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Westlake
02-22-2007, 07:35 PM
You take him, I'll take this fella:

JARED DUDLEY

Look at last year's BC team, then look at this year's BC team. Then look at the ACC standings. Dudley is the best player in the best conference in the nation.

http://www.jesuslist.com/blog/images/jared-dudley.jpeg
Everyone is calling Durant the player of the year, and Dudley is no where to be seen.

Durant 24.4 ppg (7th in nation)
Dudley 19.5 ppg (32nd in nation)

Durant 11.4 rpg (4th in nation)
Dudley 8.5 rpg (46th in nation)

By the way, ACC isnt the best conference in the nation. Maybe not even 2nd.

Wee Willie
02-22-2007, 07:37 PM
You take him, I'll take this fella:

JARED DUDLEY

Look at last year's BC team, then look at this year's BC team. Then look at the ACC standings. Dudley is the best player in the best conference in the nation.

My Tar Heels prevailed, though.:D Although I agree that Dudley should be POY in ACC. Seth Greenberg should be coach of the year.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-22-2007, 07:39 PM
I guess it's my pick. I'll take john wetteland 1998

Minstrel
02-22-2007, 07:39 PM
I guess it's my pick. I'll take john wetteland 1998

Good pick. He was on my reliever wishlist.

Wee Willie
02-22-2007, 07:40 PM
By the way, ACC isnt the best conference in the nation. Maybe not even 2nd.Maybe not at the top. But top to bottom, it's right there.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-22-2007, 07:42 PM
Good pick. He was on my reliever wishlist.
It was hard to pass up those type of statistics he put up.I wished i could have waited a couple more rounds to pick him though.

Minstrel
02-22-2007, 07:42 PM
I'll take my DH:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/sports/mariners/gallery/playoffs2001/game5/photo02.jpg

Big Jim Thome : 2001

Westlake
02-22-2007, 07:43 PM
Maybe not at the top. But top to bottom, it's right there.

It matches up pretty well with the big 10, but i'd put the big 10 above them at this point. The Big 12 is also very good this year... Kansas, A&M, Texas, OK State...

Btw, Go Duke! :D

Wade8813
02-22-2007, 07:45 PM
I was wondering when someone would pick Thome. I thought he'd go a while ago. Especially in the league that allows a DH.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-22-2007, 07:47 PM
I was wondering when someone would pick Thome. I thought he'd go a while ago. Especially in the league that allows a DH.
I completely forgot about the DH position. Now I have yet another hole to fill.

Wade8813
02-22-2007, 07:48 PM
Wade, to DMF, after he forgot to draft players for his team "You're screwed"

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-22-2007, 07:50 PM
Wade, to DMF, after he forgot to draft players for his team "You're screwed"
yeah, this incredible oversight potentially may render my team much less successfil then I wish would be.
this just goes to prove what plank I am.

yanks0714
02-22-2007, 07:54 PM
I select Billy Pierce > 1953

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 07:55 PM
I'll take my DH:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/sports/mariners/gallery/playoffs2001/game5/photo02.jpg

Big Jim Thome : 2001

UGH, that was a sleeper...well my DH becomes a lot easier.

Wee Willie
02-22-2007, 07:56 PM
It matches up pretty well with the big 10, but i'd put the big 10 above them at this point. The Big 12 is also very good this year... Kansas, A&M, Texas, OK State...

Btw, Go Duke! :D
I believe the correct spelling is "d-o-o-k".:D
I think ACC won the Big 10 challenge, though - and they've done that pretty much every year, I believe. They could send 7 or 8 teams, but Clem's Son is playing their way out of a bid tonite.

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 07:57 PM
I'll take the left-handed Curt Schilling.



Dave Cone

Wee Willie
02-22-2007, 07:59 PM
I'll take the left-handed Curt Schilling.



Dave Cone
Cone was actually a righty.

Minstrel
02-22-2007, 08:00 PM
Dave Cone

You meant the right-handed version of a left-handed version of Schilling? ;)

What year?

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 08:01 PM
Cone was actually a righty.


Batted left ;)

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 08:02 PM
You meant the right-handed version of a left-handed version of Schilling? ;)

What year?

Think before you speak he batted left handed when he was in the NL 1988 ;). I'll take John Smoltz's 2003 too. Just to clear that up

Westlake
02-22-2007, 08:04 PM
I'll take Tug McGraw, 1980.

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Tug-McGraw---World-Series-Last-Out-Celebration-Photofile-Photograph-C10123929.jpeg

Minstrel
02-22-2007, 08:06 PM
Think before you speak he batted left handed

Sorry, didn't realize you picked him as your DH. I'll make sure Erik Bedard takes care of that in the sim. ;)

Wee Willie
02-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Batted left ;)
That DH spot is tailor-made for him.

-Kyle-
02-22-2007, 08:13 PM
Thank you all for letting me have what I consider to be the steal of the draft right here: ALBERT BELLE, 1996

And.... I'm out.
Eh...I can see a few more great hitting lf left.

-Kyle-
02-22-2007, 08:14 PM
Phew...I thought Chris(LDuncan) was gonna take him...

Charlie Keller 1941

BoSox Rule
02-22-2007, 08:25 PM
Jack Clark 1987 to DH

Wade8813
02-22-2007, 08:29 PM
Randy Myers - 1988

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 08:38 PM
Sorry, didn't realize you picked him as your DH. I'll make sure Erik Bedard takes care of that in the sim. ;)


Knew he threw right, but batted left...dunno how he wrote.

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 08:46 PM
...Anyways, my studeies are getting too me. It looks like Chris is off so were done for the night I guess.

538280
02-22-2007, 09:13 PM
Elmer Flick 1900

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 09:16 PM
Elmer Flick 1900

Thanks for coming back on bud.

