wanted that Polo Grounds shaped outfield.
I mean... not even in New York so why here?

Zoso
07-29-2009, 08:21 PM
That's essentially Bank One, right?

Minus the televangelist convention center look it's got a similar layout.

Bobby_Ayala
07-29-2009, 10:34 PM
Back to Old Comiskey, that was a symmetrical ballpark worth remembering, a lot of character.