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Joltin Joe Giradio
06-22-2006, 01:27 PM
I don't understand Willie's philosophy regarding the bullpen. First, in April and May, he pitches Sanchez and Heilman nearly every game. Then when he realizes he was wearing them down (no surprise), he starts giving them less work. Now, he's going to Bradford and Feliciano almost every game instead.

Sanchez has barely pitched lately even though Willie has warmed him up the last two games.

So I guess he's gonna wear down Bradford and Feliciano and then go back to wearing down Sanchez and Heilman?

VIBaseball
06-22-2006, 08:22 PM
I agree just a little, Joe. Leaving Wagner aside, I took a look at the overall numbers and patterns to date:

Sanchez: 33 G, 40.2 IP. 11 G in April, 15 in May, 7 in June. But his start was so insanely good he had to level off.

Heilman: 33 G, 40 IP (almost identical with Sanchez). 12 G in April, 11 in April, 10 in June -- but only one two-inning appearance. I think Willie has been righ to back away from him a little.

Bradford: 30 G, 23.1 IP (not including tonight). 10 G in April, 12 in April, 8 in June. He's always been a specialist throughout his career -- lifetime he has fewer IP than G, so he's hardly ever going to wear down from overuse.

Feliciano: 28 G, 26.1 IP. 6 G in April, 12 in April, 10 in June. Also a specialist (IP < G). I regard his greater usage as a marker of his reliability -- I don't think he'll get burned out with his workload.

I think the overall balance is better than you give Willie credit for. He's just not going to use Bradford in Felciano in longer stints. I think the other important ingredient is:

Oliver: 21 G, 36.2 IP. 8 G in April, 7 in April, 6 in June. Heckuva comeback season after not pitching in the majors last year!

Heath Bell is now occupying the Jorge Julio slot. I think the structure of the Mets bullpen -- with so many different arm angles and looks -- is one of the things Omar Minaya deserves credit for.

VIBaseball
06-23-2006, 09:50 PM
Maybe I agree a little more, Joe -- the way Sanchez left the game tonight made me cringe. But it could just have been a normal-course injury. At any rate, let's all hope it's not serious.

Solair Wright
06-23-2006, 09:53 PM
Uh-oh. Big uh-oh. He tore his rotator cuff, and my uncle (a big Mets fan) said he could be out...FOR THE YEAR! NO! NO! NOOO! Okay, that's out of my system. Maybe it's a good idea to get John Maine back to the Mets, but in relief until he's ready.

Baseball Guru
06-24-2006, 03:17 AM
Uh-oh. Big uh-oh. He tore his rotator cuff, and my uncle (a big Mets fan) said he could be out...FOR THE YEAR! NO! NO! NOOO! Okay, that's out of my system. Maybe it's a good idea to get John Maine back to the Mets, but in relief until he's ready.

Where did you hear or see that he tore his rotator cuff?

They had no report of that during the game and I havent seen anything on the wire on it... He's supposed to have an MRI on it today and they aren't sure what it is...


Sanchez said he felt the sensation and some tingling in his fingertips after the second pitch he threw in the eighth inning after he had relieved Tom Glavine. Rather than chance an injury, he departed.

Fellow pitchers told Sanchez they had similar experiences, though not any involving the neck. He was encouraging by their words, and by how he felt after the game. Strength tests administered after his removal indicated he hadn't lost strength in his arm.

--from: http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060623&content_id=1519736&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym
(posted at 12:19 am)

Mattingly
06-24-2006, 06:13 AM
Perhaps Willie is taking after his managerial mentor, Joe Torre, who has often been accused of having his favorites, especially amongst vets.

For Torre, Scott Proctor has been used excessively and Mariano Rivera has been called into games that, had better-rested relievers been called in and done their job, might not have been necessary in the 8th inning. Meanwhile, until recently, Ron Villone has been used primarily for mopup duty.

Perhaps the pitch coach, bench coach or bullpen coach may need to remind him as to who's fresher and available to work, and rather than overusing some and leaving others rusty, he could mix nad match based upon the burden of work being shared more evenly.

tripledup22
06-24-2006, 12:42 PM
I don't understand Willie's philosophy regarding the bullpen. First, in April and May, he pitches Sanchez and Heilman nearly every game. Then when he realizes he was wearing them down (no surprise), he starts giving them less work. Now, he's going to Bradford and Feliciano almost every game instead.

Sanchez has barely pitched lately even though Willie has warmed him up the last two games.

So I guess he's gonna wear down Bradford and Feliciano and then go back to wearing down Sanchez and Heilman? y does it matter the mets have the worst bullpen to bad billys old from the biggest yankee fan:atthepc

Joltin Joe Giradio
07-02-2006, 08:20 PM
I agree just a little, Joe. Leaving Wagner aside, I took a look at the overall numbers and patterns to date:

Sanchez: 33 G, 40.2 IP. 11 G in April, 15 in May, 7 in June. But his start was so insanely good he had to level off.

Heilman: 33 G, 40 IP (almost identical with Sanchez). 12 G in April, 11 in April, 10 in June -- but only one two-inning appearance. I think Willie has been righ to back away from him a little.

Bradford: 30 G, 23.1 IP (not including tonight). 10 G in April, 12 in April, 8 in June. He's always been a specialist throughout his career -- lifetime he has fewer IP than G, so he's hardly ever going to wear down from overuse.

Feliciano: 28 G, 26.1 IP. 6 G in April, 12 in April, 10 in June. Also a specialist (IP < G). I regard his greater usage as a marker of his reliability -- I don't think he'll get burned out with his workload.

I think the overall balance is better than you give Willie credit for. He's just not going to use Bradford in Felciano in longer stints. I think the other important ingredient is:

Oliver: 21 G, 36.2 IP. 8 G in April, 7 in April, 6 in June. Heckuva comeback season after not pitching in the majors last year!

Heath Bell is now occupying the Jorge Julio slot. I think the structure of the Mets bullpen -- with so many different arm angles and looks -- is one of the things Omar Minaya deserves credit for.

My beef is not so much appearance per month, because that number can be misleading since the number doesn't give you information on how the appearances were spread out. My beef is that during shorter periods, Willie tends to go with the same guys instead of spreading appearances around. For example, in one week, he might keep going to sanchez or heilman, and then the next week, he will go with feliciano and bradford. Instead of spreading outings out fairly evenly, Willie likes to make RPs work in spurts.

*NOTE* I have not checked the stats, it is just my impression from following the team.

Another thing that I absolutely detest is that Willie likes to leaves guys in for too long. He loves warming guys up and not bringing them in.

Mattingly
07-03-2006, 08:55 AM
Another thing that I absolutely detest is that Willie likes to leaves guys in for too long. He loves warming guys up and not bringing them in.
I'm not too sure who was warming last night, but I can see shades of Joe Torre from years past in Willie last night. After Alay Soler gave up the slam to A-Rod, I thought that he could've been taken out. If not then, the double by Posada should've been a sign that trouble was brewing.

As to comments that he overuses some guys and keeps others rusty, I believe that would be a Torre sign also. However, Torre is finally learning, as I believe that Willie needs to learn that you can't overuse some guys then keep others rusty. Even the lesser-used mopup guys, if they've done well in those situations, should be given an inning or two when a pitcher hasn't done well. The mopup guys should be able to do some longman work and if they perform well, they've earned the manager's trust.