Citi Field

[mandrake]

Wow, the Mets actually took down the post Sept 1st Season tickets offer that was on Mets.com. Originally, if you bought season tickets for the games after Sept 18th, you were eligible for post season tickets !!!!

I really want to meet the person who bought Mets season tickets after Sept 1st so they could get post season tickets at Citi Field !!!:noidea

Those crazy Wilpons, what a bunch of fun loving guys !!!!:rofl:

[peterrod16]

They should make it a 4 game series with the Yankees, 2 at home and 2 away. It's not like it's a big road trip, it probably takes David Wright more time to get from his condo to Citi Field than to Yankee Stadium

Agree that the interleague matchups stink. It's time to abolish interleague play

thats not going to happen GG
Lots of members on this board use the interleague games to make double or triple profits from their tickets
As long as it makes $$$ interleague is going to stay for better or for worse.

[mandrake]

thats not going to happen GG
Lots of members on this board use the interleague games to make double or triple profits from their tickets
As long as it makes $$$ interleague is going to stay for better or for worse.

How much money will people make from the Tigers and Twins ?

What about teams like the Royals, Indians, A's, Blue Jays, etc coming in to Citi ? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

For years MLB was trying to force the Red Sox and Braves into a rivalry. Like the Braves were mad they moved from Boston?

Yet, no MLB pressure to force the Cardinals and Baltimore Orioles to have a St Louis 'cage match'. Or to get Oakland and the Phillies to re-ignite a feud last seen in 1954. Please.

Interleague play was beaten to death. The highwater mark was the 2000 WS;but the rest of the country viewed it as a snooze fest:

Year Net #Telecasts Rating Share Homes Viewers Teams

2007 FOX 4 10.6 18 11,994,000 17,123,000 Boston Red Sox / Colorado Rockies
2006 FOX 5 10.1 17 11,282,000 15,812,000 St. Louis Cardinals /Detroit Tigers
2005 FOX 4 11.1 19 12,272,000 17,162,000 Chicago White Sox/Houston Astros
2004 FOX 4 15.8 26 17,270,000 25,390,000 Boston Red Sox/St. Louis Cardinals
2003 FOX 6 12.8 22 13,834,000 20,142,000 Florida Marlins / NY Yankees
2002 FOX 7 11.9 20 12,645,000 19,261,000 Anahiem Angels/San Francisco Giants
2001 FOX 7 15.7 26 16,519,000 24,528,000 Arizona Diamnondbacks / NY Yankees
2000 FOX 5 12.4 21 12,657,000 18,081,000 NY Yankees / NY Mets
1999 NBC 4 16.0 26 16,105,000 23,731,000 NY Yankees / Atlanta Braves
1998 FOX 4 14.1 24 14,050,000 20,340,000 NY Yankees / San Diego Padres
1997 NBC 7 16.7 29 16,410,000 24,790,000 Florida Marlins / Cleveland Indians
1996 FOX 6 17.4 29 16,890,000 25,220,000 NY Yankees / Atlanta Braves
1995 ABC 6 19.5 33 18,710,000 28,970,000 Atlanta Braves / Cleveland Indians

[JP1968]

The Yankees have released info on their postseason ticket policy for partial plan ticketholders:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/ticketing/postseason_preonsale_letter.jsp

[Mary Ellen]

The Yankees have released info on their postseason ticket policy for partial plan ticketholders:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/ticketing/postseason_preonsale_letter.jsp

I was actually interested in reading what the Yankees were going to do with their plans. Then I saw that the explanation was a long as War & Peace and said forget it. Why do these teams have to make everything such a mind bender?:shrug:

I swear it takes more committment than being married or in a relationship to be an MLB plan holder. My Mets Sunday Plan wore me out this year.

[Jim Vaz]

No More Black! *Fingers Crossed*

Nothing will please me more then if they finally remove ALL black from their uniforms!

Maybe someone in the Mets merchandising or PR department has finally realized that 1998 was 11 years and nobody cares thats its black or not, and that the only thing that really moves sporting merchandise is "winning", especially Mets stuff that is grossly outsold by Yankees merchanside in NY and around the country.

Doubt its happening but its nice to dream.

[mandrake]

I was actually interested in reading what the Yankees were going to do with their plans. Then I saw that the explanation was a long as War & Peace and said forget it. Why do these teams have to make everything such a mind bender?:shrug:

I swear it takes more committment than being married or in a relationship to be an MLB plan holder. My Mets Sunday Plan wore me out this year.

That would be your "Sunday and Five useless Weekday ticket plan", right?:shrug:

I used to have a Sunday plan because I liked going to Sunday afternoon games. However, Sunday nights are the very worst time for Orange County fans to attempt to go to a game at Citi Field. Between the Catskills weekend traffic on a Sunday, mixing with the Thruway crowd, hitting the various bridges.....a total nightmare.

Now, I mow the lawn on a Sunday evening, open the windows, watch the game on HDTV and think of it as watching 4-D TV with the 'smell-evision' effect......smell that fresh cut grass, sitting in my Comiskey Park seat....free parking in my driveway.....no traffic....:dance

[peterrod16]

Since the yanks have released their ticket prices.
I hope the mets front office will do the same in a week or so.
Here is my guess on the pricing structure for 2010
from five tiers to three
Bronze Silver and Gold
prom reserve 20, 24, 28
prom infield 25, 30, 35
Prom Box 35, 40, 45
Prom Club 45 50 60
LF Landing 24 28 32
LF reserve 30 35 40
Baseline box 40 42 45
Caesars bronze 61 65 69
Field Box 66 70 75
Metro Box 80 85 90(front row 100)
Caesars Gold 80 85 90(front row 100)

promenade reserve wil receive an increase in prices
in order to offset the dramatic discount on field level seating
The mets are rebuilding in 2010 so i feel it should be priced according to the poor product witness in 2009.
Full STH get the bronze price.

[mandrake]

Since the yanks have released their ticket prices.
I hope the mets front office will do the same in a week or so.
Here is my guess on the pricing structure for 2010
from five tiers to three
Bronze Silver and Gold
prom reserve 20, 24, 28
prom infield 25, 30, 35
Prom Box 35, 40, 45
Prom Club 45 50 60
LF Landing 24 28 32
LF reserve 30 35 40
Baseline box 40 42 45
Caesars bronze 61 65 69
Field Box 66 70 75
Metro Box 80 85 90(front row 100)
Caesars Gold 80 85 90(front row 100)

promenade reserve wil receive an increase in prices
in order to offset the dramatic discount on field level seating
The mets are rebuilding in 2010 so i feel it should be priced according to the poor product witness in 2009.
Full STH get the bronze price.

Peter
Yor prices are good for the fan, but I doubt that the Wilpons really grasp how bad their renewal/cancel rate will be at this point. Until they see that 20-25% or more are not renewing, they won't have these major corrections.
Even with your prices, some Caesar's are still just too high, IMHO.

[dstoffa]

I was actually interested in reading what the Yankees were going to do with their plans. Then I saw that the explanation was a long as War & Peace and said forget it. Why do these teams have to make everything such a mind bender?:shrug:

Because they sold so many partial plans.

From the looks of it, if you have a Yankees Small Plan (<= 20 games) you are entered into two drawings for pre-pre sales (1 for the ALDS/ALCS, and 1 for the WS). If you win, you can buy up to two tickets for one game. I read that as 2 tickets to one game pooled from both ALCS/ALDS games. If you don't win, you can buy 2 tickets to whatever is left. Rinse and repeat for the WS.

Seems like if you have a 4-seat plan, you can only buy two tickets. And if you have a 1-seat plan, you can buy 2 tickets.

My guess is these are gonna be gone in a hurry, and there will be people who are gonna complain because, "They couldn't do it at 10am whilst at work."

Makes you want to buy a larger plan w/ a guarantee now, doesn't it....

Cheers!
-Doug

[mandrake]

Because they sold so many partial plans.

From the looks of it, if you have a Yankees Small Plan (<= 20 games) you are entered into two drawings for pre-pre sales (1 for the ALDS/ALCS, and 1 for the WS). If you win, you can buy up to two tickets for one game. I read that as 2 tickets to one game pooled from both ALCS/ALDS games. If you don't win, you can buy 2 tickets to whatever is left. Rinse and repeat for the WS.

Seems like if you have a 4-seat plan, you can only buy two tickets. And if you have a 1-seat plan, you can buy 2 tickets.

My guess is these are gonna be gone in a hurry, and there will be people who are gonna complain because, "They couldn't do it at 10am whilst at work."

Makes you want to buy a larger plan w/ a guarantee now, doesn't it....

Cheers!
-Doug

Obviously a Yankees fan with a small partial plan still has a better shot at post season tickets than Mets full season ticket holders !!!!:)

"when you're the lead dog, your view never changes"....George Steinbrenner.

[GordonGecko]

This is how the Yankees are running the postseason ticket distribution for plan holders of less than 41 games:

1) All partial plan holders have the chance to buy 2 tickets to one ALDS game and 2 tickets to one ALCS game in a presale on 9/25 (subject to availability)

2) All partial plan holders have the chance to buy 2 tickets to one World Series game in a presale on 10/16 (subject to availability)

3) 1000 plan holders will be picked randomly on 9/21 to get a special "preliminary" presale on 9/23 before anyone else to buy 2 tickets to one ALDS game and 2 tickets to one ALCS game

4) 500 plan holders will be picked randomly on 10/12 to get a special "preliminary" presale on 10/14 before anyone else to buy 2 tickets to one World Series game

5) Anyone who gets picked for the special advanced presale can't participate in the regular presale

[tiscipa165]

Because they sold so many partial plans.

From the looks of it, if you have a Yankees Small Plan (<= 20 games) you are entered into two drawings for pre-pre sales (1 for the ALDS/ALCS, and 1 for the WS). If you win, you can buy up to two tickets for one game. I read that as 2 tickets to one game pooled from both ALCS/ALDS games. If you don't win, you can buy 2 tickets to whatever is left. Rinse and repeat for the WS.

Seems like if you have a 4-seat plan, you can only buy two tickets. And if you have a 1-seat plan, you can buy 2 tickets.

My guess is these are gonna be gone in a hurry, and there will be people who are gonna complain because, "They couldn't do it at 10am whilst at work."

Makes you want to buy a larger plan w/ a guarantee now, doesn't it....

Cheers!
-Doug

Nope. Opening Days, All-Star Game, Final game at Yankee Stadium, Opening Day at New Yankee Stadium, the Cubs exhibitions, tickets to every round in the playoffs in the past years - I have never been shut out of a Yankee presale once. Every Yankee game I've wanted to attend, tickets have been easy to come by and I haven't had to deal with the scalping vultures on Stubhub. I personally hope they never change the system.

[dstoffa]

Obviously a Yankees fan with a small partial plan still has a better shot at post season tickets than Mets full season ticket holders !!!!:)


True that... but it's what one was led to believe as compared to what someone is actually going to get.

How many seats in YS will be put in the small plan post-season pool? And how many plan holders are there? How many will be shut out?

[Kooos]

Peter
Yor prices are good for the fan, but I doubt that the Wilpons really grasp how bad their renewal/cancel rate will be at this point. Until they see that 20-25% or more are not renewing, they won't have these major corrections.
Even with your prices, some Caesar's are still just too high, IMHO.



Agreed.

Foresight isn't exactly this organization's strong suit. The Mets sold a ton of tickets this year, and that's all they'll understand right now. They may need to go thru a winter of non-renewals and a season of crappy attendance (next year) before they adjust the price structure in any meaningful way.

Although, if the non-renewals get really bad, I could see them scrambling in late winter to open up the rest of the park to partial plans. But unless they include a guaranteed postseason option, I'm not sure how many non-renewing FST's will bite on a partial?

[GordonGecko]

Although, if the non-renewals get really bad, I could see them scrambling in late winter to open up the rest of the park to partial plans. But unless they include a guaranteed postseason option, I'm not sure how many non-renewing FST's will bite on a partial?
I don't how this team as constituted has a shot at the postseason next year, and I think a lot of Mets fans will also agree that chances aren't the greatest. The Mets will have to work on prices because I don't think the postseason carrot is going to work very well anymore

[Kooos]

I don't how this team as constituted has a shot at the postseason next year, and I think a lot of Mets fans will also agree that chances aren't the greatest. The Mets will have to work on prices because I don't think the postseason carrot is going to work very well anymore


I agree our postseason chances don't look great next year, and I agree price is the most important factor....but I just don't see a whole lot of non-renewing FST's picking up a partial without the postseason guarantee (I know I won't). I mean, without the postseason guarantee......what's the point?

If the Mets keep Prom Reserve prices as is, I'll probably renew my full season plan. But if they hit me with a price increase, I'm gone. So, what's my incentive to pick up a partial? I won't be getting a price break over single game buyers and I won't be reserving a nicer location than what I can find on SH. So the postseason guarantee is the only incentive.

I also think reintroducing the postseason "carrot" could be a convenient way for them to drum up plan interest without having to resort to drastic price cuts (yet).

[GordonGecko]

I was able to land a 21-game Rangers plan in 303 Row G ($62 face) and I'm looking for a partner to split it with. If you want to take 10 games at face, I'll give you playoff rights to game 2 of each potential round at cost. PM me if interested or email me mlbgecko@yahoo.com

[robardin]

If the Mets keep Prom Reserve prices as is, I'll probably renew my full season plan. But if they hit me with a price increase, I'm gone. So, what's my incentive to pick up a partial? I won't be getting a price break over single game buyers and I won't be reserving a nicer location than what I can find on SH. ...
Partial plans still save you on the $6 per-ticket fee they slap on at the box office and online for Prom level. Especially when you're talking Prom Reserved tickets that average to a face price of $19 ($25 for PRI) over the season, that's a significant percent of the total cost. If your plan is in a low enough row and known to be free from plexiglass obstruction, it beats paying a premium on StubHub to get a low row and then gambling on whether or not it's obstructed.

[GordonGecko]

Partial plans still save you on the $6 per-ticket fee they slap on at the box office and online for Prom level. Especially when you're talking Prom Reserved tickets that average to a face price of $19 ($25 for PRI) over the season, that's a significant percent of the total cost. If your plan is in a low enough row and known to be free from plexiglass obstruction, it beats paying a premium on StubHub to get a low row and then gambling on whether or not it's obstructed.
There's always craigslist too, no fees there.

[metmet]

and ebay. A couple of times I bought tickets with parking under face on ebay and was able to unload the tickets on stubhub and get the parking for free.

The no fee perk from my sunday plan only paid off the few times I bought tickets through one of the specials they ran earlier in the season and when I bought yankee-mets tix.

For me to renew my Sunday plan, I would definitely need the Mets to give me lower seats in PRI at minimum. I still would not be sure because I really hate the 10/5 split.

[GordonGecko]

For me to renew my Sunday plan, I would definitely need the Mets to give me lower seats in PRI at minimum. I still would not be sure because I really hate the 10/5 split.
The mets need to cut their losses on the weekday games. They should kill the weekend plan and make the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday plans same-day plans only. They can then offer weekday plans (mon/wed & tue/thur) which yes will be less popular but overall will work out to their advantage.

[metmet]

The mets need to cut their losses on the weekday games. They should kill the weekend plan and make the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday plans same-day plans only. They can then offer weekday plans (mon/wed & tue/thur) which yes will be less popular but overall will work out to their advantage.

I agree, and I am willing to meet them half way. Give me every Sunday, and I'll spring for two weeknight games. The Yankees do that. That seems reasonable to me, not the 10/5 where I don't even get every weekend.

[robardin]

...but their calculus is somewhat easier, as they are going to the playoffs and can comfortably project ticket demand for next year to remain at least as good as this year (inaugural season balanced against missing the playoffs in 2008 plus the usual big-name off-season free agent signings).

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/yankees-announce-new-ticket-prices-for-2010/

Of the 50,086 seats in the Stadium, prices for 41,928 tickets (84 percent) will remain the same from 2009, while 6,454 tickets (13 percent) will see a decrease in price. There are 1,704 tickets (three percent) that will have an increase in price. ...

A total of 3,400 Field Level seats currently priced at $325 as part of full-season licenses will drop to $250 or $235 each next season, depending on their specific location. Additionally, all 1,208 Suite seats in the Delta Sky360° Suite will see a decrease in price, as will 1,846 of 1,894 Suite seats (97 percent) in the Legends Suite. The balance of the Legends Suite seats will have no price change.

All Field Level seats not in the aforementioned locations will remain at their current prices. Additionally, non-Suite tickets in the Bleachers, Grandstand and Terrace levels will see no change in price in the 2010 season.

In the Main Level, 10,111 seat locations will see no increase. The remaining 1,704 seats in Sections 216-217 and 223-224 currently priced at $100 will be $125 next season. These mark the only increases for 2010.

