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Jason R. Maier
09-09-2007, 10:40 AM
Just a question as to who were the top 10 pitchers in terms of most wins by decade?

The only top 10 I know offhand is the 70's (from Talking Baseball: An Oral History of Baseball in the 1970's and this is the list:

1. Jim Palmer - 186
2. Gaylord Perry -184
3. (tie) Steve Carlton & Tom Seaver - 178
5. Catfish Hunter - 169
6. Don Sutton - 166
7. Phil Niekro - 164
8. Ferguson Jenkins - 158
9. (tie) Vida Blue and Nolan Ryan - 155

I also recall that Jack Morris was the leading winner in the 80's with 162 wins, and Juan Marichal was the leading winner in the 60's with 191 wins.

By calculations on Baseball-Almanac.com, I found the leading winner from 1900-1909 was Christy Matthewson with 236 wins (edging out Cy Young's 230 wins); Walter Johnson was the leading winner of 1910-1919 with 265 wins.

What about the other decades of the 20th century and the top 10 pitchers? I'm pretty sure Greg Maddux was the winningest pitcher of the 90's . . .

Old Sweater
09-09-2007, 02:40 PM
Here is a BR link that shows to the 70's


http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/128

Jason R. Maier
09-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Here is a BR link that shows to the 70's


http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/128

Thank you much for the link . . . and by using simple math . . I found out that the book I used for reference had Fergie Jenkins' win total way wrong . . .

Old Sweater
09-09-2007, 05:28 PM
Thank you much for the link . . . and by using simple math . . I found out that the book I used for reference had Fergie Jenkins' win total way wrong . . .

You're welcome. Couldn't find nothing that went back further with easy access that you can view.

geezer
09-09-2007, 07:53 PM
Soon Greg Maddux might catch Randy Johnson if he keeps getting hurt or wont pitch anymore.

Walt Zink
09-09-2007, 08:05 PM
1900's - Christy Mathewson
1910's - Walter Johnson
1920's - Burleigh Grimes
1930's - Lefty Grove
1940's - Hal Newhouser
1950's - Warren Spahn
1960's - Juan Marichal
1970's - Jim Palmer
1980's - Jack Morris
1990's - Greg Maddux

Brooklyn
09-10-2007, 06:25 AM
top 10's:

1900


Christy Mathewson236
Cy Young 230
Joe McGinnity218
Jack Chesbro 192
Vic Willis 188
Eddie Plank 186
Rube Waddell 183
Sam Leever 166
Jack Powell 160
George Mullin 157

1910

Walter Johnson 265
Pete Alexander208
Eddie Cicotte 162
Hippo Vaughn 156
Slim Sallee 149
Rube Marquard 144
Eddie Plank 140
Christy Mathewson137
Claude Hendrix 135
Hooks Dauss 125

1920

Burleigh Grimes 190
Eppa Rixey 166
Pete Alexander165
Herb Pennock 162
Waite Hoyt 161
Urban Shocker 156
Eddie Rommel 154
Jesse Haines 153
George Uhle 152
Red Faber 149

1930

Lefty Grove 199
Carl Hubbell 188
Red Ruffing 175
Wes Ferrell 170
Lefty Gomez 165
Mel Harder 158
Larry French 156
Tommy Bridges 150
Paul Derringer 148
Dizzy Dean 147

1940

Hal Newhouser170
Bob Feller 137
Rip Sewell 133
Dizzy Trout 129
Dutch Leonard 122
Bucky Walters 122
Mort Cooper 114
Claude Passeau 111
Kirby Higbe 105
Harry Brecheen 105
Bobo Newsom 105

1950

Warren Spahn 202
Robin Roberts 199
Early Wynn 188
Billy Pierce 155
Bob Lemon 150
Mike Garcia 128
Lew Burdette 126
Don Newcombe126
Whitey Ford 121
Johnny Antonelli 116

