Can the Mets wear the same cap the N.Y. Giants wore?

[CaliforniaCajun]

The Mets have the old Giant NY logo and their original uniform included Blue for the Dodgers, Orange for the Giants, and pinstripes for the Yankees.

In recent years they have incorporated Black in their uniforms. I wondered if they have the option to wear the same Black cap with Orange NY and button at the top the Giants wore from 1949-57, or the Giants still retain the rights to it.

Something I've wondered for years.

BTW, go back to the stripes full time, Mets!

[mandrake]

The Mets have, unfortunately, fooled around with so many different looks lately. I think they have worn the all black hats. I know they wear the half black/half blue hat alot. I wish they would go back to the white pinstripe at home, and gray "New York" on the chest on the road. The Yankees always have remained true to their uniform, unlike the Mets.

[EbtsFldGuy]

The Mets have, unfortunately, fooled around with so many different looks lately. I think they have worn the all black hats. I know they wear the half black/half blue hat alot. I wish they would go back to the white pinstripe at home, and gray "New York" on the chest on the road. The Yankees always have remained true to their uniform, unlike the Mets.

I entirely agree.

One reason I lost interest in the Mets is their departure from the original uniforms, which were (still are) a classic combination of the 3 NY teams' uniforms of the 1950s.

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Maybe, with the new stadium set to open, they can revert to the classic pinstripes at home and gray roady... All blue cap, without orange button, would be nice.

[metfan13]

Mets hat never looked just like the Giants. On the black hat, rather than an orange NY, it's a blue NY trimmed with white & orange. Only the blue hats have the orange NY.

And I agree, they should got back to the pinstripes with blue hat at home. I like the Sunday games when they wear those unis.

[POLO GROUNDS 1957]

And I agree, they should got back to the pinstripes with blue hat at home. I like the Sunday games when they wear those unis.


I agree go back to the 1962 and 1963 uniforms just like when they played at the polo grounds.

[metfan13]

I agree go back to the 1962 and 1963 uniforms just like when they played at the polo grounds.

Pretty much the same they wore at Shea until the 80's.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I agree go back to the 1962 and 1963 uniforms just like when they played at the polo grounds.

It looks like the "Dressed to the Nines" site has been re-done to exclude alternate uniforms. I hate alternate uniforms and would like to see every team wear one home and one road all year long except for an occasional throwback if a team had a memorable one in its history.

There was a year, I think in the 90s, when the Mets went back to the original unis without the number on front but the following year. It seems like there are two things that teams occasionally try to remove for old times sake and can't: the number on front and the names on back. The fans always demand that these things be returned and get their way. Once you've done it there is no turning back. I envy the Yankees for not having to make these concessions.

I'd still like to know if the Mets could wear the all black, orange NY and orange button on top cap if they wanted or if it is still the property of the Giants.

[Silver Blaze]

It's annoying that the Mets have gone to so many uniform styles, including three hats, four if you include spring training. I know that merchandising is everything, yet somehow the Yankees, as a poster mentioned, have stayed with one home and road jersey and one cap for almost their entire history. I think the uniform changes make the Mets seem like some wannabe who is trying on different identities. They need to reduce the color schemes, pick one hat and go with it (and let it not be the black and blue one) and make that their statement. I'm all for pinstripes at home, even if it suggests playing second fiddle to the Yankees.

[Silver Blaze]

The Mets have the old Giant NY logo and their original uniform included Blue for the Dodgers, Orange for the Giants, and pinstripes for the Yankees.

In recent years they have incorporated Black in their uniforms. I wondered if they have the option to wear the same Black cap with Orange NY and button at the top the Giants wore from 1949-57, or the Giants still retain the rights to it.

Something I've wondered for years.

BTW, go back to the stripes full time, Mets!

To answer your question, I think the answer has to be yes. They clearly have the rights to the logo, which is on the all-blue cap. Nowadays, baseball caps come in all colors and patterns, including ones that aren't the team colors. To me, that indicates that the logo is the primary copyright, and so I would assume there is nothing to stop them wearing the black and orange. However, black and orange are not the Mets colors - blue and orange are, so on that basis I wouldn't like to see the cap. I am OK with the black one they already have, but would prefer it to be all blue with the more elaborate three-colored logo.

