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Dennie Cunningham
02-24-2006, 05:34 PM
Can anyone tell me if there is still a Negro League ballpark still standing?:clapping Would love to see it........................

Brian McKenna
02-24-2006, 07:32 PM
would assume they played at yankee stadium - possibly wrigley and fenway and at numerous minor league parks around the country that may still be standing - very few negro league clubs had their own park and they weren't concrete and steel facilities designed to last for decades - afterall their potential audiences was less than 20% of the nation and that's potential not actual - no $$

Cucamongadan
02-24-2006, 07:42 PM
Rickwood Field would be a good one for you look up- see also thread about Birmingham Black Barons re-creation game scheduled there.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=39845

buccos1979
04-04-2006, 05:09 PM
Engle Stadium in Chattanooga TN has Negro League hisory, so does RFK Stadium in Washington DC

Bob Hannah
04-05-2006, 01:23 PM
... so does RFK Stadium in Washington DC

RFK (formerly known as D.C. Stadium) has no Negro League history. You may be thinking of Griffith, which was demolished about 1965. It is now the site of Howard University Hospital.

steveironcity
04-05-2006, 02:53 PM
West Field in Munhall, PA a mile or so from Homestead, is still standing, though it is in very rough shape. The grays played there in the 20s

1995hoo
04-06-2006, 07:31 AM
Bob Hannah is correct about RFK—it opened in 1961, after the Negro Leagues were consigned to history.

erniepaul21
07-10-2007, 11:00 PM
I went to West park (behind the Munhall community ctr, or maybe it was a firehall or something) and could not find one stitch of evidence that commemorated the Grays or negro leagues or anything for that matter.....How could that field be so overlooked???

StanTheMan
07-12-2007, 04:59 PM
Tiger Stadium - Negro East-West League Detroit Wolves 1932, and Negro National League Detroit Stars 1933, as well as Negro American League Detroit Stars 1937.

Yankee Stadium - Negro NL New York Black Yankees 1946-1948

Rickwood Field - Negro NL Birmingham Black Barons 1923-1925... Negro Southern League Birm. Black Barons (BBB) 1932.... Negro AL BBB 1937-38, adn 194-1950.

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RichardLillard1
07-12-2007, 06:18 PM
I saw about 30 or so games there... caught 4 foul balls, and stole the managers hat off his head after the team won the AAA World Series on year. I had the guy (Joe Sparks) autograph the hat the next season... when he turned it over to sign the bill... his number 7 was on it. He signed it, just grinned and gave it back to me.

The park has most recently been used for a RACE-TRACK, and hosts midget and sprint car races.


Stan, you are the lucky man (couldn't resist, sorry).


In terms of where the Negro League players played, it depends on how big thier team was. I know the Black Yankees used Yankee Stadium and the Homestead Grays used Griffith. I believe it was the same all over the league in most of the bigger cities.


Richard

Richmond Hill Phoenix
07-13-2007, 12:02 AM
Oakville Negro League Park, Oakville MD: http://www.digitalballparks.com/Negro/Oakville.html.

Looks real old, and really neat.

Calif_Eagle
07-14-2007, 07:29 PM
Any pictures out there of Mack Park in Detroit or Greenlee Field in Pittsburgh? I understood these to be 2 of the very few parks built specifically for "major" Negro League competition, along perhaps the previously mentioned West Field for the Homestead Grays. Would love to see any or all pictures out there of any of these ballparks.

Oakland56
08-26-2007, 08:14 AM
I went to West park (behind the Munhall community ctr, or maybe it was a firehall or something) and could not find one stitch of evidence that commemorated the Grays or negro leagues or anything for that matter.....How could that field be so overlooked???

I agree, Charlie Batch of the Steelers and Josh Gibsons grandson, Sean Gibson were suppose to be renovating the field. But that was about a year ago, and nothing is being done. :cry:

Brian McKenna
09-04-2007, 01:26 PM
Negro Colored League, 1887

Boston Resolutes
South End Grounds I Boston MA 1887

Lord Baltimores
Oriole Park I Baltimore MD 1887

Louisville Fall Citys
Eclipse Park I Louisville KY 1887

New York Gothams
Polo Grounds I New York NY 1887

Philadelphia Pythians
Huntingdon Grounds I Philadelphia PA 1887

Pittsburg Keystones
Recreation Park Pittsburgh PA 1887

Negro National League, 1920-31, 1933-48

Akron Black Tyrites
League Park II Akron OH 1933

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1934

Baltimore Black Sox
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1933
Bugle Field Baltimore MD 1933-34

Baltimore Elite Giants
Gordy Park Salisbury MD 1941 (1 gm)
Venable Stadium Baltimore MD 1944-48

Birmingham Black Barons
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1924-25
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1927-30

Brooklyn Eagles
Ebbets Field Brooklyn NY 1935

Chi Cole's American Giants
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1933
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1933-35

Chicago American Giants
Piqua Park Piqua IL 1920
Soldier Field Chicago IL 1924
37th and Butler Chicago IL 1931
Normal Park Chicago IL 1920-21
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920-31
Hampton Institute Field Hampton VA 1920s
Leland Giants Park Chicago IL 1922-23
Asbury Ball Park Chicago IL 1925-26
Pyott's Park Chicago IL 1928-30
Shewbridge Park Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Mills Stadium Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Spencer Field Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Borchert Field Milwaukee WI 1935 (1 gm)

Chicago Giants
67th and Langley Chicago IL 1920-21

Cincinnati Clowns
Municipal Park Springfield OH 1943 (1 gm)

Cincinnati Cuban Stars
Northside Park Cincinnati OH 1921

Cleveland Browns
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1924

Cleveland Cubs
Cubs Stadium Cleveland OH 1931
Hardware Field Cleveland OH 1931

Cleveland Elites
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1926

Cleveland Giants
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1933

Cleveland Hornets
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1927

Cleveland Red Sox
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1934

Cleveland Tate Stars
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1922

Columbus Bluebirds
Red Bird Stadium Columbus OH 1933

Columbus Buckeyes
Neil Park II Columbus OH 1921

Columbus Elite Giants
Red Bird Stadium Columbus OH 1935

Cuban Stars West
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920s

Cubans
Estadio Cerveza Tropicale Havana 1930s-40s
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1935-36

Dayton Marcos
Ducks Park Dayton OH 1920, 26

Detroit Stars
Mack Park Detroit MI 1920-29
Hamtramck Stadium Hamtramck MI 1930-31, 33

Harrisburg-St. Louis Stars
Island Stadium Harrisburg PA 1943

Havana Cuban Stars
Estadio Gran I Havana 1920
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1920

Homestead Grays
Pennsylvania Railroad Park Altoona PA 1930s
Municipal Field Homestead PA 1930s
Point Stadium Johnstown PA 1930s
Page Park Monessen PA 1930s
Peters' Park Danville VA 1930s (1 gm)
Butler Field Butler PA 1935-36
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1935-38
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1935-48
Mark Grey Athletic Park Zanesville OH 1938 (1 gm)
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1939-48
Halloran Park Lima OH 1942 (1 gm)

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1931
Walnut Park Muncie IN 1920 (1 gm)
Riverside Park Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Northwestern Ave Grounds Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Speedway Park Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Lebanon Memorial Park Lebanon IN 1920s
Dean Park Crawfordsville IN 1923 (1 gm)

