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Elvis
01-19-2006, 12:04 AM
First of all, I want to thank all of you who responded with such kind words to my posting my drawings and photos of the model ballparks I made years ago. As you may know, I have not made any new models for some time now, due primarily to the time involved in constructing them. However, thanks in large part to you guys inspiring me, I have decided to try it again. I'm going to build another model ballpark and attempt o sell it. If I can, then I may have a new side business on my hands - we'll see how it goes.

My new model(s) will be of the same scale (1:600), but will be somewhat more "polished". Instead of being almost entirely built of corregated cardboard, as my old models were, I will be using more traditional model-making materials - Balsa and bass woods and some plastic for most of the visible elements. I will still be using corregated cardboard for most of the internal structure, simply because it's free, easy to work with, and frankly quite sturdy.

My first new model is almost ready to begin the construction phase. The basic design is worked out and I just finished the final draft of the field layout. The ballpark borrows design elements from the Polo Grounds, Dodger Stadium, Old Comiskey Park, Tiger Stadium, and of course, the modern ballparks of today. The dimensions are:

LF foul pole: 305 ft
LF corner: 381 ft
LF "true" alley: 386 ft
LF deep alley: 399 ft
Center field "notch": 462 ft
LF and RF center field: 422 ft
Deep RF alley: 439 ft
RF "true" alley: 419 ft
RF corner: 393 ft
RF foul pole: 311 ft
Backstop: 50 ft

Foul territory: large along the bases, small deep down the lines.

This ballpark will feature 2 large main seating decks in the main grandstand; a third deck behind home plate; 2 separate "old fashioned" pavilions in the corners that extend toward center field (featuring overhanging upper decks and roof supported by minimal posts and cantilevers); a center field "notch".

I haven't worked out all the details yet, but it's pretty much ready to start building. The only thing I haven't really decided on is the exterior design and overall color scheme.

I'll post more details later and of course be giving construction updates as frequently as is feasable. I do have a question for all: How much should I ask as a selling price? I've never sold one before, so I'm not sure. I figure the materials (not counting the initial investment of a few tools) will run between $50-$100 (guestimate), and something like 15-25 hours labor. :eek: Any ideas? I've already found a company that makes 1:600 scale trees, cars and figurines I can add to the models, so this would add to the cost a little as well, although I can always offer them as optional accesories.

Again, thanks for inspiring me once again!

Onward! :D

Twisted Wicker
01-19-2006, 10:34 AM
This should turn out great, especially if it's going to look better than your other ones! :eek:

Your drawings were superb, and very realistic. Did you just draw this one, or is it in the other thread? I would like to see the drawing, if you could.

Good luck on this one!

Yankeebiscuitfan
01-19-2006, 12:15 PM
Aren't you affraid that if you make a business out of it, the fun will disappear after a while?

sickle
01-19-2006, 06:35 PM
I'd go with 129.99 to 149.99 for models without the extras. With extras, it would all depend on the costs of said extras.

Anyway, I am definitely interested in a scale model of that Wiffle(R) field that we discussed. Of course, it wouldn't be 1:600, hopefully more like 1:150, since it's about 1/4 scale of a big-league park.

sschirmer
01-20-2006, 10:01 AM
I figure the materials (not counting the initial investment of a few tools) will run between $50-$100 (guestimate), and something like 15-25 hours labor. :eek: Any ideas? Again, thanks for inspiring me once again!

Onward! :D

First, no thanks to us, your work is fantastic! If I were to price something like this, I would mark up materials in the neighborhood of 20-25%. Putting the materials sell price around $70-125. As far as the labor goes, I generally want to make on the side what I do at work. In other words, if you make $100K per year, that's roughly $50/hr., $50K/year roughly equates to $25/hour. Using $25/hr as a model number, labor would run $375-625. All that being said, I would think anywhere from $450-600 would be fair, plus shipping and handling.

sickle
01-20-2006, 01:09 PM
No offense to the post or to the builder, but I think $450-600 is entirely too much to charge. They are great designs with great craftsmanship, but not many can afford that kind of change.

Sean O
01-20-2006, 07:56 PM
No offense to the post or to the builder, but I think $450-600 is entirely too much to charge. They are great designs with great craftsmanship, but not many can afford that kind of change.