EDIT: Another aspect - I wouldn't recommend their wearing black and orange since that is the same color scheme that SF has on their caps. Once again, it would be going too far towards other teams' identities instead of forging their own.

[Perseus71]

The Mets definitely have the right to the black cap with the orange NY logo. It's funny, the Mets & the Knicks are the most representative of NYC with its official colors of Orange and Blue (derived from the Netherland royalty of New York of course).

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Aside that there is a subtle difference in the NY the Giants wore ['49-'57] and the Met's NY, the current New Yorkers, rightfully, cling to their own identity.

[parlo]

It's annoying that the Mets have gone to so many uniform styles, including three hats, four if you include spring training. I know that merchandising is everything, yet somehow the Yankees, as a poster mentioned, have stayed with one home and road jersey and one cap for almost their entire history. I think the uniform changes make the Mets seem like some wannabe who is trying on different identities. They need to reduce the color schemes, pick one hat and go with it (and let it not be the black and blue one) and make that their statement. I'm all for pinstripes at home, even if it suggests playing second fiddle to the Yankees.In Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York, the second fiddle team has changed their uniforms several times. The Angels, White Sox, and Mets have changed their styles, while the Cubs, Dodgers, and Yankees have more or less stayed the same.
Even in San Francisco, the Giants have at least kept their cap the same, while the A's experimented with different colors.

[six4three]

Well, the Giants did change their cap briefly:

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-109664dt.jpg

[Rheinleahy]

I am new to this forum,and these are great discussions;

As a uniform junkie, I like the Mets original look with the pinstripes and blue cap.
At least they have settled back to the original letter style on the road tops; Remember the block letters and the script they had on the road in the '80's into the '90's? Ugh!

And I know it's a whopper of a brand thru the Steinbrenner Era, But, at least once in awhile,I'd like to see the Yankee road letters and numbers w/o the white trim. Dodgers have done that,and the Royals should.

Rheinleahy

[Pere]

The Mets have the old Giant NY logo and their original uniform included Blue for the Dodgers, Orange for the Giants, and pinstripes for the Yankees.

Why would the Mets have used pinstripes "for the Yankees" when the Yankees were still there in New York, and in the American League? I thought the point of blue/orange was that the Mets were replacing Dodgers/Giants as New York's representative in the NL.

Besides, other teams than the Yankees have used pinstripes. NYY doesn't own the pattern.

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Why would the Mets have used pinstripes "for the Yankees" when the Yankees were still there in New York, and in the American League? I thought the point of blue/orange was that the Mets were replacing Dodgers/Giants as New York's representative in the NL.

Besides, other teams than the Yankees have used pinstripes. NYY doesn't own the pattern.
GREAT QUESTION!! I've been asking myself that for 46 years.

[solardee]

Aside that there is a subtle difference in the NY the Giants wore ['49-'57] and the Met's NY, the current New Yorkers, rightfully, cling to their own identity.

The Mets caps worn in 1995 and 1996 had a slightly different NY that looked more like the Giant version.

"Generation K" Paul Wilson, Bill Pulsipher, and Jason Isringhausen in 1995:

http://twbsball.dils.tku.edu.tw/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/290px-Bill21.JPG


Leo Durocher and Willie Mays in 1951:

http://www.baseballforum.com/attachments/baseball-history-teams-yester-year/33d1150871477-new-york-giants-1951-durocher-mays.jpg

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

The Mets caps worn in 1995 and 1996 had a slightly different NY that looked more like the Giant version.

"Generation K" Paul Wilson, Bill Pulsipher, and Jason Isringhausen in 1995:

http://twbsball.dils.tku.edu.tw/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/290px-Bill21.JPG


Leo Durocher and Willie Mays in 1951:

http://www.baseballforum.com/attachments/baseball-history-teams-yester-year/33d1150871477-new-york-giants-1951-durocher-mays.jpg

GREAT PICKUP,!! and thanks for the Leo and Willie pic.