1960

Juan Marichal 191
Bob Gibson 164
Don Drysdale 158
Jim Bunning 150
Jim Kaat 142
Larry Jackson 141
Sandy Koufax 137
Jim Maloney 134
Milt Pappas 131
Camilo Pascual 127

1970

Jim Palmer 186
Gaylord Perry 184
Steve Carlton 178
Tom Seaver 178
Fergie Jenkins 178
Catfish Hunter 169
Don Sutton 166
Phil Niekro 164
Nolan Ryan 155
Vida Blue 155


1980

Jack Morris 162
Dave Stieb 140
Bob Welch 137
Fernando Valenzuela128
Charlie Hough 128
Bert Blyleven 123
Nolan Ryan 122
Jim Clancy 119
Frank Viola 117
Rick Sutcliffe 116

1990


Greg Maddux 176
Tom Glavine 164
Roger Clemens 152
Randy Johnson 150
Kevin Brown 143
John Smoltz 143
David Cone 141
Mike Mussina 136
Chuck Finley 135
Scott Erickson 130

2000 (through 2006)


Randy Johnson 120
Greg Maddux 112
Tim Hudson 108
Curt Schilling 108
Andy Pettitte 105
Bartolo Colon 104
Mark Mulder 103
Mike Mussina 103
Tom Glavine 103
Barry Zito 102

Brooklyn
09-10-2007, 06:26 AM
Anyone else find it interesting that the top 6 in the 80's are not HOFers? Compare it to the 70's, where the top 9 are HOFers.

geezer
09-10-2007, 09:30 AM
top 10's:


2000 (through 9/10/2007)


Randy Johnson 124
Greg Maddux 124
Tim Hudson 123
Andy Pettitte 118
Curt Schilling 116
Tom Glavine 116
Roy Oswalt 112
Mike Mussina 111
Barry Zito 111
Bartolo Colon 110

Jason R. Maier
09-10-2007, 09:53 AM
top 10's:

1900


Christy Mathewson236
Cy Young 230
Joe McGinnity218
Jack Chesbro 192
Vic Willis 188
Eddie Plank 186
Rube Waddell 183
Sam Leever 166
Jack Powell 160
George Mullin 157

1910

Walter Johnson 265
Pete Alexander208
Eddie Cicotte 162
Hippo Vaughn 156
Slim Sallee 149
Rube Marquard 144
Eddie Plank 140
Christy Mathewson137
Claude Hendrix 135
Hooks Dauss 125

1920

Burleigh Grimes 190
Eppa Rixey 166
Pete Alexander165
Herb Pennock 162
Waite Hoyt 161
Urban Shocker 156
Eddie Rommel 154
Jesse Haines 153
George Uhle 152
Red Faber 149

1930

Lefty Grove 199
Carl Hubbell 188
Red Ruffing 175
Wes Ferrell 170
Lefty Gomez 165
Mel Harder 158
Larry French 156
Tommy Bridges 150
Paul Derringer 148
Dizzy Dean 147

1940

Hal Newhouser170
Bob Feller 137
Rip Sewell 133
Dizzy Trout 129
Dutch Leonard 122
Bucky Walters 122
Mort Cooper 114
Claude Passeau 111
Kirby Higbe 105
Harry Brecheen 105
Bobo Newsom 105

1950

Warren Spahn 202
Robin Roberts 199
Early Wynn 188
Billy Pierce 155
Bob Lemon 150
Mike Garcia 128
Lew Burdette 126
Don Newcombe126
Whitey Ford 121
Johnny Antonelli 116

1960

Juan Marichal 191
Bob Gibson 164
Don Drysdale 158
Jim Bunning 150
Jim Kaat 142
Larry Jackson 141
Sandy Koufax 137
Jim Maloney 134
Milt Pappas 131
Camilo Pascual 127

1970

Jim Palmer 186
Gaylord Perry 184
Steve Carlton 178
Tom Seaver 178
Fergie Jenkins 178
Catfish Hunter 169
Don Sutton 166
Phil Niekro 164
Nolan Ryan 155
Vida Blue 155