Someone just bought the scorecard to game 4 of the 2004 World Series for $160,000. For the amount of work that goes into a model, and for the pieces involed, $450-600 is an absolute steal. Frankly, anything under $1,000 is a bargain.

I know a lot of people haven't had to make models in the past, but as someone who made scale models for several years (before I switched entirely to CAD), I can tell you how much goes into it. Nobody's fault, but until you actually do it, it's hard to fully understand.

Elvis
01-20-2006, 10:47 PM
Many thanks to everyone for the feedback so far! :) I really appreciate it.

To try and respond in order:

TW: Yes, I did new a new drawing for this one. I'll "clean it up" some and try and post it by tomorrow evening.
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YR: No, not really. Getting paid for something you like doing is the best kind job you can have. Besides, the only way I can really resume doing this is if it pays.
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Sickle: Yes, your model would be close to that 1:150 scale. In fact, 1:150 is pretty close to being about half way between HO scale and n gaugue in comparison to model trains.

Unfortunately, the price that you gave me to sell my ballpark for just isn't realistic. $130 would barely cover the cost of materials. Imagine trying to buy a new house (sans land) for just the cost of the materials and expecting the architect and construction company to work for free. I would also offer the Wedding Cake analogy. It isn't unusual to pay $500 for a wedding cake. It isn't because the flour, sugar and eggs cost that much - it's the extensive time and craftsmanship involved.
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sschirmer and sean o: Thanks for your input! Assuming I stick close to my stated costs and labor estimates, I was thinking somewhere close to $500. That would allow me to re-invest into some tools that would cut some of the time involved in construction and mainly in fabricating virtually every hand-made custom part! I'd love to be able to buy a Dremel, an airbrush and electric sander!

Ok, back to work...:dance

sickle
01-21-2006, 09:31 PM
I guess I don't fully understand the whole process, as you are much more knowledgeable in this field than I; I must admit, I have great admiration for people who can do marvels with things I don't even understand. Appreciation of another man's (or woman's) work is the utmost compliment. When some bills get paid for, I would have no problem forking up 5 bills, now that I think about it.

Elvis
01-21-2006, 10:40 PM
Ok, here's today's progress report. The main deck supports are all finished and installed, as well as an initial "retaining wall" behind them. There are 4 kinds of supports: Lower deck supports that brace the lower stands that surround the entire stadium; Pavilion supports that brace the upper home run porches and roof boxes in the outfield; Baseline supports that brace the mezzanine suites and upper deck along the baselines; 1st-3rd supports that brace the suites, upper deck and top deck behind home plate.

This is basically the "skeleton" of the stadium. None of this will show after the stadium is finisihed. The next steps will include creating supports for the outfield plaza; creating and installing the luxury suites in back of the lower deck; creating the roof boxes and roof for the outfield pavilions.

Elvis
01-21-2006, 10:48 PM
You can get the general shape of the stadium with this shot. The main grandstand and CF notch is modeled after the Polo Grounds. The "Top Deck" behind home plate is borrowed from Dodger Stadium. The "Stacked" outfield pavilions are a combination of The Ballpark in Arlington, Tiger Stadium and Old Comiskey. Only the outfield pavilions will feature posts. The main grandstand is all cantilever decks. Oh, and the press box will be tucked between the upper deck and top deck.

Elvis
01-21-2006, 11:04 PM
Here's the same overhead shot rotated, and with an outline of the field so you get a better idea.

BoofBonser26
01-22-2006, 05:13 AM
Awesome, Elvis! Thanks for the updates. Keep us posted. :D

sickle
01-22-2006, 09:34 AM
Lookin' good my man, keep up the great work!

Elvis
01-25-2006, 01:06 AM
Well, I'm making solid and steady progress these last two days. I'm actually amazed a little at how well it's looking. Today I began installing many of the pieces that will actually show after several days of just installing the internal support pieces. I was a little nervous about working with the balsa and bass wood because I had never worked with real wood in my models before, however, I was pleasantly surprised. It's easy to work with and is giving the model a level of "polished detail" that I was hoping for, but not sure I could achieve. I'm quite giddy about it frankly! :clapping

Another update tomorrow with photos... Stay tuned.

sschirmer
01-25-2006, 09:18 AM
First of all, let me say that there is noway that $450-600 is too high for what you are offering. That's a lot of labor! Matter of fact, I thought if anything, I may have been a bit low. Secondly, your work is awesome. Keep the pics coming, as I am really in awe of what you are doing. I would gladly give $500 for a Jacobs field model, if you ever do it.