[SirBLaUghs]

The one uniform that was unique to all of the NY (past & present) was when the Mets did that all white, "ice-cream man" uniform:
http://ultimatemets.com/jpeg/gilkey.jpg

I remember that and that lasted less than 1 season lol! :thumbsdown:


Check out this link everyone, good information here on Mets uniform history:
http://ultimatemets.com/uniforms.html

[penncentralpete]

1962 NY Mets..........1950's NY Giants. Except for the obvious blue vs. black.......these insignias look pretty close.

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

1962 NY Mets..........1950's NY Giants. Except for the obvious blue vs. black.......these insignias look pretty close.
Yes, at the very begining... but changes came soon to the Mets NY, for that matter, the shades of the blue have changed back and forth.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well, the Giants did change their cap briefly:

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-109664dt.jpg

Ah man, that hat brings back soooo many fond memories! :clapping

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Ah man, that hat brings back soooo many fond memories! :clapping
I hated this cap at the time, but looking back it does evoke great memories. Willie Mac, and Johnnie "Boo" LeMaster [very good D]come to mind.

[sean138]

How bout the "Count"? I have always had a fondness for that black and orange monster. My favorite remains the one in my avatar. Maybe the Mets should find their own new Mets logo?
Sean

[Mays24us]

How bout the "Count"? I have always had a fondness for that black and orange monster. My favorite remains the one in my avatar. Maybe the Mets should find their own new Mets logo?
Sean

The Mets adopted the Giants NY as something of a tribute. Although as time has gone on, I morphed into a full blown Met fan, the NY on their caps always takes me back to my boyhood team that left me just as I was coming of age.

The only San Francisco cap I have any use for was the first version they wore when they first moved to the coast. I have detested every mutated version since then but at least their uni's have come close to the 1950's-60's classics.

[CaliforniaCajun]

I am new to this forum,and these are great discussions;

As a uniform junkie, I like the Mets original look with the pinstripes and blue cap.
At least they have settled back to the original letter style on the road tops; Remember the block letters and the script they had on the road in the '80's into the '90's? Ugh!

And I know it's a whopper of a brand thru the Steinbrenner Era, But, at least once in awhile,I'd like to see the Yankee road letters and numbers w/o the white trim. Dodgers have done that,and the Royals should.

Rheinleahy


I have always wanted the Mets to wear strictly pinstripes and blue accessories with orange trim like the original. Also I have wished that the Yankees remove the white trim and sleeve trim and go back to the pre-Steinbrenner unis. I also don't like raised lettering and bloated logos on the caps, along with MLB's logo on the back of the cap, all-star patches, world series patches, and the like. No alternate unis, batting practice caps, July 4 caps, etc. If I got to go to a game I'd be so disappointed if my team didn't wear the primary uniform. :lightbulb:

[CaliforniaCajun]

Aside that there is a subtle difference in the NY the Giants wore ['49-'57] and the Met's NY, the current New Yorkers, rightfully, cling to their own identity.

If your avitar is the real deal I see the difference. I really thought the orange and black cap made that uniform, and the simplicity of the uniform made the black and orange contrast impressive.

[CaliforniaCajun]

1962 NY Mets..........1950's NY Giants. Except for the obvious blue vs. black.......these insignias look pretty close.

The logo on your caps are identical. Ralph's avitar is different because, for instance, the "Y" flares out and doesn't not arch.

[six4three]

Sean, that version of the "NY" in your avatar is my favorite Giants logo, hands down.


Yes, at the very begining... but changes came soon to the Mets NY, for that matter, the shades of the blue have changed back and forth.

Heck, the Mets were using several different versions of that logo from the very beginning:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1962/0305_large.jpg

[DiggerODell]

1962 NY Mets..........1950's NY Giants. Except for the obvious blue vs. black.......these insignias look pretty close.

I'm curious, does anyone know if there is a company on the internet which retails the old 50's NY Giants black/orange ballcaps?

[StrawberryField]

I'm curious, does anyone know if there is a company on the internet which retails the old 50's NY Giants black/orange ballcaps?

go to ballcap.com

they can pretty much make any hat you want in any style and according to the specifications in which the hats of that period were made. You can even have them with a leather sweatband like the hats used to have.

they're a little more expensive, and it's a long wait (about 6 weeks) because they are actually making the hat.

I'm waiting on my 1962 Mets hat....should be here any day.

