Top Pitchers of All Time Poll-#18

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This is the 18th installment of the pitcher polls. The rules are simple, submit your top 10 pitcher list (minus already elected pitchers, which I"ll get to in a minute). Lists must be clearly numbered 1-10 and please make it easy to identify who you're voting for. 12 points will be awarded to your #1 selection, 9 to #2, 8 to #3, 7 to #4, and so on. The pitcher with the most points will win the poll. In the event of a tie, the pitcher with the most first place votes will win. In the event that they have the same amount of first place votes as well, we'll have a runoff poll that lasts two days between the two tied pitchers. Also, if you make any really strange decisions, you'll be asked to justify them. If you don't justify them, then your ballot won't be counted. So far we have elected these 10 pitchers:

1.Walter Johnson
2.Roger Clemens
3.Lefty Grove
4.Cy Young
5.Pete Alexander
6.Christy Mathewson
7.Greg Maddux
8.Tom Seaver
9.Warren Spahn
10.Satchel Paige
11.Randy Johnson
12.Bob Feller
13.Kid Nichols
14.Bob Gibson
15.Steve Carlton
16.Pedro Martinez
17.Smokey Joe Williams

Last poll there were 11 ballots submitted, and Williams emerged as our second Negro Leaguer selected. His only real challege was from Juan Marichal. These were the top 12 vote getters (first place votes in parenthesis):

Smokey Joe Williams-97 (5)
Juan Marichal-83 (2)
Sandy Koufax-68 (1)
Carl Hubbell-62 (1)
Mordecai Brown-52
Whitey Ford-40 (1)
Robin Roberts-36
Jim Palmer-26
Nolan Ryan-26
Ed Walsh-18
John Clarkson-16
Tim Keefe-15 (1)

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1.Robin Roberts
2.Juan Marichal
3.Carl Hubbell
4.Sandy Koufax
5.Gaylord Perry
6.Dazzy Vance
7.Fergie Jenkins
8.Jim Palmer
9.Whitey Ford
10.Ed Walsh

[abacab]

1. Sandy Koufax
2. Carl Hubbell
3. Jim Palmer
4. Juan Marichal
5. Ed Walsh
6. Whitey Ford
7. Robin Roberts
8. Nolan Ryan
9. Three Finger Brown
10. Gaylord Perry

[Captain Cold Nose]

1. Koufax
2. Brown
3. Marichal
4. Hubbell
5. Walsh
6. Clarkson
7. Roberts
8. Keefe
9. Rogan
10. Plank

[mac195]

1. Juan Marichal
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Whitey Ford
4. Jim Palmer
5. Carl Hubbell
6. Robin Roberts
7. Dazzy Vance
8. Nolan Ryan
9. Ed Walsh
10. Mordecai Brown

[leecemark]

1) Marichal
2) Koufax
3) Hubbell
4) Roberts
5) Palmer
6) Newhouser
7) Vance
8) Walsh
9) Ford
10) Ryan

[dgarza]

1. Tim Keefe
2. John Clarkson
3. Nolan Ryan
4. Whitey Ford
5. Eddie Plank
6. Carl Hubbell
7. Al Spalding
8. Sandy Koufax
9. Mordecai Brown
10. Jim Palmer

[Bill Burgess]

Pitchers:

Pre - 1900: Tim Keefe, John "Monte" Ward, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Jim "Pud" Galvin, Mickey Welch, Sadie McMahon, Jim McCormick, Charlie "Hoss" Radbourne, Amos Rusie, Jim Whitney, Larry Corcoran, Al Spalding, Cy Young, Kid Nichols, Charlie Ferguson.

1900-1930: Christy Mathewson, Rube Waddell, Mordecai Brown, Addie Joss, Ed Walsh, Walter Johnson, Grover Alexander, Eddie Plank, Joe McGinnity, Chief Bender, Ed Reulbach, Nap Rucker, Wilbur Cooper, Deacon Phillippe, Dazzy Vance, Stan Coveleski, Herb Pennock, Carl Mays, Ed Cicotte, Bill Dinneen, Ted Lyons, Eppa Rixey, Vic Willis, Hippo Vaughn, Dutch Leonard, Urban Shocker, Burleigh Grimes, Doc White, Nick Altrock, Sam Jones, Jack Coombs, Joe Wood, Jack Chesbro, Jim Bagby, Bullet Joe Bush, Waite Hoyt, Red Faber, Bob Shawkey, Ray Caldwell, Ray Collins, George Mogridge, Earl Hamilton, George Uhle, Eddie Rommel, Lefty Grove,

1930-1960: Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell, Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts, Wes Ferrell, Bob Lemon, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Red Ruffing, Bucky Walters, Early Wynn, Billy Pierce, Warren Spahn, Bob Feller, Don Newcombe, Tommy Bridges, Lon Warneke, Mel Harder and Harry Breechen, Bobby Shantz.