I give the Yankees much credit for announcing this more-or-less price freeze (and in some cases, price reduction) in September, before the playoffs even begin. If it had been the Mets I can only assume they would have waited to see how deep the team went, and jacked up prices if they made the World Series, and to create an extra-special Palladium pricing tier for Opening Day 2010 if they won it.

If the Yanks have the best record in baseball and can already pre-announce a price freeze/reduction for most seats for 2010, does this put added pressure on the Mets to also freeze/reduce prices for 2010 in the wake of a completely embarrassing season? I sure hope so...

[GordonGecko]

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[LI METS FAN]

Urgh. I know a baseball schedule is a baseball schedule, but what the hell? This thing SUCKS balls!

The Cubs, Dodgers, and Giants ALL within the 1st 5 weeks of the season???

Opening against the Marlins???

Subway Series is in May???

No games against the Phils past September 12th???

Interleague is against the Tigers and the Twins???

Closing against the Nats???

After this season, this schedule cannot be good news for sales next year.

What a crap ass home schedule!!!

The Cubs, Dodgers and Giants all early in the season stinks but the Mets usually play the Subway Series at home in May. May 2005, 2006 and 2007 had the Yanks playing at Shea, then in 2008 the Mets played the Yanks at Yankee Stadium in May. 2009 was the anomaly.

[BMF]

No More Black! *Fingers Crossed*

I don't have a problem with the black uni's if the wall is black.

[Shea1012]

I was able to land a 21-game Rangers plan in 303 Row G ($62 face) and I'm looking for a partner to split it with. If you want to take 10 games at face, I'll give you playoff rights to game 2 of each potential round at cost. PM me if interested or email me mlbgecko@yahoo.com

So I got stuck with donating last night's game, or did you buy the plan with the other pre-season game? You also got better seats! I'm 345 row G.

[mets16]

So I got stuck with donating last night's game, or did you buy the plan with the other pre-season game? You also got better seats! I'm 345 row G.

How much are they charging you guys for the plans? They really piss me off, my dad had season tickets since 79 and he threatened to cancel, and they tell him they have a waiting list so they kept them, and at the game last night, they opened up a new "subscriber" central to buy tickets. Ridiculous. You missed Henrik, Avery and Voros come up to the 400 level though, which was very surprising.

[Astros]

Nothing will please me more then if they finally remove ALL black from their uniforms!


No More Black! *Fingers Crossed*

Hmmm...I willing to bet they keep black.


I went on Sportslogos.net and looked up the Mets uniforms. They list their home uniform as being from 2000-2009. So if they are wearing new uniforms in Citi Field in 2010 what changes will be made besides the removal of the Inaugural season patch?

I do not think the uniform would change a ton, but perhaps they'd tweak a couple of things. ;) That is my two cents.

[mets16]

How about a cream color with pinstripes? It is a hell of alot better than the 90's black. Those are disgusting.

[Astros]

How about a cream color with pinstripes? It is a hell of alot better than the 90's black. Those are disgusting.

A cream color probably wouldn't look quite right unless it was made of flannel, which is not going to happen - at least not from a permanent point of view.

That said, there are ways to make those home pinstripes look a little more traditional in the Mets sense of the world. That could come to fruition.

[mets16]

A cream color probably wouldn't look quite right unless it was made of flannel, which is not going to happen - at least not from a permanent point of view.

That said, there are ways to make those home pinstripes look a little more traditional in the Mets sense of the world. That could come to fruition.

The Giants home uni's don't look terrible. If they just wore the home pinstripes and road grays, that would be fine.

[Astros]

The Giants home uni's don't look terrible. If they just wore the home pinstripes and road grays, that would be fine.

I agree, but they work with black and that seems to balance it out. I'm not sure the Mets blue would be something that would look as great, but maybe??? Speaking of the Giants...I think they'll have a uni change of some sort next year.

[grimthorpe]

Mirabile dictu, visiting teams have hit about a dozen more home runs at Citi Field this year than they have at Coors Field. No, that's not a typo. Imagine, Citi Field being more homer friendly homer than Coors, humidor or not.

[Shea1012]

Mirabile dictu, visiting teams have hit about a dozen more home runs at Citi Field this year than they have at Coors Field. No, that's not a typo. Imagine, Citi Field being more homer friendly homer than Coors, humidor or not.

Where did you find this stat?

[Shea1012]

How much are they charging you guys for the plans? They really piss me off, my dad had season tickets since 79 and he threatened to cancel, and they tell him they have a waiting list so they kept them, and at the game last night, they opened up a new "subscriber" central to buy tickets. Ridiculous. You missed Henrik, Avery and Voros come up to the 400 level though, which was very surprising.

They didn't lie. I have been on the waiting list for 4 years - I guess the recession nailed a lot of fans. The plan is $62 per ticket for 22 games.

[the_Bored]

Where did you find this stat?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=NYM&year=2009
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=COL&year=2009

Note the home and away splits. Also note that the Rockies have also allowed fewer HRs on the road than the Mets have; it's a bit misleading.

[Dishy24]

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Gordon D-
What's up with the "Special offer" from SI? I don't want to give a CC # to all of these clubs and subscribe to SI... what are you doing?

[GordonGecko]

Gordon D-
What's up with the "Special offer" from SI? I don't want to give a CC # to all of these clubs and subscribe to SI... what are you doing?

hmm, hadn't noticed that I haven't actually signed up for any of those yet except for the rockies one. That is weird. But personally I don't care what company has my credit card number if someone charges me incorrectly I can just cancel the charge

[GordonGecko]

So I got stuck with donating last night's game, or did you buy the plan with the other pre-season game? You also got better seats! I'm 345 row G.

I got the other plan, which is crappier because there's only 2 weekend games in the whole plan and no home opener. But the preseason game is this monday

[Mongoose]

I really cannot take your "talktalktalktalktalk"....then 'stink fingers in ears and say 'lalalalalalalalala' style of debate anymore. Its why you and your buddy have, for the most part, been universally ridiculed and ignored on this board...

Lets go over this again. In order...

1. No singing of God Bless America required. This is an open-market, capitalist country. People are going to run their business to the absolute edges of what they can legally get away with. That's why the government exists, serves to install regulations and prosecutes people that go past them. Then Ronald Reagan came along and deregulated everything, but that's another debate all together. As long as what he is doing falls within the confines of the law, you have no argument whatsoever. Be mad at the system that allows the business practices you detest. Don't hate the individuals that profit from them. If you haven't come to grips that people will do WHATEVER to get ahead and make a profit then I don't know what to tell you. If there is an angle, or way to gain .0002% more, someone is gonna take advantage of that. If you don't like it, move to China.

2. Yeah. Lets use the worst possible scenario as a basis for analysis. Tickets are going for 75 cents. OH GOD!!! The stadium is a failure!!! I mean its not like they are playing crap teams in September when the team is 18 games under .500, 20 games out of 1st, and um.....what else, ELIMINATED FROM THE PLAYOFFS!!!...Nah, let's use this 'data' as proof. Gimmie a freaking break...and STOP telling me how much I personally made or did not make this year vs. last. Last year, last season ever in the park, playoff race...COULD NOT GIVE TICKETS AWAY. This year up until the last few meaningless games I was able to get 75%-80% of face back. Even crappy midweek games when the team was basically done. Again, I have NO INTEREST in being an 'amateur scalper'. I want the ability to get some of my investment back. What the hell is wrong with that? If the team is good my tickets should retain or climb in value. If they stink they should go down or be worthless. That is a HEALTHY market. For the 10,000th time your beef is the ticket prices. Again, I agree that the face values on the high end are skewed. The capacity is absolutely perfect. If there's anything I learned this year it's that.

Universally ridiculed? You’re projecting again:

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1972

One more time: Artificially reduced supply and high demand (if the Mets are ever good again) will result in obscene face prices.

Period.

The kind of fans that post here will always take the worst hit. Instead of being rewarded, those that love and care most for the franchise will be exploited. You’ll be bled if the team is good and hedge Coupon when he slaps together a “contender” that tanks.




Year Net #Telecasts Rating Share Homes Viewers Teams

2007 FOX 4 10.6 18 11,994,000 17,123,000 Boston Red Sox / Colorado Rockies
2006 FOX 5 10.1 17 11,282,000 15,812,000 St. Louis Cardinals /Detroit Tigers
2005 FOX 4 11.1 19 12,272,000 17,162,000 Chicago White Sox/Houston Astros
2004 FOX 4 15.8 26 17,270,000 25,390,000 Boston Red Sox/St. Louis Cardinals
2003 FOX 6 12.8 22 13,834,000 20,142,000 Florida Marlins / NY Yankees
2002 FOX 7 11.9 20 12,645,000 19,261,000 Anahiem Angels/San Francisco Giants
2001 FOX 7 15.7 26 16,519,000 24,528,000 Arizona Diamnondbacks / NY Yankees
2000 FOX 5 12.4 21 12,657,000 18,081,000 NY Yankees / NY Mets
1999 NBC 4 16.0 26 16,105,000 23,731,000 NY Yankees / Atlanta Braves
1998 FOX 4 14.1 24 14,050,000 20,340,000 NY Yankees / San Diego Padres
1997 NBC 7 16.7 29 16,410,000 24,790,000 Florida Marlins / Cleveland Indians
1996 FOX 6 17.4 29 16,890,000 25,220,000 NY Yankees / Atlanta Braves
1995 ABC 6 19.5 33 18,710,000 28,970,000 Atlanta Braves / Cleveland Indians

Looks like MLB’s master plan of shrinking ballparks and pricing families out is working splendidly: ratings are down close to 50% over this time period.

At this rate, in another 15 years the World Series should be slugging it out with the Stanley Cup finals in the ratings derby.

[dstoffa]

This is the song that doesn't end....
And it goes on and on my friend...
Somebody, starting singing it not knowing what it was..
and we continue singing it no matter just because
this is the song that doesn't end...
And it goes on and on my friend...
Somebody, starting singing it not knowing what it was..
and we continue singing it no matter just because
this is the song that doesn't end...
And it goes on and on my friend...
Somebody, starting singing it not knowing what it was..
and we continue singing it no matter just because
this is the song that doesn't end...
And it goes on and on my friend...
Somebody, starting singing it not knowing what it was..
and we continue singing it no matter just because
this is the song that doesn't end...

[Kooos]

Universally ridiculed? You’re projecting again:

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1972

One more time: Artificially reduced supply and high demand (if the Mets are ever good again) will result in obscene face prices.

Period.

The kind of fans that post here will always take the worst hit. Instead of being rewarded, those that love and care most for the franchise will be exploited. You’ll be bled if the team is good and hedge Coupon when he slaps together a “contender” that tanks.



Looks like MLB’s master plan of shrinking ballparks and pricing families out is working splendidly: ratings are down close to 50% over this time period.

At this rate, in another 15 years the World Series should be slugging it out with the Stanley Cup finals in the ratings derby.



Well....I guess that settles it. :rolleyes:


IMO, if the Mets add a LF with power and a #2-3 starting pitcher, they'll be an 85-90 win team next season and compete for the wild card (assuming reasonably good health for the core guys). So I guess we'll find out then, won't we? If the Mets are a pretty good team, competing for a postseason berth, in a "normal" year (no last year of Shea, no brand new park).....I guess we'll find out just how "undersized" Cififield is?

Or are you really going to suggest that the 1986-1988 timeframe (when the Mets were the most talented team in baseball) is really what's "normal" in Flushing, and the Mets should've built a ballpark for that level of demand? Because I think most people would agree the Mets should be a tough ticket during a stretch like that.

[dstoffa]

One more time: Artificially reduced supply and high demand (if the Mets are ever good again) will result in obscene face prices.

Period.


Can't... Resist... Reply button....

How does one artificially reduce supply? Close off a section behind a curtain? I can see how someone can reduce supply but choosing not to buiild, but artificially reducing supply by putting seats behind a cloaking device? Come on now. You don't put things on sale you think won't sell, even if you make the occasional killing (less then 5 percent of the time).

Supply was reduced. Period. Price rices. Period.

That's economics 101.

Baseball is a business. Baseball is recreational entertainment, just like cable television, skiing, concerts, and going out to the movies. It's competing on all fronts, and is smart to cater to those who are dedicated to it. There are a lot of places to spend one's entertainment dollar.



Looks like MLB’s master plan of shrinking ballparks and pricing families out is working splendidly: ratings are down close to 50% over this time period.

At this rate, in another 15 years the World Series should be slugging it out with the Stanley Cup finals in the ratings derby.

Hockey is a cult sport here in the States. It's not fair to compare the two.
Baseball ratings have been plummeting since:

1. The penetration of CableTV -- There are now more things to watch. Just ask ABC why they finally gave up Monday Night Football.

2. The move to later starts to suit those who pay for advertising. Day World Series games? The Super Bowl being moved further and further to early evening starts? It's all about getting more money. Ads in prime time (adjusted for westward expansion of the population) generate more money than ads earlier in the day which may have more viewers.

Those in the business (sports, radio, TV) have realized that you make more money by SuperServing your niche audience then try to program to the general population. Why do you think owners do it? Because they know they can make more money by taking care of their slice then by trying to appeal to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who may have an occasional desire to purchase a product, and may have only purchased a product in the past because there wasn't a choice then. You can charge more for target demos. The nuclear family as a whole is probably not a target demo anymore. It was during the early days of color television, but not anymore. 25 percent of NYC's radio listening population is NOT listening to WABC anymore.

Cheers!
-Doug

[peterrod16]

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/metsblog/mets_raising_prices_in_Wy6wGSnwa5lidBmHsromjI

ATLANTA -- The Mets remained suspiciously coy today when asked if they plan to raise ticket prices at Citi Field for the 2010 season.

The club would only release a statement that said: “The Mets in the weeks ahead will be in direct communication with our season-ticket and ticket-plan holders regarding ticket prices for the 2010 season.”

The Mets' silence comes on the heels of Tuesday's announcement by the Yankees that they planned to freeze or cut 97 percent of full season-ticket prices next season.

According to the Team Marketing Report, the Mets' average ticket price of $36.99 this season is the fourth-highest in baseball behind the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs. The Mets' average price for premium seats of $149.54, meanwhile, is sixth-highest.

The Mets raised non-premium ticket prices 8.6 percent for the 2009 season, but they would be hard-pressed to raise prices in the wake of this year's 63-82 disaster of a season.

On the flip side, the franchise also is desperately trying to raise revenue in the wake of owner Fred Wilpon 's reported $700 million loss in the Bernie Madoff scandal.

[Kooos]

They're going to remain numb to the price issue until they go thru an offseason of non-renewals and a season of crappy attendance.

[GordonGecko]

They're going to remain numb to the price issue until they go thru an offseason of non-renewals and a season of crappy attendance.

yip, wilpon is broke and desperate

[Saltzy23]

Can't... Resist... Reply button....

How does one artificially reduce supply? Close off a section behind a curtain? I can see how someone can reduce supply but choosing not to buiild, but artificially reducing supply by putting seats behind a cloaking device? Come on now. You don't put things on sale you think won't sell, even if you make the occasional killing (less then 5 percent of the time).

Supply was reduced. Period. Price rices. Period.

That's economics 101.

Baseball is a business. Baseball is recreational entertainment, just like cable television, skiing, concerts, and going out to the movies. It's competing on all fronts, and is smart to cater to those who are dedicated to it. There are a lot of places to spend one's entertainment dollar.



Hockey is a cult sport here in the States. It's not fair to compare the two.
Baseball ratings have been plummeting since:

1. The penetration of CableTV -- There are now more things to watch. Just ask ABC why they finally gave up Monday Night Football.

2. The move to later starts to suit those who pay for advertising. Day World Series games? The Super Bowl being moved further and further to early evening starts? It's all about getting more money. Ads in prime time (adjusted for westward expansion of the population) generate more money than ads earlier in the day which may have more viewers.

Those in the business (sports, radio, TV) have realized that you make more money by SuperServing your niche audience then try to program to the general population. Why do you think owners do it? Because they know they can make more money by taking care of their slice then by trying to appeal to every Tom, Dick, and Harry who may have an occasional desire to purchase a product, and may have only purchased a product in the past because there wasn't a choice then. You can charge more for target demos. The nuclear family as a whole is probably not a target demo anymore. It was during the early days of color television, but not anymore. 25 percent of NYC's radio listening population is NOT listening to WABC anymore.

Cheers!
-Doug


Fabulous...

Well, one can artificially reduce supply when what you want wont be available when you want it...(someone tell him there are PLENTY of tickets available now).

Has the DEMAND been 'artificially' reduced this season due to a dog crap season?

[Saltzy23]

yip, wilpon is broke and desperate
I'm looking forward to terms like 'price restructuring', and 'cost maneuvering'...

I just dont see how they can raise prices across the board. As someone that objectively thinks they are paying less than they should I will be willing to accept a raise ONLY if, and I mean ONLY if I see a shift lowering the tickets on the high end and raising them on the low end. Being that that's what I think they should do, I'll be willing to pay a LITTLE more if I see its part of an overall restructuring to make it more affordable for the better seats...