Kansas City Monarchs
Association Park II Kansas City MO 1920-22
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920s
Paradeway Park Kansas City MO 1923-30

Louisville White Sox
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1931

Memphis Red Sox
Sulphur Dell I Nashville TN 1924-25
Martin Park Memphis TN 24-25,27,29-30

Milwaukee Bears
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1923
Borchert Field Milwaukee WI 1923

Nashville Elite Giants
Wilson Park Nashville TN 1930
Sulphur Dell II Nashville TN 1930, 33-34
Engel Stadium Chattanooga TN 1930s

New York Black Yankees
Hebrew Orphan Asylum Oval New York NY 1936
Hawkins Stadium Albany NY 1948 (1 gm)
Red Wing Stadium Rochester NY 1948
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1930s-40s
Triborough Stadium New York NY 1937-38
Hinchliffe Stadium Paterson NJ 1939-47
Offermann Stadium Buffalo NY 1940s
Roosevelt Stadium Jersey City NJ 1940s
Yankees Stadium New York NY 1940s
MacArthur Stadium Syracuse NY 1940s

New York Cuban Stars
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1922

New York Cuban Stars West
Catholic Protectory Oval New York NY 1923-30

New York Cubans
Recreation Park III New York NY 1935
59th Street Bridge New York NY 1939
Queens Park New York NY 1940
Polo Grounds V New York NY 1948
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1930s-40s
Grove Street Oval II East Orange NJ 1941-47

Newark Dodgers
Meadowbrook Oval Newark NJ 1934-35
Olemar Field Irvington NJ 1935 (1 gm)

Newark Eagles
Dunn Field Trenton NJ 1946
Ruppert Stadium Newark NJ 1936-48

Philadelphia Bacharach Giants
Passon Park Philadelphia PA 1934

Philadelphia Stars
Passon Park Philadelphia PA 1934-35
Penmar Park Philadelphia PA 1936-48

Pittsburgh Crawfords
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1937
Point Stadium Johnstown PA 1930s
Ammon Field Pittsburgh PA 1933-38
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1933-38

Pittsburgh Keystones
Central Park Pittsburgh PA 1922

St. Louis Giants
Handlan's Park St. Louis MO 1920-21

St. Louis Stars
Giants Park St. Louis MO 1922
Handlan's Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Vandeventer Lot II St. Louis MO 1920s
Easton Street Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Market Street Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Stars Park St. Louis MO 1922-31

Toledo Tigers
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1923

Washington Black Senators
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1938

Washington Elite Giants
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1937
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1936-37

Eastern Colored League, 1923-28

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bronx Oval New York NY 1920s
Lewisohn Stadium New York NY 1920s
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1923-28

Baltimore Black Sox
Druid Hill Baltimore MD 1920s
Maryland Baseball Park Baltimore MD 1923-28

Brooklyn Royal Giants
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1923-27

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1923-27

Harrisburg Giants
West End Grounds Harrisburg PA 1924-27

Hilldale
Rosemore Park Lancaster PA 1925 (1 gm)

New York Cuban Stars East
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1923-28

New York Lincoln Giants
Wivchar Stadium Riverhead NY 1920s
Olympic Field New York NY 1923-26, 28

Newark Stars
Newark Schools Stadium Newark NJ 1926

Philadelphia Hilldales
Razzberry Park Camden NJ 1923

Philadelphia Tigers
Chessline Park Philadelphia PA 1928

Washington Potomacs
Standpipe Park Washington DC 1924

American Negro League, 1929

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1929

Baltimore Black Sox
Maryland Baseball Park Baltimore MD 1929

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1929

Homestead Grays
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Grays Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Ammon Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Washington Park Pittsburgh PA 1929

New York Cuban Stars East
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1929

New York Lincoln Giants
Olympic Field New York NY 1929

Negro Southern League, 1932

Atlanta Black Crackers
Ponce de Leon Park II Atlanta GA 1932

Chi Cole's American Giants
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1932

Columbus Turfs
Neil Park II Columbus OH 1932

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1932

Little Rock Grays
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1932

Louisville Black Caps
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1932

Memphis Red Sox
Martin Park Memphis TN 1932

Monroe Monarchs
Casino Park Monroe LA 1932

Montgomery Grey Sox
Cramton Bowl Montgomery AL 1932
College Hill Park Montgomery AL 1932

Nashville Elite Giants
Wilson Park Nashville TN 1932
Sulphur Dell II Nashville TN 1932

Negro East-West League, 1932

Baltimore Black Sox
Bugle Field Baltimore MD 1932

Cleveland Stars
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1932

Cuban Stars
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1932

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1932

Detroit Wolves
Hamtramck Stadium Hamtramck MI 1932

Homestead Grays
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1932
Cycler Park McKeesport PA 1932 (1 gm)

Newark Browns
Sprague Field Bloomfield NJ 1932
Meadowbrook Oval Newark NJ 1932

Pittsburgh Crawfords
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1932
League Park II Akron OH 1932 (1 gm)
Mahaffey Park Canton OH 1932 (1 gm)

Washington Pilots
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1932

Negro American League, 1937-61

Atlanta Black Crackers
Ponce de Leon Park II Atlanta GA 1938

Baltimore Elite Giants
Venable Stadium Baltimore MD 1949
Terrapin Park Baltimore MD 1938-44
Westport Stadium Westport MD 1950-51

Birmingham Black Barons
Hilton Park Wilmington NC 1930s
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1937-38
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1940-61
McCormick Field Asheville NC 1940s
Athletic Park Durham NC 1940s
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1940s
Luther Williams Field Macon GA 1940s
Devereaux Meadow Raleigh NC 1940s
Grayson Stadium Savannah GA 1940s

Chicago American Giants
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1937-40
Turner Field Hammond IN 1941 (1 gm)
Comiskey Park I Chicago IL 1941-52

Cincinnati Buckeyes
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1942

Cincinnati Clowns
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1943
Lanphier Park Springfield IL 1943
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1945

Cincinnati Tigers
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1937

Cleveland Bears
Hardware Field Cleveland OH 1939-40

Cleveland Buckeyes
League Park IV Cleveland OH 1943-48, 50

Detroit Clowns
Mack Park Detroit MI 1958

Detroit Stars
De Quindre Park Detroit MI 1937
Sportsman's Park Detroit MI 1937 (1 gm)
Mack Park Detroit MI 1954-57, 59
Tiger Stadium Detroit MI 1957 (1 gm)

Detroit-New Orleans Stars
Mack Park Detroit MI 1960-61
Stars Field New Orleans LA 1960-61

Houston Eagles
Clark Field Austin TX 1949-50
Buff Stadium Houston TX 1949-50

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1938-39

Indianapolis Athletics
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1937

Indianapolis Clowns
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1946-55
Offermann Stadium Buffalo NY 1951-55

Indianapolis Crawfords
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1940

Indianapolis-Cincinnati Clowns
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1944
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1944

Jacksonville Red Caps
Durkee Field Jacksonville FL 1938, 41-42

Kansas City Monarchs
Belleville H.S. Athletic Field Belleville IL 1950
Municipal Stadium Kansas City MO 1937-61
Ainsworth Field Erie PA 1940s
Sportsman's Park IV St. Louis MO 1941 (1 gm)
Valley Field Grand Rapids MI 1956-61
Golden Park Columbus GA 1957-61
Lakeside Park Decatur AL 1957-61
Legion Field Decatur AL 1957-61
Highland Park Stadium Kokomo IN 1957-61
Legio Field Lake Charles LA 1957-61
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1957-61
Centennial Field Tallahassee FL 1957-61
Martin Park Memphis TN 1960-61

