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Wade8813
03-10-2007, 07:49 AM
It's not quite my pick yet, but will be soon - if 538280 wants the person I try to take, I have someone else. I'll drop Sam Thompson, and take Andres Galarraga.

plask_stirlac
03-10-2007, 08:31 AM
I am interested by how Soriano got a 0 that year.

Most defensive stats I see seem to come back to RF9 against lgRF9, though BBRef only has those since 2000. RFG is less accurate, if someone's bat can't keep them in 9 innings of course they won't make as many plays and be as "rangy" as a "Do Not Pull" guy like Soriano. By default those guys will make a ton of plays.

Soriano's is 4.55 against 4.90, plus the .968 vs .979 FP. Now matching RF9 with the league is actually good, Jeter was 4.76 to 4.60 in 2005 and went 11 FRAA (compare that to 2001). But I wouldn't call 4.55 matching at all.

Maybe a .35 gap is enough for a 0.

538280
03-10-2007, 10:08 AM
I am interested by how Soriano got a 0 that year.

Most defensive stats I see seem to come back to RF9 against lgRF9, though BBRef only has those since 2000. RFG is less accurate, if someone's bat can't keep them in 9 innings of course they won't make as many plays and be as "rangy" as a "Do Not Pull" guy like Soriano. By default those guys will make a ton of plays.

Soriano's is 4.55 against 4.90, plus the .968 vs .979 FP. Now matching RF9 with the league is actually good, Jeter was 4.76 to 4.60 in 2005 and went 11 FRAA (compare that to 2001). But I wouldn't call 4.55 matching at all.

Maybe a .35 gap is enough for a 0.

FRAA adjusts for things such as the tendencies of the staff. Perhaps the Yankees had a flyball staff that year which made less potential groundballs for the second baseman. Also, a 2Bman's ability on the double play is a key part of his ability, I'm not sure how many Soriano turned that year but he could have also had above average ability on the DP (and DPs is also adjusted for things such as runners on base and staff tendencies).

AlecBoy006
03-10-2007, 10:14 AM
So, when could I make my pick?

ronnie5
03-10-2007, 10:26 AM
So, when could I make my pick?

When it's your turn. It wont be for a while. Check the first page for reference.

Minstrel
03-10-2007, 12:10 PM
It's not quite my pick yet, but will be soon - if 538280 wants the person I try to take, I have someone else. I'll drop Sam Thompson, and take Andres Galarraga.

What year?

Wade8813
03-10-2007, 02:10 PM
I want 1993 for Andres

Washizzle Express
03-10-2007, 02:38 PM
I know that Fielding Percentage isn't a foolproof stat, but a concensus should be used that includes FP, FRAA, zone rating, and other stats, plus (if possible to find) notes from managers/players/scouts of the time so that we get a better grasp of the overall picture of the fielder. Soriano had decent to good range at 2nd, but he also had a lot of mental lapses that year, which aren't included in any stat.

538280
03-10-2007, 03:00 PM
I know that Fielding Percentage isn't a foolproof stat, but a concensus should be used that includes FP, FRAA, zone rating, and other stats, plus (if possible to find) notes from managers/players/scouts of the time so that we get a better grasp of the overall picture of the fielder. Soriano had decent to good range at 2nd, but he also had a lot of mental lapses that year, which aren't included in any stat.

I agree that we should try to use as much as we can find, but fielding percentage should not be even considered because 1. Any advanced metric you will find already includes it somehow, and 2. As a singular element it really doesn't mean anything, it's just a part of player's fielding skill and not even a particularly important one.

ronnie5
03-10-2007, 03:34 PM
I want 1993 for Andres

That year is ineligible. Didn't play in 80% of his team's games.

Wee Willie
03-10-2007, 07:09 PM
These waiver rounds are going waay too slow. I suggest we do either a lightning round soon or maybe a "first-come, first-served period" of an hour or two for dropping/adding players.

Minstrel
03-10-2007, 07:32 PM
I agree that we should try to use as much as we can find, but fielding percentage should not be even considered because 1. Any advanced metric you will find already includes it somehow, and 2. As a singular element it really doesn't mean anything, it's just a part of player's fielding skill and not even a particularly important one.