...oh, and I still want some freebies as well...

[supremebeing002]

yip, wilpon is broke and desperate

Totally desperate! I mean look at what they are resorting to now. They've suddenly opened up more space up the first and third base sides outside the park for more of those personalized bricks. What? They are $300 a pop or something like that? Clearly they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for every possible form of revenue. If that 700 million figure truly is correct they will have to sell at one point no matter what they say now publicly.

[Shea1012]

Universally ridiculed? You’re projecting again:

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1972

One more time: Artificially reduced supply and high demand (if the Mets are ever good again) will result in obscene face prices.

Period.

The kind of fans that post here will always take the worst hit. Instead of being rewarded, those that love and care most for the franchise will be exploited. You’ll be bled if the team is good and hedge Coupon when he slaps together a “contender” that tanks.



Looks like MLB’s master plan of shrinking ballparks and pricing families out is working splendidly: ratings are down close to 50% over this time period.

At this rate, in another 15 years the World Series should be slugging it out with the Stanley Cup finals in the ratings derby.

You are looking at two specific years. If you compared 1998 WS to 2004, you would say, wow, look at that increase in six years, baseball is doing great. WS ratings are based on who is involved and to a lesser extent, how competitive the series is

[Shea1012]

Totally desperate! I mean look at what they are resorting to now. They've suddenly opened up more space up the first and third base sides outside the park for more of those personalized bricks. What? They are $300 a pop or something like that? Clearly they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for every possible form of revenue. If that 700 million figure truly is correct they will have to sell at one point no matter what they say now publicly.

I am not so sure. Considering this money goes to charity, and I remember in march I thought there was so much more space for the bricks I was pretty certain they would open up sales at some point.

[GordonGecko]

Check this out, Dodgers season ticket holders get a pre-sale for double tickets to EVERY NLDS/NLCS game:
http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/ticketing/postseason_preonsales.jsp

[Mongoose]

Can't... Resist... Reply button....

How does one artificially reduce supply? Close off a section behind a curtain? I can see how someone can reduce supply but choosing not to buiild, but artificially reducing supply by putting seats behind a cloaking device? Come on now. You don't put things on sale you think won't sell, even if you make the occasional killing (less then 5 percent of the time).

Supply was reduced. Period. Price rices. Period.

That's economics 101.

Baseball is a business. Baseball is recreational entertainment, just like cable television, skiing, concerts, and going out to the movies. It's competing on all fronts, and is smart to cater to those who are dedicated to it. There are a lot of places to spend one's entertainment dollar.

Seems like you have a lot of sympathy for Wilpon’s “right” to skew supply/demand any way he feels like it, due to some allegiance to the principles of the free market.

Even though you’re being bled; even though the market here isn’t free.

* MLB still has an absurd anti-trust exemption and Wilpon and MLB have a monopoly on their product.

* Wilpon has caused over a billion dollars in public money to be burned through between the stadium, TARP funds and the Willets Point “redevelopment” project.

I get the feeling that if it was a poor or rank and file person working the system to your disadvantage and sticking you with the bill, you’d have contempt for him. Since it’s a high roller "businessman" you inappropriately wave around the corpse of Adam Smith, though the whole set-up makes a mockery of the free market.


As someone that objectively thinks they are paying less than they should I will be willing to accept a raise ONLY if, and I mean ONLY if I see a shift lowering the tickets on the high end and raising them on the low end.

And so the turkey gladly accepts the invitation to Thanksgiving dinner.

[GordonGecko]

Check this out, Dodgers season ticket holders get a pre-sale for double tickets to EVERY NLDS/NLCS game:
http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/la/ticketing/postseason_preonsales.jsp

Wow I did really well :) Dugout Seats for NLCS game 1, behind the plate field for NLCS 3, and all you can eat bleachers row 3 for NLCS 2 & 4

[dstoffa]

Wow I did really well :) Dugout Seats for NLCS game 1, behind the plate field for NLCS 3, and all you can eat bleachers row 3 for NLCS 2 & 4

It's amazing what different markets bear. Congratulations on these ducats, as well as your Rangers tix. Hopefully the Rangers will learn to score some goals this season.

[ribant]

They're going to remain numb to the price issue until they go thru an offseason of non-renewals and a season of crappy attendance.

Exactly

It would be foolish to lower prices before you see what the actual demand will be.

And it is easy to put out mid-season ticket specials if sales are slow.

Right now thew Mets marketing department is looking at the 2010 schedule and price/sales histories of the date and opponent to see what game is in what tier.

Then they will look at the prices within the tiers to make a working price model

Then they will develop multiple sets of ticket plans and upper management will decide which to go with.

Then they will decide which additional plans and packs they will release later in the season depending on demand. I'm sure they had a pennant plan of some sort developed this year that wqs not marketed.

All the way through the end of next season Mets brass will hope the team doesn't go FUBAR so they can get a gtrue picture of how sales go when demand is steady through out the year.

Then if changes need to be made it will be for the 2011 season.

BTW the Yanks can make thier price adjustments now because they had a season where it all went right and they now know what ticket demand actually is. Plus NYS is not all that different than RYS

[ribant]

Guys,

Why are you bothering to argue with Mongoose.

He just repeats the same stuff over and over and probably gets off bugging you.

This is the 'net, he is just a clever troll.

Ignore him

[StadiumPage]

Totally desperate! I mean look at what they are resorting to now. They've suddenly opened up more space up the first and third base sides outside the park for more of those personalized bricks. What? They are $300 a pop or something like that? Clearly they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for every possible form of revenue. If that 700 million figure truly is correct they will have to sell at one point no matter what they say now publicly.

Proceeds from the bricks go to charity, not to the Mets.

[GordonGecko]

Ignore him
Rinse and Repeat. 4 Simple Steps

[dstoffa]

Seems like you have a lot of sympathy for Wilpon’s “right” to skew supply/demand any way he feels like it, due to some allegiance to the principles of the free market.


My allegiance is to the free market. He owns the team, he can do with what he pleases. He does not skew supply and demand. You appear to feel that way. There seems to be plenty of supply this September, and no demand, even though the Mets play in a smaller ballpark. Same thing cannot be said in the Bronx.



Even though you’re being bled; even though the market here isn’t free.

* MLB still has an absurd anti-trust exemption and Wilpon and MLB have a monopoly on their product.

* Wilpon has caused over a billion dollars in public money to be burned through between the stadium, TARP funds and the Willets Point “redevelopment” project.


I am not being bled. Nobody forced me to buy my tickets. I think, through the season, I've left 3 single tickets unused. I have a CHOICE as to where to spend my money. I choose to buy Mets tickets.

I don't know how baseball's anti-trust exemption plays into this. Similar arguments can be made for other professional sports regarding high ticket prices and the common fan being shut out and not being able to by a cheap walk up day-of-game ticket. How does the supply and demand issue play out in those arenas (NFL, NHL, NBA)?

There are MANY wastes of tax dollars, not just the ones you cite. Personally, I'd have let GM go under. I'd have left Citigroup sink like the Titanic. Unfortunately, big government is afraid of the radical change to the financial landscape such major failings would bring, because tax can only be collected when goods or services are exchanged, not when people are sitting on their behind. This would hurt their agenda. Everyone likes their cheese.

A lot of programs I sure you are in favor of exploit those who have no desire to support such programs. It has nothing to do with being rich or poor. Deal with it.

As far as redevelopment goes, the City has say in that, not the owner of the Mets. I am sure that they want to be able to collect the additional tax revenue that new homes / commercial businesses bring in then what is currently present in the IT. The US Supreme Court has already ruled on this in Kelo v. City of New London.



I get the feeling that if it was a poor or rank and file person working the system to your disadvantage and sticking you with the bill, you’d have contempt for him. Since it’s a high roller "businessman" you inappropriately wave around the corpse of Adam Smith, though the whole set-up makes a mockery of the free market.


I'd be saying, damn, why didn't I buy that team when it was for sale back in 1979, when the city was a living hell.... Man, only if I had the foresight and was willing to take the risk... And why didn't I buy that three-family brownstone in Park Slope back then, too....

Do you know what really grinds my gears? Rent Control. I don't think it's fair that certain people aren't subject to market rates, and that their occupancy of units in a building forces the price of other units in a building up, thereby skewing the market, so that the owner of the building can cover expenses.

Look, there is PLENTY of waste. I say we get rid of it all. Start voting against every incumbent, regardless of affiliation. That's a start. The longer someone stays in one place, the harder they are to get out.

But in reality, that will never happen. Sometimes I think we, as a society, need to go under a forest-fire renewal, and let the place burn, and let the survivors shape policy.



And so the turkey gladly accepts the invitation to Thanksgiving dinner.

That invitation gets 'Returned to Sender.' No turkey here.

[dstoffa]

Guys,

Why are you bothering to argue with Mongoose.

He just repeats the same stuff over and over and probably gets off bugging you.

This is the 'net, he is just a clever troll.

Ignore him

I will not ignore him with the use of an ignore list.... I compare him to Kevin Bacon standing in a street yelling, "ALL IS WELL" at the end of Animal House. No matter how often I watch (or read in this case), I laugh.

[Mongoose]

Guys,

Why are you bothering to argue with Mongoose.

He just repeats the same stuff over and over and probably gets off bugging you.

This is the 'net, he is just a clever troll.

Ignore him

Not really. I have nearly 1000 posts on this site, relatively few of which are on this thread. Most are Mets related, as I am a lifelong Mets fan, but they run the gamut.

This thread is an enigma. Most of the people who post here are probably of above average intelligence; most here can afford season tickets and probably earn a decent living. In spite of this many here go through the strangest contortions to justify being taken advantage of at the hands of an especially greedy ownership. This is profoundly unintelligent.

I don't "get off" bugging anyone. I'm actually bugged that there's a contingent of Mets fans that enables the current ownership by shuffling along with any and every underhanded maneuver they come up with to stick it to the fan base. Your willingness to do this makes everyone else's ballgame experience costlier and crummier. It is a cancer for the fan base at large.

I would like to understand the justifications and think it's fair game for discussion.

on edit:

And finally, to Doug:

What can I say... You support Kelo vs. New London, which essentially gives the powerful the right to seize the property of whoever they want. This is not a mainstream viewpoint. On the other hand, rent control annoys you. :crazy

I think you support Coupon screwing the fan base as a matter of principle. Who says "nobody cheers for Goliath"? Certainly from a dollars and cents perspective it doesn't make any sense for you.

[GordonGecko]

I'd be saying, damn, why didn't I buy that team when it was for sale
Didn't Steinbrenner pick up the Yankees for $10M, not a penny of which was his own? Something like that, but still, Yankees are worth over a $1B now, more than a hundred times the investment (not accounting for inflation) plus the invaluable notoriety and easy connections to people and businesses from all walks of life. Just amazing.

[dstoffa]

And finally, to Doug:

What can I say... You support Kelo vs. New London, which essentially gives the powerful the right to seize the property of whoever they want. This is not a mainstream viewpoint. On the other hand, rent control annoys you. :crazy

I think you support Coupon screwing the fan base as a matter of principle. Who says "nobody cheers for Goliath"? Certainly from a dollars and cents perspective it doesn't make any sense for you.

I didn't say that I support the Supreme Court ruling, just that they have ruled on it, and pretty much said that cities can do what they please with private property. I think the ruling is crap, but it is the ruling. That is one branch of government (US Supreme Court) that the population has no direct say in controlling. Apparently the ruling gives a governing body the right to seize private property for redevelopment because the governing body feels that its better for the majority of person residing / visiting / working within the limits of that governing body. Apparently that is why Freddy's bonds were issued. The city felt it was best for its populace.

Rent control is simply giving a handout to someone else by artificially skewing supply and demand, albeit the have-nots instead of the haves. It's economic redistribution just the same. Are you for artificially skewing supply and demand?

[mandrake]

IMHO, and I said it before, anybody who automatically renews Mets tickets for 2010 at 2009 prices and terms is making a big mistake.

Really, the only decent price tickets are in prom reserve. However, I prefer the 400 level at NYS to the 500 level at CF, and when you buy a ticket at NYS you know the price without looking at that tier garbarge.

As a Mets fan who does not hate the Yankees, but who is jealous of their success, there is something that I do not understand about the two fan bases. Actually, I understand the NYY mentality but I have trouble digesting the Mets fan reasoning.

NYY fans feel entitled about winning. Since 1995, they believe they are entitled to the post season, and everything is centered on obtaining that goal. I love that attitude. The team may fall short, but the fan base gets charged up with 'they better do it this year'. There are always high expectations, and demands too. Some Yankees fans do carry on a bit much, but the entire franchise from top to bottom is dedicated to winning.

Now the Mets fanbase. For a large part of the fan base, they have accepted losing. They make up excuses. "we came so close in 2006", "if only we did not collapse in 2007" "it was the bullpen in 2008" and "it was all the injuries in 2009". Losing has become accepted. Some Mets fans say "well, we won more pennants than other expansion clubs". Ok, that's true. But when the Patriots lost the Super Bowl to the Giants, did the organization and their fans say "Well, we won more super bowls than the other original AFL teams" ?
The Mets fanbase confuses loyalty with accepting a flawed product. Just like the NFL Giants needed a fan rebellion circa 1978 to wake up ownership, the Mets fan base need to wake up the Wilpons.

Otherwise, another steep decline like 1977-1979, or 1993-1995, or 2002-2004 is in our immediate future. And CF is going to look a lot less attractive with 10,000 empty seats every night (except when NYY fans take over).:banghead:

[Mongoose]

I didn't say that I support the Supreme Court ruling, just that they have ruled on it, and pretty much said that cities can do what they please with private property. I think the ruling is crap, but it is the ruling. That is one branch of government (US Supreme Court) that the population has no direct say in controlling. Apparently the ruling gives a governing body the right to seize private property for redevelopment because the governing body feels that its better for the majority of person residing / visiting / working within the limits of that governing body. Apparently that is why Freddy's bonds were issued. The city felt it was best for its populace.

Rent control is simply giving a handout to someone else by artificially skewing supply and demand, albeit the have-nots instead of the haves. It's economic redistribution just the same. Are you for artificially skewing supply and demand?

Rent control is a response to the complex dynamic that has raised rents in the City. I guess it could be argued that a large component in rising rents has been the handouts and abatements real estate developers have received for their private developments. In this instance, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Why should someone be uprooted from the life they've lived for decades just because some already super-rich recipient of public funds and abatements has bought up property and jacked the property values in their area?

But getting back to baseball and tickets...

If you're so outraged about this "skewing" of the laws of supply and demand, then why no outrage over Wilpon shrinking the ballpark and hiking ticket prices?

[Kooos]

IMHO, and I said it before, anybody who automatically renews Mets tickets for 2010 at 2009 prices and terms is making a big mistake.

Really, the only decent price tickets are in prom reserve. However, I prefer the 400 level at NYS to the 500 level at CF, and when you buy a ticket at NYS you know the price without looking at that tier garbarge.

As a Mets fan who does not hate the Yankees, but who is jealous of their success, there is something that I do not understand about the two fan bases. Actually, I understand the NYY mentality but I have trouble digesting the Mets fan reasoning.

NYY fans feel entitled about winning. Since 1995, they believe they are entitled to the post season, and everything is centered on obtaining that goal. I love that attitude. The team may fall short, but the fan base gets charged up with 'they better do it this year'. There are always high expectations, and demands too. Some Yankees fans do carry on a bit much, but the entire franchise from top to bottom is dedicated to winning.

Now the Mets fanbase. For a large part of the fan base, they have accepted losing. They make up excuses. "we came so close in 2006", "if only we did not collapse in 2007" "it was the bullpen in 2008" and "it was all the injuries in 2009". Losing has become accepted. Some Mets fans say "well, we won more pennants than other expansion clubs". Ok, that's true. But when the Patriots lost the Super Bowl to the Giants, did the organization and their fans say "Well, we won more super bowls than the other original AFL teams" ?
The Mets fanbase confuses loyalty with accepting a flawed product. Just like the NFL Giants needed a fan rebellion circa 1978 to wake up ownership, the Mets fan base need to wake up the Wilpons.

Otherwise, another steep decline like 1977-1979, or 1993-1995, or 2002-2004 is in our immediate future. And CF is going to look a lot less attractive with 10,000 empty seats every night (except when NYY fans take over).:banghead:



I don't buy that.

Did Red Sox fans "accept losing" for 86 years before 2004? The Patriots were a pretty inept franchise before Tom Brady came along, did their fans used to "accept losing", but now they don't? If you're a fan of a team and they lose.....whaddya gonna do, find a new one? Boycott? Don't watch baseball?

And somtimes the excuses happen to be true. The postseason really is a crapshoot (as Yankee fans can attest to). The bullpen really did ruin our postseason chances in 2008.