Louisville Black Colonels
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1954

Louisville Buckeyes
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1949

Many Teams Cardines Field Newport RI 1930s-40s

Memphis Red Sox
Martin Park Memphis TN 1937-41, 43-59
Municipal Stadium Greenville SC 1940s
Russwood Park Memphis TN 1940s

Mobile Havana Cuban Giants
Hartwell Field Mobile AL 1957

New Orleans Bears
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1957

New Orleans Eagles
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1951

New Orleans-St. Louis Stars
Mounds Ballfield Mounds IL 1939
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1941
South End Park St. Louis MO 1941
Sportsman's Park IV St. Louis MO 1941 (1 gm)

New York Cubans
Polo Grounds V New York NY 1949-50

Newark Indians
Ruppert Stadium Newark NJ 1959

Philadelphia Stars
Penmar Park Philadelphia PA 1949-52

Raleigh Tigers
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1959
Clarksville Stadium Clarksville VA 1961
Old Armory Field Lumberton NC 1961
Smithfield Stadium Smithfield NC 1961
Engel Stadium Chattanooga TN 1959 (1 gm)
American Legion Park Newton NC 1959 (1 gm)
Legion Field Whiteville NC 1959 (1 gm)
13th and Anne Streets Park Wilmington NC 1959 (1 gm)
American Legion Field Wallace NC 1959, 61 (2 gm)
Chavis Park Raleigh NC 1959-61
Griffith Park Charlotte NC 1961 (1 gm)
Whittemore Athletic Field Conway SC 1961 (1 gm)
Athletic Park Durham NC 1961 (1 gm)
Hicks Field Edenton NC 1961 (1 gm)
War Memorial Stadium Greensboro NC 1961 (1 gm)
Brewer H.S. Field Greenwood SC 1961 (1 gm)
Rockingham Stadium Rockingham NC 1961 (1 gm)
Municipal Stadium Rocky Mount NC 1961 (1 gm)
Talbert Park Rocky Mount NC 1961 (1 gm)
Riley Park Sumter SC 1961 (1 gm)
American Legion Stadium Wilmington NC 1961 (1 gm)

St. Louis Stars
Metropolitan Park St. Louis MO 1937
South End Park St. Louis MO 1939

Toldeo Crawfords
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1939

baseballPAP
09-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Wow...thats an excellent post!

bryanac625
09-04-2007, 02:50 PM
Very interesting! I've just always thought of the Negro League teams playing games in MLB ballparks. I guess they played in any park they could.

Did any NL teams own their own ballparks? I have wondered that as well.

At least in the case of one club, Washington Senators owner Clark Griffith opposed integration, not so much out of overt racism but because he depended on the Negro League games to supplement the income of his futile Senators.

Brian McKenna
09-04-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm not sure if any Negro league clubs owned their own park. I would suspect that maybe their was some sort of $ interest in Gus Greenlee Field in Pittsburgh but I really don't know.

SBBL
09-06-2007, 09:08 AM
:baseball:
In 1931 Gus Greenlee, owner of the Pittsburg Crawfords, bought an old cemetary and dug up the bodies. This was the piece of land were he built The Palace Of Black Baseball, Greenlee Field.

It opened in 1932. The $100,000 cost of the land and park was financed entirely by Greenlee. It was, historicaly speaking, a remarkable achievement.

In 1939 Greenlee was deep in dept and sold ownership to a group of white buisness men. The park was torn down within weeks.
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In Chicago, Rube Foster had an odd deal at Schorling Park. Foster owned the rites to the grandstand, while the white leagues owner Charles Comiskey owned the rites to the entire rest of the park and land.

bulldogbats
09-06-2007, 11:59 AM
Check out a book entitled Green Cathedrals. It has information, including park dimensions and useage for every park used even for one major league game, including Negro leagues.

It's the kind of book you pick up to answer one question, and an hour later, you are still reading.

2Chance
09-07-2007, 09:07 AM
Oakland56 shared this slideshow (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c336/Derek44/th_PICT2614.jpg) of West Field, used by the Homestead Grays.

Malt-tones has some information on Mack Park (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=49571), but is presumably still looking for more, and there is one picture there....


Good thread.

SBBL
09-07-2007, 09:15 AM
Check out a book entitled Green Cathedrals. It has information, including park dimensions and useage for every park used even for one major league game, including Negro leagues.


Well put. The Negro leagues were major league. :applaud:

Brian McKenna
09-11-2007, 02:55 PM
Investing in black ballplarks was a risky business.

The Hilldales spent $14,000 renovating Hilldale Park in 1931. A ton of cash was spend on renovations on the Dyckman Oval in 1935 and Greenlee and investors spent nearly six figures on a new park in 1932.

All three of these parks were gone by 1939.

Doug Miller
09-11-2007, 10:27 PM
West Field is in sorry shape. I was there on Sunday, and will try to post pics in the next few days.

Doug

BalUmp
02-23-2008, 11:20 PM
I was looking for Bugle Field (Baltimore) on your NAL list but did not see it. Wikipedia says it was torn down in 1949 during the playoffs so I guess this article for an NAL playoff game there must be the last game played at the Field.

Did Bugle Field have another name?

Thanks,
BalUmp

Brian McKenna
02-24-2008, 08:09 AM
I was looking for Bugle Field (Baltimore) on your NAL list but did not see it. Wikipedia says it was torn down in 1949 during the playoffs so I guess this article for an NAL playoff game there must be the last game played at the Field.

Did Bugle Field have another name?

Thanks,
BalUmp

This park was named after the Bugle Coat and Apron Supply Company, Maryland's largest laundry company. The Bugle Co. was owned by the Washington Senators Cuban scout, Joe Cambria, who also owned the Black Sox.

Bugle Field was also called Moore's Field at some point.

I took the ballpark listings out of Green Cathedrals. The listing would, I believe, be made only if the team used the park for league play. Of couse, many venues were used for other contests against semi-pros, colleges, ML, NgL and amateur clubs.

If they did play league games there in the NAL then I may have simply missed the listing (don't have the book at hand). Now that I notice the gap in the dates - I probably did.

Paul Wendt
02-24-2008, 04:19 PM
All,
When you post a newspaper clipping please try to provide the source city, name, date


:baseball:
In Chicago, Rube Foster had an odd deal at Schorling Park. Foster owned the rites to the grandstand, while the white leagues owner Charles Comiskey owned the rites to the entire rest of the park and land.

Do you mean Comiskey was the Chicago AL owner? Or owner of another club/team that used Schorling Park?

This deal maybe stuck Foster with the property at risk of destruction by fire. Was the grandstand largely built of wood?
I don't know how much structure there was at the site ("entire rest of the park") but I guess the grandstand represented most of the structure value in contrast to site value and improvement of the ground.

UM2020
04-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Very interesting! I've just always thought of the Negro League teams playing games in MLB ballparks. I guess they played in any park they could.

Did any NL teams own their own ballparks? I have wondered that as well.

At least in the case of one club, Washington Senators owner Clark Griffith opposed integration, not so much out of overt racism but because he depended on the Negro League games to supplement the income of his futile Senators.