Guerrero Mad Man 2715
01-25-2006, 10:11 PM
Almost looks like Petco.

Elvis
01-25-2006, 10:19 PM
First of all, let me say that there is noway that $450-600 is too high for what you are offering. That's a lot of labor! Matter of fact, I thought if anything, I may have been a bit low. Secondly, your work is awesome. Keep the pics coming, as I am really in awe of what you are doing. I would gladly give $500 for a Jacobs field model, if you ever do it.

Thanks. Yeah, a lot of labor. I'm begining to think that those figures are too low too. Not that the money is everything, but this is really going to be a museum quality piece. I've seen a some ballpark models for sale out there on the internet, but nothing like what I'm doing. Anyway, we'll see.

Some photos of the progress as promised.

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Phillie_Fan
01-27-2006, 11:41 AM
Cool stuff! Geez, if I did something like that I'd probably spend way too much time doing so. I used to build backgammon boards from leftover hardwood flooring. 30-40 hours was not uncommon for each of the five I made.

Looking forward to more pics Elvis!

Elvis
02-09-2006, 12:39 AM
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john_miku
05-29-2006, 02:21 PM
I'm a newbie to the board and I'm wondering if this project is complete?
Can I see more photos of scale models? I'm looking at starting my own and would like some ideas? Where do I even start? Thanks John

redbuck
05-29-2006, 03:35 PM
Elvis, is the website link for Ballparktour your site? And do you put photos of your work on the web anywhere? I'd love to see your collection.

As you know, I make models also, although far less polished than yours.

On my Sportparks site, I have my collection (http://rogerfweber1.tripod.com/id3.html) and drawings (http://rogerfweber1.tripod.com/id4.html) and have been contacted about some sales.

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I can't find yours online. I'm sure they would go for quite a bit of money if you offered them for sale.

Elvis
05-31-2006, 01:48 AM
Elvis, is the website link for Ballparktour your site? And do you put photos of your work on the web anywhere? I'd love to see your collection.

As you know, I make models also, although far less polished than yours.

On my Sportparks site, I have my collection (http://rogerfweber1.tripod.com/id3.html) and drawings (http://rogerfweber1.tripod.com/id4.html) and have been contacted about some sales.

Maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I can't find yours online. I'm sure they would go for quite a bit of money if you offered them for sale.

Roger,

Yes, BallparkTour (http://www.ballparktour.com) is my site. I actually don't have anything posted anywhere except the stuff I posted here. But I'll post some photos soon of the model I'm working on. It's coming along just fine, although I'm into a lot of the finishing detail work which goes slowly. I'm hoping to be completely done by the end of summer. My intention is to build and sell two to three diorama concept models a year after this. I already know from cutting my teeth on this first one, exactly what I can do to speed up the process to about half the time it's taken to do it.

I'll post some pictures here soon.

Your models and drawings are great by the way. :clapping

runningshoes
06-15-2006, 02:16 AM
You got some finished pics?

I don't think I've seen one yet.

Elvis
06-15-2006, 02:22 AM
You got some finished pics?

I don't think I've seen one yet.

These photographs were taken today.

runningshoes
06-15-2006, 02:49 AM
But this isnt your first one, right?

Can I see a finished model?

riverfrontier
06-15-2006, 04:53 AM
I couldn't describe how cool that is with simple adjectives. It would take body language. Back slaps, high fives, a 'Buddy Christ' gesture from 'Dogma' and a choreographed 'secret' handshake, followed by a simulation of Samuel L. Jackson's 'I need some money' dance from 'Jungle Fever.' (Dance fo' me Gator)

Elvis
06-15-2006, 11:19 AM
But this isnt your first one, right?

Can I see a finished model?

Actually this is the first one. The other models I built were out of cardboard (This is wood) and I never really finished any of them completely. This thread: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=37813 has some photos of those old cardboard models. The ones I'm going to be creating from now on, like this one, will be more "polished" and include a complete diorama setting when finished including trees, cars, people etc.