The only reason Yankee fans don't "accept losing" is because their team has paired unlimited resources with some smart decision makers. If the Yankees had less money and a dumb GM.....their fans would be forced to "accept losing" (which they did just fine in the 80's when the Mets owned the town).

[nymdan]

Mirabile dictu, visiting teams have hit about a dozen more home runs at Citi Field this year than they have at Coors Field. No, that's not a typo. Imagine, Citi Field being more homer friendly homer than Coors, humidor or not.
Colorado has a good team. The Mets do not.

[mandrake]

I don't buy that.

Did Red Sox fans "accept losing" for 86 years before 2004? The Patriots were a pretty inept franchise before Tom Brady came along, did their fans used to "accept losing", but now they don't? If you're a fan of a team and they lose.....whaddya gonna do, find a new one? Boycott? Don't watch baseball?

And somtimes the excuses happen to be true. The postseason really is a crapshoot (as Yankee fans can attest to). The bullpen really did ruin our postseason chances in 2008.

The only reason Yankee fans don't "accept losing" is because their team has paired unlimited resources with some smart decision makers. If the Yankees had less money and a dumb GM.....their fans would be forced to "accept losing" (which they did just fine in the 80's when the Mets owned the town).

Obviously, franchises all go through rough times. The Patriots had a losing attitude for over 30 years, then they turned things around. The Red Sox have had a very loyal following since 1967, but for the most part they were always competitive. The Montreal Candiens won 24 cups, but even though they did not win since '93, most people still think of them as winners.
Franchises like the Cowboys, Dodgers, St Loo Cardinals, Steelers, Celtics all conjure up pictures of winners. Losers....Lions,Cubs,Clippers, etc. Some franchises get caught up in a losing mentality and I believe that the Mets are now trapped in it. A franchise can break out of it (Angels, AZ Cardinals, etc) but it seems it takes a while to turn it around.

For all of the Mets owning NYC in the 1980's, they still got a lot of mileage out of just one WS win. And now that is 23 years in the rear view mirror. Many people who post on BF were not even born when they last won.

If the Mets flop again in 2010, will it be enough to get fans irate enough to mobilize them like the football Giants fanbase in 1978. Incidentally, at the half way point in 1978 the Giants (and the Jets too) were 5-3 and fans were dreaming of a Subway Superbowl. Then the team(s) collapsed, which turned out to be a blessing.

Is there a point where even the most optimistic fan says enough? Or are the Mets destined to be the Cubs of the east?:confused:

[robardin]

Obviously, franchises all go through rough times.
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For all of the Mets owning NYC in the 1980's, they still got a lot of mileage out of just one WS win. And now that is 23 years in the rear view mirror. Many people who post on BF were not even born when they last won.
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Is there a point where even the most optimistic fan says enough? Or are the Mets destined to be the Cubs of the east?:confused:

You know what? Sports Illustrated picked the 2009 Mets to win the World Series back in March. On paper it was a pretty good team, marked to last year's performances, and with just a little bit of luck could have been an excellent team (if more players turned in improved years from 2008 than not).

Now I know SI is famous, but famous for "cursing" whatever team they anoint as the pre-season favorite. But this, damn, we're not talking about just choking in the NLCS here, or even on Game 162, but basically being out of the playoff picture within a week of the All-Star Game due to a combination of injuries to key players (Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Putz), major steps backwards by just about every player on the cusp or a potential gamble (Perez, Murphy, Pelfrey, Church, Green), having not a single called up prospect being able to contribute or impress except in brief flashes (Fernando Martinez, Nieve, Niese, Parnell), and finally an inexplicable power outage from David Wright, who finally reached 10 HRs in the second week of September after over 130 starts... Oh, and John Maine goes down for more than half the season, the #5 starter (Hernandez) is released in August, and the megawatt All-Star closer, K-Rod, has blown 6 out of 37 save opportunities going into the dreaded Bitter Seventeen to end the season.

I shudder to think of relying on Francoeur as a #5 hitter in the lineup and patrolling RF. And of Dan Murphy repeating as the starting 1B.

The only bright spot really has been seeing this Josh Thole kid behind the plate, and Pagan making a bid for being a starting left fielder instead of a good 4th outfielder (where I'd like to see him best). I hope he doesn't turn in a sophomore effort like Dan Murphy has... And I hope Murphy can find his second wind next year. I still would prefer to see him at 2B than Castillo. Yet another lefty bat though.

BTW, has SI ever gotten a pre-season prediction right or close to it (called a favorite who at least won the league pennant)? There should be a track record of who they predicted would win what (division, league pennant, World Series) versus who actually did available somewhere, right?

[nybatzo]

I have 2 tickets to the Fri Oct 2 Game at Citi field against the Astros that I cannot make and would like to trade for 2 to tomorrows game. The 2 seats are in Prom. 525. Thanks!

[Kooos]

Obviously, franchises all go through rough times. The Patriots had a losing attitude for over 30 years, then they turned things around. The Red Sox have had a very loyal following since 1967, but for the most part they were always competitive. The Montreal Candiens won 24 cups, but even though they did not win since '93, most people still think of them as winners.
Franchises like the Cowboys, Dodgers, St Loo Cardinals, Steelers, Celtics all conjure up pictures of winners. Losers....Lions,Cubs,Clippers, etc. Some franchises get caught up in a losing mentality and I believe that the Mets are now trapped in it. A franchise can break out of it (Angels, AZ Cardinals, etc) but it seems it takes a while to turn it around.

For all of the Mets owning NYC in the 1980's, they still got a lot of mileage out of just one WS win. And now that is 23 years in the rear view mirror. Many people who post on BF were not even born when they last won.

If the Mets flop again in 2010, will it be enough to get fans irate enough to mobilize them like the football Giants fanbase in 1978. Incidentally, at the half way point in 1978 the Giants (and the Jets too) were 5-3 and fans were dreaming of a Subway Superbowl. Then the team(s) collapsed, which turned out to be a blessing.

Is there a point where even the most optimistic fan says enough? Or are the Mets destined to be the Cubs of the east?:confused:



Well, that's not exactly fair. Over a 7 year period (1984 thru 1990) the Mets averaged 95 wins per season and if the wildcard format had been in place, they would've made the postseason 6 times and probably won back to back championships (85 & 86).

Sorry, but the "losing mentality" argument is nonsense imo. Any team that hasn't won it all in awhile supposedly has a "losing mentality", when in reality it usually just means they've either been unlucky or they have a history of making poor decisions (or both).

If this was a case of ownership clearly not trying to build a winner (like the late 70's Mets), it would be one thing.....but that's not happening here. There's no possible way you or anyone else can make a case that the team with the 2nd highest payroll in baseball hasn't been trying to win.

So what is a "fan revolt" suppose to accomplish.....make them try harder? Make them spend even more? Make them sell the team? Are they going to start taking suggestions from fans on who to hire? Fans can get pissed and stamp their feet all they want, but winning a championship is still going to come down to 3 things....1.) Ownership trying to build a winner (which they've done), 2.) Hiring the right people and then getting out of the way (which they haven't done), and 3.) Catching a few breaks (which they haven't gotten).

Look, if a planholder decides to cancel his plan to send a message about ticket prices....that's one thing, I can completely understand that. But I don't buy for a second that certain fanbases have a losing mentality which enables mediocrity, while others refuse to accept losing from their team. That's hogwash. If the Yankees flameout in the 1st round again, what exactly are their "entitled" fans gonna do to guarantee victory in 2011? Nothing, they're gonna whine and hope things turn out better next year.

If the Yankees don't win another championship for 20 years because CC gains 200lbs this winter, Arod gets gangrene from a broken needle in his a$$, and MLB institutes a hard $150m cap......does that mean their fans lost their "winning attitude"?

[mandrake]

If the Yankees don't win another championship for 20 years because CC gains 200lbs this winter, Arod gets gangrene from a broken needle in his a$$, and MLB institutes a hard $150m cap......does that mean their fans lost their "winning attitude"?

No, and as I am rooting for the Angels to win it all, I hope the Bronx has to wait for number 27. If the Yankees falter and I still can't see the Tigers repeating 2006 again, then the Yankees will go out and reload again, just like they did when they signed Tex. Take him off the Yanks and put him back in Anaheim and see who looks better.

People call FAN and say 'sign this player, and that player'. I just don't see the best free agents lining up to play for the Mets; we don't even know if the Wilpons can afford any big siginings.

Also, some fans talk about being 29-21 at the high point of the season, but I think they won around 7 games against the Nats at that point. The way the Yankees slapped around the Mets pitchig staff was enough for me to say this team was not a contender (15-0 at NYS, 9-1 at CF). And I just can't see this roster as a playoff team. The Cubs have a lot of talent on paper, but something is missing over there. The Mets just have too many questions in that lineup: 1b, LF, RF,...three power positions with no real MLB power.

[Shea1012]

[QUOTE=Mongoose;1613344]Rent control is a response to the complex dynamic that has raised rents in the City. I guess it could be argued that a large component in rising rents has been the handouts and abatements real estate developers have received for their private developments. In this instance, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Why should someone be uprooted from the life they've lived for decades just because some already super-rich recipient of public funds and abatements has bought up property and jacked the property values in their area?

QUOTE]

I know this is off topic - but what complex dynamic has raised rents in the city? The fact that many people choose to live in Manhattan? What is complex about that, unless you cannot afford to be one of those people. If rent control was wiped out, then another million or so apartments would be available, likely lowering the average price of all apartments in Manhattan. This is simple supply and demand. If you increase supply by 1 million apartments, prices will have to meet demand. And instead of people paying $600 or $4,500 for similar 2 bedroom apartments, the market would come to an 'agreement' on what the proper price is, which will be somewhere in the middle. Rent control hurts the middle class by (to use someone's words) artificially reducing supply.

[robardin]

If the Yankees falter and I still can't see the Tigers repeating 2006 again, then the Yankees will go out and reload again, just like they did when they signed Tex. Take him off the Yanks and put him back in Anaheim and see who looks better.
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People call FAN and say 'sign this player, and that player'. I just don't see the best free agents lining up to play for the Mets; we don't even know if the Wilpons can afford any big siginings.
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The Mets just have too many questions in that lineup: 1b, LF, RF,...three power positions with no real MLB power.

And the question of Reyes' lack of production even before going down (was it due to the nagging tendon that eventually brought him down?), Wright's power blackout and lack of clutch hitting, below league average production from the catcher's position (unless Thule is more than a rookie having a hot start a la Dan Murphy last year), and how even in a turnaround season at the plate, Castillo's basically still a ground ball slap hitter.

And then there's the starting rotation... *brrr*

BTW, why is everyone so certain Delgado's not coming back? If he's going to be cheap because he's coming off season ending surgery, it'd be right up the Mets' alley to gamble on him (a la Mo Vaughn) hoping to get a bargain deal on a slugger "maybe with something left in the tank". More likely though they'll go a Todd Zeile route and try to pick up a second-tier veteran role player.

[dstoffa]

Rent control is a response to the complex dynamic that has raised rents in the City. I guess it could be argued that a large component in rising rents has been the handouts and abatements real estate developers have received for their private developments. In this instance, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Why should someone be uprooted from the life they've lived for decades just because some already super-rich recipient of public funds and abatements has bought up property and jacked the property values in their area?

Rent control was put in place to keep people in their home whilst raw materials were being diverted to the war effort during a time of wartime inflation. Since no new housing was being constructed, the powers that be didn't want a bidding war for what housing was available. Government decided to control the market.

I offer the following from Megan McArdle:
"In times like this, it's easy to believe that if you laid all the economists in the world end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion. But here's one of the things that basically everyone, left to right, agrees on: rent control is the surest way to destroy a city's housing stock short of aerial bombing, and one of the major culprits behind New York's painfully low vacancy rate. Rent control allows some people to stay in artificially cheap apartments, but only by forcing the people who would have rented them into some other, less desirable place. Those people bid up the price of the uncontrolled housing, so that you essentially end up with two housing markets, one with rents above the natural market price, and one with rents below it. There is no way to ensure that the deserving middle class folks you want to see stay in the city end up in the latter, and indeed, many of the owners of rent stabilized apartments were notorious for finding the richest tenants they could. Rich tenants rarely get behind on the rent, and move sooner than people who can just barely afford their below-market place.
"Meanwhile, the stabilized stock deteriorates, because, especially in inflationary times, it does not pay the landlords to maintain them beyond the barest minimum required by law. And no one wants to build any new housing except luxury units which will not be controlled.
"Then everyone wonders how come there are no houses for middle income people in the city."

66% percent of rental units in New York City are under some type of rent control. If that isn't government skewing supply and demand, I don't know what is. If you favor rent control, you really shouldn't oppose any skewing of supply and demand, no matter who does it.

And yes, this will be my last statement on the subject



But getting back to baseball and tickets...

If you're so outraged about this "skewing" of the laws of supply and demand, then why no outrage over Wilpon shrinking the ballpark and hiking ticket prices?

I am not outraged at the capacity of CitiField. You have been complaining about Citi-Field and skewed supply and demand, writing that it's evil. I've countered with another situation where supply and demand have been artificially skewed (Rent Control), yet you favor this skewing and feel it's good and just. You can't have it both ways.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander indeed.

Cheers!
-Doug

[ribant]

Rent control was put in place to keep people in their home whilst raw materials were being diverted to the war effort during a time of wartime inflation. Since no new housing was being constructed, the powers that be didn't want a bidding war for what housing was available. Government decided to control the market.

I offer the following from Megan McArdle:
"In times like this, it's easy to believe that if you laid all the economists in the world end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion. But here's one of the things that basically everyone, left to right, agrees on: rent control is the surest way to destroy a city's housing stock short of aerial bombing, and one of the major culprits behind New York's painfully low vacancy rate. Rent control allows some people to stay in artificially cheap apartments, but only by forcing the people who would have rented them into some other, less desirable place. Those people bid up the price of the uncontrolled housing, so that you essentially end up with two housing markets, one with rents above the natural market price, and one with rents below it. There is no way to ensure that the deserving middle class folks you want to see stay in the city end up in the latter, and indeed, many of the owners of rent stabilized apartments were notorious for finding the richest tenants they could. Rich tenants rarely get behind on the rent, and move sooner than people who can just barely afford their below-market place.
"Meanwhile, the stabilized stock deteriorates, because, especially in inflationary times, it does not pay the landlords to maintain them beyond the barest minimum required by law. And no one wants to build any new housing except luxury units which will not be controlled.
"Then everyone wonders how come there are no houses for middle income people in the city."

66% percent of rental units in New York City are under some type of rent control. If that isn't government skewing supply and demand, I don't know what is. If you favor rent control, you really shouldn't oppose any skewing of supply and demand, no matter who does it.

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Cheers!
-Doug

This is totally off topic but your source is %100 right about the unintended affect of rent controls.

A fact she leaves out is at the time controls were put in place the rents were only going up a few percent a year anyway so RS and RC made very little difference in the market place and nobody, including landlords really cared.

It wasn't until the widespread tenement tear downs in the 60's and mid 70's inflation that free market rents began to soar leading to the split market we have today.

Also it's more like %40-%45 NYC apartments are under controls. These units free up so rarely that they may as well be invisble to the free market.

Boston ended rent controls and the city survived just fine, but there was some population shift

[dstoffa]

Also it's more like %40-%45 NYC apartments are under controls. These units free up so rarely that they may as well be invisble to the free market.


The 2005 New York City Housing and Vacancy Survey reads that of over 2.09 million rental units in the City, only 698 thousand are NOT rent controlled in some way. That comes to 33 percent uncontrolled.

http://www.housingnyc.com/downloads/research/pdf_reports/08HSR.pdf

[ribant]

The 2005 New York City Housing and Vacancy Survey reads that of over 2.09 million rental units in the City, only 698 thousand are NOT rent controlled in some way. That comes to 33 percent uncontrolled.

http://www.housingnyc.com/downloads/research/pdf_reports/08HSR.pdf

Interesting.

I don't have the cite but I thought the number of controlled was slightly less than a million.

[Shea1012]

Interesting.

I don't have the cite but I thought the number of controlled was slightly less than a million.

I believe the one million number is Manhattan only. Which, even being from Queens, I can plainly admit is really the area most affected by rent control rules

[CHiller]

Looks to me (viewing it on SNY) that the Mets added a division standings section to the out of town scoreboard- That new section they added to the left of the original part. Looks like if rotates through the various divisions.

[peterrod16]

Looks to me (viewing it on SNY) that the Mets added a division standings section to the out of town scoreboard- That new section they added to the left of the original part. Looks like if rotates through the various divisions.

Yeah i saw the standings.
Hopefully next year the mets can put a electric board to the left and right of the centerfield scoreboard for the lineup list.
it would bring a memory of shea to citi field.
love the helmet give away tonight and im surprise about the decent crowd tonight

[Greg B.]

Yeah i saw the standings.
love the helmet give away tonight and im surprise about the decent crowd tonight

Amazing what an oversized ice cream cup can do... :)

[Mister B.]