Are you passing on your waiver rounds, Chris? It's been your turn (and past your turn) for a long time and you've made posts in the meantime.

Minstrel
03-10-2007, 07:34 PM
We'll still do a lightning round on Thursday.

Wade8813
03-10-2007, 08:47 PM
Oops. I'll take 1997. That's what I get for trying to do things as I run out the door...

538280
03-11-2007, 06:34 AM
I have one change actually. I'll replace Manny Ramirez 2006 with Boog Powell 1964.

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 11:34 AM
BoSoxRule and -Kyle- have been skipped. Westlake (ronnie5) is up.

-Kyle-
03-11-2007, 11:53 AM
BoSoxRule and -Kyle- have been skipped. Westlake (ronnie5) is up.
?????????????
Droping Will Clark and picking up Roger Connor
I thought there was only one person on the clock at a time. sorry :o

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 01:51 PM
?????????????
Droping Will Clark and picking up Roger Connor
I thought there was only one person on the clock at a time. sorry :o

Nope...once a window closes, the next one opens...and can then close also. ;)

What year for Connor?

Erik Bedard
03-11-2007, 02:21 PM
I see one guy on the board who I'm astounded hasn't been taken yet.

-Kyle-
03-11-2007, 02:56 PM
I see one guy on the board who I'm astounded hasn't been taken yet.
Hmmm...I don't see him...yet. :atthepc

-Kyle-
03-11-2007, 03:01 PM
Nope...once a window closes, the next one opens...and can then close also. ;)

What year for Connor?
1888, with a 176 OPS+ and a FRAA (whatever the heck that is) of 18.

plask_stirlac
03-11-2007, 06:42 PM
I see one guy on the board who I'm astounded hasn't been taken yet.

I concur, perhaps more if I had my list.

plask

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 07:00 PM
Westlake skipped.

ChrisLDuncan drops Lance Berkman and selects Manny Ramirez. I'll assume 2000 (which is what his last selector had), but he can confirm.

yanks0714 is up.

Erik Bedard
03-11-2007, 07:26 PM
Three more picks... I can't wait that long!

yanks0714
03-11-2007, 08:39 PM
I elect to Opt Out this round.

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 09:23 PM
I elect to Opt Out this round.

Remember that you need to opt back in before the next pick of yours that you want to use.

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 09:27 PM
I select:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/dutch_leonard_autograph.jpg

Dutch Leonard

I decided it was a waste to carry a sixth starter who couldn't relieve and was therefore useless until one of my top-five starters was hurt, so I'm replacing him with Leonard, who was a useful starter and reliever. He can join the bullpen and start in place of an injured starter. Years to be determined once Baseball Prospectus un-breaks.

I drop Spud Chandler.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-11-2007, 09:36 PM
I will Drop Rafael Palmeiro and in his place I will take Lance Berkman 2006

Minstrel
03-11-2007, 10:38 PM
I select:

Dutch Leonard

I decided it was a waste to carry a sixth starter who couldn't relieve and was therefore useless until one of my top-five starters was hurt, so I'm replacing him with Leonard, who was a useful starter and reliever. He can join the bullpen and start in place of an injured starter. Years to be determined once Baseball Prospectus un-breaks.

I'll take his 1945 season as a starter and his 1952 season as a reliever.

Erik Bedard
03-12-2007, 04:30 AM
I'll drop Vince Coleman and pick up...

David Ortiz, 2004.
http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/mlb/boston-red-sox/2004/world_series/04-world-series-gm1-david-ortiz-home-run-sm.jpg

Wee Willie
03-12-2007, 07:03 PM
Since AlecBoy's time has passed, I will:

drop Al Holland

and

add Jeff Fassero - 1993

candy curveball cummings
03-12-2007, 07:40 PM
delete this post

Erik Bedard
03-13-2007, 08:15 AM
I still don't like it, but anyway, I'll go ahead and take Joe Adcock. Year coming when I'm not getting yelled at to get off the computer.

You got this, right? The front page still shows me as taking Stovey. I forgot to pick a year -- will do when I get home, around 3:15.