I couldn't describe how cool that is with simple adjectives. It would take body language. Back slaps, high fives, a 'Buddy Christ' gesture from 'Dogma' and a choreographed 'secret' handshake, followed by a simulation of Samuel L. Jackson's 'I need some money' dance from 'Jungle Fever.' (Dance fo' me Gator)

Thanks. I'm happy how it's turning out so far.

efin98
06-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Interesting design. Sort of reminds me a bit of Polo Grounds in the lower bowl and Metropolitan Stadium in the two decks...

Very well done!

Richmond Hill Phoenix
06-16-2006, 08:39 PM
Freakin sweet.

redbuck
06-20-2006, 03:07 PM
I took one of the overheads and opened it in Paint to figure out the dimensions. Looks like about 290 down the left field line, 310 down the right field line and about 475 to dead center (counting the notch), and around 430 right to the right and left of that notch.

Very interesting design.

The upper deck behind home reminds me of Dodger Stadium.

Elvis
06-20-2006, 03:21 PM
I took one of the overheads and opened it in Paint to figure out the dimensions. Looks like about 290 down the left field line, 310 down the right field line and about 475 to dead center (counting the notch), and around 430 right to the right and left of that notch.

Very interesting design.

The upper deck behind home reminds me of Dodger Stadium.

Hey, you'd make a good detective. :D Here are the actual scale dimensions:

LF foul pole: 305 ft
LF corner: 381 ft
LF "true" alley: 386 ft
LF deep alley: 399 ft
Center field notch: 462 ft
CF to the left and right of notch: 422 ft
Deep RF alley: 439 ft
RF "true" alley: 419 ft
RF corner: 393 ft
RF foul pole: 311 ft
Backstop: 50 ft

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RichardLillard1
07-22-2006, 05:47 PM
Elvis, looks fantastic. Any plans for a roof over the grandstands behind home plate?

Elvis
07-22-2006, 06:09 PM
Any plans for a roof over the grandstands behind home plate?

Yes - the next thing I do is build the roof/restaurant/team shop on the top deck. There will also be a canopy roof over the other part of the grandstand (1st and 3rd base).

RichardLillard1
07-22-2006, 06:57 PM
How does the roof get suspended like that? Cantilever? Support Posts?

Elvis
07-22-2006, 07:11 PM
How does the roof get suspended like that? Cantilever? Support Posts?

For this model I'm using cantilevers for the roofs and seating decks - no posts. The upper outfield pavilion decks are completely cantilevered, while the main grandstand decks are about halfway out on cantilevers. Take a look sometime at the roof of the old Toronto Exhibition Stadium - Now THAT'S a cantilevered roof!

Richmond Hill Phoenix
07-22-2006, 07:12 PM
Also, what did you use to make the seats?

Elvis
07-22-2006, 07:28 PM
The seats are basswood, as is most of the stadium. I used basswood 1/16" spacing "dollhouse" clapboards, which make perfect real indications of seating rows. The scale is too small (1:600) to represent actual seats themselves, so the clapboard "row" effect is perfect.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
07-22-2006, 07:36 PM
Ya, I thought you might have ordered mini seats from a hobby shop or something because they look so perfect. Great to find things like that, that fit perfectly.

Southlake CubsFan
07-22-2006, 09:47 PM
scoreboard in dead center, where that opening is?

Elvis
07-22-2006, 10:06 PM
scoreboard in dead center, where that opening is?

Yes. Nothing too big and gaudy though. Actually it will be plenty big, but I'm not putting any advertising in like I did with my old cardboard models. I want these to be more in an artistic visionary mold, so no ads anywhere. I do have a unique plan for the scoreboard though that I've never seen done anywhere before. It will be a big board supported on either side by a colonade, which will extend beyond the board itself. The colonade might run the entire legnth of the pavilions, but I'm not sure about that yet.

Elvis
07-22-2006, 11:15 PM
Ya, I thought you might have ordered mini seats from a hobby shop or something because they look so perfect. Great to find things like that, that fit perfectly.

No such animal as pre-made seats like that. Every one of those sections was cut by hand, sanded, sealed, got 3 coats of paint and 2 coats of satin varnish. Yeah, it took awhile.

efin98
07-23-2006, 11:39 AM
I am not a fan of the dimensions down the foul lines, I'd prefer them back about 10-15 feet. Frankly it's much too short without a 30'-40' wall.

I can't stand that notch in center field. You could salvage part of it with a slight angle or a Fenway-like triangle, but not something as obviously contrived as that.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
07-23-2006, 11:48 AM
How do you go about starting this? I have alot of spare time this summer, because I'm not working for the last two weeks. You can email me at circa__89@hotmail.com. Thanks alot.