J.B. & B.B. Martin owned the Memphis Red Sox for the better part of their existence. They built Martin Park at 494 Crump Blvd for The Red Sox and was equiped w/ dorms under the leftfield bleachers for the visiting team.

doctor_gogol
08-12-2010, 12:29 PM
For years, I heard that Keyworth/Hamtramck Stadium was the home of the Detroit Stars. In Richard Bak's book "Turkey Stearns and the Detroit Stars", he falsely mentions this numerous times.

Visiting there, it seemed impossible that a baseball team could play there. The outfield fences would have to be impossibly close, and the centerfield impossibly far. Its even a odder fit than the LA Coliseum.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0003.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0002.jpg

Keyworth Stadium was a WPA project built in the 1930s. Built for Football. However, the Detroit Stars already had played in the neighborhood for several years before Keyworth was built.

Walking to the back end of Keyworth, you'll see way in the back of an adjoining field, covered in overgrowth, Roesink Stadium. This is where the Detroit Stars played.

Roesink stadium was built in 1929 (a few blocks from Hamtramck's Dodge Main plant). Their previous stadium, Mack Park burned after a long rain delay produced a soggy field. The owner of the Stars (John Roesink) tried to expedite the drying of the field by burning gasoline, which spread to the stands. hundreds were injured, none were killed. As a result, Roesink built a new stadium in Hamtramck for the Stars.

Roesink Stadium was also the scene of the very 1st night game in Detroit history. The KC Monarchs traveled with portable lights. This was 18 years before night baseball at Briggs (Tiger) Stadium.

At the grand opening, Ty Cobb threw out the 1st pitch. Whenever in town, Babe Ruth would visit to see the negro league players.

More info here:
http://detroit1701.org/Roesink.html

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0012.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0016.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0017.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0018.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0019.jpg

A view from atop the pitcher's mound, which is still there!

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/detoth67/IMG_0020.jpg


On a related note- John Roesink had another claim to baseball fame. He owned a pants shop just outside the center field area of Navin Field. The HR Ruth hit over the center field wall, that many call the longest in history, bounced off the roof of Roesink's pants store. When Navin was expanded into Briggs Stadium, Roesink's pants store property became the bleacher entrance.

stlfan
08-12-2010, 12:40 PM
"Their previous stadium, Mack Park burned after a long rain delay produced a soggy field. The owner of the Stars (John Roesink) tried to expedite the drying of the field by burning gasoline, which spread to the stands. hundreds were injured, none were killed."

Baseball team owner FAIL.

Lpeters199
08-12-2010, 05:13 PM
SultanOfWhat posted two great pictures showing Roesink's Pant Store, one of them tracking the Babe's mighty shot off the roof.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?37535-Babe-Ruth-Discussion-Thread&p=1724356#post1724356

doctor_gogol
08-12-2010, 07:45 PM
SultanOfWhat posted two great pictures showing Roesink's Pant Store, one of them tracking the Babe's mighty shot off the roof.

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?37535-Babe-Ruth-Discussion-Thread&p=1724356#post1724356

Nice spite wall keeping Roesink from seeing the game from his store. On the left are the temporary stands built for the 35 series.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o164/emstc/1934WS-TemporaryStandsatDetroitTige.jpg

doctor_gogol
08-12-2010, 07:57 PM
One other thing:

WHOO HOO! My 700th post!!!

Gylmar
08-14-2010, 02:55 PM
Interesting stuff! I never knew about Roesink Stadium or the pants store down at Navin Field. :think:

dugdale
02-11-2011, 02:56 AM
Anyone have any info on where the Baltimore Elite Giants played? That was my little league team, and being a young white kid I had no idea what the team was at the time. But that cap will always be my favorite and I think that sparked my interest in baseball's "golden" years.

edit: read the big ol clipping at the bottom right after I post this haha. But it seems the possibly played at quite a few places like the rest of the teams too.

alpineinc
02-11-2011, 08:14 AM
Hinchcliffe Stadium, Paterson, NJ home of the New York Black Yankees

Hinchcliffe Stadium, Paterson NJ BBF thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97977-Hinchcliffe-Stadium)

Capital City Goofball
02-19-2011, 03:41 PM
Schools Stadium, Newark, NJ home of the Newark Stars, demolished in 2009

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1986/picture1tx.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9278/picture2qk.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4520/picture4vi.jpg

Coloradodomer
02-19-2011, 05:01 PM
The Polo Grounds of the Negro Leagues.
Great pictures. Thanks!

Capital City Goofball
02-20-2011, 03:19 PM
I found this pic of Gus Greenlee Field and a marker of where the park used to stand.

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This is also interesting, a memorial to the Philadelphia Stars located at 44th and Parkside, site of the Stars' ballfield:

http://cml.upenn.edu/murals/images_murals/1376_jr.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/104/306744533_b696b15149_z.jpg?zz=1

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/306745403_ea2b9ccc38_z.jpg?zz=1

KJOK
02-27-2011, 01:30 PM
Gary Gillette gave this presentation at the most recent SABR convention:

http://convention.sabr.org/archive/sabr40/presentations/267-fading-to-black-the-perilous-state-of-surviving-negro-league-ballparks

KJOK
02-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Technically the deal was with Schorling, who was Comiskey's son in law.

The "new" grandstand DID burn partially down at one point.

KJOK
02-27-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm not sure if any Negro league clubs owned their own park. I would suspect that maybe their was some sort of $ interest in Gus Greenlee Field in Pittsburgh but I really don't know.

In the 1920's several teams owned their park, such as the Martin's in Memphis and the St. Louis Stars.

Capital City Goofball
02-27-2011, 03:16 PM
Speaking of Schorling's Park... I found this pic of the stadium on the website http://agatetype.typepad.com/agate_type/negro-league-ballparks/ (this site has an amazing amount of information about Negro League Ballparks):

The third South Side Park, the best known and longest lived venue by that name in Chicago, IL, was on the north side of 39th Street (now called Pershing Road) between South Wentworth Avenue and South Princeton Avenue.

The 39th Street Grounds served as the playing field of the Chicago Wanderers cricket team during the 1893 World's Fair. After Charles Comiskey built a wooden grandstand on the site in 1900, it became the home of the Chicago White Sox of the American League. It served as home to the White Sox first in 1900 as a minor league team, and then from 1901 to June 27, 1910 as a major league team.

The team abandoned the wooden ballpark, with its capacity of 15,000, in the middle of the 1910 season after their new steel-and-concrete, and much larger Comiskey Park was finished, just three blocks north of the old park (corner to corner), where they began an 80½ season run.

Meanwhile, South Side Park became the home of the newly formed Negro League baseball team called the Chicago American Giants in 1911. It was renamed Schorling's Park for team owner Rube Foster's white business partner, John C. Schorling, a south side saloon keeper who leased the grounds and happened to be Comiskey's son-in-law.

The American Giants played their games there through the 1940 season. Then on Christmas Day of 1940, Schorling's Park was destroyed by fire. The American Giants would play their remaining 10 seasons at Comiskey Park. Today, the Chicago Housing Authority's Wentworth Gardens housing project occupies the site.

The South Side Park / Schorling's Park / Wentworth Gardens site is located across Pershing Road from a junkyard site which was named a Superfund site in the late 1990s.