Also, since Wee Willie dropped Al Holland, I'll pick him up in and drop Gavvy Cravath.

Minstrel
03-13-2007, 10:54 AM
You got this, right? The front page still shows me as taking Stovey. I forgot to pick a year -- will do when I get home, around 3:15.

Also, since Wee Willie dropped Al Holland, I'll pick him up in and drop Gavvy Cravath.

I didn't see it, but got it now. You also need a year on Holland.

ronnie5
03-13-2007, 11:29 AM
Evan (Westlake) just informed me he'll be passing on the waiver draft. You can go ahead and skip him.

Minstrel
03-13-2007, 01:12 PM
To whom it may concern:

I'm switching Roberto Alomar's year from 1996 to 1993.

Erik Bedard
03-13-2007, 01:29 PM
I'll use Holland's 1980 season.

AlecBoy006
03-13-2007, 02:00 PM
Drop

Bill Mazeroski- 1960
Derek Lowe 2006

Add
Ryne Sandberg 1990
Babe Adams 1919

Wade8813
03-13-2007, 02:03 PM
Sandberg was already taken, and I didn't see him dropped.

-Kyle-
03-13-2007, 02:05 PM
Sandberg was already taken, and I didn't see him dropped.
by huginton...I bet Alec is estatic, eh? :D

ronnie5
03-13-2007, 05:39 PM
It should be Minstrel's turn now...

Minstrel
03-13-2007, 06:17 PM
I'll pass on this round.

ChrisLDuncan is up, since yanks opted out last round and hasn't opted back in since.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-13-2007, 10:39 PM
I guess I got skipped... sorry for taking so long to pick.
I'll drop My backup 2B man Mark Loretta and Pick up my new backup 2B man Jose Vidro 2003.

-Kyle-
03-14-2007, 11:58 AM
Westlake Opted out...and Duncan's clock is up...

I'll Drop Pete Rose :eek:
And pick up 1st basemen Dolph Camilli 1937 (170 OPS+)

Huntington Avenue
03-14-2007, 05:56 PM
Year changes:
Cy Young 1895---1908
Mel Ott 1935---1936
Joe Cronin 1933---1938

Maybe more later.

ronnie5
03-15-2007, 11:52 AM
I dont think I can make it for the lightning round tonight. Would someone be willing to pick for me? PM me or post if you can, and I'll send you my list. Thanks.

Westlake
03-15-2007, 12:16 PM
Ronnie, send me a PM with yo digits.... my phone was stolen.... :(

Sorry if I held this up at all guys... like I said before, my phone was stolen so it was hard to keep in touch with Ronnie. Just skip me, I think i'm ok with my team.

Wade8813
03-15-2007, 12:54 PM
So, it should be my turn, since BoSox took too long, right?

I'll drop Galarraga, and pick up Rafael Palmeiro - 1999.

ronnie5
03-16-2007, 04:06 PM
538280 and Huntington's time has passed, so I'll make my moves:

Add: Derek Lowe 1999/2006 as my swing pitcher/reliever
Drop: Howie Camnitz

Add: Pete Rose 1973
Drop: Terry Forster

Huntington Avenue
03-16-2007, 07:53 PM
No third pick for me.

Minstrel
03-16-2007, 10:41 PM
Wade8813 is up.

538280
03-17-2007, 07:10 AM
I'd like to drop Frank Linzy 1971 and pick up Kent Mercker 2003

Wade8813
03-17-2007, 09:42 AM
I'll opt out

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-18-2007, 09:16 PM
It's been over a day since the last pick. Who's pick is it?

Minstrel
03-18-2007, 09:31 PM
It's been over a day since the last pick. Who's pick is it?

BoSox Rule, -Kyle-, Westlake, ChrisLDuncan, yanks0714 and Minstrel have been skipped (either due to time passing or previous opt-outs).

Disgruntaledmarinerfan is now on the clock.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-19-2007, 04:08 AM
I will drop SP Orvall Overall and draft SP Howie Camnitz.

Erik Bedard
03-20-2007, 12:58 PM
I'll drop Bill Dahlen and pick up Bobby Doerr. I've been eyeing Doerr since the eighth round, and I finally picked him up.