-Kyle-
02-22-2007, 09:20 PM
Huntington is off...so its still done. :(

ChrisLDuncan
02-22-2007, 09:27 PM
Gotta take what you can get though.

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 08:05 AM
Not gonna be back 'til like 4ish...anyone take my picks?

Edit: I am leaving right now so I am just pming Minstrel...hope you don't mind :o

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 08:48 AM
Ron Leflore- 1977

Kaz Sasaki- 2001

BTW- say what you wanna say. But guess who was in a hospital bed last night?

ronnie5
02-23-2007, 09:03 AM
Ok, Huntington's window has passed. I'll add more bullpen help...

http://www.legendsareforever.com/assets/images/autophoto/8x10s/benitez_armondo_blacklg.jpg

Armando Benitez, 1999

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/eticket/050923/marlins_280x365.jpg

Robb Nen, 1996. 538280 is up.

Huntington Avenue
02-23-2007, 09:41 AM
Ok, I'm here, I'm here. Those rounds flew by...

First: Mike Marshall, 1972.

Aaand: Lee Smith. (Which year? Prospectus isn't working for me.)

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 11:43 AM
I am back early...and oh my god. You guys practically wiped out the relievers. :(

yanks0714
02-23-2007, 11:58 AM
Holy cow!!! As a famous announcer used to say. I sign in quick at work to see where we stand andnot one, not two, but 3 of my sleepers are gone! Charlie Keller, Elmer Flick, and Jack Clark. I figured Flick being a HOF'er would get picked some time but Keller and Clark stunned me.

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 12:04 PM
Holy cow!!! As a famous announcer used to say. I sign in quick at work to see where we stand andnot one, not two, but 3 of my sleepers are gone! Charlie Keller, Elmer Flick, and Jack Clark. I figured Flick being a HOF'er would get picked some time but Keller and Clark stunned me.
I didn't notice him until I was screwing around with all time teams and the Yankees had Keller on the bench...I remebered reading about his great peak with DiMaggio and looked his stats up. 162 OPS+ in the 15 round is prett good I thought.

538280
02-23-2007, 12:19 PM
John Franco 1985

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/images/2004/07/03/3q9fvj2j.jpg

BoSox Rule
02-23-2007, 12:20 PM
Picked in the 14th,

538280
02-23-2007, 12:37 PM
Picked in the 14th,

Sorry. I edited my post, new pick is John Franco

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 12:45 PM
John Franco 1985

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/images/2004/07/03/3q9fvj2j.jpg

Oh man, I really thought he'd fall to me. :(

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 12:49 PM
Rod Beck - 1992

BoSox Rule
02-23-2007, 12:50 PM
I need some clarification. The guy I want to pick, his three best WARP are the same...

ronnie5
02-23-2007, 12:50 PM
What's with people choosing a picture of the guy they just took with a different team than the season they chose for him? At least put in some effort... :crazy

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 12:52 PM
Ties in Warp means you get to use whichever you want. I wonder if you're looking at the same guy I was considering.

BoSox Rule
02-23-2007, 12:52 PM
OK, I want Tom Henke 1989.

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 12:55 PM
OK, I want Tom Henke 1989.

Yeah, I wanted him too. *sigh*

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I wanted him too. *sigh*
*Sigh*
Kent Tekulve 1983 227 ERA +

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/pirates.jpg

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 01:12 PM
*Sigh*
Kent Tekulve 1983 227 ERA +

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/pirates.jpg

No! Argh. Curses. Blast.

I could really kill a kitten right about now.

Erik Bedard
02-23-2007, 01:28 PM
Wow. Almost all of my top ten setup men are now gone.

Westlake
02-23-2007, 01:28 PM
Jesse Orosco, 1989

http://www.fansedge.com/Images/Product/33-53/33-53551-F.jpg

Erik Bedard
02-23-2007, 01:29 PM
.... and there goes number ten.

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 01:55 PM
.... and there goes number ten.

Yeah, he was on my list, too.

ChrisLDuncan
02-23-2007, 02:15 PM
BJ Ryan 2004...I know I'm reaching here but I need another lefty in my pen. However 87 innings with a 210 ERA+ is pretty wicked.

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 02:17 PM
BJ Ryan 2004...I know I'm reaching here but I need another lefty in my pen. However 87 innings with a 210 ERA+ is pretty wicked.
I don't see that as a reach at all. A lefty with 210 ERA + is great.

ChrisLDuncan
02-23-2007, 02:20 PM
Yeah, thanks I wanted two lefties in my pen

Huntington Avenue
02-23-2007, 02:55 PM
*Sigh*
Kent Tekulve 1983 227 ERA +

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/features/1997/swinginas/1974/images/pirates.jpg
Aack! Not the creepiest photo in the history of baseball! Did he actually look that weird? I wonder what would happen if you said his name 3 times...:laugh

Also, 1990 for Smith.

yanks0714
02-23-2007, 04:46 PM
I select Roy Face > 1956

How many of you young'ans know who this guy was?

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 04:49 PM
I know who he was. Was considering him. But I have another in mind.

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 05:05 PM
I select Roy Face > 1956

How many of you young'ans know who this guy was?
Hmmm....nope.

ChrisLDuncan
02-23-2007, 05:21 PM
I select Roy Face > 1956

How many of you young'ans know who this guy was?


I know The Baron...ughhh. From now on I'm not getting into all time fantasy drafts with people over 50 or Astros fans...THEY STEAL ALL THE SLEEPERS:grouchy

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 05:24 PM
Well, I'm a Cub fan. Now what?

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 05:46 PM
I had him on my list, and am not over 50. Heck, I've picked players from the 1800s, and I'm not over 100 either.

I also had many of the taken Astros on my list, and I couldn't care less about that team.

538280
02-23-2007, 05:57 PM
I select Roy Face > 1956

How many of you young'ans know who this guy was?