Looks to me (viewing it on SNY) that the Mets added a division standings section to the out of town scoreboard- That new section they added to the left of the original part. Looks like if rotates through the various divisions.

I was there. It was leaving off some of the team names at the top of the standings so after a few innings they gave up on it, and it went dark for the rest of the game.

Nice addition, though.

[Mary Ellen]

Amazing what an oversized ice cream cup can do... :)

Speaking of cups. Whatever happened to the big DD cup from Shea?

[Rob R]

Deleted. Was too easy and too crude. :laugh

[Strawman]

Speaking of cups. Whatever happened to the big DD cup from Shea?

She didn't renew her plan....

[tomzpc]

She didn't renew her plan....

:rofl:...one of the funniest replies that I've seen on here.

[BuddyJas]

What changes do you want to see at Citi next year? Here’s my list:

1. Redesign the bullpens so the fans have access to both-----like Citizens Bank Park. If visiting teams can tolerate Philly fans they should have no problems with us
2. Shorten the guy wires holding up the backstop net that run all the way to the outfield. Why can’t they be attached to a deck near home plate? From where I sit, it looks like a second foul line.
3. Get rid of the Promenade restaurant and turn it into a Met museum. Do we really need a caste system in the upper deck? For finger food?
4. Make Shake Shack sites available on every level. I refuse to wait in line and miss 2 –3 innings of a game
5. Allow equal access to the parking lot. First-come, first-served. I am paying good money for a ticket plan and feel like a second-class citizen having to park a few hundred yards away ----only to walk across vacant lots 2 hours prior to the game.

I am sure I have left some out but it’s a start.

[nymdan]

1. Redesign the bullpens so the fans have access to both-----like Citizens Bank Park. If visiting teams can tolerate Philly fans they should have no problems with us
How?

I'm all for changing the bullpen configuration, but it would be hard to do without changing dimensions, which I don't think will be happening before next season.

[li7039]

How?

I'm all for changing the bullpen configuration, but it would be hard to do without changing dimensions, which I don't think will be happening before next season.

do something like Houston and make it indoors along the left field wall.

[tugger]

She didn't renew her plan....

http://everhip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/morganna1.jpg

Batter up!

[BuddyJas]

How?

I'm all for changing the bullpen configuration, but it would be hard to do without changing dimensions, which I don't think will be happening before next season.

I don't want them changing the dimensions but there has to be some change to that abomination they have now. It's pretty bad when the visiting teams are lodging protests to the Commissioner's office. If it means moving the bridge then so be it.

[mets16]

How?

I'm all for changing the bullpen configuration, but it would be hard to do without changing dimensions, which I don't think will be happening before next season.

My idea is highly unlikely, but I would be happy for it to happen. First bridge the gap where the Modells corner is by putting a wall in front of it. The Visitor bullpen can go in the area where the old warning track/RF was. Then after the visitor's bullpen leaves, enable fans to walk up to the Mets bullpen and watch from the area the Visitor's was. Then the fans in the Modell's area would be able to watch the visitors warming up. It fixes that silly, and somewhat stupid RF corner, which is a very pathetic attempt to make a feature that really doesn't belong.

I will attempt, keyword is attempt a Photoshop job to somewhat get my point across, but I think you get an idea from the description.

Edit.. Ok this is what I meant, as you can see the wall extends through the RF nook, which will lure more right fielders to the mets, because this current setup will be something some players will use to change their mind. Second, either the Mets can move to this area or stay where they're at now.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5576/newbp.jpg
I know the picture is huge, but it's like that so you can see the area. The Modell's ad would also be removed and have a new board put in, it can be a 'K' board, like at Shea, or it ca display game info, like in St. Louis.

[Mary Ellen]

She didn't renew her plan....

That was very funny:laugh

[nymdan]

My idea is highly unlikely, but I would be happy for it to happen.
They're not going to spend money changing the bullpens and then end up losing money by covering up the view of the field from the Mo's Zone. I can see them getting rid of the nook eventually, but the party area there isn't going anywhere.

[tomzpc]

My idea is highly unlikely, but I would be happy for it to happen. First bridge the gap where the Modells corner is by putting a wall in front of it. The Visitor bullpen can go in the area where the old warning track/RF was. Then after the visitor's bullpen leaves, enable fans to walk up to the Mets bullpen and watch from the area the Visitor's was. Then the fans in the Modell's area would be able to watch the visitors warming up. It fixes that silly, and somewhat stupid RF corner, which is a very pathetic attempt to make a feature that really doesn't belong.

I will attempt, keyword is attempt a Photoshop job to somewhat get my point across, but I think you get an idea from the description.
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Never happen. Nice effort though. :)

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

My idea is highly unlikely, but I would be happy for it to happen. First bridge the gap where the Modells corner is by putting a wall in front of it. The Visitor bullpen can go in the area where the old warning track/RF was. Then after the visitor's bullpen leaves, enable fans to walk up to the Mets bullpen and watch from the area the Visitor's was. Then the fans in the Modell's area would be able to watch the visitors warming up. It fixes that silly, and somewhat stupid RF corner, which is a very pathetic attempt to make a feature that really doesn't belong.

I will attempt, keyword is attempt a Photoshop job to somewhat get my point across, but I think you get an idea from the description.

Edit.. Ok this is what I meant, as you can see the wall extends through the RF nook, which will lure more right fielders to the mets, because this current setup will be something some players will use to change their mind. Second, either the Mets can move to this area or stay where they're at now.
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5576/newbp.jpg
I know the picture is huge, but it's like that so you can see the area. The Modell's ad would also be removed and have a new board put in, it can be a 'K' board, like at Shea, or it ca display game info, like in St. Louis.

That adjustment might bring us back to Shea - a little! ;)

[Gary Dunaier]

The biggest change I can think of right now is that I'd like to see an escalator added in the left field stands to make it easier to go from the "Taste Of The City" area to the Promenade seats. Right now the escalator out there only goes to the Excelsior level, and to get from Excelsior to Promenade you have to either walk or wait for an elevator.

Either add an escalator or create some kind of passageway through or behind the Acela Club to the existing escalator in the left field corner.

[Dishy24]

mmmmmm.... about 13 hours 'till a Double Shack!!!

[nymdan]

mmmmmm.... about 13 hours 'till a Double Shack!!!
You'll probably have the entire stadium to yourself tomorrow.

[BMF]

These are all interesting. I'd go with the mo/zone nook eliminated and turned into the visitors bullpen

[RayNY]

Another idea, one that wouldn't impede the MoZone area, would be to have the bullpens vertical instead of horizontal.

For instance, if you're looking at the bullpen area from 2nd base, instead of the bullpens going east to west, they are going north to south, with both of them having an equal view of the field and equal lighting (that is the reason for the hideous tarps covering the home bullpen), and both still next to each other. I think there is enough space underneath the bridge in that area to accommodate that.

You guys know what I mean?

[BuddyJas]

Another idea, one that wouldn't impede the MoZone area, would be to have the bullpens vertical instead of horizontal.

For instance, if you're looking at the bullpen area from 2nd base, instead of the bullpens going east to west, they are going north to south, with both of them having an equal view of the field and equal lighting (that is the reason for the hideous tarps covering the home bullpen), and both still next to each other. I think there is enough space underneath the bridge in that area to accommodate that.

You guys know what I mean?

As long as we can see who is warming up, that's fine by me. I thought the tarps were there for discouraging fans from talking to the players.

[GordonGecko]

Sir, can you spare a quarter?

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/mets922.jpg

[fwb]

Went to the last game of my Sunday plan today. Been to the park plenty. Always looking for something new. I see they have completed a room down the right field line - blue brick and glass. Not sure what it is, paper on windows. I believe it's next to the shop that sells 'old style' shirts, caps etc, forgot name (old 47?). Not sure what it will be, not that big. Of course, there is still those two huge areas that are not developed along 126th street as well. I did notice one new addition though - the light poles outside the rotunda, leading to the subway stairs - has met player pennants on them, like the building itself. Saw Tim Tuefel, Sid Fernandez, Yogi etc. Nice touch to match the other pennants. Sure they will always add more.

[JP1968]

Went to the last game of my Sunday plan today. Been to the park plenty. Always looking for something new. I see they have completed a room down the right field line - blue brick and glass. Not sure what it is, paper on windows. I believe it's next to the shop that sells 'old style' shirts, caps etc, forgot name (old 47?). Not sure what it will be, not that big. Of course, there is still those two huge areas that are not developed along 126th street as well. I did notice one new addition though - the light poles outside the rotunda, leading to the subway stairs - has met player pennants on them, like the building itself. Saw Tim Tuefel, Sid Fernandez, Yogi etc. Nice touch to match the other pennants. Sure they will always add more.
I also noticed the divisional and wild card standings posted in that "extra space" on the out-of-town scoreboard (to the left of the scores). This feature has been on/off for the last few games I've been at; but I don't recall seeing a post here (my apologies if it was already stated).

[mets16]

I also noticed the divisional and wild card standings posted in that "extra space" on the out-of-town scoreboard (to the left of the scores). This feature has been on/off for the last few games I've been at; but I don't recall seeing a post here (my apologies if it was already stated).

It was first a blank space, then it was an MLB Network ad, then a display was added to it.

[tugger]

Sir, can you spare a quarter?

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/mets922.jpg

Well, those deals you usually have to buy in pairs, and 50 cents will almost get you a cup of vending machine coffee.

[GordonGecko]

If any of you guys want to see the Rangers play the Red Wings tonight, my seats are available. They made me pay full price ($62 each) but I'm letting them go for $20 each

[Petemc1969]

Does anyone have photos of the interior of the Ebbets Club Lounge area?

[RayNY]

I thought the tarps were there for discouraging fans from talking to the players.

That's what I thought too at first, but then I noticed that no other ballpark has tarp over their bullpens even though their bullpens are just as close to the fans as the one at Citi Field.

I think part of the formal complaint that Heath Bell and the Padres issued was the fact that the visitors bullpen is basically in a dark cave underneath the bridge with poor lighting while the Mets bullpen is out in the open and has good natural lighting. I think the rule is that the condition of both bullpens must be equal. And that's why the god awful circus tent is covering the Mets bullpen.

[nymdan]

Does anyone have photos of the interior of the Ebbets Club Lounge area?
Here's a poor quality phone pic I took, but it should give you the idea. It's as small as it looks.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/205/20090802003.jpg

[yankies4life]

Does anyone have photos of the interior of the Ebbets Club Lounge area?

i took these during the St. Johns game so Im not sure if anything has changed since

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0207.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0208.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0213.jpg

[mandrake]

i took these during the St. Johns game so Im not sure if anything has changed since

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0207.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0208.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/dadbuyaeboy/citi%20field/DSC_0213.jpg

Isn't this the Caesar's club, not the Ebbets Club ?

[RayNY]

Isn't this the Caesar's club, not the Ebbets Club ?

Yep, that's Caesar's Club.

[Dishy24]

The Yankees have released info on their postseason ticket policy for partial plan ticketholders:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/ticketing/postseason_preonsale_letter.jsp

I was selected to buy Yankee Playoff tickets during the 1st sale on Wednesday 9/23... 2 tickets for either the ALDC or ALCS... what do you guys think I should go for? While the ALCS will bring in more money... the ALDS is a "sure thing"... hmmmm....

[yankies4life]

Isn't this the Caesar's club, not the Ebbets Club ?

oh whoops, shows im a yankee fan. i thought that it was the ebbets club, sorry

[GordonGecko]

I was selected to buy Yankee Playoff tickets during the 1st sale on Wednesday 9/23... 2 tickets for either the ALDC or ALCS... what do you guys think I should go for? While the ALCS will bring in more money... the ALDS is a "sure thing"... hmmmm....
Wow congrats, you only had 4 beans in the pot. A guy with seniority from 1986 and 4 seats would have had 96 beans in the pot. You've got the magic touch ;)

FYI you don't have to choose between ALCS and ALDS, you get to pick one game from each. 2 tickets + 2 tickets

[mandrake]

I was selected to buy Yankee Playoff tickets during the 1st sale on Wednesday 9/23... 2 tickets for either the ALDC or ALCS... what do you guys think I should go for? While the ALCS will bring in more money... the ALDS is a "sure thing"... hmmmm....

The Yankees should roll over Detroit; those second round tickets vs the Red Sox- Angels winner would be worth gold.

Wow. Congrats !!!! It could not have happened to a bigger Yankee fan!!!!:dance

[Dishy24]

Wow congrats, you only had 4 beans in the pot. A guy with seniority from 1986 and 4 seats would have had 96 beans in the pot. You've got the magic touch ;)

FYI you don't have to choose between ALCS and ALDS, you get to pick one game from each. 2 tickets + 2 tickets

Actually, according to my letter-- My seniority date is 2007 (I had partial plans since then!)

[Dishy24]

FYI you don't have to choose between ALCS and ALDS, you get to pick one game from each. 2 tickets + 2 tickets

OMG! Thank God you told me that... I just re-read the email and it does say or/and... 2 tickets to 1 game in BOTH rounds! Wahoo! I am calling these tickets my "cruise $" as I just booked a 14 night Transatlantic Cruise to Europe on the Disney Cruise Line! I'm sure some Yankee fan will be more than happy to help me pay for it!!!! :dance

[SparkyL]

That's what I thought too at first, but then I noticed that no other ballpark has tarp over their bullpens even though their bullpens are just as close to the fans as the one at Citi Field.

I think part of the formal complaint that Heath Bell and the Padres issued was the fact that the visitors bullpen is basically in a dark cave underneath the bridge with poor lighting while the Mets bullpen is out in the open and has good natural lighting. I think the rule is that the condition of both bullpens must be equal. And that's why the god awful circus tent is covering the Mets bullpen.

Assuming you are right - HOK and the Mets didn't know this ahead of time????

Then add a platform over the Mets bullpen and turn it into a party deck.

[Gary Dunaier]

Aerial view from a plane...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2614/3938972706_6df08cf2b1_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user M + A on 9/20/09; described as having been taken September 19, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/khim/3938972706/).)


A view from within the Iron Triangle...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2426/3934693885_598f30c521_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user kowarski on 9/19/09; described as having been taken September 19, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kowarski/3934693885/).)


A pair of photos showing that the two ads surrounding the mini-scoreboard overlooking "Taste Of The City" have changed... unfortunately, this means the video game ad with Shea Stadium in the background is gone...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/3913863134_1a33d6f937_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user mbell1975 on 9/12/09; described as having been taken September 5, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbell1975/3913863134/).)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3934588646_134b660e68_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user DBS3$ on 9/19/09; described as having been taken September 18, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/braxtonsplaun/3934588646/).)


Pre-game view with the groundskeeper's window in left center exposed (note the piece of the Puerto Rico ad sitting on the field)...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2572/3922740212_424fb0756c_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user Nicholas Rinaldi on 9/15/09; described as having been taken June 28, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicholasrinaldi/3922740212/).)


A couple of views of Citi Field as seen from the Arthur Ashe tennis stadium...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2616/3917867259_c18342e958_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user joshbg2k on 9/14/09; described as having been taken September 13, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/45006005@N00/3917867259/).)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2518/3927621836_edcb367b9a_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user admedina on 9/16/09; described as having been taken September 13, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/admedina/3927621836/).)


Finally, a look at the standings board next to the out-of-town scoreboard...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3933335364_6ecb2dd06f_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user metsgrrl.com on 9/18/09; described as having been taken September 18, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (metsgrrl.com).)

[mandrake]

Wow congrats, you only had 4 beans in the pot. A guy with seniority from 1986 and 4 seats would have had 96 beans in the pot. You've got the magic touch ;)

FYI you don't have to choose between ALCS and ALDS, you get to pick one game from each. 2 tickets + 2 tickets

Gordon
Sine you are our resident expert on tickets, especially post season tickets, what do you think of the Angels ticket policy of putting up a $500 deposit for each seat for 2010 and you get 2009 post season tickets ? (the fine print says you are not guaranteed 2010 All Star tickets).


Place a deposit for 2010 Season Seats to secure a 2009 Postseason option

Be a part of the 2009 Angels' Postseason action and then come back for all the excitement of the 2010 season!* $500 per seat deposits are non-refundable and must be applied toward a 2010 Season Seat or mini-plan package.

At a minimum, one would get the Red Sox, then if they advance the Yankees, and then possibly a team like the Dodgers in the WS (that would be some trifecta!)



http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana/ticketing/postseason_2009.jsp

[BMF]

Aerial view from a plane...


Finally, a look at the standings board next to the out-of-town scoreboard...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3933335364_6ecb2dd06f_b.jpg
(Uploaded to Flickr.com by user metsgrrl.com on 9/18/09; described as having been taken September 18, 2009. Link to original Flickr.com upload: here (metsgrrl.com).)

havnt been in a while. when did that standings board go up?