RichardLillard1
07-23-2006, 01:50 PM
Once again Elvis... amazing. Do you have any blueprints I could see of it? I am curious of seeing more of the layout than what the model shows us if you have done it.

What were your basis ballparks for the design? If I am not mistaken I definately see Polo Grounds and some of Dodger Stadium.

Does the main concourse go all the way around the ballpark behind the the last rwo of the lower bowl like most modern parks?

Elvis
07-23-2006, 02:33 PM
I am not a fan of the dimensions down the foul lines, I'd prefer them back about 10-15 feet. Frankly it's much too short without a 30'-40' wall.

I can't stand that notch in center field. You could salvage part of it with a slight angle or a Fenway-like triangle, but not something as obviously contrived as that.

Actually I put those features in just to see if you'd bitch negatively about them... it worked. ;)

Elvis
07-23-2006, 03:48 PM
Once again Elvis... amazing. Do you have any blueprints I could see of it? I am curious of seeing more of the layout than what the model shows us if you have done it.

What were your basis ballparks for the design? If I am not mistaken I definately see Polo Grounds and some of Dodger Stadium.

Does the main concourse go all the way around the ballpark behind the the last rwo of the lower bowl like most modern parks?

Thanks.

No blueprints as such. I came up with this design based on an earlier design I had many years ago. I had always liked it and thought it would make an interesting and unconventional model. I basically did some rough scetches with some initial measurements and went from there. Much of what has taken shape has come "as I go along" - Just as when I paint I only have a rough idea of what the outcome should be, but as you go along the painting itself kind of decides where it wants to go. The same is true as I build these models - there is always a new direction that comes into being as I build and create. For example, I had no idea about the exterior design when I started - you just have to start, let inspiration take over and go with it.

The original seating bowl and grandstand design that I had originally drawn years ago was indeed inspired by the Polo Grounds. The "Dodger Stadium" style top deck didn't appear until I started this actual model - it wasn't part of the original scetch. The other main influence was Comiskey Park's outfield seating. This model is really a just a mish-mash of ideas I had floating around - kind of a "test run" if you will - I've never built one of these out of wood and kind of wanted to cut my teeth with some different and varied tecniques and styles. The projects that I have in mind to do next will be more cohesive in style and form - to be honest, this model is really just a practice job.

The main lower concourse is mostly hidden. It's most visible as it encircles the outfield pavilions and then dissapears into the main structure through tunnels. Other visible concourses are on the mezzanine level which is a split-level concourse with the upper part going all the way around and the Top deck concourse, currently under construction.

efin98
07-23-2006, 07:32 PM
Actually I put those features in just to see if you'd bitch negatively about them... it worked. ;)

Two of the things you complain most about in the new ballparks added, at least you aren't totally hard headed on some features;)

Great overall design, looks like it's a cross between some of the best features of a few ballparks. Nice details.

PopTop
08-01-2006, 12:11 PM
Way past cool, Elvis :clapping

Gotham
08-01-2006, 02:12 PM
That is VERY well done and the time spent and attention to detail is notable. My only input if asked would be that the foul territory is WAY to big. It's like the old Oakland configuration. The best seats in the house are a phone call away from the action.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
08-01-2006, 02:15 PM
Well, you need some foul territory. I think it's okay, considering the lack of foul territory in the OF.

Elvis
08-01-2006, 02:29 PM
That is VERY well done and the time spent and attention to detail is notable. My only input if asked would be that the foul territory is WAY to big. It's like the old Oakland configuration. The best seats in the house are a phone call away from the action.

True enough. Like I said, this isn't my "dream" ballpark. It's from an idea and drawing that I had done years ago as my "interpretation" or "spin" on the Polo Grounds. Without that circular grandstand and added foul ground, it wouldn't be true to the Polo grounds inspired design (Even though it wound up being a mish-mash of ideas in the long run). However, the backstop is only 49 ft. from home plate and the circle is tighter, so there is actually less foul territory than Oakland or the actual Polo Grounds. But liek I said, this model is really just a testing ground of design ideas and model building tecniques that I've never used before.