Search him under my name and you'll find at least 50 references to him.

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 06:10 PM
Search him under my name and you'll find at least 50 references to him. Yeah, but we all know you're really a 50 year old pretending to be a high schooler :rolleyes:

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 06:16 PM
On a more serious note, Washizzle has permission to pick for me tomorrow. I have Army Reserve stuff, and we're going to be really busy that day.

538280
02-23-2007, 06:26 PM
Yeah, but we all know you're really a 50 year old pretending to be a high schooler :rolleyes:

No, I'm not. I'm really 15 years old.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 06:28 PM
You obviously have a load of time on your hands.

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 06:57 PM
I really need a left-handed reliever, so I'll take a very good one:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/dave_righetti_autograph.jpg

Dave Righetti : 1984

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 07:04 PM
I'll Take Aurthur Rhodes 2001.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 07:10 PM
ALRIGHT!! DFM did NOT take the guy I wanted!!! One more pick, baby! Hopefully EB follows.

-Kyle-
02-23-2007, 07:37 PM
I really need a left-handed reliever, so I'll take a very good one:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/dave_righetti_autograph.jpg

Dave Righetti : 1984
Awwww, I really wanted that guy.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 07:56 PM
One More Pick!!! Go Eb!!!!

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 08:53 PM
I thought Rhodes was a sleeper for sure. I thought you didn't like him, Disgruntaled?

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 08:58 PM
I thought Rhodes was a sleeper for sure. I thought you didn't like him, Disgruntaled?
Ihad him as one of sleepers also, but seeing how so many of my other sleeper got picked, I though might as well play it safe rather then sorry.
As for me not liking Aurthur.... I have bo Idea where you came up with that idea.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 08:59 PM
Where is EB?

My head is hurting!

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 09:01 PM
Where is EB?

My head is hurting!
Try Asprin... It may help.

Wade8813
02-23-2007, 09:02 PM
As for me not liking Aurthur.... I have bo Idea where you came up with that idea. Probably from one of the thousands of times you trash talk random things.

Or even more likely, is I picked him in one of our drafts, and you're like "why would you do that?"

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 09:03 PM
I took my vitamins.

It's hurting.

Maybe we can skip EB?

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 09:03 PM
Probably from one of the thousands of times you trash talk random things.

Or even more likely, is I picked him in one of our drafts, and you're like "why would you do that?"
Guilty as charged.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 09:06 PM
Ugh-- he better have a good excuse as to why he's not on.

I really wanna make my pick!

Westlake
02-23-2007, 09:07 PM
Ugh-- he better have a good excuse as to why he's not on.

I really wanna make my pick!

This isnt a lightning round. He doesnt have to pick right now. Chill.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 09:08 PM
I know.

But when you are very sick and have a throbbing head. It's hard.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 09:11 PM
Maybe we can skip EB?
why? it's still his pick and well within the time limit. There's no reason at all why he should be skipped. it's nonsense to skip him. Why even bring up the idea.

AlecBoy006
02-23-2007, 09:15 PM
As I said. My head is KILLIN ME.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-23-2007, 09:18 PM
So, let me get this straight... because your head is hurting you believe EB should be skipped? how on earth does make sense?

Huntington Avenue
02-23-2007, 09:30 PM
Aaaaaaaaand, let's change the subject.

Upon further review, I figured I'd like to make some year changes, if that's not too problematic.
Gary Carter: 1984---->1985
Dale Murphy: 1983---->1982
Ryne Sandberg: 1985---->1991

I know Minstrel warned against frequent changes, but I couldn't resist these few.

Minstrel
02-23-2007, 11:32 PM
Aaaaaaaaand, let's change the subject.

Upon further review, I figured I'd like to make some year changes, if that's not too problematic.
Gary Carter: 1984---->1985
Dale Murphy: 1983---->1982
Ryne Sandberg: 1985---->1991

I know Minstrel warned against frequent changes, but I couldn't resist these few.

No problem.

Erik Bedard
02-24-2007, 05:23 AM
Alec, you aren't the only sick one here. ;)

DOUG JONES, 1988

BTW, Face was my next pick :grouchy

Erik Bedard
02-24-2007, 12:01 PM
Wee Willie is now up. TFAM is licensed to pick for me, as I'm going out from 3 to around 10.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 12:19 PM
AlecBoy006 game me permission to pick for him he wants

Sam Rice- 1923.

Wee Willie
02-24-2007, 12:45 PM
First pick: Duane Ward, 1992 (210 ERA+ in over 100 innings)

Second pick: Elston Howard, 1963

Minstrel
02-24-2007, 02:03 PM
First pick: Duane Ward, 1992 (210 ERA+ in over 100 innings)

Nice pick. I had him on my list of reliever candidates.

Wee Willie
02-24-2007, 02:57 PM
Nice pick. I had him on my list of reliever candidates.
Thanks. It's nice to have a setup guy who actually did well in a setup role (at least for that year, anyway).

ronnie5
02-24-2007, 04:41 PM
Wee Willie is now up.

If AlecBoy's initial 8 hour window passed, and he only made one pick after it had passed, isn't it Erik's turn again?

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 05:11 PM
I just picked for AlecBoy006 today.

ronnie5
02-24-2007, 05:16 PM
I just picked for AlecBoy006 today.

I know, and it's his turn again. He had an 8 hour window already.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 05:28 PM
I know, and it's his turn again. He had an 8 hour window already.

WeeWillie picked at 1:45 PM today, so his eight hours aren't up until 9:45, and I think there's dead time aswell. So Alec actually has until tommrow.

ronnie5
02-24-2007, 05:31 PM
WeeWillie picked at 1:45 PM today, so his eight hours aren't up until 9:45, and I think there's dead time aswell. So Alec actually has until tommrow.