[Gary Dunaier]

Found this in yesterday's Mets Game Notes (the information given to the media prior to the game)...


METS MERCHANDISE DISCOUNT: Tonight all fans in attendance will receive a 30% discount off Mets merchandise at Citi Field…The discount is available at all Citi Field retail stores and shops and will be honored on all merchandise excluding sale items, publications and vended souvenirs.

The Mets Game Notes for tonight's game haven't been released yet (that's why I was looking at yesterday's notes)... wonder if the discount will continue throughout the rest of the season, or if it was just a one-night-only deal... interesting that it basically negates the 10% discount (on purchases over $100) offered to Club Mets members, since this is 30% off for all, no minimum purchase required.

I'm going to tonight's game, so that's why I'm hoping the discount continues... it would suck if the only benefit I got from tonight was the tiny "Los" added to the uniforms (it's Hispanic Heritage Night) that I can't even see from all the way up in the Promenade level...

[Shea1012]

OMG! Thank God you told me that... I just re-read the email and it does say or/and... 2 tickets to 1 game in BOTH rounds! Wahoo! I am calling these tickets my "cruise $" as I just booked a 14 night Transatlantic Cruise to Europe on the Disney Cruise Line! I'm sure some Yankee fan will be more than happy to help me pay for it!!!! :dance

If you can buy tickets to two games of the ALCS, I would do that.

[GordonGecko]

Gordon
Sine you are our resident expert on tickets, especially post season tickets, what do you think of the Angels ticket policy of putting up a $500 deposit for each seat for 2010 and you get 2009 post season tickets ? (the fine print says you are not guaranteed 2010 All Star tickets).
The Cardinals have the same offer. The problem is you only get 2 tickets to one game in each round. If you want to walk away from your $500 deposit I don't see how you'll be able to come out on top, not to mention you'll have to sell your world series tickets and won't be able to go to the game which presumably defeats the purpose of getting the seats. Your alternative would be to actually buy the 2010 season tickets, but then you're on the hook for selling 81 games remotely on stubhub, ebay, etc....

The angels is an interesting case, because you *might* have a shot at all-star game tickets. If you get ASG seats for resale intent, the problem is they make you buy a full strip plus the fanfest. You'll lose 50%+ on the fanfest, and maybe 25% on all-star sunday, probably break even or make a bit on the derby, and then probably make a couple hundred on the game itself. If you intend to go down to LA to watch the game, it might be worth it to give it a shot.

[SteveJRogers]

havnt been in a while. when did that standings board go up?

It was up the homstand prior, but had some bugs in it, this is the first time its been operational.

[peterrod16]

I just got some information from a contact in the mets office.
He is wondering if a small group of 25 people who like to sit in the pepsi porch.
the game would be for Friday night October 2nd against the Astros.
The price is $32.
I asked him if we could recieve something for showing up
"I will definitely provide everyone with some pens at least and whatever else I can come up with"

nothing is permanent but he needs a responds by this friday
If you would like to go send me a PM.

Also, im planning to do another BBF get together in 2010 either in the party suite, bridge terrace or mo zone.
I will get pricing information no later than january 2010.

[Retire #31]

I asked him if we could recieve something for showing up
"I will definitely provide everyone with some pens at least and whatever else I can come up with"


A Pen ?


Who is this guy Lloyd Dobler ??

[GordonGecko]

I asked him if we could recieve something for showing up
"I will definitely provide everyone with some pens at least and whatever else I can come up with"


A Pen ?


Who is this guy Lloyd Dobler ??
Maybe he thinks if you sell it for a quarter you can then buy a mets ticket on stubhub

[Gary Dunaier]

Retire #31, the pens may be "schedule" pens, which have a Mets schedule rolled up inside that you can pull out. Last year they sold them in the Team Store, and maybe they've got 'em for sale again this year - I haven't seen them - but they did give them out during the Citi Field season ticket tours before the season started.

peterrod16, I'm already got tickets for the 4th but this Friday thing sounds interesting so you can pencil me in and we'll see what happens.

[ribant]

Retire #31, the pens may be "schedule" pens, which have a Mets schedule rolled up inside that you can pull out. Last year they sold them in the Team Store, and maybe they've got 'em for sale again this year - I haven't seen them - but they did give them out during the Citi Field season ticket tours before the season started.

peterrod16, I'm already got tickets for the 4th but this Friday thing sounds interesting so you can pencil me in and we'll see what happens.

They give out those pens whenever a pot sweetener is needed.

My son got one when his LL had thier outing to Citi. They had extras around so my daughter and I got one as well.

When my daughter got her second stamp on her Fan Club card she got another one. They offered one to my son for his third stamp, but he held out for a pennant instead.

And they all broke after a few uses.

[GordonGecko]

And they all broke after a few uses.
Maybe they had the same doctors/training-staff as the players :rofl:

[ribant]

I just got some information from a contact in the mets office.
He is wondering if a small group of 25 people who like to sit in the pepsi porch.
the game would be for Friday night October 2nd against the Astros.
The price is $32.
I asked him if we could recieve something for showing up
"I will definitely provide everyone with some pens at least and whatever else I can come up with"

nothing is permanent but he needs a responds by this friday
If you would like to go send me a PM.

Also, im planning to do another BBF get together in 2010 either in the party suite, bridge terrace or mo zone.
I will get pricing information no later than january 2010.

I would love to do the Mo' Zone or a party suite

[Anubis2051]

It was up the homstand prior, but had some bugs in it, this is the first time its been operational.

Picture is unavailable, does anyone have another shot of it?

[Ralf]

Sold my last available game today.

In all, I sold 60 games at total loss of $358. I was well on my way to a profit until September hit and the market just completely tanked.

On edit: the loss does not include the 21 games I used - only the sold games.

[srm627]

Does anyone know anybody that is looking to get rid of Giants tickets for the October 11th game against Oakland?

PM me thanks

Need 4

[peterrod16]

Retire #31, the pens may be "schedule" pens, which have a Mets schedule rolled up inside that you can pull out. Last year they sold them in the Team Store, and maybe they've got 'em for sale again this year - I haven't seen them - but they did give them out during the Citi Field season ticket tours before the season started.

peterrod16, I'm already got tickets for the 4th but this Friday thing sounds interesting so you can pencil me in and we'll see what happens.

your on the list gary.
23 members to go for a group outing on oct 2nd at the pepsi porch.

Ribant, i am 50/50 about the mo zone since your looking through a fence but it all depends on price and what the members want.
hopefully the party suite price can drop to $75 per person for 2010

[Shea1012]

your on the list gary.
23 members to go for a group outing on oct 2nd at the pepsi porch.



You guys are nuts. You can buy tickets for $1.00 and go hang out and probably even sit in the damn porch seats on what could be a 45 degree night! Buy your own pens.

[Gary Dunaier]

Ribant, i am 50/50 about the mo zone since your looking through a fence but it all depends on price and what the members want.

The only drawback about the "Modell's Clubhouse" - I think the "Mo's Zone" is actually the Right Field Reserved seating area above the Clubhouse (I myself have used "Clubhouse" and "Zone" interchangably in the past, but whichever is correct, there is an important distinction) - is that you have to stay in that area during the entire game - you don't have access to the rest of the ballpark. Don't know why they have it that way, or what purpose it serves or is supposed to serve...

[mandrake]

your on the list gary.
23 members to go for a group outing on oct 2nd at the pepsi porch.

Ribant, i am 50/50 about the mo zone since your looking through a fence but it all depends on price and what the members want.
hopefully the party suite price can drop to $75 per person for 2010

Looking back at the different seats from 2009, I was fortunate to visit the Delta Club, Delta Lounge, Ebbets Club, Caesar's Club, Acela Club, and Promenade Club. Also had four different games where I sat in the first row, field level, different sections. I did not make it to a suite, but I really don't have too much interest in attending a suite night especially if I took one or more of my kids.

But the Bridge Terrace seats were my best 'surprise' seats, meaning that I was very pleasantly surprised by the quality of the seat/views and especially since they were sold on stubhub by the mystery owner for $27 for a $54 gold game; and did not require any purchase of Mets money as someone else said they had to buy.

I would definitely consider going to an event out there, but I think they have 72 seats or so. I don't know if they normally sell them to smaller groups.

[peterrod16]

You guys are nuts. You can buy tickets for $1.00 and go hang out and probably even sit in the damn porch seats on what could be a 45 degree night! Buy your own pens.

please calm down
i said if there isnt 25 people interested its a no go
I told the person from the mets i will try but told him about the cheap ticket prices on stubhub
now back to pricing

[nymdan]

I'd go and meet up with people that day, but I'm not going to spend $32 for porch tickets.

[mandrake]

I'd go and meet up with people that day, but I'm not going to spend $32 for porch tickets.

Wow, there are Pepsi porch seats for $9 tonite and $39 for Delta Club seats !!! I am sure there will be discounts at least as large on stubhub for next week too.

[GordonGecko]

Wow, there are Pepsi porch seats for $9 tonite and $39 for Delta Club seats !!! I am sure there will be discounts at least as large on stubhub for next week too.

No baseball next week. After tomorrow's game all that's left is the weekend Astros series, and I doubt prices will go lower than the Braves series. I haven't sold any of those games, some dilweed never showed up for the Friday game and stopped answering emails. Don't you just love when that happens

If anyone's interested, I have the Friday game available for $10 for the pair (face is $30) and the Saturday or Sunday pair for $15 (face is $38)

[Mister B.]

Ah, the "joys" of meaningless games in September.

Speaking of meaningless games: Who's up for the November 4 football game at Citi? New York Sentinels vs. Las Vegas Locomotives!

The Bronx may well be hosting game 6 of the WS that night, but the real action will clearly be at Citi.

:hp

[WASLOGE8]

Did anyone start a thread/list of seats/sections/rows that are obstructed in the promenade? I know alot of row 1/2 are obstruced due to the wrap-around scoreboard but I thought that was going to be fixed mid-season.

The reason I ask is in case the Mets open up lower rows for partial plans next year. I don't want to agree to an upgrade and then find out the seats I upgraded to are obstructed. I know there are some quirks in the seating where there are annoyances/obstructions where you would not think there should be. For example, my Sunday plan was 513 Row 13 seats 3-4 and right in front of me was a bar like the mets had at shea in the loge/mezz boxes; not a true obstruction, but you needed to look under or over the bar.

I might be going to tomorrows game (my 6 sat plan seats that I sold to my bil and he asked me if I wanted to go) if I can get out of work early but it's the end of our fy so we are a little crazy at work right now. If I go, I was going to move around to see what is and isn't obstructed (at least in the pri because I cannot see taking a plan in prom res outfield, except for maybe section 504 or 524

[mandrake]

Ah, the "joys" of meaningless games in September.

Speaking of meaningless games: Who's up for the November 4 football game at Citi? New York Sentinels vs. Las Vegas Locomotives!

The Bronx may well be hosting game 6 of the WS that night, but the real action will clearly be at Citi.

:hp

Yep, back to meaningless games in September. What a concept !:shrug:

Last year, after another Mets collapse, there wasn't so much pressure on the Wilpons because the Yankees finally missed the post season. So, I am glad the Yanks are there, (even though I am rooting for Anaheim to win it all) because Yankees success may put pressure on the Wilpons to reduce prices. Why pay sky high prices in the business seats for a 90 loss team when you could get the Yankees at the same cost?

I don't think I will be at CF watching that new league. I wonder if it will make it through one season.

BTW, did anyone stay up and watch the Yanks last night, especially in the bottom of the 8th? Absolutely LOVED Mike Scioscia sending in a pinch runner last night when the Angels' Rivera decided to pose for a HR that ended up a double. Winning 5-2, Mike was still boiling over. The sign of a winner!
( a little Hodges/Cleon there):applaud:

Jerry would have sat there oblivious to what was going on, and during the recap he would have given us his old and tired homespun humor about it.

[AJbaseball00024]

I have a quick Citi Field question:

I want to visit the Mets team store at the stadium (I did not during my Citi visit). Do they sell Mets Flags, Pennants and banners there? Thanks!

[mets16]

I have a quick Citi Field question:

I want to visit the Mets team store at the stadium (I did not during my Citi visit). Do they sell Mets Flags, Pennants and banners there? Thanks!

Yes, they sell about everything they can fit a Mets logo on it. I know the card store in the park sells some nice retro-ish pennants. I have seen car flags, and flags to hang outside a house. Not quite up my alley per se, but they sure are there. I'm not sure about the banner thing, but I'm pretty sure I have seen a banner with a 1969 and 1986 on it.

I'm sure Gary has some pictures of it, I would, but I don't waste time getting out of the park after the game.

[Gary Dunaier]

A few observations from yesterday:

The standings board next to the out-of-town scoreboard was fully operational last night. It rotated between NL East, NL Central, NL West, and NL Wild Card then doing the same for the American League. The Wild Card standings is a nice touch, but it appeared to me that the letters and numbers were too small to really do anyone any good. I looked at it from the last row of the Promenade level, directly across the stadium, where I was on eye level with it and even there it was tough to read.

Elevators now have Mets logos on the doors. Some have the round Mets skyline logo, some have the interlocking NY.

"Meet Mr. Met" area in the Fan Fest - there was a sign saying he would be there at 5.20pm and 6.20pm. In the past the sign didn't specify times, but from my limited experience it seemed that he made an appearance early on in the game, I think it was the bottom of the 1st inning or so. I've got to tell you this - Mr. Met walked to the area really fast, almost sprinting to the meet-and-greet platform on the other side of the wiffle ball field. Whoever the guy is in the costume is, he must have been portraying Mr. Met for a while because I wouldn't think he could move so fast in that suit.

Yes, I got my picture taken with him... again... :highfive:

[SteveJRogers]

BTW, update on the empty space next to the 47 store on the Field level, not going to go all the way back to find a picture of it, but there was speculation about it since it was noticed during the summer.

It is to be some sort of pre-natal care facility for expectant mothers who are at the game. It is to be provided by Long Island Jewish Hospital.

[JohnCropp]

It is to be some sort of pre-natal care facility for expectant mothers who are at the game. It is to be provided by Long Island Jewish Hospital.

That is a demographic that is under-appreciated by most MLB teams.

With all that our local rivals have loaded into their stadium, to my knowledge, there is not a pre-natal care facility in their park...

I guess they spent so much time worrying about HOW TO CELEBRATE THE HOME TEAM'S HISTORY that they forgot about the FETUSES.

[RayNY]

BTW, update on the empty space next to the 47 store on the Field level, not going to go all the way back to find a picture of it, but there was speculation about it since it was noticed during the summer.

It is to be some sort of pre-natal care facility for expectant mothers who are at the game. It is to be provided by Long Island Jewish Hospital.

Is this normal? It just seems a little ridiculous to me. But doesn't seem to surprise me at the same time either.

[mets16]

Is this normal? It just seems a little ridiculous to me. But doesn't seem to surprise me at the same time either.

The Verizon FiOS thing is very dumb too. I snuck in to get a peek and there were people sitting watching the game on T.V. Why would you come to a baseball game to sit on a couch and watch a game? And I guess the Mets saw plenty of complaints from expectant mothers who came to Citi Field, and left without a few pointers on breastfeeding.

[Gary Dunaier]

The Verizon FiOS thing is very dumb too.

Do they expect me to believe the Verizon FIOS guy and the cable guy...

a) live in the same building?
b) always wear their uniforms, even when they're off duty?

Hoo boy. :banghead:

http://8bitcollective.com/items/images/pete_talks_to_low-gain.jpg

[nymdan]

b) always wear their uniforms, even when they're off duty?
The Toyota dealer who sells to Mark Sanchez and Eli Manning does...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK-wB4NwT-g

[BMF]

The Verizon FiOS thing is very dumb too. I snuck in to get a peek and there were people sitting watching the game on T.V. Why would you come to a baseball game to sit on a couch and watch a game? And I guess the Mets saw plenty of complaints from expectant mothers who came to Citi Field, and left without a few pointers on breastfeeding.

That's just awful I can't condone that.....











No I'm kidding that's hilarious

[mandrake]

Promenade Reserved 525 row 10 2tickets $0.02 each

A new low. Why would anyone even bother listing tickets for TWO CENTS.

and the deadline just closed with two cents tickets not sold.

Unreal.:hp


Hey but if you missed out, section 524 starts out for next Friday at 98 cents.
I see somebody has suite tickets for $89....I presume you don't get any goodies at that price????:noidea

The poor folks in the Caesar's level must really be getting hammered; The last game has tickets on that level already down to $21. I wonder where the bottom is?:noidea

How does the Mets ticket office prepare for 2010?????:noidea

[yankies4life]

im a yankee fan and well aware that the security at yankee stadium is crazy, but i was at the mets game last night and as soon as i stepped off the elevator to go to my seats in the excelsior level, a guard/usher/whatever bombarded me asking to see my ticket, along with everyone else who stepped off. fine, he saw it. as i get to my section, that guard wanted to see my ticket. then i went to visit a friend of mine in the pepsi porch and even there, i could not get into those seats without a ticket. i find it amazing how poorly the mets are and how empty that stadium was that the guards are still so strict. they should be happy fans are showing up, let alone sitting in their correct seats.