RichardLillard1
08-01-2006, 02:55 PM
Elvis, I think you did a wonderful job I could only immagine what it would be like to see a ballpark like that actually built for baseball. It would truly be one of the most unique in recent years and if it were made I think it would be a great ballyard for the Mets as opposed to their new cookie-cutter design.

Mind if I PM you and send you a couple pictures of my ideas for your review? I would really appreciate another's view on my design.

Elvis
08-01-2006, 04:10 PM
Elvis, I think you did a wonderful job I could only immagine what it would be like to see a ballpark like that actually built for baseball. It would truly be one of the most unique in recent years and if it were made I think it would be a great ballyard for the Mets as opposed to their new cookie-cutter design.

Mind if I PM you and send you a couple pictures of my ideas for your review? I would really appreciate another's view on my design.

Sure, I'd be happy to.:gt

rwolfe09
08-01-2006, 05:09 PM
How do you make things like that? That's been something that I've wanted to try doing for the longest time, just didn't know what I needed to use to make it.

Elvis
08-01-2006, 06:30 PM
How do you make things like that? That's been something that I've wanted to try doing for the longest time, just didn't know what I needed to use to make it.

Start with something simple. Don't try a curved grandstand at first--it's more trickey to pull off. If you tell me what your basic design is like I can probably send you some basic paterns for the support sections which make up the skeleton of the stadium and more detailed instructions.

My first stadium was a simple 2-deck design with no club level. After you practice making them, you will automatically become more and more adventurous and daring in your designs and plans once you "master" the basics.

My STRONG advice is to try constructing a smaller straight "cutaway" practice section of a stadium first. It will give you a general idea of the way they're built using the support pieces.

I need to know what scale you want to do, and how many decks and about what size of each deck and how many suite levels and where you want them, how big a roof etc. The more details the better.

I'd highly recommend you start with a hardwood base and just use corregated cardboard, andheavy cardstock for the practice section. This will give you a good idea of how their made and only cost you pennies. Acryilc craft paint works well and is really cheap too. For cutting out the pieces just get a good exacto-type knife and a pair of heavy-duty scissors. A hot-glue gun and some craft glue is all you'l need for assembly.

Just tell me more details and I can get the ball rolling.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
08-01-2006, 06:40 PM
I was also thinking of starting something like this. I was thinking of making a minor-league-type stadium with a two-deck grandstand and simple outfield bleachers. When you make your stadiums, do you include details in the concourse, like concessions??

rwolfe09
08-01-2006, 06:54 PM
Elvis, I just need whatever is easy to get me started. It doesn't matter to me how big or small the stadium is.

Elvis
08-01-2006, 09:44 PM
Elvis, I just need whatever is easy to get me started. It doesn't matter to me how big or small the stadium is.

Well then you might as well do the same scale I'm doing, 1:600. That means that 1 inch = 50 ft. I start out doing a traditional overhead seating diagram and field layout with dimensions. I do this on a half-scale from the model, so 1 inch = 100 ft. Just use a pencil, ruler and some graph paper. Then do a side view cutaway, laying out the deck designs--depth, rake (pitch), number of levels etc. once you do all that and are happy with the design, it will be much easier to transfer all those measurements to the actual model. It's much better to work out all the kinks and mistakes on paper (blueprints), than it is to realise you don't like something after you've started construction.

That's step 1. :gt

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I was also thinking of starting something like this. I was thinking of making a minor-league-type stadium with a two-deck grandstand and simple outfield bleachers. When you make your stadiums, do you include details in the concourse, like concessions??

Some, but not too much. Remember, the amount of detail must be relative to the scale! Larger scale = more detail. Smaller scale = less detail.

With my scale, I will be including some things like a few concession stands on the concourses, but they will be mostly just painted shapes--indications if you will. It's just like paintings--the closer something is to you, the more detail--the farther away, the less detail. If I was doing a larger scale I would be adding more detail. Any smaller scale and I would omit the stands altogether. Remember, in order for the model to be "right", the amount of detail must be consistant throughout the piece, or it just won't look right.