I understand that, but the way we've been doing it, once your 8 hours to choose expire, your next pick is also skipped. For instance, since I'm the last pick, if my 8 hour window passes, I don't get another 8 hours for my second pick. That pick is also skipped.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 05:33 PM
I understand that, but the way we've been doing it, once your 8 hours to choose expire, your next pick is also skipped. For instance, since I'm the last pick, if my 8 hour window passes, I don't get another 8 hours for my second pick. That pick is also skipped.


Wait, what? Alec doesn't pick twice in a row. He picked then WeeWillie gets two in a row, so Alec gets another window after WeeWillie picked. You get two picks in a row, so that may be different...I don't exactly agree, but that's the way it is. If that's so then when does your window reset?

ronnie5
02-24-2007, 05:35 PM
Wait, what? Alec doesn't pick twice in a row. He picked then WeeWillie gets two in a row, so Alec gets another window after WeeWillie picked. You get two picks in a row, so that may be different...I don't exactly agree, but that's the way it is. If that's so then when does your window reset?

Well, that's not the way we've been doing it. You can go through the draft, and find when someone's window expired. They didn't get two separate 8 hour windows. Minstrel, can we get a ruling on this?

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 05:48 PM
Oh my bad, I actually have his second pick. He gave me three, his last one, the back up to his last one and his next one. His pick is:

Dan Plesac 1988.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 05:51 PM
Yeah sorry about that to the rest of the AL Draft and AlecBoy006...I misread that.

AlecBoy006
02-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Guys. I've been very sick all day, and I've had a severe headache. So Sorry.

Minstrel
02-24-2007, 07:05 PM
Well, that's not the way we've been doing it. You can go through the draft, and find when someone's window expired. They didn't get two separate 8 hour windows. Minstrel, can we get a ruling on this?

I'm not sure what you mean. For people who have back-to-back picks, like you and Wee Willie, there's one eight-hour window for both picks...because the eight hours is there to make sure you get a chance to get online, not to give you eight hours to mull each pick. But that rule doesn't go for anyone who doesn't have back-to-back picks.

The other possibly relevant rule is that if someone currently has an outstanding pick that they missed, if their turn comes up again without them remedying that, they are automatically skipped immediately, without another eight hour window.

I don't see that either applied to AlecBoy. He didn't have back-to-back picks and he didn't have an pick to be made outstanding, since ChrisLDuncan had selected for him.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 07:31 PM
Guys. I've been very sick all day, and I've had a severe headache. So Sorry.

Just hope that you get better.

AlecBoy006
02-24-2007, 07:34 PM
Thanks man, and thanks for making my picks.

tearforamariner
02-24-2007, 07:41 PM
EB selects Don McMahon. He'll select the year when he gets back.

ChrisLDuncan
02-24-2007, 07:44 PM
Thanks man, and thanks for making my picks.

Yeah sorry about waiting for the second one, due to my actitivites on Friday night I forgot that you PMed me your second pick. However I'm all but snowed in tonight :grouchy :grouchy :mad: so it looks like no bars for me :(

Erik Bedard
02-24-2007, 07:52 PM
EB selects Don McMahon. He'll select the year when he gets back.

Thanks for making my pick. I'll use McMahon's '67 season.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-24-2007, 11:56 PM
I need a catcher.... I guess I'll Take Joe Torre. I'll use his stats from 1970

ChrisLDuncan
02-25-2007, 01:47 AM
There goes my BC

Wade8813
02-25-2007, 07:19 AM
I'm probably going to still be busy today with Army stuff, so Washizzle still has my list.

Minstrel
02-25-2007, 10:15 AM
I need my fifth starter, so I'll select:

http://www.baseballdragonscastelfranco.it/IMAGES/SmokyJoe.jpg

Smoky Joe Wood : 1910

yanks0714
02-25-2007, 10:45 AM
I select Firpo Marberry > 1926

ChrisLDuncan
02-25-2007, 12:23 PM
Tom Gordon's 2004

-Kyle-
02-25-2007, 12:32 PM
Tom Gordon's 2004
:ughh ....

Westlake
02-25-2007, 01:20 PM
Roberto Hernandez, 1992

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/roberto_hernandez_autograph.jpg

-Kyle-
02-25-2007, 02:39 PM
Roberto Hernandez, 1992

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/roberto_hernandez_autograph.jpg
and he was my next pick....

Well then, after uh, glancing at the NL (:D) I decided to pick

Frank Tanana, 1977.

http://www.topekasizzlers.com/14dd8350.jpg

BoSox Rule
02-25-2007, 03:04 PM
John Hiller 1976

Wade8813
02-25-2007, 03:09 PM
I'll take another lefty for my 'pen; Ron Perranoski - 1965

538280
02-25-2007, 04:36 PM
I need some clarification here-what if a players plays in a strike season but still meets the playing time requirements?

ronnie5
02-25-2007, 04:44 PM
I need some clarification here-what if a players plays in a strike season but still meets the playing time requirements?

You still can't use it. It can be counted toward a player's top two WARP1 seasons, but you cant choose that season. The season's you cant use are 1981 and 1994.

538280
02-25-2007, 04:58 PM
Jeff Montgomery, 1992

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/al/kc/MontyKC.jpg


Thanks for the clarification as well, Ronnie.

Minstrel
02-25-2007, 05:09 PM
Scratch another reliever I wanted. :p

Huntington Avenue
02-25-2007, 05:46 PM
Steve Hamilton, 1965.

ronnie5
02-25-2007, 06:00 PM
I'll take one of my favorite all-time Astros, sporting the best jerseys in the history of the game...

20291

Cesar Cedeno, 1973

http://www.thedeadballera.com/Cards/HOERNER-JOECARD.jpg

...and Joe Hoerner, 1966. I was debating between him and Hamilton, and you made my decision for me, Huntington. :crazy

-Kyle-
02-25-2007, 07:20 PM
Awwwwwww...too bad, I was hoping to get my pick tonight.