-Kyle-
03-24-2007, 09:54 AM
I Drop Remlinger and pick up Arthur Rhodes 2001

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
03-24-2007, 10:10 AM
I Drop Remlinger and pick up Arthur Rhodes 2001
You can't Draft Aurthur Rhodes. I drafted him lin the 16th round.
Pick another player.

Minstrel
03-24-2007, 10:37 AM
I will drop SP Orvall Overall and draft SP Howie Camnitz.

Pick a year.

Minstrel
03-24-2007, 10:37 AM
I'll drop Bill Dahlen and pick up Bobby Doerr. I've been eyeing Doerr since the eighth round, and I finally picked him up.

Pick a year.

Minstrel
03-24-2007, 10:37 AM
I Drop Remlinger and pick up Arthur Rhodes 2001

Pick a....

Oh wait. You did. Pick a non-drafted player. ;)

-Kyle-
03-25-2007, 11:06 AM
You can't Draft Aurthur Rhodes. I drafted him lin the 16th round.
Pick another player.
Dang...can I drop Remilinger and simultaneously pick him up again?

Erik Bedard
03-25-2007, 11:10 AM
Pick a year.

1948 .........

Minstrel
03-25-2007, 01:13 PM
Dang...can I drop Remilinger and simultaneously pick him up again?

The transaction wasn't made in the first place since you picked an unavailable player. So if you don't want to make a different transaction, we'll assume you kept Remlinger.

-Kyle-
03-25-2007, 01:26 PM
The transaction wasn't made in the first place since you picked an unavailable player. So if you don't want to make a different transaction, we'll assume you kept Remlinger.
Ok cool....

Minstrel
03-26-2007, 09:30 AM
It appears that the waiver wire draft is finished, as AlecBoy and Wee Willie ran out of time long ago.

Trades can continue until one week after the NL finishes their draft, at which point player acquisition for both leagues will be over and we'll start the voting.

-Kyle-
04-02-2007, 02:43 PM
It appears that the waiver wire draft is finished, as AlecBoy and Wee Willie ran out of time long ago.

Trades can continue until one week after the NL finishes their draft, at which point player acquisition for both leagues will be over and we'll start the voting.
never mind

Westlake
04-02-2007, 02:45 PM
It appears that the waiver wire draft is finished, as AlecBoy and Wee Willie ran out of time long ago.

Trades can continue until one week after the NL finishes their draft, at which point player acquisition for both leagues will be over and we'll start the voting.

The NL is really dragging this down.. We finished on March 8th, and they are in the what, 23rd round?

Wade8813
04-02-2007, 04:20 PM
Yeah, really. We should start without them. We can at least vote for the best AL teams. Heck, unless we're planning interleague play, we can even start the regular season without them.

-Kyle-
04-02-2007, 04:23 PM
huh? .....

Erik Bedard
04-02-2007, 06:17 PM
Won't work that way. Plus, I've been really busy and I haven't quite finished inputting the teams. I'm in about Round 15.

Wade8813
04-02-2007, 09:17 PM
Oh, well if you're still working on getting stuff put in, then at least times not being wasted.

Of course, we could still do the vote.

Westlake
04-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Im down to start the vote ASAP.

Wee Willie
04-03-2007, 12:49 AM
I agree - we should go ahead and have the vote. The NL draft doesn't affect it, and there isn't any more trading going on.

Disgruntaledmarinerfan
04-05-2007, 07:58 AM
I am all for starting the Voting. This AL thread has been close to dead for weeks now. Waiting for the NL will take a long while.
Lets not wait for them I say.

Minstrel
04-05-2007, 09:31 AM
I agree. I figured we'd have to wait eventually, so we might as well let the NL catch up, but I didn't anticipate them taking this much longer.

Wee Willie suggested that we first have a few days to sell/discuss our teams, which I think is a good idea (we presumably put some thought into how we built our teams, so we should get a chance to explain it, if we want). So, we'll have a three-day period to do that, and then we'll open voting.

Huntington Avenue
04-05-2007, 11:19 PM
Good idea, I want to get the show back on the road any way possible at this point.

ChrisLDuncan
01-08-2008, 12:27 AM
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