Schorling's Park, circa 1920's:
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circa 1930's:
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Capital City Goofball
03-01-2011, 09:02 AM
http://myinwood.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Dyckman-Oval-Nagel-Ave-Academy-St-v-NE-1937.jpg

milladrive
01-19-2012, 10:35 AM
Negro Colored League, 1887

Boston Resolutes
South End Grounds I Boston MA 1887

Lord Baltimores
Oriole Park I Baltimore MD 1887

Louisville Fall Citys
Eclipse Park I Louisville KY 1887

New York Gothams
Polo Grounds I New York NY 1887

Philadelphia Pythians
Huntingdon Grounds I Philadelphia PA 1887

Pittsburg Keystones
Recreation Park Pittsburgh PA 1887

Negro National League, 1920-31, 1933-48

Akron Black Tyrites
League Park II Akron OH 1933

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1934

Baltimore Black Sox
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1933
Bugle Field Baltimore MD 1933-34

Baltimore Elite Giants
Gordy Park Salisbury MD 1941 (1 gm)
Venable Stadium Baltimore MD 1944-48

Birmingham Black Barons
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1924-25
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1927-30

Brooklyn Eagles
Ebbets Field Brooklyn NY 1935

Chi Cole's American Giants
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1933
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1933-35

Chicago American Giants
Piqua Park Piqua IL 1920
Soldier Field Chicago IL 1924
37th and Butler Chicago IL 1931
Normal Park Chicago IL 1920-21
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920-31
Hampton Institute Field Hampton VA 1920s
Leland Giants Park Chicago IL 1922-23
Asbury Ball Park Chicago IL 1925-26
Pyott's Park Chicago IL 1928-30
Shewbridge Park Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Mills Stadium Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Spencer Field Chicago IL 1935 (1 gm)
Borchert Field Milwaukee WI 1935 (1 gm)

Chicago Giants
67th and Langley Chicago IL 1920-21

Cincinnati Clowns
Municipal Park Springfield OH 1943 (1 gm)

Cincinnati Cuban Stars
Northside Park Cincinnati OH 1921

Cleveland Browns
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1924

Cleveland Cubs
Cubs Stadium Cleveland OH 1931
Hardware Field Cleveland OH 1931

Cleveland Elites
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1926

Cleveland Giants
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1933

Cleveland Hornets
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1927

Cleveland Red Sox
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1934

Cleveland Tate Stars
Beyerle's Park Newburgh Hgts OH 1922

Columbus Bluebirds
Red Bird Stadium Columbus OH 1933

Columbus Buckeyes
Neil Park II Columbus OH 1921

Columbus Elite Giants
Red Bird Stadium Columbus OH 1935

Cuban Stars West
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920s

Cubans
Estadio Cerveza Tropicale Havana 1930s-40s
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1935-36

Dayton Marcos
Ducks Park Dayton OH 1920, 26

Detroit Stars
Mack Park Detroit MI 1920-29
Hamtramck Stadium Hamtramck MI 1930-31, 33

Harrisburg-St. Louis Stars
Island Stadium Harrisburg PA 1943

Havana Cuban Stars
Estadio Gran I Havana 1920
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1920

Homestead Grays
Pennsylvania Railroad Park Altoona PA 1930s
Municipal Field Homestead PA 1930s
Point Stadium Johnstown PA 1930s
Page Park Monessen PA 1930s
Peters' Park Danville VA 1930s (1 gm)
Butler Field Butler PA 1935-36
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1935-38
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1935-48
Mark Grey Athletic Park Zanesville OH 1938 (1 gm)
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1939-48
Halloran Park Lima OH 1942 (1 gm)

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1931
Walnut Park Muncie IN 1920 (1 gm)
Riverside Park Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Northwestern Ave Grounds Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Speedway Park Indianapolis IN 1920-26
Lebanon Memorial Park Lebanon IN 1920s
Dean Park Crawfordsville IN 1923 (1 gm)

Kansas City Monarchs
Association Park II Kansas City MO 1920-22
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1920s
Paradeway Park Kansas City MO 1923-30

Louisville White Sox
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1931

Memphis Red Sox
Sulphur Dell I Nashville TN 1924-25
Martin Park Memphis TN 24-25,27,29-30

Milwaukee Bears
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1923
Borchert Field Milwaukee WI 1923

Nashville Elite Giants
Wilson Park Nashville TN 1930
Sulphur Dell II Nashville TN 1930, 33-34
Engel Stadium Chattanooga TN 1930s

New York Black Yankees
Hebrew Orphan Asylum Oval New York NY 1936
Hawkins Stadium Albany NY 1948 (1 gm)
Red Wing Stadium Rochester NY 1948
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1930s-40s
Triborough Stadium New York NY 1937-38
Hinchliffe Stadium Paterson NJ 1939-47
Offermann Stadium Buffalo NY 1940s
Roosevelt Stadium Jersey City NJ 1940s
Yankees Stadium New York NY 1940s
MacArthur Stadium Syracuse NY 1940s

New York Cuban Stars
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1922

New York Cuban Stars West
Catholic Protectory Oval New York NY 1923-30

New York Cubans
Recreation Park III New York NY 1935
59th Street Bridge New York NY 1939
Queens Park New York NY 1940
Polo Grounds V New York NY 1948
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1930s-40s
Grove Street Oval II East Orange NJ 1941-47

Newark Dodgers
Meadowbrook Oval Newark NJ 1934-35
Olemar Field Irvington NJ 1935 (1 gm)

Newark Eagles
Dunn Field Trenton NJ 1946
Ruppert Stadium Newark NJ 1936-48

Philadelphia Bacharach Giants
Passon Park Philadelphia PA 1934

Philadelphia Stars
Passon Park Philadelphia PA 1934-35
Penmar Park Philadelphia PA 1936-48

Pittsburgh Crawfords
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1937
Point Stadium Johnstown PA 1930s
Ammon Field Pittsburgh PA 1933-38
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1933-38

Pittsburgh Keystones
Central Park Pittsburgh PA 1922

St. Louis Giants
Handlan's Park St. Louis MO 1920-21

St. Louis Stars
Giants Park St. Louis MO 1922
Handlan's Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Vandeventer Lot II St. Louis MO 1920s
Easton Street Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Market Street Park St. Louis MO 1920s
Stars Park St. Louis MO 1922-31

Toledo Tigers
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1923

Washington Black Senators
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1938

Washington Elite Giants
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1937
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1936-37

Eastern Colored League, 1923-28

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bronx Oval New York NY 1920s
Lewisohn Stadium New York NY 1920s
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1923-28

Baltimore Black Sox
Druid Hill Baltimore MD 1920s
Maryland Baseball Park Baltimore MD 1923-28

Brooklyn Royal Giants
Dexter Park Brooklyn NY 1923-27

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1923-27

Harrisburg Giants
West End Grounds Harrisburg PA 1924-27

Hilldale
Rosemore Park Lancaster PA 1925 (1 gm)

New York Cuban Stars East
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1923-28

New York Lincoln Giants
Wivchar Stadium Riverhead NY 1920s
Olympic Field New York NY 1923-26, 28