ChrisLDuncan
02-25-2007, 07:35 PM
I told HA that it was his pick right after Ronnie picked, I'm sure Chris has his pick ready too.

Huntington Avenue
02-25-2007, 08:08 PM
And my starter #5:

Wilbur Wood, 1968.

Minstrel: Is this ok? He would qualify as a reliever in '68 but was a starter for several years after that, so I'm not sure how that fits. I know in the discussion forum there was the whole hybrid RP/SP concept, still a little confused.

538280
02-25-2007, 09:04 PM
Eric Davis, 1989

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a4/225px-Eric_davis.jpg

Wade8813
02-25-2007, 09:24 PM
And my starter #5:

Wilbur Wood, 1968.

Minstrel: Is this ok? He would qualify as a reliever in '68 but was a starter for several years after that, so I'm not sure how that fits. I know in the discussion forum there was the whole hybrid RP/SP concept, still a little confused. If he has 3+ years as a RP, you can have one of those years as his RP year. If he has enough years as a SP, you can take one of the SP years as his SP year.

* * * * *

I'll take Octavio Dotel - 2003

Huntington Avenue
02-25-2007, 09:30 PM
Alright, that's what I thought. I guess he's a reliever then.


Guess I still need a fifth starter then....:grouchy

Minstrel
02-25-2007, 11:19 PM
Alright, that's what I thought. I guess he's a reliever then.

He qualifies as both. He has both 3+ seasons of 40+ relief appearances AND 3+ seasons of 160+ IP. You can use him as either.

If you want to lock him into one role, that's fine...just pick a (non-top-two) season in which he was in that role.

If you want to use him in a swing capacity (can switch between starter and reliever), specify two (non-top-two) seasons to use in the sim...one in which he was a starter and one in which he was a reliever.

Wade8813
02-25-2007, 11:25 PM
Won't putting him as a starter and a reliever mean he'll get too tired quickly?

Minstrel
02-25-2007, 11:29 PM
Won't putting him as a starter and a reliever mean he'll get too tired quickly?

Well, you can't use him as both simultaneously. But you can switch a "swing pitcher" from a relief role to a starting role and vice versa, is what I meant.

Like the A's did with Kirk Saarloos last season!

ronnie5
02-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Whose turn is it? Kyle's?

BoSox Rule
02-26-2007, 01:31 PM
I'll take Bret Saberhagen 1987

-Kyle-
02-26-2007, 02:43 PM
I'll take Bret Saberhagen 1987
Good pick.

I was just wondering, where do you guys come up with these sleepers? Some of these guys with 250 ERA+ and are lefties, I never have heard of them.

Erik Bedard
02-26-2007, 02:53 PM
Research, my friend.

BTW, if I hadn't gotten Drysdale and Jenkins, I would have taken Saberhagen a few rounds back.

ronnie5
02-26-2007, 03:09 PM
Kyle, you know it's your turn, right?

plask_stirlac
02-26-2007, 03:27 PM
Good pick.

I was just wondering, where do you guys come up with these sleepers? Some of these guys with 250 ERA+ and are lefties, I never have heard of them.

Well, though I'm in the NL, I use past experience assembling teams, past searching, and general knowledge i.e. names just in and of themselves. OTOH a lot of it is getting posted up on the AL Draft board, though a lot of players I don't know/consider as well. I rarely looked for relievers with 100+ IP.

BBRef and BP aren't the only sites I use.

-Kyle-
02-26-2007, 03:28 PM
Whose turn is it? Kyle's?
My next pick was Wood, and I am looking for someone else...

-Kyle-
02-26-2007, 03:47 PM
Mike Remlinger, 2002

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nl/atlbraves/RemlingerAtl.jpg

yanks0714
02-26-2007, 04:04 PM
Well, you can't use him as both simultaneously. But you can switch a "swing pitcher" from a relief role to a starting role and vice versa, is what I meant.

Like the A's did with Kirk Saarloos last season!

I'd like to use Firpo Marberry as a swing man, spot starter, reliever.

1926 as a Reliever which I've already selected.
1931 as a Spot Starter.

Westlake
02-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Carl Mays, 1917

yanks0714
02-26-2007, 04:38 PM
Carl Mays, 1917

Excellent pick! Now that is what I call a 'sleeper'. To get him in the 19th round, wow!

Westlake
02-26-2007, 04:40 PM
Excellent pick! Now that is what I call a 'sleeper'. To get him in the 19th round, wow!

Thanks Yanks, he'll do for a great 5th starter.

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 04:52 PM
Excellent pick! Now that is what I call a 'sleeper'. To get him in the 19th round, wow!

Hey, Smoky Joe Wood was just as good and you didn't tell me what a good pick I made. :(

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 04:59 PM
I'd like to use Firpo Marberry as a swing man, spot starter, reliever.

1926 as a Reliever which I've already selected.
1931 as a Spot Starter.

Okay, got it recorded.

yanks0714
02-26-2007, 05:12 PM
Hey, Smoky Joe Wood was just as good and you didn't tell me what a good pick I made. :(

Okay, Smoky Joe Wood was a great pick, Minstral.

Of course, nobidy said that when I picked Firpo Marberry....most said, 'Firpo what? Firpo who? Fipo'ed when? Who did he Firpo? :dance

ChrisLDuncan
02-26-2007, 05:29 PM
Joe Nathan 2005

yanks0714
02-26-2007, 05:44 PM
I select Don Mossi > 1954

I got my LH'er in the bullpen.

-Kyle-
02-26-2007, 05:52 PM
I select Don Mossi > 1954

I got my LH'er in the bullpen.
Crap...he was gonna be my swing man. :hp

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Okay, Smoky Joe Wood was a great pick, Minstral.