RichardLillard1
08-02-2006, 01:07 AM
Elvis,

PM sent. By the way, what are those metallic roofs for? Anything Special?

rwolfe09
08-02-2006, 01:59 PM
Elvis could you shoot me an email (rwolfe09@rochester.rr.com) and give me the steps to making a cardboard stadium? Thanks soo much for the help

tommybaseball
08-09-2006, 09:31 AM
Great model ballpark Elvis! What will you use for the grass and dirt. Let me suggest 3M sandpaper for the infield dirt and noch grass (Germany) from a model train store. The texture is incredible. Check out this site:
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/noc/noc50190.htm?source=froogle

This is what I used for my model ballpark that I use to play my Strat-O-Matic Baseball games in.

tommybaseball
08-09-2006, 09:36 AM
Here's another view of the ballpark before I installed the lights.

Elvis
08-12-2006, 10:10 PM
Great model ballpark Elvis! What will you use for the grass and dirt. Let me suggest 3M sandpaper for the infield dirt and noch grass (Germany) from a model train store. The texture is incredible. Check out this site:
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/noc/noc50190.htm?source=froogle

This is what I used for my model ballpark that I use to play my Strat-O-Matic Baseball games in.

Thanks VERY much for that tip! I had been concerned about the field and I'm definitely going to check that out. It looks perfect!

Knick9
08-14-2006, 10:20 PM
That sounds like a good idea to me. It looks like a more realistic playing field by adding the sand paper notch to it. Elvis, I think it will help you out alot.

tommybaseball
08-15-2006, 12:13 PM
Elvis,
How do you get the stands to curve like that? I'm working on a pseudo Polo Grounds since my little son practically demolished my Strat Park and I'd like to do a semi-arc with runways. I'm going to leave one side of it undone and open so that I can put my scorecard and have elbow room for rolling the dice.
Also, my dream project would be to do a version of Yankee Stadium. Any tips on making the facade out balsa wood?

Elvis
08-15-2006, 12:45 PM
Elvis,
How do you get the stands to curve like that? I'm working on a pseudo Polo Grounds since my little son practically demolished my Strat Park and I'd like to do a semi-arc with runways. I'm going to leave one side of it undone and open so that I can put my scorecard and have elbow room for rolling the dice.
Also, my dream project would be to do a version of Yankee Stadium. Any tips on making the facade out balsa wood?

To make the stands curved you lay out your arc with a compass and mark the centerpoint. Then you attach the support sections to the base at equal intervals along the arc and aligned so they point to the centerpoint. You're basically building it the same way they build a real stadium. See post #9 of this thread and click on the February attachments to see this illustrated.

For the Yankee Stadium frieze (facade) it all depends on how much detail you need. I'd use basswood over balsa for it. Balsa has a higher tendancy to chip easily, especially for curved designs. Just design a template section out of cardstock, then trace the design onto the wood. I would avoid putting in too much detail unless it's a very large scale.

RichardLillard1
08-15-2006, 03:42 PM
Hey Elvis what are the metallic roofs on the model meant to represent? Are they anything special or just for decoration?

Elvis
08-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Hey Elvis what are the metallic roofs on the model meant to represent? Are they anything special or just for decoration?

The metalic roofs are now covered up, Richard. I decided I didn't like it. The roofs now have the same "sand" color as the other trim, however, I left the raised parts of the roofs metalic silver and now it looks awesome! I'll try and post some updated photos later in the week.

Elvis
09-04-2006, 01:02 AM
Some updated photos on progress.
Nowhere near finished. Note the scoreboard suspended in the colonades in CF.
:D

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RichardLillard1
09-04-2006, 12:47 PM
Nothing but "oohs" and "ahs" from this end Elvis. I love the look now of the metallic trim on the roofs.

The scoreboard reminds me of Kaufman, is that what you were aiming for?

By the way, if you could build this stadium anywhere, where would you build it?

Elvis
09-06-2006, 12:00 AM
Nothing but "oohs" and "ahs" from this end Elvis. I love the look now of the metallic trim on the roofs.

The scoreboard reminds me of Kaufman, is that what you were aiming for?

By the way, if you could build this stadium anywhere, where would you build it?

Thanks. Royals Stadium wasn't the inspiration, although I have always liked their outfield light "colonades". Actually, I'm just a sucker for colonades. My earliest memories of being awed by a "stadium" was the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood. To me it's still the most beautiful design for an arena or stadium. Classic, uncomplicated and beautiful. So I have always loved that design element and use it whenever I can. Here, in the outfield.

I've never really given any thought to a location to build it. Anywhere they loved baseball, I guess.

Elvis
09-06-2006, 12:03 AM
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Installed pressbox--suspended from mezzannine deck.