Newark Stars
Newark Schools Stadium Newark NJ 1926

Philadelphia Hilldales
Razzberry Park Camden NJ 1923

Philadelphia Tigers
Chessline Park Philadelphia PA 1928

Washington Potomacs
Standpipe Park Washington DC 1924

American Negro League, 1929

A.C. Bacharach Giants
Bacharach Field Atlantic City NJ 1929

Baltimore Black Sox
Maryland Baseball Park Baltimore MD 1929

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1929

Homestead Grays
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Grays Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Ammon Field Pittsburgh PA 1929
Washington Park Pittsburgh PA 1929

New York Cuban Stars East
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1929

New York Lincoln Giants
Olympic Field New York NY 1929

Negro Southern League, 1932

Atlanta Black Crackers
Ponce de Leon Park II Atlanta GA 1932

Chi Cole's American Giants
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1932

Columbus Turfs
Neil Park II Columbus OH 1932

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1932

Little Rock Grays
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1932

Louisville Black Caps
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1932

Memphis Red Sox
Martin Park Memphis TN 1932

Monroe Monarchs
Casino Park Monroe LA 1932

Montgomery Grey Sox
Cramton Bowl Montgomery AL 1932
College Hill Park Montgomery AL 1932

Nashville Elite Giants
Wilson Park Nashville TN 1932
Sulphur Dell II Nashville TN 1932

Negro East-West League, 1932

Baltimore Black Sox
Bugle Field Baltimore MD 1932

Cleveland Stars
Luna Bowl Cleveland OH 1932

Cuban Stars
Dyckman Oval New York NY 1932

Darby Hilldales
Hilldale Park Yeadon PA 1932

Detroit Wolves
Hamtramck Stadium Hamtramck MI 1932

Homestead Grays
Forbes Field Pittsburgh PA 1932
Cycler Park McKeesport PA 1932 (1 gm)

Newark Browns
Sprague Field Bloomfield NJ 1932
Meadowbrook Oval Newark NJ 1932

Pittsburgh Crawfords
Gus Greenlee Field Pittsburgh PA 1932
League Park II Akron OH 1932 (1 gm)
Mahaffey Park Canton OH 1932 (1 gm)

Washington Pilots
Griffith Stadium Washington DC 1932

Negro American League, 1937-61

Atlanta Black Crackers
Ponce de Leon Park II Atlanta GA 1938

Baltimore Elite Giants
Venable Stadium Baltimore MD 1949
Terrapin Park Baltimore MD 1938-44
Westport Stadium Westport MD 1950-51

Birmingham Black Barons
Hilton Park Wilmington NC 1930s
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1937-38
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1940-61
McCormick Field Asheville NC 1940s
Athletic Park Durham NC 1940s
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1940s
Luther Williams Field Macon GA 1940s
Devereaux Meadow Raleigh NC 1940s
Grayson Stadium Savannah GA 1940s

Chicago American Giants
South Side Park III Chicago IL 1937-40
Turner Field Hammond IN 1941 (1 gm)
Comiskey Park I Chicago IL 1941-52

Cincinnati Buckeyes
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1942

Cincinnati Clowns
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1943
Lanphier Park Springfield IL 1943
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1945

Cincinnati Tigers
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1937

Cleveland Bears
Hardware Field Cleveland OH 1939-40

Cleveland Buckeyes
League Park IV Cleveland OH 1943-48, 50

Detroit Clowns
Mack Park Detroit MI 1958

Detroit Stars
De Quindre Park Detroit MI 1937
Sportsman's Park Detroit MI 1937 (1 gm)
Mack Park Detroit MI 1954-57, 59
Tiger Stadium Detroit MI 1957 (1 gm)

Detroit-New Orleans Stars
Mack Park Detroit MI 1960-61
Stars Field New Orleans LA 1960-61

Houston Eagles
Clark Field Austin TX 1949-50
Buff Stadium Houston TX 1949-50

Indianapolis ABCs
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1938-39

Indianapolis Athletics
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1937

Indianapolis Clowns
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1946-55
Offermann Stadium Buffalo NY 1951-55

Indianapolis Crawfords
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1940

Indianapolis-Cincinnati Clowns
Crosley Field Cincinnati OH 1944
Victory Field I Indianapolis IN 1944

Jacksonville Red Caps
Durkee Field Jacksonville FL 1938, 41-42

Kansas City Monarchs
Belleville H.S. Athletic Field Belleville IL 1950
Municipal Stadium Kansas City MO 1937-61
Ainsworth Field Erie PA 1940s
Sportsman's Park IV St. Louis MO 1941 (1 gm)
Valley Field Grand Rapids MI 1956-61
Golden Park Columbus GA 1957-61
Lakeside Park Decatur AL 1957-61
Legion Field Decatur AL 1957-61
Highland Park Stadium Kokomo IN 1957-61
Legio Field Lake Charles LA 1957-61
Travelers Field Little Rock AR 1957-61
Centennial Field Tallahassee FL 1957-61
Martin Park Memphis TN 1960-61

Louisville Black Colonels
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1954

Louisville Buckeyes
Parkway Field Louisville KY 1949

Many Teams Cardines Field Newport RI 1930s-40s

Memphis Red Sox
Martin Park Memphis TN 1937-41, 43-59
Municipal Stadium Greenville SC 1940s
Russwood Park Memphis TN 1940s

Mobile Havana Cuban Giants
Hartwell Field Mobile AL 1957

New Orleans Bears
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1957

New Orleans Eagles
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1951

New Orleans-St. Louis Stars
Mounds Ballfield Mounds IL 1939
Pelican Stadium New Orleans LA 1941
South End Park St. Louis MO 1941
Sportsman's Park IV St. Louis MO 1941 (1 gm)

New York Cubans
Polo Grounds V New York NY 1949-50

Newark Indians
Ruppert Stadium Newark NJ 1959

Philadelphia Stars
Penmar Park Philadelphia PA 1949-52

Raleigh Tigers
Rickwood Field Birmingham AL 1959
Clarksville Stadium Clarksville VA 1961
Old Armory Field Lumberton NC 1961
Smithfield Stadium Smithfield NC 1961
Engel Stadium Chattanooga TN 1959 (1 gm)
American Legion Park Newton NC 1959 (1 gm)
Legion Field Whiteville NC 1959 (1 gm)
13th and Anne Streets Park Wilmington NC 1959 (1 gm)
American Legion Field Wallace NC 1959, 61 (2 gm)
Chavis Park Raleigh NC 1959-61
Griffith Park Charlotte NC 1961 (1 gm)
Whittemore Athletic Field Conway SC 1961 (1 gm)
Athletic Park Durham NC 1961 (1 gm)
Hicks Field Edenton NC 1961 (1 gm)
War Memorial Stadium Greensboro NC 1961 (1 gm)
Brewer H.S. Field Greenwood SC 1961 (1 gm)
Rockingham Stadium Rockingham NC 1961 (1 gm)
Municipal Stadium Rocky Mount NC 1961 (1 gm)
Talbert Park Rocky Mount NC 1961 (1 gm)
Riley Park Sumter SC 1961 (1 gm)
American Legion Stadium Wilmington NC 1961 (1 gm)

St. Louis Stars
Metropolitan Park St. Louis MO 1937
South End Park St. Louis MO 1939

Toldeo Crawfords
Swayne Field Toledo OH 1939

I absotively love this. ^^^

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It seems this thread was duplicated in both the Ballparks forum and The Negro Leagues forum. I've relocated the thread to the Ballparks forum, merged and deleted that which was duplicated, while leaving a permanent redirect in The Negro Leagues forum.