Thanks. Ofc, my name is "Minstrel" but I'll take it.


Of course, nobidy said that when I picked Firpo Marberry....most said, 'Firpo what? Firpo who? Fipo'ed when? Who did he Firpo? :dance

I think picking up Stephon's grandfather was a great pick. ;)

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 06:34 PM
I'll select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mark_eichhorn_autograph.jpg

Mark Eichhorn : 1994

232 ERA+ can't hurt.

Westlake
02-26-2007, 06:35 PM
I'll select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mark_eichhorn_autograph.jpg

Mark Eichhorn : 1994

232 ERA+ can't hurt.

Neither will a shave.

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 06:36 PM
Neither will a shave.

He's gritty. Relief pitchers aren't supposed to be clean shaven.

-Kyle-
02-26-2007, 06:39 PM
I'll select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mark_eichhorn_autograph.jpg

Mark Eichhorn : 1994

232 ERA+ can't hurt.
...I thought 1994 was off limits due to strike? You made EB change, right?

Westlake
02-26-2007, 06:44 PM
He's gritty. Relief pitchers aren't supposed to be clean shaven.

This reminds me of that Simpsons episode... "Mattingly, I told you to get rid of those sideburns!"

Minstrel
02-26-2007, 07:30 PM
...I thought 1994 was off limits due to strike? You made EB change, right?

Oh, good point, I completely lost track of the fact that it was a strike season.

I'll go with 1991. Only a 207 ERA+ (!) but a few more innings pitched.

538280
02-26-2007, 07:31 PM
I'll select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mark_eichhorn_autograph.jpg

Mark Eichhorn : 1994

232 ERA+ can't hurt.

Aren't strike seasons not allowed? I actually was going to take him earlier but Ronnie told me I couldn't take a guy from a strike year even if he meets the playing time requirements.

EDIT: He already changed it.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-27-2007, 02:28 AM
I'll Take Rafael Palmeiro. 1999

Erik Bedard
02-27-2007, 05:26 AM
This guy was ahead of quite a few people who were already picked on my list. No idea why he's still around.

GREGG OLSON, 1993
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/gregg_olson_autograph.jpg

Honus Wagner Rules
02-27-2007, 11:17 AM
I'll select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mark_eichhorn_autograph.jpg

Mark Eichhorn : 1994

232 ERA+ can't hurt.
Hey, Eichorn went to my high school!!!! :D

-Kyle-
02-27-2007, 12:25 PM
This guy was ahead of quite a few people who were already picked on my list. No idea why he's still around.

GREGG OLSON, 1993
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/gregg_olson_autograph.jpg
276 ERA + is amazing, but it might be his 45 IP.

yanks0714
02-27-2007, 04:39 PM
Unless Minstrel says 'no' I'd like to add 1960 to Don Mossi as a spot starter in addition to his 1954 as a relief pitcher.

Erik Bedard
02-27-2007, 04:57 PM
Alec's clock has long expired.

Wee Willie
02-27-2007, 04:59 PM
I think AlecBoy's window has passed.

First pick: Ellis Kinder, 1951

Second pick: Fred Clarke, 1897

Wade8813
02-27-2007, 05:32 PM
Wee Willie - I sent you a PM about a trade. Did you see it?

Erik Bedard
02-27-2007, 05:41 PM
Todd Worrell - 1985

http://www.thegrandstandinc.com/images/7437.jpg

Minstrel
02-27-2007, 06:00 PM
Unless Minstrel says 'no' I'd like to add 1960 to Don Mossi as a spot starter in addition to his 1954 as a relief pitcher.

You can use Mossi as a swing man (he qualifies for both), but you can't use 1960 as his starter season since he didn't meet the 160+ IP requirements.

You can use '59, '61, or '62 (as long as none are top-two seasons, whew, this is getting complicated ;) ).

yanks0714
02-27-2007, 06:11 PM
You can use Mossi as a swing man (he qualifies for both), but you can't use 1960 as his starter season since he didn't meet the 160+ IP requirements.

You can use '59, '61, or '62 (as long as none are top-two seasons, whew, this is getting complicated ;) ).

No, it's not getting too complicated. I plain forgot about the 160+ innings requirement. Heck Mossi missed by, what 2 innings. LOL on me!

I'll take his 1962 as spot starter. '59 and '61 are his two top WARP1 seasons so I can't use them.

He wasn't all that great in '62 but as a spot starter he won't cause a whole lot of damage.

Thanks, Minstrel! (got it right this time)

AlecBoy006
02-27-2007, 06:12 PM
I'm sorry.

Kirk Gibson-1984
Bob Johnson-1937

plask_stirlac
02-27-2007, 06:14 PM
I think AlecBoy's window has passed.

:ughh

I look forward to his picks, for the Entertainment much like its own thread or one of that title (one person will get this).

Wee Willie
02-27-2007, 06:21 PM
Wee Willie - I sent you a PM about a trade. Did you see it?I just sent you the response.

yanks0714
02-27-2007, 06:23 PM
I'm sorry.

Kirk Gibson-1984
Bob Johnson-1937

Well, Alec, I must say that those were two good picks...primarily because one of the two was who I was going to pick. :mad: :( :)

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
02-27-2007, 07:50 PM
I need another lefty out of the pen.... I take Steve Kline 2004

Minstrel
02-27-2007, 08:10 PM
I'll take:

http://www.onlineathens.com/dogbytes/legends/photos/chandler.jpg

Spud Chandler : 1942

As my spot starter/emergency starter.

yanks0714
02-27-2007, 08:28 PM
My next selection: Pedro Guerrero > 1983

Start to fill in my bench and this guy gives me coverage at all 3 OF positions, 1B, and 3B....plus he's one heck of a hitter.