I found out about these guys thru other BBF posters and they swear by them

[StrawberryField]

In Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York, the second fiddle team has changed their uniforms several times. The Angels, White Sox, and Mets have changed their styles, while the Cubs, Dodgers, and Yankees have more or less stayed the same.
Even in San Francisco, the Giants have at least kept their cap the same, while the A's experimented with different colors.

Did you know the Brooklyn Dodgers wore Green for a season? Red, Navy Blue as well for a few others

The New York Giants wore colors ranging from black, orange, blue, red, purple, and others I'm sure

the cubs have had many different types of uniforms and no they were not always blue and red

the "Los Angeles" Dodgers have stayed the same
the Yankees have stayed the same since Ruth

Even the Yankee NY is subtly changed and evolved from Ruth to mantle to Jeter. If you think Jeters NY on his hat is exactly the same as yankee hats of the past then look harder

Every team has changed their uniforms and hats....it has nothing to do with second fiddle

according to some 95% of all pro sports franchises have an identity crisis because they all change uniform styles from time to time.

I guess the Mets using the same Logo (primary, and Hat logo), and keeping orange and blue as the teams primary colors for all 48 years of their existence means an identity crisis brought on by being second fiddle.

[DiggerODell]

go to ballcap.com



Thank You StrawberryField!! I will do just that today. I have searched (google) several times and not came up with anything. Thanks again :waving

[StrawberryField]

Thank You StrawberryField!! I will do just that today. I have searched (google) several times and not came up with anything. Thanks again :waving

my pleasure Digger. Maybe one day we can give a hat review...I've been thinking about getting an old NY Giants hat myself.

[StrawberryField]

Thank You StrawberryField!! I will do just that today. I have searched (google) several times and not came up with anything. Thanks again :waving

my pleasure Digger. Maybe one day we can give each other a hat review...I've been thinking about getting an old NY Giants hat myself.


oops double post....is there any way to delete this when it happens?

[CaliforniaCajun]

I hated this cap at the time, but looking back it does evoke great memories. Willie Mac, and Johnnie "Boo" LeMaster [very good D]come to mind.

The Rotunda at Citi Field has wrought iron railing with the same variation of the NY logo as your avitar.http://msn.foxsports.com/id/9453042

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

Sean, that version of the "NY" in your avatar is my favorite Giants logo, hands down.



Heck, the Mets were using several different versions of that logo from the very beginning:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1962/0305_large.jpg

Pic of Casey was taken before Spring Training [March issue of SI] and that cap logo was the same NY as the 1951-'57 NY Giants wore. Sadly, it was changed.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well, the Giants did change their cap briefly:

http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-109664dt.jpg

Ahhh...Memories from my childhood! :happy:

[lfcjari37]

Just got this hat today, had to get it from Japan as I couldn't find any U.S. sellers. This is a tribute to the 1954 World Series winning team and has the older style NY logo.

[Bitter Fan]

Not quite the real thing but a cool cap nonetheless.

[rcl986@aol.com]

Just got this hat today, had to get it from Japan as I couldn't find any U.S. sellers. This is a tribute to the 1954 World Series winning team and has the older style NY logo.


That cap logo was last used in the late 1940s. Either '48 or '49. Looks
great! Someone finally got it right. Who's the manufacturer?

[lfcjari37]

Its a 5950 New Era cap, which for some strange reason is made from cotton. I was quite keen to get one with the older logo on it so was pleased to find it.

[rcl986@aol.com]

Its a 5950 New Era cap, which for some strange reason is made from cotton. I was quite keen to get one with the older logo on it so was pleased to find it.

Would you care to share the supplier, their contact info and cost? I too would be interested in obtaining one.

Many thanks.

[lfcjari37]

This came from amazingstore.jp website. Click the San Francisco Giants link on the left hand side of the site, then choose Black caps. The only size they have in stock is 7 7/8s unfortunately. Total cost including postage to New Zealand for me was 56USD. The whole site is in Japanese, so click the "We post worldwide" link to find out how to order for non-japanese speakers like me:)

[rcl986@aol.com]

Thanks lfjari37. Very much appreciated!

RCL

[lfcjari37]

No problem RCL, if you get one, let me know what you think!

[OrangeandBlack14]

To answer the initial question, I'd go with no. You can get an NY Giants cap quite often in the SF team store, and I don't think they'd be selling a hat whose profits go to the Mets.