1980

Jack Morris 162
Dave Stieb 140
Bob Welch 137
Fernando Valenzuela128
Charlie Hough 128
Bert Blyleven 123
Nolan Ryan 122
Jim Clancy 119
Frank Viola 117
Rick Sutcliffe 116

1990


Greg Maddux 176
Tom Glavine 164
Roger Clemens 152
Randy Johnson 150
Kevin Brown 143
John Smoltz 143
David Cone 141
Mike Mussina 136
Chuck Finley 135
Scott Erickson 130

2000 (through 2006)


Randy Johnson 120
Greg Maddux 112
Tim Hudson 108
Curt Schilling 108
Andy Pettitte 105
Bartolo Colon 104
Mark Mulder 103
Mike Mussina 103
Tom Glavine 103
Barry Zito 102
Thanks for the top 10 lists . . .

Baseball Guru
09-10-2007, 09:59 AM
top 10's:

1900


Christy Mathewson236
Cy Young 230
Joe McGinnity218
Jack Chesbro 192
Vic Willis 188
Eddie Plank 186
Rube Waddell 183
Sam Leever 166
Jack Powell 160
George Mullin 157

1910

Walter Johnson 265
Pete Alexander208
Eddie Cicotte 162
Hippo Vaughn 156
Slim Sallee 149
Rube Marquard 144
Eddie Plank 140
Christy Mathewson137
Claude Hendrix 135
Hooks Dauss 125

1920

Burleigh Grimes 190
Eppa Rixey 166
Pete Alexander165
Herb Pennock 162
Waite Hoyt 161
Urban Shocker 156
Eddie Rommel 154
Jesse Haines 153
George Uhle 152
Red Faber 149

1930

Lefty Grove 199
Carl Hubbell 188
Red Ruffing 175
Wes Ferrell 170
Lefty Gomez 165
Mel Harder 158
Larry French 156
Tommy Bridges 150
Paul Derringer 148
Dizzy Dean 147

1940

Hal Newhouser170
Bob Feller 137
Rip Sewell 133
Dizzy Trout 129
Dutch Leonard 122
Bucky Walters 122
Mort Cooper 114
Claude Passeau 111
Kirby Higbe 105
Harry Brecheen 105
Bobo Newsom 105

1950

Warren Spahn 202
Robin Roberts 199
Early Wynn 188
Billy Pierce 155
Bob Lemon 150
Mike Garcia 128
Lew Burdette 126
Don Newcombe126
Whitey Ford 121
Johnny Antonelli 116

1960

Juan Marichal 191
Bob Gibson 164
Don Drysdale 158
Jim Bunning 150
Jim Kaat 142
Larry Jackson 141
Sandy Koufax 137
Jim Maloney 134
Milt Pappas 131
Camilo Pascual 127

1970

Jim Palmer 186
Gaylord Perry 184
Steve Carlton 178
Tom Seaver 178
Fergie Jenkins 178
Catfish Hunter 169
Don Sutton 166
Phil Niekro 164
Nolan Ryan 155
Vida Blue 155


1980

Jack Morris 162
Dave Stieb 140
Bob Welch 137
Fernando Valenzuela128
Charlie Hough 128
Bert Blyleven 123
Nolan Ryan 122
Jim Clancy 119
Frank Viola 117
Rick Sutcliffe 116

1990


Greg Maddux 176
Tom Glavine 164
Roger Clemens 152
Randy Johnson 150
Kevin Brown 143
John Smoltz 143
David Cone 141
Mike Mussina 136
Chuck Finley 135
Scott Erickson 130

2000 (through 2006)


Randy Johnson 120
Greg Maddux 112
Tim Hudson 108
Curt Schilling 108
Andy Pettitte 105
Bartolo Colon 104
Mark Mulder 103
Mike Mussina 103
Tom Glavine 103
Barry Zito 102


To take it a little further:

1870's:
Al Spalding... 253
Tommy Bond... 195
Bobby Mathews... 167
Dick McBride... 149
Candy Cummings... 145
George Zettlein... 129
George Bradley... 109
Terry Larkin... 89
Will White... 75
Jim Devlin... 72


1880's:
Tim Keefe... 291
Pud Galvin... 287
Mickey Welch... 285
Charley Radbourn... 271
Jim McCormick... 240
John Clarkson... 220
Tony Mullane... 203
Jim Whitney... 189
Charlie Buffinton... 181
Larry Corcoran... 177


1890's:
Kid Nichols... 297
Cy Young... 267
Amos Rusie... 233
Jack Stivetts... 191
Gus Weyhing... 174
Bill Hutchison... 166
Frank Killen... 161
Sadie McMahon... 159
Frank Dwyer... 156
Brickyard Kennedy... 154

geezer
09-10-2007, 01:38 PM
top 10's:


2000 (through 9/10/2007)


Randy Johnson 124
Greg Maddux 124
Tim Hudson 123
Andy Pettitte 118
Curt Schilling 116
Tom Glavine 116
Roy Oswalt 112
Mike Mussina 111
Barry Zito 111
Bartolo Colon 110

catbox_9
09-12-2007, 12:18 AM
top 10's:


2000 (through 9/10/2007)


Randy Johnson 124
Greg Maddux 124
Tim Hudson 123
Andy Pettitte 118
Curt Schilling 116
Tom Glavine 116
Roy Oswalt 112
Mike Mussina 111
Barry Zito 111
Bartolo Colon 110

If Maddux can play for 3 more seasons and pitch well (that'll be tough, but who knows) he could win two decades. If that isn't impressive, I don't know what is...

Looking at the current top 10 list, Johnson won't be much of a thread, Pettitte, Schilling, Glavine, and Mussina are all old. Zito and Colon aren't winning many games this year. That leaves just Oswalt and Hudson. Hudson will be very difficult to fight off, but Oswalt is down by 14 wins - that's almost a whole season. If Oswalt wins 18 games in 2008-2010 (assuming the gap remains 14 through the end of this season) Maddux would need to average 13.3 wins/season over that stretch. Houston isn't that good and Maddux might be able to stay ahead of him. Hudson poses a huge threat though. I don't want to wish injury to Hudson, because that's pretty classless and I have nothing against him. Hopefully he'll be a hard luck pitcher the next 3 years and not get many wins....

geezer
11-04-2007, 08:08 PM
As of the 2007 season, Greg Maddux leads the 2000s with 126 wins, 2 more than Randy Johnson and Tim Hudson, It will be interesting if Maddux after the 2009 season, ends up leading the majors in wins during the 2000s decade, something extremely difficult but possible.

brett
11-11-2007, 04:40 PM
Here is a BR link that shows to the 70's


http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/128

I noticed that the source had OPS+ against for pitchers. Is that stat now available on baseball reference?

I noticed that Jack Morris gave up an OPS+ of 88 for the 80s. This is better than his relative ERA of 104. Actually, if you use his OPS+ to estimate runs his projected ERA+ would be 114 while it was actually 109 during that period. Of course it could simply be a problem with using OPS+ as a run estimator.

miked31
11-13-2007, 09:11 AM
Maddux is also 26 wins from tying the all time NL record for wins.

Brownieand45sfan
11-14-2007, 11:01 AM
Wow ... would have thought that Denny McLain would be in the Top 10 for the 60s ... ahead of Pappas and Pascual at least ... actually he is far off the pace with 110 wins. Breaking-in in '63 was too late for him, even with two Cys and winning 55 games in consecutive years.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mclaide01.shtml


(snip)
1960

Juan Marichal 191
Bob Gibson 164
Don Drysdale 158
Jim Bunning 150
Jim Kaat 142
Larry Jackson 141
Sandy Koufax 137
Jim Maloney 134
Milt Pappas 131
Camilo Pascual 127
(snip)