[tomzpc]

Promenade Reserved 525 row 10 2tickets $0.02 each

A new low. Why would anyone even bother listing tickets for TWO CENTS.

and the deadline just closed with two cents tickets not sold.

Unreal.:hp


Hey but if you missed out, section 524 starts out for next Friday at 98 cents.
I see somebody has suite tickets for $89....I presume you don't get any goodies at that price????:noidea

The poor folks in the Caesar's level must really be getting hammered; The last game has tickets on that level already down to $21. I wonder where the bottom is?:noidea

How does the Mets ticket office prepare for 2010?????:noidea

Unreal. I'm very fortunate that I sold a lot of tickets early considering I have only been to 8 games myself this year. I managed to top the break even point overall.

[mandrake]

Unreal. I'm very fortunate that I sold a lot of tickets early considering I have only been to 8 games myself this year. I managed to top the break even point overall.

Good deal Tom !

I guess people who sold early may have been the people who made out the best. Once the Mets started selling June 1- Oct tickets, and the Mets injuries started piling up, then the secondary market took on water.

[Dishy24]

Good deal Tom !

I guess people who sold early may have been the people who made out the best. Once the Mets started selling June 1- Oct tickets, and the Mets injuries started piling up, then the secondary market took on water.

I sold every single ticket I had in 519 early on along with my 4 seats in 511 (Sunday plan) and 2 seats in 434 (Saturday Plan). I re-bought all of my games for myself & my family in 416. Overall, I ended up well over $2,000 profit for this joke of a season!

[Dishy24]

im a yankee fan and well aware that the security at yankee stadium is crazy, but i was at the mets game last night and as soon as i stepped off the elevator to go to my seats in the excelsior level, a guard/usher/whatever bombarded me asking to see my ticket, along with everyone else who stepped off. fine, he saw it. as i get to my section, that guard wanted to see my ticket. then i went to visit a friend of mine in the pepsi porch and even there, i could not get into those seats without a ticket. i find it amazing how poorly the mets are and how empty that stadium was that the guards are still so strict. they should be happy fans are showing up, let alone sitting in their correct seats.

Then there is my kid who gets all 6 of us into the Delta Club every Sunday because he "knows the ladies"... guess it pays to be an adorable 9 year old! :shhh:

[ribant]

[QUOTE=mandrake;1616360]Promenade Reserved 525 row 10 2tickets $0.02 each

A new low. Why would anyone even bother listing tickets for TWO CENTS.

and the deadline just closed with two cents tickets not sold.

Unreal.:hp


Hey but if you missed out, section 524 starts out for next Friday at 98 cents.
I see somebody has suite tickets for $89....I presume you don't get any goodies at that price????:noidea

The poor folks in the Caesar's level must really be getting hammered; The last game has tickets on that level already down to $21. I wonder where the bottom is?:noidea

How does the Mets ticket office prepare for 2010?????:noidea[/QUOTE

Last Friday I picked up two 307/1 for $5 each two minutes before the game went off sale

[BMF]

Then there is my kid who gets all 6 of us into the Delta Club every Sunday because he "knows the ladies"... guess it pays to be an adorable 9 year old! :shhh:

hes cool with me

[JP1968]

I was selected to buy Yankee Playoff tickets during the 1st sale on Wednesday 9/23... 2 tickets for either the ALDC or ALCS... what do you guys think I should go for? While the ALCS will bring in more money... the ALDS is a "sure thing"... hmmmm....
Dishy - were you able to get Yankees postseason tickets today? If so, which games and what section(s) are your seats in?

[cgcoyne2]

Hey real quick. I went to Citifield and loved it. It's very nice. I walked around and got tons of photos. I was stopped at the "gateway" to the 300 level though. My question is this. Can you go to the Pepsi Porch without tickets for the Pepsi Porch? Thanks guys.

[Gary Dunaier]

Hey real quick. I went to Citifield and loved it. It's very nice. I walked around and got tons of photos. I was stopped at the "gateway" to the 300 level though. My question is this. Can you go to the Pepsi Porch without tickets for the Pepsi Porch? Thanks guys.

Yes, you can.

[Gary Dunaier]

Tuesday night was Hispanic Heritage night, so fans arriving at the Jackie Robinson Rotunda were serenaded by a Mariachi band...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2586/3949505668_f31107a60f_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949505668/in/set-72157622318318725).)


The "Teammates" ads in left and right field were replaced by "Victorinox Swiss Army" ads...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2483/3948728943_b484deec00_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948728943/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Unusual angle of the action in the "Mr. Met's Kiddie Field" wiffle ball field, looking from behind the right field fence with the Flushing skyline in the background...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3427/3949509730_041d66fff0_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949509730/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Mr. Met signs a baseball for a young fan. In case you've ever wondered what his autograph looks like, you can see it on the ball in this shot...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/3948739627_0e813b087b_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948739627/in/set-72157622318318725).)


The National League East standings as displayed next to the out-of-town scoreboard...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2573/3948742263_960008e6cd_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948742263/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Obstructed view from Promenade Reserved Infield 509, row 5, seat 3 - this was a "Bronze" game, so the ticket price was "only" $20...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/3948743261_64136d79f2_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948743261/in/set-72157622318318725).)


They've put Mets logos on the elevators - some have the interlocking "NY," some have the round skyline as shown here (and I meant to get the shot this way, seconds before the doors closed)...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3469/3949524206_63a6b35638_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949524206/in/set-72157622318318725).)


New signs in the men's room... for the record, I was the only person in the men's room at the time the photo was taken...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/3949524612_54c366a4b5_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949524612/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Someone else posted a photo on Flickr of Mr. Met coming out of what I call his "apartment" at the end of the 5th inning (link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/metsgrrl/3890599535/)), and I liked it so much that not only did I make it a favorite, but I wanted to try and get my own shots. So here's my version of Mr. Met waiting for the bottom of the 5th to end so he and the "Pepsi Party Patrol" can shoot T-shirts to the crowd...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2472/3949528804_30c504928f_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949528804/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Finally, some fans showing their continued support for the team even at this point in the season...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2497/3948753191_7afe17a1e1_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948753191/in/set-72157622318318725).)


More photos, including additional obstructed views as well as some seldom seen post-game night exterior views from Roosevelt Avenue, can be found on Flickr at this link: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/sets/72157622318318725/).

[tomzpc]

As always Gary, great job! :clapping

[metfan61]

Did they finish lowering the led boards?

[Jim Vaz]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2497/3948753191_7afe17a1e1_b.jpg



LOL! Does that shirt he has on say "Sucker 09"??

[Dishy24]

Dishy - were you able to get Yankees postseason tickets today? If so, which games and what section(s) are your seats in?

I started with ALCS "best available" and picked up a pair in 120A!!! (Field, smack behind home plate!)

For the ALDS, I went with uppers (someone had already asked and gave me a price) so I got 417 (Grandstand Infield)... but the buyer backed out... now I wish I would have done "best available" for the ALDS as well... live and learn.

Oh, Home Game 1 for both.

[Gary Dunaier]

LOL! Does that shirt he has on say "Sucker 09"??

It's possible. If memory serves me right I caught a quick split-second glimpse of someone wearing a shirt with that particular name and number combination. It could very well have been the individual in the photograph.

[Jim Vaz]

You know I don't want to get off topic (even though I am :)), but just seeing how empty now the park is in these final few weeks of this disasterous season that is now so very irrelevent, you just wonder, question, and want to bang your head trying to figure out what the hell the Wilpons and the Mets hierarchy is truly thinking.

How in the world can they decide to stay the course, and keep the same manager and the same GM? How could you not clean house? it doesn't take a genius to figure out the Mets problems this year were induced by injuries, but that is only a percentage of the problem. Even so, you need a change just for a sake of change, to shake it up, make it new. Even if next years result is even worse, you have to make a change. Jerry Manuel was here as the bench coach in 07, manager in 08, and the manager under this nightmare season. We need him for a 4th season now? :banghead::banghead:

Sorry I'm just so frustrated and as a fan I feel so helpless. When does it end? When does this nightmare go away? :hp:shrug:

[tfc3rid]

You know I don't want to get off topic (even though I am :)), but just seeing how empty now the park is in these final few weeks of this disasterous season that is now so very irrelevent, you just wonder, question, and want to bang your head trying to figure out what the hell the Wilpons and the Mets hierarchy is truly thinking.

How in the world can they decide to stay the course, and keep the same manager and the same GM? How could you not clean house? it doesn't take a genius to figure out the Mets problems this year were induced by injuries, but that is only a percentage of the problem. Even so, you need a change just for a sake of change, to shake it up, make it new. Even if next years result is even worse, you have to make a change. Jerry Manuel was here as the bench coach in 07, manager in 08, and the manager under this nightmare season. We need him for a 4th season now? :banghead::banghead:

Sorry I'm just so frustrated and as a fan I feel so helpless. When does it end? When does this nightmare go away? :hp:shrug:

They don't have enough money to spend on a new GM and manager when they are paying them anyway... Why pay 2 managers and GM's?

[JohnCropp]

You know I don't want to get off topic (even though I am :)), but just seeing how empty now the park is in these final few weeks of this disasterous season that is now so very irrelevent, you just wonder, question, and want to bang your head trying to figure out what the hell the Wilpons and the Mets hierarchy is truly thinking.

How in the world can they decide to stay the course, and keep the same manager and the same GM? How could you not clean house? it doesn't take a genius to figure out the Mets problems this year were induced by injuries, but that is only a percentage of the problem. Even so, you need a change just for a sake of change, to shake it up, make it new. Even if next years result is even worse, you have to make a change. Jerry Manuel was here as the bench coach in 07, manager in 08, and the manager under this nightmare season. We need him for a 4th season now? :banghead::banghead:

Sorry I'm just so frustrated and as a fan I feel so helpless. When does it end? When does this nightmare go away? :hp:shrug:

I think the idea is that the 2009 season was wrecked by injuries more than personnel or management decisions and so it's easier/fair/cheaper for all to just give Minaya and Manuel a shot at winning next season with a (hopefully) healthy team.

If the Mets don't win in 2010, they will be probably be gone regardless of why.

[tomkaz]

found this on metspolice.com
------------------------------------------------

Rumor: New York Mets Museum To Rotunda?
Shannon Shark, Mets Police Chief


Let me remind all that the Mets Police site is not news, it's just a
fun site where Mets fans can gather and exchange fan related ideas.
I'm thankful that readers feed me ideas and stories, but I remind you
I'm just a regular fan like you and not 60 Minutes. That being said...
I got an email from someone who has fed me stuff in the past that has
been accurate. He says he was in the Mets store in the rotunda and
heard discussions about half that space becoming the Mets museum. He
said he asked another employee from a different depatment and that
person confirmed it.

Is it true? I don't know but I hope it is.

My question to you is: what would you like to see in such a museum?

We'd all like "more Mets less Dodgers" so let's skip the cattiness and
try to come up with a list. Players, items etc.

I wonder if they could acquire the Buckner ball?

[cringey]

found this on metspolice.com
------------------------------------------------

Rumor: New York Mets Museum To Rotunda?
Shannon Shark, Mets Police Chief


Let me remind all that the Mets Police site is not news, it's just a
fun site where Mets fans can gather and exchange fan related ideas.
I'm thankful that readers feed me ideas and stories, but I remind you
I'm just a regular fan like you and not 60 Minutes. That being said...
I got an email from someone who has fed me stuff in the past that has
been accurate. He says he was in the Mets store in the rotunda and
heard discussions about half that space becoming the Mets museum. He
said he asked another employee from a different depatment and that
person confirmed it.

Is it true? I don't know but I hope it is.

My question to you is: what would you like to see in such a museum?

We'd all like "more Mets less Dodgers" so let's skip the cattiness and
try to come up with a list. Players, items etc.

I wonder if they could acquire the Buckner ball?

They already have sorta museum like pieces in there with the Last Season at Shea bases.

What ever happened to the MLB Player Shop that was supposed to be put in the rotunda?

I can't imagine them cutting out merch profits for the museum when theres that whole corner of unused space by the bullpen plaza. Appears to me right now there is less Merch space than at Shea and most other stadiums.

[tfc3rid]

They already have sorta museum like pieces in there with the Last Season at Shea bases.

What ever happened to the MLB Player Shop that was supposed to be put in the rotunda?

I can't imagine them cutting out merch profits for the museum when theres that whole corner of unused space by the bullpen plaza. Appears to me right now there is less Merch space than at Shea and most other stadiums.

The MLB player shop is in the Caesar's Club Level.

[cringey]

The MLB player shop is in the Caesar's Club Level.

Thank you tfc, was always wondering but never heard anything about it.

[SparkyL]

I started with ALCS "best available" and picked up a pair in 120A!!! (Field, smack behind home plate!)

For the ALDS, I went with uppers (someone had already asked and gave me a price) so I got 417 (Grandstand Infield)... but the buyer backed out... now I wish I would have done "best available" for the ALDS as well... live and learn.

Oh, Home Game 1 for both.

So you paid $356/ticket?? That's too rich for me and why "best available won't work :(

[mandrake]

I started with ALCS "best available" and picked up a pair in 120A!!! (Field, smack behind home plate!)

For the ALDS, I went with uppers (someone had already asked and gave me a price) so I got 417 (Grandstand Infield)... but the buyer backed out... now I wish I would have done "best available" for the ALDS as well... live and learn.

Oh, Home Game 1 for both.

Wow. 120A , I think, is where they upgraded my $15 stubhub specials back on May 7th (when everyone was bashing the Yanks and NYS!!!). We were in the DAP row.

You should make some $$$ with those ! The seats are great.

Any idea what the grandstand market is worth???

[RayNY]

Tuesday night was Hispanic Heritage night, so fans arriving at the Jackie Robinson Rotunda were serenaded by a Mariachi band...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2586/3949505668_f31107a60f_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949505668/in/set-72157622318318725).)


Wilpons throwing away money again. Don't they know that fans who take the 7 train can see this for free? :D

[GordonGecko]

Wow. 120A , I think, is where they upgraded my $15 stubhub specials back on May 7th (when everyone was bashing the Yanks and NYS!!!). We were in the DAP row.

You should make some $$$ with those ! The seats are great.

Any idea what the grandstand market is worth???

Actually I think 120A cost $400+, that's a tough resale to make but on stubhub the lowest price for similar seats is currently $750. I think the real market value is going to be around $500-550, a small % margin but good in terms of dollar amount if she can close it. Dishy is playing with the big boys ;)

Oh and also I got phillies post season tickets in the mail today. I'm actually pretty happy, the NLDS tickets suck (upperdeck outfield) but the NLCS are right behind the plate row 3, and for World Series I got row 1 in the cheapest price category ($125 each) down the line in the upper deck.

Also just got ticketmaster notification, Dodgers tickets are on their way too

[yankies4life]

Wilpons throwing away money again. Don't they know that fans who take the 7 train can see this for free? :D


hahahahahaha its soooooo true

[Mister B.]

Well, season ticket holders get to run the bases after the October 4 game.

The perks abound!!

I for one am overwhelmed by this opportunity. Floored, I tell you.

Imagine, if you will, thousands of (hundreds of? dozens of? both?) season ticketholders marching through the bullpen gate and down the warning track, then sprinting around the bases in a joyous celebration of the conclusion of the season that wasn't.



Me, I think I'll head for the 7 train and sigh a lot.

[tfc3rid]

Well, season ticket holders get to run the bases after the October 4 game.

The perks abound!!

I for one am overwhelmed by this opportunity. Floored, I tell you.

Imagine, if you will, thousands of (hundreds of? dozens of? both?) season ticketholders marching through the bullpen gate and down the warning track, then sprinting around the bases in a joyous celebration of the conclusion of the season that wasn't.



Me, I think I'll head for the 7 train and sigh a lot.

Running the bases will all be worth it my friend... Especially if on the way out they give 50% of your $$ back!

[tfc3rid]

Wilpons throwing away money again. Don't they know that fans who take the 7 train can see this for free? :D

Mariachi band? Met game? I'll bite my tongue...

[Kooos]

They don't have enough money to spend on a new GM and manager when they are paying them anyway... Why pay 2 managers and GM's?


The Wilpons are on the hook for about $5m to Omar and Jerry, iirc. I'd gladly trade $5m less in player salaries for smarter people running the show (even if it meant no big ticket acquisitions this winter).

Give me Bobby V, and I'd be happy with the exact same friggin team coming back next year.

[Dishy24]

Dear Mets Season Ticket Holder:

Thank you for your support as a Mets Season Ticket Holder during our inaugural season at Citi Field. The Mets will host an exclusive Mr. Met Dash for our most loyal fans, our Season Ticket Holders, following the final game Sunday afternoon, October 4th against the Houston Astros.