ChrisLDuncan
02-27-2007, 08:48 PM
Kirby Puckett 1986

plask_stirlac
02-27-2007, 09:07 PM
My next selection: Pedro Guerrero > 1983...
this guy gives me coverage at all 3 OF positions, 1B, and 3B....

With a tarp, maybe.

-Kyle-
02-28-2007, 04:23 AM
Paul Quantrill 2003 and Roger Bresnahan 1903

Westlake
02-28-2007, 09:07 AM
I dont think Veale is eligible. He only pitched in 34 games, and even started 7 of them.

Minstrel
02-28-2007, 10:45 AM
I dont think Veale is eligible. He only pitched in 34 games, and even started 7 of them.

Neither is Dale Murray in 1974...he only had 32 relief appearances.

ronnie5
02-28-2007, 11:27 AM
Neither is Dale Murray in 1974...he only had 32 relief appearances.

Minstrel, so what happens now in this situation? His window has passed, he made two ineligible selections, so is it still his turn? Or is it BoSox' turn?

Minstrel
02-28-2007, 12:07 PM
Minstrel, so what happens now in this situation? His window has passed, he made two ineligible selections, so is it still his turn? Or is it BoSox' turn?

Bosox' turn. The window is to make eligible picks.

ronnie5
02-28-2007, 12:14 PM
Bosox' turn. The window is to make eligible picks.

Gotcha. Well, BoSox is going to run out of time in a few minutes too...

Wade8813
02-28-2007, 12:59 PM
So, it's my pick???

I'll take Jason Isringhausen - 2002

-Kyle-
02-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Neither is Dale Murray in 1974...he only had 32 relief appearances.
Sorry...I just looked at the 40 games.

Minstrel
02-28-2007, 01:22 PM
Gotcha. Well, BoSox is going to run out of time in a few minutes too...

Wait, how did Bosox's time run out?

-Kyle-'s time ran out at 8 AM PST (since windows can't expire during the dead period), so Bosox has until 4 PM PST. It's 12:30 PM PST right now.

ronnie5
02-28-2007, 01:28 PM
Wait, how did Bosox's time run out?

-Kyle-'s time ran out at 8 AM PST (since windows can't expire during the dead period), so Bosox has until 4 PM PST. It's 12:30 PM PST right now.

That's what was unclear to me... Since Kyle made his ineligible picks at 5:23 AM CDT, I assumed that BoSox' clock started at that point. I didn't know his window didn't start till 10 AM CDT since those picks were ineligible. My mistake.

Wade8813
02-28-2007, 01:33 PM
I gotta go. If I can, you know who I want. If not (then someone's a jerk, and a thief (just kidding :p )), then I'll have to pick in a couple hours. Sorry.

Minstrel
02-28-2007, 01:52 PM
That's what was unclear to me... Since Kyle made his ineligible picks at 5:23 AM CDT, I assumed that BoSox' clock started at that point. I didn't know his window didn't start till 10 AM CDT since those picks were ineligible. My mistake.

Ah, I see. I didn't realize that was what you were wondering. I just figured invalid picks are like no picks.

BoSox Rule
02-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Ichiro 2002

ChrisLDuncan
02-28-2007, 03:54 PM
Damn I was hoping he'd fall to around the last few rounds

Wade8813
02-28-2007, 04:24 PM
So, now I take Isringhausen.

Minstrel
02-28-2007, 05:56 PM
Everyone remember...there's a lightning round tomorrow from 8 PM EST until 10 PM EST. If you can't make it, please PM somebody with a list and tell us, and let us know in this thread who has authority to pick for you. Selection windows will be reduced to 15 min.

Thanks,
The Managemnt

Wade8813
02-28-2007, 06:00 PM
Sheesh. Now he's referring to himself as "The Management". This weeks sign of the Apocaplypse? :p

Westlake
02-28-2007, 06:01 PM
Everyone remember...there's a lightning round tomorrow from 8 PM EST until 10 PM EST. If you can't make it, please PM somebody with a list and tell us, and let us know in this thread who has authority to pick for you. Selection windows will be reduced to 15 min.

Thanks,
The Managemnt

Ok, Judge Landis.

Wee Willie
02-28-2007, 06:23 PM
I'll be there.

Sincerely,
The Undersigned

538280
02-28-2007, 06:46 PM
Darrell Evans 1983

http://www.onlinesports.com/images/bj-evadapix0801.jpg

ronnie5
03-01-2007, 10:08 AM
Ok, guess it's my turn.

20481

Sam McDowell, 1968

http://www.cooperstownglory.com/images/players/davis_george.jpg

George Davis, 1893

Huntington Avenue
03-01-2007, 01:43 PM
http://thedeadballera.com/Photos/ShockerUrban_photo.jpg
Urban Shocker 1920

aaaand...
http://espanol.geocities.com/saludybeisbol/img/concep0.jpg
Dave Concepcion 1979

538280
03-01-2007, 02:21 PM
Mike Jackson 1988

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/mike_jackson_autograph.jpg

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 02:39 PM
I pick the player I'm convinced is THE BEST SLEEPER of the draft.

Earl Averill - 1936

.378/.438/.627 28 HR from CF. Boo-YAH!

:D :laugh :gt :clapping :dance :clapping :gt :laugh :D

BoSox Rule
03-01-2007, 03:06 PM
Nevermind, he's taken.

BoSox Rule
03-01-2007, 03:13 PM
Steve Bedrosian 1984

-Kyle-
03-01-2007, 03:33 PM
I pick the player I'm convinced is THE BEST SLEEPER of the draft.

Earl Averill - 1936

.378/.438/.627 28 HR from CF. Boo-YAH!

:D :laugh :gt :clapping :dance :clapping :gt :laugh :D
Very good pick...I and also found somebody who I feel is about on the same level...

Larry Doby 1951

He was .295/ .428/ .512 with a 160 OPS+, 20 HR and 100 BB. He only played 134 games, and when adjusted to 162 game schedule does very well with basic stats.