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Richmond Hill Phoenix
09-06-2006, 12:38 PM
What's the scale? Like, how big is it in relation to your hand (as an arbitrary, average measurment). I think that I am thinking it is bigger than it actually is.

Elvis
09-06-2006, 01:44 PM
What's the scale? Like, how big is it in relation to your hand (as an arbitrary, average measurment). I think that I am thinking it is bigger than it actually is.

The scale's 1:600. Not sure how to answer the hand question. Post #61 has a photo with two pencils laying on the base, maybe that will give you an idea. The stadium is about 18" wide and the base is 24" square.

Richmond Hill Phoenix
09-06-2006, 01:56 PM
Thanks. The pencils helped. I thought it was bigger... But all the better. The detail must be difficult, with such a small scale! I have even more respect for this stadium (and it's builder) now. :clapping

Padday
09-08-2006, 08:25 AM
When I saw the picture with the pencils, I thought that the pencils must be quite large as I couldn't comprehend as to how so much detail could be fit into something that small.:clapping

PopTop
09-11-2006, 01:25 PM
Elvis, thanks for updating your work with the photos. Echoing my previous sentiments - Really love the design and have nothing but utmost respect and admiration for the patience you must have to put this together :cool:

Only1decoy
09-18-2006, 11:03 AM
i am making a model for my senior project
yankee stadium
can you help me start it out?
i want to use the same scale as your model in this thread

Elvis
09-30-2006, 10:28 AM
i am making a model for my senior project
yankee stadium
can you help me start it out?
i want to use the same scale as your model in this thread

Sorry, I just saw this. :o What do you need help with?

Steve24
10-12-2006, 11:52 AM
Luv the work you are doing on that stadium Elvis. I just retired after 30 years with a local government agency and now have the time to do retirement stuff. I used to be a model builder back in my younger days. I want to build a replica of Wrigley Field in Chicago. Have been searching he internet for info and ran across this site. Got lots of questions for you Elvis. You are really doing a great job on the stadium. I would like to build one about the same size. I have ordered a paper model kit of Wrigley Field in Chicago and will take a look at it and maybe get some ideas on how to proceed to build a wooden model. I would like to make one about the same size as you are doing out of probably balsa wood. Will be stopping in from time to time to check on your progress and have LOTS of questions.

Steve retired in Tampa Florida

Elvis
10-12-2006, 09:14 PM
Luv the work you are doing on that stadium Elvis. I just retired after 30 years with a local government agency and now have the time to do retirement stuff. I used to be a model builder back in my younger days. I want to build a replica of Wrigley Field in Chicago. Have been searching he internet for info and ran across this site. Got lots of questions for you Elvis. You are really doing a great job on the stadium. I would like to build one about the same size. I have ordered a paper model kit of Wrigley Field in Chicago and will take a look at it and maybe get some ideas on how to proceed to build a wooden model. I would like to make one about the same size as you are doing out of probably balsa wood. Will be stopping in from time to time to check on your progress and have LOTS of questions.

Steve retired in Tampa Florida

Hi Steve. :waving Thanks and welcome.

What kind of models did you used to build?

I'd be glad to help in any way I can and answer any questions you may have. I must warn you, I'm basically self-taught so don't expect any fancy engineering terms from me. :D Also, I'm still learning some things as I go - but it's working fine and looking good. I've also never designed nor built a replica, so I'm not sure what exactly you need to replicate an existing stadium, but I can help with whatever I can.

:gt

Steve24
10-13-2006, 07:44 AM
Hi Steve. :waving Thanks and welcome.

What kind of models did you used to build?

I'd be glad to help in any way I can and answer any questions you may have. I must warn you, I'm basically self-taught so don't expect any fancy engineering terms from me. :D Also, I'm still learning some things as I go - but it's working fine and looking good. I've also never designed nor built a replica, so I'm not sure what exactly you need to replicate an existing stadium, but I can help with whatever I can.

:gt

for the offer of help. I used to build kit models. Some wooden (ships, airplanes) some plastic (ships, cars, airplanes). And think you might have missed your calling looks to me like you would have made a heck of an engineer. I am still waiting on my paper model of Wrigley Field to arrive and am still looking around the internet to see if a wooden model of Wrigley Field might be available in kit form. I will keep you informed once I get started on my project. I really like what you have done with your dream stadium it looks really really good....great job you are doing with it.