Anubis2051
01-19-2012, 12:13 PM
Schools Stadium, Newark, NJ home of the Newark Stars, demolished in 2009
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1986/picture1tx.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9278/picture2qk.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9004/picture3rz.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4520/picture4vi.jpg

Schools stadium was just reopened. I looks great, no word yet on baseball however http://newarknj.patch.com/articles/field-of-dreams-newark-schools-stadium-officially-opens#c

alpineinc
02-03-2012, 07:33 AM
Cool Papa Bell sliding into third in 1932. Anyone know the stadium?

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http://90feetofperfection.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/coolpapabellslidingintothird1932.jpg

Capital City Goofball
02-03-2012, 08:31 AM
Cool Papa Bell sliding into third in 1932. Anyone know the stadium?

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http://90feetofperfection.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/coolpapabellslidingintothird1932.jpg

I see an ad for the Washington Post under the scoreboard... Perhaps it's Griffith Stadium?

Capital City Goofball
02-03-2012, 08:42 AM
The date of the picture might be wrong...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Ball-COOL-PAPA-BELL-sliding-into-3rd-Negro-League-/370496586916#ht_1332wt_1348

If the stadium is Griffith, the light tower wouldn't appear until 1941... The Grays also called DC their "home away from home..."

KJOK
02-03-2012, 10:22 AM
I see an ad for the Washington Post under the scoreboard... Perhaps it's Griffith Stadium?

I think Griffith Stadium is a good guess. Brodt's Hats were in DC and NY. Shah & Shah Law offices are in DC.

KJOK
02-03-2012, 10:32 AM
I was looking for Bugle Field (Baltimore) on your NAL list but did not see it. Wikipedia says it was torn down in 1949 during the playoffs so I guess this article for an NAL playoff game there must be the last game played at the Field.

Did Bugle Field have another name?

Thanks,
BalUmp

I believe Bugle Field was also called Moore's Field. First used in 1932.

milladrive
02-03-2012, 11:04 AM
I believe Bugle Field was also called Moore's Field. First used in 1932.

I can't find any evidence of this. Is there a basis for the speculation?

KJOK
02-03-2012, 11:29 AM
I can't find any evidence of this. Is there a basis for the speculation?

Yes, both Paul Healey and myself have done extensive research on the Baltimore parks. Here is Paul's take:


"After doing some premilary research, it appears to me that Bugle Field,
Moore's Field, and Maryland Baseball Park in Baltimore, home of the
Baltimore Black Sox in the 1920s and early 1930s, are one in the same.
The park I am referring to is one located on Edison Highway and Biddle
St. I have also heard Wesport Stadium referred to as Maryland Baseball
Park and a park located on Bush and Russell between Westport Stadium
and Camden Yards called Maryland Baseball Park. If anyone can confirm
my theory about Bugle Field and let me know if the Maryland Baseball
Park on Bush and Russell was used for anything, please let me know."


Here was my response:

"The Baltimore Negro League Stadiums perplexed me for quite a while. I went through many issues of the Baltimore Afro-American, and the best I could figure out was:

Bugle Field and Moore's Field refer to the same field, played on from at least 1923 thru 1949.

However, there definitely was a different stadium used for the 1950 season, apparently in a slightly different location, called Maryland Baseball Park and also known as Westport Park."


I now believe the coordinates for Bugle/Moore are approximately:
Latitude - 39°18'34.01"N
Longitude - 76°34'21.77"W

For Maryland Baseball Park (Westport) (Old one, not 1950 one):
Latitude - 39°16'20.46"N
Longitude - 76°37'48.85"W

KJOK
02-03-2012, 11:48 AM
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TerryB
02-17-2012, 01:33 PM
Anyone have information about where the 1905 Philadelphia Giants played? I understand that they played in Columbia Park (home of the Philadelphia Athletics) during the 1904 season, but leased or built their own stadium in 1905 so they would not have to work around the Athletics schedule. I just ordered Phil Dixon's book about this team. I would also like to find a logo or even a retro logo for this team.

Thanks for any help with this,
Terry

KJOK
02-17-2012, 04:00 PM
Anyone have information about where the 1905 Philadelphia Giants played? I understand that they played in Columbia Park (home of the Philadelphia Athletics) during the 1904 season, but leased or built their own stadium in 1905 so they would not have to work around the Athletics schedule. I just ordered Phil Dixon's book about this team. I would also like to find a logo or even a retro logo for this team.

Thanks for any help with this,
Terry
I think they supposedly played at the East High School Field near Jackson St, Broad St, 13th Street, & E. Snyder Ave, but I haven't been able to confirm that location.

TerryB
02-17-2012, 08:32 PM
I think they supposedly played at the East High School Field near Jackson St, Broad St, 13th Street, & E. Snyder Ave, but I haven't been able to confirm that location.

That would match the information about the location found on Wikipedia, but they didn't give a name for the stadium or mention that it was at a high school.

milladrive
08-07-2012, 12:09 AM
http://myinwood.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Dyckman-Oval-Nagel-Ave-Academy-St-v-NE-1937.jpg

Interestingly, Wikipedia says the Dyckman Oval was home to the New York Lincoln Giants from 1914-1917. Although that may or may not be correct, and although it's known that the New York Cuban Stars played there for many years beginning in the early 1920s, all reliable sources say the New York Cubans moved after two years from Hinchcliffe Stadium in Paterson, NJ, into the Dyckman Oval in 1935, where they remained until 1938. I'm guessing that's why the pic above with the sign saying New York Cubans is dated 1937.

From the My Inwood website ("http://myinwood.net/the-dyckman-oval/):

The year was 1935. Babe Ruth, the Bambino, was reveling in the twilight of his fame. The Sultan of Swat, the King of Swing, the Colossus Of Crash had seen better days. Years of hard living and several automobile accidents had taken their toll, but the Babe could still draw a crowd—and the racially diverse spectators at the Dyckman Oval were his kind of people.

On September 29, 1935 they came in droves.

That sunny afternoon an estimated 10,000 fans came to the 4,600 seat Dyckman Oval to see their hero play on a team of former all stars and minor leaguers in an exhibition game against the New York Cubans of the old Negro League. The price: Fifty-five cents for the grandstands and $1.10 for the big spenders in the box seats.

The game, for which Ruth was paid three thousand dollars, would be one of his last.

Amid the sea of fans, one lone reporter, Tom Meany of the New York Telegram, realized the tragedy unfolding before his very eyes.

“The spectators seemed to sense they were watching something pathetic…There were neither newsreel nor still cameras in evidence and no telegraph keys clattered brassily in the press box, which had less than half a dozen occupants. No civic dignitaries, not even an alderman, could be observed in the crowd.”

Paid to play just the first game of a double-header, which the Cubans won 6 to 1, Ruth took to the plate between games to give the ticket holders a bit more bang for their buck. Over the next five minutes, Meany and the 10,000 fans witnessed a piece of baseball history that would never be entered into the record books.

As pitcher Clyde Barfoot hurled balls from the mound, The Babe, for a fleeting moment, sprung back to life, slamming ball after ball out of the park. Those in attendance swore one particular baseball was hit further than any in the previous history of the Dyckman Oval.