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 03:37 PM
Good pick. I don't know how to find OPS+ (I'm so behind the curve), I do like the 100 extra SLG my guy has (actually, it's not my guy, because as soon as DMF confirms it, Averill goes to him).

Westlake
03-01-2007, 03:42 PM
Good pick. I don't know how to find OPS+ (I'm so behind the curve), I do like the 100 extra SLG my guy has (actually, it's not my guy, because as soon as DMF confirms it, Averill goes to him).

Averill's entire league was slugging like 60 points higher than Dobys.

OPS+ is right next to slugging percentage on B-r.com

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 03:42 PM
OPS+ is listed on the player's page at B-Ref. Here's Averill's page: http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/averiea01.shtml

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 03:47 PM
k, thnx.


Averill's entire league was slugging like 60 points higher than Dobys.
Fine, well even if you give Doby an extra 60 points, Averill is still over 50 points more.

Still, a great pick and a great sleeper. I just maintain that mine was better :D

Westlake
03-01-2007, 03:49 PM
k, thnx.

Fine, well even if you give Doby an extra 60 points, Averill is still over 50 points more.

Ok, I dont really care. I just just showing you why the difference was so much but the OPS+ wasnt.

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 03:55 PM
Ok, gotcha.

Westlake
03-01-2007, 04:10 PM
I'll take Ray Schalk, 1914.

http://www.nokomisonline.com/sitebuilder/images/schalk_ray_3-150x204.jpg

ChrisLDuncan
03-01-2007, 04:11 PM
Don Mattingly 1984

yanks0714
03-01-2007, 05:37 PM
I select Jeff Kent > 2002

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 05:56 PM
I'm here for the lightning round. But I'm kinda multitasking.

Minstrel
03-01-2007, 05:57 PM
I select:

http://members.tripod.com/bb_catchers/catchers/posada3.jpg

Jorge Posada : 2004

As my backup catcher. I figure backup catcher will be the most important bench player. Posada had very nice production in 2004 for a second-string catcher.

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 05:58 PM
I'm here for the lightning round. But I'm kinda multitasking.
Who isn't? I'm not gonna sit here for 2 hours waiting for you guys - I'm multitasking.

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:00 PM
Yeah, but I'm REALLY multitasking. As in, like, not even multitasking using only the computer. I'm studying from a book, and checking the computer every few minutes.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-01-2007, 06:01 PM
I select:

http://members.tripod.com/bb_catchers/catchers/posada3.jpg

Jorge Posada : 2004

As my backup catcher. I figure backup catcher will be the most important bench player. Posada had very nice production in 2004 for a second-string catcher.
Great..... just great... there goes My back up catcher:(

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 06:02 PM
Well, I get DMF's pick this round, so I take Melvin Mora - 2003. Solid stats, and he played CF, so he can play all three OF positions, 3B, and SS (which means he can cover 2B). That's almost every single position from one person.

ronnie5
03-01-2007, 06:04 PM
Well, I get DMF's pick this round, so I take Melvin Mora - 2003. Solid stats, and he played all three OF positions, 3B, and SS (which means he can cover 2B). That's almost every single position from one person.

You can't pick that season. Only played 96 games

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:04 PM
Stupid Greg Maddux, hitting him on the hand...

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:06 PM
I suppose it's my pick. Hold on.

Wade8813
03-01-2007, 06:08 PM
I'll take 2005 instead. I realized that as you guys were posting it, and scrambled to see if he had any other decent years I could pick. His numbers are a lot more disappointing, but I'll deal with it.

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:17 PM
Bill Freehan, 1974.

ronnie5
03-01-2007, 06:27 PM
Doesnt look like AlecBoy's gonna show...

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:28 PM
... time check ...

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-01-2007, 06:29 PM
Doesnt look like AlecBoy's gonna show...
Horray!! not for him though.

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:30 PM
Not like it matters, now that we're into drafting backups.

Minstrel
03-01-2007, 06:32 PM
Not like it matters, now that we're into drafting backups.

Looks like we skip AlecBoy.

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:36 PM
Wee Willie is now up. After I pick, I've got to go.

AlecBoy006
03-01-2007, 06:36 PM
No I'm right here. I'll think. Hold on.

AlecBoy006
03-01-2007, 06:37 PM
Rick Agulera- 1991.

Wee Willie
03-01-2007, 06:40 PM
First pick - Barry Larkin, 1992

Next pick forthcoming

Minstrel
03-01-2007, 06:41 PM
Rick Agulera- 1991.

Need to use another year, that's his second-best year.

Wee Willie
03-01-2007, 06:44 PM
Second pick: Gene Garber, 1977

yanks0714
03-01-2007, 06:51 PM
First pick - Barry Larkin, 1992

Next pick forthcoming


Good pick. Nice sleeper.

Erik Bedard
03-01-2007, 06:53 PM
Jesse Burkett - 1899

He may even start for me. We'll see.

-Kyle-
03-01-2007, 06:54 PM
Jesse Burkett - 1899

He may even start for me. We'll see.
I was thinking about him...he just didn't slug enough for me to take him.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-01-2007, 06:56 PM
To fill my void at Backup catcher, I select Victor Martinez. 2006

Minstrel
03-01-2007, 07:06 PM
I select:

http://images.chattanoogan.com/photo_images/gallery_10504.jpg

Andruw Jones : 2005

yanks0714
03-01-2007, 07:08 PM
I select Gary Lavelle > 1976

ChrisLDuncan
03-01-2007, 07:12 PM
Thurman Munson 1976



http://z.about.com/d/gonyc/1/0/p/R/nyc080106_162.jpg


http://z.about.com/d/gonyc/1/0/6/S/nyc080106_182.jpg


http://www.votethurmanin.com/Munson2.jpg


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