1960-1980: Nolan Ryan, Gaylord Perry, Steve Carlton, Sandy Koufax, Juan Marichal, Bob Gibson, Phil Niekro, Jim "Catfish" Hunter, Ferguson Jenkins, Wilbur Wood, Don Drysdale, Tom Seaver, Jim Bunning, Mickey Lolich, Luis Tiant, Sparky Lyle, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Dave Stieb, Bert Blyleven, Lew Burdette, Curt Simmons, Harvey Haddix, Johnny Antonelli, Vern Law, Bob Purkey, Johnny Podres, Joe Nuxhall, Ron Perranoski, Bob Veale, Dick Ellsworth, Jim Maloney, Chris Short, Bob Friend, Jim Palmer, Milt Pappas, Jerry Koosman, Dock Ellis, Sam McDowell.

1980-Present: Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Curt Schilling, Jack Morris, Kevin Brown, John Smoltz, Mike Mussina, Tom Glavine, Mariano Rivera.

Negro Leagues:
Robert Leroy "Satchel" Paige, 1926-1967
"Smokey Joe" Williams, 1905-1932
Wilbur "Bullet Joe" Rogan, 1917-38
"Cannonball" Dick Redding, 1911-38
Dave Brown, 1918-1925
Andrew "Rube" Foster, 1902-1926
Bill Foster, 1923-38
Ray Brown, 1930-1948

[Bill Burgess]

1. Juan Marichal
2. Mordecai Brown
3. Addie Joss
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Amos Rusie
6. Rube Waddell
7. Sandy Koufax
8. Eddie Plank
9. "Bullet Joe" Rogan, NL
10. Dazzy Vance
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Coming up in my queue:

11. Urban Shocker.
12. Hoyt Wilhelm
13. Ed Walsh
14. Carl Mays
15. Charles "Old Hoss" Radbourne
16. Carl Hubbell
17. Whitey Ford
18. John Clarkson
19. Tim Keefe
20. "Monte" Ward
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21. Jim Palmer
22. Robin Roberts
23. Herb Pennock
24. Dizzy Dean
25. Catfish Hunter
26. Ferguson Jenkins
27. Don Sutton
28. Don Drysdale
29. Gaylord Perry
30. Phil Niekro
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31. Ted Lyons
32. Wes Ferrell
33. Bob Lemon
34. Clark Griffth

[Blackout]

1 Whitey Ford
2 Sandy Koufax
3 Mordecai Brown
4 Juan Marichel
5 Mariano Rivera
6 "Bullet" Joe Rogan
7 Jose Mendez
8 Carl Hubbel
9 Nolan Ryan
10 Rube Waddell

[Twisted Wicker]

1. Juan Marichal
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Mordecai Brown
4. Rube Waddell
5. Carl Hubbell
6. Robin Roberts
7. Jim Palmer
8. Ed Walsh
9. Hal Newhouser
10. "Bullet" Rogan

[Matthew C.]

1. Carl Hubbell
2. Mordecai Brown
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Whitey Ford
5. Jim Palmer
6. Juan Marichal
7. John Clarkson
8. Eddie Plank
9. Ed Walsh
10.Tim Keefe

11. Nolan Ryan
12. Gaylord Perry
13. Joe Rogan
14. Robin Roberts
15. Dennis Eckersley
16. Rube Waddell
17. Fergie Jenkins
18. Hoyt Wilhelm
19. Bert Blyleven
20. Stan Coveleski
21. Charles Radbourne
22. Tom Glavine
23. Phil Niekro
24. Joe McGinnity
25. Addie Joss
26. Dazzy Vance
27. Hal Newhouser
28. Don Drysdale
29. Mariano Rivera
30. Dizzy Dean
31. Lefty Gomez
32. Goose Gossasge
33. Bob Lemon

[baseballPAP]

1-Mordecai Brown
2-Juan Marichal
3-Nolan Ryan
4-Robin Roberts
5-Dazzy Vance
6-Carl Hubbell
7-Ed Walsh
8-Rube Foster
9-Sandy Koufax
10-Masaichi Kaneda (the Japanese Cy Young....over 700 decisions career, 400+ wins)

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Negro Leagues:
Robert Leroy "Satchel" Paige, 1926-1967
"Smokey Joe" Williams, 1905-1932
Wilbur "Bullet Joe" Rogan, 1917-38
"Cannonball" Dick Redding, 1911-38
Dave Brown, 1918-1925
Andrew "Rube" Foster, 1902-1926
Bill Foster, 1923-38

Bill, might want to add Ray Brown (1930-1948) on there. Most people have him as either the 4th or 5th best Negro League pitcher (I have him 4th).