But as Ruth faded into the stuff of legend, the Dyckman Oval was entering its heyday…

When the Dyckman Oval first appeared in the sports pages in January of 1920 it was a homely affair located at 204th Street and Nagle Avenue. That first year the Oval was used primarily for ice skating competitions.

By 1921, the Oval was drawing baseball fans, including Mayor John F. Hylan, from all five boroughs and beyond.

That spring Hylan made an impromptu visit to the Oval to see Jeff Tesreau’s team battle the Cuban Stars. Not recognizing the Mayor as he approached, a later shame-faced gateman demanded to see a ticket. “I haven’t any,” responded the mayor. Gateman, “Well, you’d better get one if you want to see this game.”

Luckily for both parties a manager spotted the Mayor and escorted him into the Oval where he immediately took to the mound.

The mayor threw four pitches against the opposing team—three of them strikes.

Soon boxing was added to the roster. Pugilism would become a staple of the Oval for years to come, but at the time, many doubted the Dyckman Oval could survive the 1920’s.

From the elevated subway, on the right, circa 1920's:
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By 1929 the Dyckman Oval played host to mainly soccer games. Lawsuits and years of poor management had left the once thriving facility on life support.

1933:
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It was not until 1935, the same year Ruth played his exhibition game that things turned around for the Dyckman Oval, but first a deal with the devil had to be made.

Enter Harlem numbers broker Alejandro Pompez who gave the ailing Dyckman Oval a sixty-thousand dollar shot in the arm to use as a showcase for his prized baseball team, The New York Cubans.

A 2003 Sports Illustrated article written by Daniel Coyle provides a wonderful description of Pompez.

“Pompez was a criminal in the eyes of the police and a crown prince in the eyes of Harlemites. From his cigar store, the soft spoken Cuban ran a numbers bank—a lottery that filled his pockets to the tune of $8,000 a day—which he used to fund his Negro league baseball team, the New York Cubans. Courtly, suave and scrupulously honest with his clients, Pompez was beloved in Harlem for his civic generosity.

All went swimmingly for him until an evening in 1931 when the Bronx-based gangster Arthur Flegenheimer, better known as Dutch Schultz, employed his .45 revolver to persuade Pompez to hand over control of the numbers game. Needing another source of income, Pompez turned to sports enterprises. In 1935 he leased a vacant field at Dyckman Oval from the city and transformed it into one of the finest sports palaces in Manhattan.”

Pompez put his money to good use. Under his renovations the Dyckman Oval was transformed into shining new 10,000 seat arena with modern conveniences like floodlights for playing well into the night.

A master showman, Pompez knew how to fill the house. If Babe Ruth didn’t dazzle them then perhaps a boxing exhibition with Joe Louis, a new car raffle—whatever it took.

1940 Cubans:
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The Oval, often called “Harlem’s Own,” was also a melting pot where all New Yorkers could gather and simply enjoy a ball game—and Pompez’s New York Cubans knew how to delight.

Player-manager Martin Dihigo was clearly a house favorite. Dubbed “El Maestro” by fans and sportswriters alike, Dihigo could play all nine positions with equal skill. His lightening speed fastballs remain the stuff of legend. Often called the most versatile player in the history of baseball, the six-foot-three, 210 pound, right-handed Cuban would eventually be elected to the Mexican, Cuban and American Halls of Fame.

Martin Dihigo:
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The entire team, comprised of Cuban, African-American, Puerto Rican and Dominican players proved a force to be reckoned with—even when playing against legendary teams like Satchel Paige and his Pittsburgh Crawfords.

But the days of wine and roses couldn’t last forever—the team’s owner, Alex Pompez, was, after all, a career criminal. When rival gangsters gunned down Dutch Schultz in October of 1935, Pompez went back into the numbers rackets.

The move would prove a serious miscalculation.

In 1936 New York County District Attorney Thomas Dewey was preparing an indictment against Pompez for his involvement in the policy rackets. Receiving a tip, Pompez fled the country.

When Mexican authorities arrested Pompez on March 28, 1937 he was traveling under the name Antonio Moreno. Federales in Mexico City nabbed baseball’s greatest fugitive as he stepped into a bulletproof car with Chicago license plates.

Pompez’ legal difficulties would prove disastrous for his beloved franchise. While the Dyckman Oval would continue to host sporting events, the New York Cubans stopped playing altogether.

On May 16, 1939, after providing lengthy testimony for the prosecution, Pompez pleaded guilty to conspiracy in return for a two year suspended sentence.

When the Cubans were readmitted to the Negro National League in 1939 they would find themselves without a home.

In 1938, perhaps to spite the admitted gangster, the City of New York demolished the Dyckman Oval and turned the grand old field into a parking lot.

Dyckman Housing Complex, 1951:
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alpineinc
08-07-2012, 07:27 AM
Great article.

It always pains me to see the sites of old urban ballparks later filled with sprawling projects. In hindsight, would have probably done the areas more good by leaving the fields and making them public parks.

KJOK
08-07-2012, 09:34 AM
Interestingly, Wikipedia says the Dyckman Oval was home to the New York Lincoln Giants from 1914-1917. Although that may or may not be correct
It's definitely incorrect. Negro League teams did not start playing there until 1921, and the last known game appears to be 1936.
The pre-1920 New York Lincoln Giants played at Olympic Field.

milladrive
08-08-2012, 09:58 AM
It's definitely incorrect. Negro League teams did not start playing there until 1921...

*snip*

The pre-1920 New York Lincoln Giants played at Olympic Field.

That's what I thought. Thanks much for confirming it.


....and the last known game appears to be 1936.

You could be right. Although the pic above is definitely dated 1937, the article clearly states...

"In 1936 New York County District Attorney Thomas Dewey was preparing an indictment against Pompez for his involvement in the policy rackets. Receiving a tip, Pompez fled the country....

Pompez’ legal difficulties would prove disastrous for his beloved franchise. While the Dyckman Oval would continue to host sporting events, the New York Cubans stopped playing altogether."

By the time they began playing again in 1939, the park had been turned into a parking lot during 1938.

Capital City Goofball
10-20-2012, 12:37 PM
I just purchased The Rise and Fall of Greenlee Field (http://mcfarland.metapress.com/content/l7824237338tj708/?p=247db95f045545f38e4082274cee5455&pi=85) by Geri Strecker (from McFarland Publishing) and it's a worthwhile read... If you want to see what Greenlee Field looked like inside and out, I suggest you purchase this article.

mjrbaseball
10-20-2012, 05:57 PM
Schools stadium was just reopened. I looks great, no word yet on baseball however http://newarknj.patch.com/articles/field-of-dreams-newark-schools-stadium-officially-opens#c

Newark Schools Stadium as it is now.

116066

alpineinc
10-20-2012, 08:10 PM
Newark Schools Stadium as it is now.

I work in Newark often, and they really did a great job with that stadium. A jewel in an area that could use it. Hoping Hinchliffe Stadium in nearby Paterson, NJ, gets the same treatment soon.

KJOK
10-27-2012, 03:23 PM
That would match the information about the location found on Wikipedia, but they didn't give a name for the stadium or mention that it was at a high school.

Just to follow up, the 1904 Philadelphia Giants definitely played here on August 8, 1904. Don't see any 1905 games there, at least against 'major' teams. In 1905 they played a few games at the Baker Bowl, and a game at "Athletic Ground" which I think is Jefferson Street Grounds but could be Columbia Park.