[Bill Burgess]

Bill, might want to add Ray Brown (1930-1948) on there. Most people have him as either the 4th or 5th best Negro League pitcher (I have him 4th).

Done. Good idea, Chris. Thanks for the suggestion.

Bill

[Myankee4life]

1.Marichal
2.Koufax
3.Roberts
4.Ford
5.Hubbel
6.Brown
7.Plank
8.Walsh
9.Ryan
10. Palmer

[abacab]

Rank in this poll....name.....rank in last poll....difference

1... Walter Johnson......1.......0
2....Roger Clemens.......5......+3
3....Lefty Grove.........2......-1
4....Cy Young............4.......0
5....Pete Alexander......6......+1
6....Christy Mathewson...3......-3
7....Greg Maddux.........7.......0
8....Tom Seaver.........10......+2
9....Warren Spahn........8......-1
10...Satchel Paige.......9......-1
11...Randy Johnson......11.......0
12...Bob Feller.........13......+1
13...Kid Nichols........14......+1
14...Bob Gibson.........15......+1
15...Steve Carlton......16(T)...+1
16...Pedro Martinez.....18......+2
17...Joe Williams.......25......+8

[Edgartohof]

1. Sandy Koufax
2. Nolan Ryan
3. Juan Marichal
4. Robin Roberts
5. Carl Hubbell
6. Mordecai Brown
7. Jim Palmer
8. Dazzy Vance
9. Whitey Ford
10. Ed Walsh

[christian gentleman]

I can't believe that koufax isn't on this list already.

1. sandy koufax
2. whitey ford
3. nolan ryan
4. amos rusie
5. addie joss
6. mordecai brown
7. juan marichal
8. rube waddell
9. dazzy vance
10. jim palmer

[KCGHOST]

1. Clarkson
2. Keefe
3. Rusie
4. Hubbell
5. Ford
6. Newhouser
7. M. Brown
8. Marichal
9. Koufax
10. Palmer

[iPod]

I usually won't vote on these but I can't believe that Marichal is actually threatening to finish above Koufax. So...

1) Marichal
2) Hubbell
3) Roberts
4) Ryan
5) Kaneda
6) Bullet Joe Rogan
7) Fingers
8) Quisenberry
9) Ford
10) Koufax

[yanks0714]

I usually won't vote on these but I can't believe that Marichal is actually threatening to finish above Koufax. So...

1) Marichal
2) Hubbell
3) Roberts
4) Ryan
5) Kaneda
6) Bullet Joe Rogan
7) Fingers
8) Quisenberry
9) Ford
10) Koufax

The ONLY way Koufax should ever finish ahead of Marichal is when ramking the players by 'peak' only. Even then Sandy isn't as far ahead of Juan as you might think.

[iPod]

The ONLY way Koufax should ever finish ahead of Marichal is when ramking the players by 'peak' only. Even then Sandy isn't as far ahead of Juan as you might think.

(Shhhh. I know.)

[RuthMayBond]

This is the 18th installment of the pitcher polls. The rules are simple, submit your top 10 pitcher list (minus already elected pitchers, which I"ll get to in a minute). Lists must be clearly numbered 1-10 and please make it easy to identify who you're voting for. 12 points will be awarded to your #1 selection, 9 to #2, 8 to #3, 7 to #4, and so on. The pitcher with the most points will win the poll. In the event of a tie, the pitcher with the most first place votes will win. In the event that they have the same amount of first place votes as well, we'll have a runoff poll that lasts two days between the two tied pitchers. Also, if you make any really strange decisions, you'll be asked to justify them. If you don't justify them, then your ballot won't be counted. So far we have elected these 10 pitchers:

1.Walter Johnson
2.Roger Clemens
3.Lefty Grove
4.Cy Young
5.Pete Alexander
6.Christy Mathewson
7.Greg Maddux
8.Tom Seaver
9.Warren Spahn
10.Satchel Paige
11.Randy Johnson
12.Bob Feller
13.Kid Nichols
14.Bob Gibson
15.Steve Carlton
16.Pedro Martinez
17.Smokey Joe WilliamsI'll take
1.Hubbell
2.Walsh
3.Keefe
4.Clarkson
5.GaPerry
6.Plank
7.Blyleven
8.PNiekro
9.Rusie
10.Waddell
Burgess, myankee4life, Christian gentleman, waddup with HUBBELL?

[Bill Burgess]

Burgess, myankee4life, Christian gentleman, waddup with HUBBELL?
Patience, my good man. His day is coming. He's in the queue. Somewhere.

BB

[RuthMayBond]

Patience, my good man. His day is coming. He's in the queue. Somewhere.

BBHe's already overdue, and the sad thing is he probably won't be elected until AFTER Koufax :grouchy

[Bill Burgess]

He's already overdue, and the sad thing is he probably won't be elected until AFTER Koufax :grouchy
"There, there. Let Daddy kiss the boo boo."

[RuthMayBond]

"There, there. Let Daddy kiss the boo boo."You wanna kiss the guys that are voting for Koufax? :laugh

[Bill Burgess]

You wanna kiss the guys that are voting for Koufax? :laugh
I don't think so, Jeff. Gotta draw the line. Now if perhaps they have girlfriends . . . we might have important matters to discuss.

Bill Burgess

[RuthMayBond]

Now if perhaps they have girlfriends . . . we might have important matters to discuss.

Bill BurgessBill, you are ALWAYS thinking :rolleyes: :dance :cool: :waving :p ;) :clapping :D :coffee :laugh

[Bill Burgess]

Bill, you are ALWAYS thinking :rolleyes: :dance :cool: :waving :p ;) :clapping :D :coffee :laugh
Mighty proud to say I'm mighty proud to say, my good friend.

Bill

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This poll is closed.

Bill, I agree with RMB. Why no respect for the Meal Ticket? Leaving him off your ballot is a very controversial choice at this point that could use justification.

[Bill Burgess]

This poll is closed.

Bill, I agree with RMB. Why no respect for the Meal Ticket? Leaving him off your ballot is a very controversial choice at this point that could use justification.

Perhaps you are right. Maybe I have been unfair to the Meal Ticket. Here is my revised order. I have moved him up, but there are still better yet pitchers ahead of him in the queue. Carl must await his due turn.

1. Juan Marichal
2. Mordecai Brown
3. Addie Joss
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Amos Rusie
6. Rube Waddell
7. Sandy Koufax
8. Eddie Plank
9. "Bullet Joe" Rogan, NL
10. Dazzy Vance
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Coming up in my queue:

11. Carl Hubbell
12. Hoyt Wilhelm
13. Ed Walsh
14. Carl Mays
15. Charles "Old Hoss" Radbourne
16. Urban Shocker
17. Whitey Ford
18. John Clarkson
19. Tim Keefe
20. "Monte" Ward

[Brew Fan]

1. Pete Alexander
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Walter Johnson
4. Lefty Grove
5. Roger Clemens
6. Tom Seaver
7. Pedro Matinez
8. Cy Young
9. Randy Johnson
10. Christy Mathewson


http://baseballgm.blogspot.com

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1. Pete Alexander
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Walter Johnson
4. Lefty Grove
5. Roger Clemens
6. Tom Seaver
7. Pedro Matinez
8. Cy Young
9. Randy Johnson
10. Christy Mathewson


http://baseballgm.blogspot.com

This poll is closed already anyway, but for future reference we're only voting on pitchers who haven't been elected. Check post #1 for a list of elected pitchers. Everyone on your list but Koufax has already been elected.

[RuthMayBond]

Perhaps you are right. Maybe I have been unfair to the Meal Ticket. Here is my revised order. I have moved him up, but there are still better yet pitchers ahead of him in the queue. Carl must await his due turn.

1. Juan Marichal
2. Mordecai Brown
3. Addie Joss
4. Nolan Ryan
5. Amos Rusie
6. Rube Waddell
7. Sandy Koufax
8. Eddie Plank
9. "Bullet Joe" Rogan, NL
10. Dazzy Vance
----------------------------Don't strain yourself :D

[KCGHOST]

1. Clarkson
2. Keefe
3. Rusie
4. Hubbell
5. Ford
6. Newhouser
7. M. Brown
8. Marichal
9. Koufax
10. Palmer

[Myankee4life]

Yea I probably have Hubbel too low. On the next poll he's moving up ;) .

[538280]

1. Clarkson
2. Keefe
3. Rusie
4. Hubbell
5. Ford
6. Newhouser
7. M. Brown
8. Marichal
9. Koufax
10. Palmer

Hey, man, there's another poll going. Trasfer this ballot there. Marichal was elected this poll.

[SABR Steve]

Ask yourself who's career would you rather have. Since WWII, Warren Spahn tops them all.

[RuthMayBond]

Ask yourself who's career would you rather have. Since WWII, Warren Spahn tops them all.Let's introduce you to Mr. Clemens :D