In order to run the bases at Citi Field, simply present this email and your game ticket stub* at the Bullpen Plaza entrance following the game.

Participants in the Mr. Met Dash should exit Citi Field at the conclusion of the game, and then lineup outside the Bullpen Plaza entrance on 126th Street (The line will continue towards Roosevelt Avenue).

You will follow Citi Field security staff instructions and enter the field through the Modell's Clubhouse entrance (adjacent to bullpen) and continue around the warning track towards home plate.

The final game of the 2009 season will also include special giveaways and recognition for our Season Ticket Holders.

[Dishy24]

Actually I think 120A cost $400+, that's a tough resale to make but on stubhub the lowest price for similar seats is currently $750. I think the real market value is going to be around $500-550, a small % margin but good in terms of dollar amount if she can close it. Dishy is playing with the big boys ;)

Oh and also I got phillies post season tickets in the mail today. I'm actually pretty happy, the NLDS tickets suck (upperdeck outfield) but the NLCS are right behind the plate row 3, and for World Series I got row 1 in the cheapest price category ($125 each) down the line in the upper deck.

Also just got ticketmaster notification, Dodgers tickets are on their way too

Actually Gordon-D-- ALCS Home Game 1 in 120A (and surrounding sections) are actually in the $1,500+ each price range on Stub Hub!

[Dishy24]

I was just selected for Cardinals NLDS/NLCS playoff tickets... any idea on the resale value on those? For the record, I was also selected for the Rockies (NLDS)... but I passed on those... I had a very hard time moving those for the World Series a few years back!

[RayNY]

I'd gladly trade $5m less in player salaries for smarter people running the show (even if it meant no big ticket acquisitions this winter).

Give me Bobby V, and I'd be happy with the exact same friggin team coming back next year.

"An army of asses lead by a lion is better than an army of lions lead by an ass." –George Washington

[GordonGecko]

Actually Gordon-D-- ALCS Home Game 1 in 120A (and surrounding sections) are actually in the $1,500+ each price range on Stub Hub!

Hey Dishy-T ;) Be careful to distinguish between pipe dreams and real market value. Couple things to consider, #1 - the regular presale hasn't happened yet. As soon as every partial and her mother gets to buy tomorrow at 10am, there's going to be tickets flooding onto stubhub. #2 - make sure to check actual sales instead of asking prices in the listings

The only actual sale in 121A was for 2 in row 23 that went for $490 each. If you look at all the field seats behind the plate, there was a second sale at $1588 each for 3 tickets. Just goes to show you that you can get lucky if the right trust fund baby shows up and sees your listing with daddy's credit card. The lowest price right now is a pair $749 each in 121A row 24
https://www.stubhub.com/new-york-yankees-playoff-tickets/yankees-vs-tbd-10-16-2009-857277/

[GordonGecko]

"An army of asses lead by a lion is better than an army of lions lead by an ass." –George Washington

Good ol' George, no wonder they put him on the first bill

[jfvmets]

Tuesday night was Hispanic Heritage night, so fans arriving at the Jackie Robinson Rotunda were serenaded by a Mariachi band...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2586/3949505668_f31107a60f_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3949505668/in/set-72157622318318725).)




We also have to teach the wilpons that Mariachi is mexican and Hispanic Heritage night is for all hispanic/latinos not for only mexicans (nothing againts mexicans) but Hispanic are plp from may countries that speak spanish, (Puerto Rico, dominican R, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, etc) and these contries don't listen or bearly listen to mariachi... (Wilpons' learn asome culture... Hispanic not= mexican )
I bet that Hispanic/latinos mest fans are most (Puerto Rican, dominican , Cuban, Venezuelian.. maybe some mexicans that like Perez...

[RayNY]

We also have to teach the wilpons that Mariachi is mexican and Hispanic Heritage night is for all hispanic/latinos not for only mexicans (nothing againts mexicans) but Hispanic are plp from may countries that speak spanish, (Puerto Rico, dominican R, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, etc) and these contries don't listen or bearly listen to mariachi... (Wilpons' learn asome culture... Hispanic not= mexican )
I bet that Hispanic/latinos mest fans are most (Puerto Rican, dominican , Cuban, Venezuelian.. maybe some mexicans that like Perez...

Good point. This is a pure Wilpon effort.

[HappyGilmore]

My friend, who had 4 full season tickets in the Metropolitan Box section ($150 per seat), just sent around an email. An excerpt...


I managed to sell my seats for the three remaining Met games, so the books are now closed on the 2009 season. I crunched some numbers, and it's not pretty.

I had 324 tickets (81 games x 4 seats) this year. I sold 218 of those 324 (67%) on Stubhub. My average sale price per seat was $113.88. Note that I sold tickets for both "hot" games and meaningless ones, so I don't think this number is skewed because I "held back" the best seats. Also, Stubhub charges a 15% fee, so my actual average return on tickets sold was $96.80. Remember, the Mets sold me these seats for $150.

It gets worse. I ate 64 tickets (20%). These were tickets were I was unable to find a low enough price to sell, getting a return of zero, the tickets unused by me or my friends. If you count these "unsellable" tickets, my average return per seat that was unused by me or my friends was $74.83.

The remaining 42 tickets (13%) were used by me, my friends and my family. If you take my total investment in these seats and subtract my sales revenue, each of these 42 seats cost me $663.28 each. If I had chosen not to get season tickets and just get tickets to the games my friends and I wanted to go to on StubHub, we could have sat in the best seats in the house for less than that.

Pretty bleak.

And let me just say that my friend is an aggressive seller who monitored his StubHub listings every day. You might say a savvy seller would not have had to eat 64 tickets, but this is still pretty damning. Are you listening, Met ticket office?

[mandrake]

My friend, who had 4 full season tickets in the Metropolitan Box section ($150 per seat), just sent around an email. An excerpt...And let me just say that my friend is an aggressive seller who monitored his StubHub listings every day. You might say a savvy seller would not have had to eat 64 tickets, but this is still pretty damning. Are you listening, Met ticket office?


Since this is one of the very very few examples of someone with high priced seats on BF, it is stunning.:highfive:

It also shows that the person who is sitting up in the prom for an average price of $19 and thinks they are important in the eyes of the Wilpons is just fooling themsleves. Your friend matters to the Mets. The "Joe Fan" who is stuck behind a stairwell up in steerage is just an easy mark for Fred and Jeff.

When I took 4 of us to the Acela Club, without any alcohol at all, I was thinking that a party of ten to twelve adults with drinks could spend at least $1,500 in one sitting($120-$150 per); that is 81 games in the prom reserve with FST.

I can only imagine what they would drop in the Delta Club ! Especially when the platinum game tickets could go for as much as $695 face for each. OUCH.

[njmeadowlanders]

I just got this in an email...who says we don't have enough banners?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/unknown.jpg

[GordonGecko]

I just got this in an email...who says we don't have enough banners?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/unknown.jpg

that's f'ing hilarious

[cgcoyne2]

found this on metspolice.com
------------------------------------------------

Rumor: New York Mets Museum To Rotunda?
Shannon Shark, Mets Police Chief


Let me remind all that the Mets Police site is not news, it's just a
fun site where Mets fans can gather and exchange fan related ideas.
I'm thankful that readers feed me ideas and stories, but I remind you
I'm just a regular fan like you and not 60 Minutes. That being said...
I got an email from someone who has fed me stuff in the past that has
been accurate. He says he was in the Mets store in the rotunda and
heard discussions about half that space becoming the Mets museum. He
said he asked another employee from a different depatment and that
person confirmed it.

Is it true? I don't know but I hope it is.

My question to you is: what would you like to see in such a museum?

We'd all like "more Mets less Dodgers" so let's skip the cattiness and
try to come up with a list. Players, items etc.

I wonder if they could acquire the Buckner ball?

When I went into the Mets Team store in the rotunda I was surprised they didn't sell any Throwback Met jerseys. With this being the 40th anniversary of the 1969 team I'm surprised they don't sell any wool M&N jerseys. The time is ripe even if they cost $300.

It would be cool if the museum had some original 1962 and 1969 Wool jerseys. Also a bunch of jerseys from the 1973, 1986 and 2000 seasons. That's what I would like to see.

[Petemc1969]

Went to the game last night. I bought Delta seats on Stub Hub for $60 per (normally $180 face value). Here are some pics:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/petemc1969/DSC00879.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/petemc1969/DSC00883.jpg


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/petemc1969/DSC00885.jpg


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[esternberg387]

Obstructed view from Promenade Reserved Infield 509, row 5, seat 3 - this was a "Bronze" game, so the ticket price was "only" $20...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/3948743261_64136d79f2_b.jpg
(Photo taken September 22, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3948743261/in/set-72157622318318725).)



That's me coming up the stairs, great pic!...

[tugger]

Dear Mets Season Ticket Holder:

Thank you for your support as a Mets Season Ticket Holder during our inaugural season at Citi Field. The Mets will host an exclusive Mr. Met Dash for our most loyal fans, our Season Ticket Holders, following the final game Sunday afternoon, October 4th against the Houston Astros.

In order to run the bases at Citi Field, simply present this email and your game ticket stub* at the Bullpen Plaza entrance following the game.

Participants in the Mr. Met Dash should exit Citi Field at the conclusion of the game, and then lineup outside the Bullpen Plaza entrance on 126th Street (The line will continue towards Roosevelt Avenue).

You will follow Citi Field security staff instructions and enter the field through the Modell's Clubhouse entrance (adjacent to bullpen) and continue around the warning track towards home plate.

The final game of the 2009 season will also include special giveaways and recognition for our Season Ticket Holders.
This is for adults?

[Kooos]

Interesting idea from Cerrone.....


"Next season, I’d like to see every Mets fan who attends Citi Field wearing a blue shirt… nothing but blue… wear a blue Mets jersey, where a generic blue t-shirt, a blue jacket, this Mets jacket, whatever… but make it blue… this way, Citi Field will get the splash of blue paint it is sorely missing.

Cardinals fans wear nothing but red to games, like this, creating a powerful, cohesive sea of Cardinal Red in every corner of the building… I think it would be equally powerful if we did the same with blue in Citi Field.

Why? Well, earlier in the season, I was talking with someone high up in the Mets organization, who said, “Blue and orange are fine for the uniform, but they’re kind of tacky for the ballpark,” which would explain the buidling’s overusage of gun-metal grey.

So, if every fan in Citi Field wore blue, we could at least take some control of how the ballpark looks."


http://www.metsblog.com/

[mandrake]

Interesting idea from Cerrone.....


"Next season, I’d like to see every Mets fan who attends Citi Field wearing a blue shirt… nothing but blue… wear a blue Mets jersey, where a generic blue t-shirt, a blue jacket, this Mets jacket, whatever… but make it blue… this way, Citi Field will get the splash of blue paint it is sorely missing.

Cardinals fans wear nothing but red to games, like this, creating a powerful, cohesive sea of Cardinal Red in every corner of the building… I think it would be equally powerful if we did the same with blue in Citi Field.

Why? Well, earlier in the season, I was talking with someone high up in the Mets organization, who said, “Blue and orange are fine for the uniform, but they’re kind of tacky for the ballpark,” which would explain the buidling’s overusage of gun-metal grey.

So, if every fan in Citi Field wore blue, we could at least take some control of how the ballpark looks."


http://www.metsblog.com/

Seriously, the predominate color in the stands for many games next season will be forest green.....the color of the seats.
I will be shocked if the Mets sell over 30K per game, which means 10K unsold.
And of those 30K, how many show up for early games, mid week games, late season games.

[tfc3rid]

Seriously, the predominate color in the stands for many games next season will be forest green.....the color of the seats.
I will be shocked if the Mets sell over 30K per game, which means 10K unsold.
And of those 30K, how many show up for early games, mid week games, late season games.

Worst thing right now is the paid attendance every night is still 35K plus... That will make the Wilpons think that there is no real issue with prices.

[JohnCropp]

Interesting idea from Cerrone.....


"Next season, I’d like to see every Mets fan who attends Citi Field wearing a blue shirt… nothing but blue… wear a blue Mets jersey, where a generic blue t-shirt, a blue jacket, this Mets jacket, whatever… but make it blue… this way, Citi Field will get the splash of blue paint it is sorely missing.

Cardinals fans wear nothing but red to games, like this, creating a powerful, cohesive sea of Cardinal Red in every corner of the building… I think it would be equally powerful if we did the same with blue in Citi Field.

Why? Well, earlier in the season, I was talking with someone high up in the Mets organization, who said, “Blue and orange are fine for the uniform, but they’re kind of tacky for the ballpark,” which would explain the buidling’s overusage of gun-metal grey.

So, if every fan in Citi Field wore blue, we could at least take some control of how the ballpark looks."


http://www.metsblog.com/

I think that's a great idea and would add orange for away games.

Every time I go see the Mets in Atlanta, I love to see the bits of orange scattered around the ballpark. There's a lot of Met fans in blue, but they don't stand out against the Brave blue and red as much as the orange does.

If Cerrone could get something going with this, it would make a hell of a difference in the perception of the Met fan.

Like you said, there is something special about seeing a see of red at Busch Stadium. I'd love to feel the same way when watching games at City Field.

[RayNY]

Like you said, there is something special about seeing a see of red at Busch Stadium. I'd love to feel the same way when watching games at City Field.

The reason for the "sea of red" at Busch Stadium is because the actual seats are red. Some fans wear red too, and white, and other colors but for the most part it's the seats that make everything appear red.

[Mister B.]

Worst thing right now is the paid attendance every night is still 35K plus... That will make the Wilpons think that there is no real issue with prices.

I'm going to give them more credit than that. Maybe I'll catch some heat for this, but I don't think they are clueless dolts with their heads in the sand.

They've got to know they're going to have big problems with renewals. They bet the ranch on charging crazy-high prices to see a first-rate team in the brand new house, only to get double-sacked by a tanking economy and a bad season (whatever the cause.) Now the team isn't first-rate and the house isn't brand new, but the crazy-high prices are the crappy economy are both still here. They've got to know this could get ugly.

What they plan to do about it is anyone's guess since I doubt they even know themselves yet. My personal guess is that they'll try to BS the fans with more hype (mistake) in combination with minor price / club access concessions and increasingly aggressive marketing.

I just don't think they're going to shrug their collective shoulders and say "no problem here."

[Kooos]

Seriously, the predominate color in the stands for many games next season will be forest green.....the color of the seats.
I will be shocked if the Mets sell over 30K per game, which means 10K unsold.
And of those 30K, how many show up for early games, mid week games, late season games.


Perhaps....but not really the point.

For arguments sake, how about we say Wilpon eventually lowers prices and the Mets become good again at some point?

[tfc3rid]

I think they acknowledge there is a problem... Just how serious is it at the ML level? They see a returning Reyes, Beltran, Santana and Wright... They are not too worried about it...

[Dishy24]

EXCLUSIVE TICKET OFFER TO FIRST-EVER PRO FOOTBALL GAME AT CITI FIELD
NEW YORK SENTINELS HOST LAS VEGAS LOCOMOTIVES
WEDNESDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER 4

Dear Mets Season Ticket or Plan Holder:

The United Football League debuts this fall with the promise of exciting, traditional football played by talented professional athletes, including the rising stars of tomorrow, and an entertaining game experience. In its "Premiere" Season, the fledgling UFL will field four teams - the New York Sentinels, Florida Tuskers, Las Vegas Locomotives and California Redwoods.

In the first-ever pro football game at Citi Field, the New York Sentinels will host the Las Vegas Locomotives on Wednesday, November 4 at 7 p.m. As a Mets Season Ticket or Plan Holder, we are pleased to offer you an exclusive opportunity to purchase tickets for the November 4 game at 20 percent price discounts, with per-ticket fees waived, before sales to the general public. With this special offer, your ticket prices start at just $16.

Your exclusive "Pre-Sale" of tickets will be online only, beginning Tuesday, September 29 at 10 a.m. and ending Friday, October 2 at noon. Go to www.507tixx.com, click the "Pre-Sale Offer" link and use the Pre-Sale Code, "*******". All purchases must be by MasterCard, Visa, Discover or American Express. If you have any questions regarding the Pre-Sale, please call our Ticket Office at (718) 507-TIXX.

For the Sentinels, led by head coach Ted Cottrell, this will be their only 2009 appearance at Citi Field. Please note that, for this game, all premium Citi Field club spaces will be open and accessible for your enjoyment.

Thank you for your support and your business in our Inaugural Season at Citi Field.

Sincerely,

William Ianniciello
Vice President, Ticket Sales and Services
New York Mets

[tfc3rid]

Disny, You have the presale code in there... Might want to delete that...

BTW, got 2 tix to Game 1 ALDS - Grandstand, 2 to Game 6 ALCS Grandstand at Yankee presale.

[GordonGecko]

EXCLUSIVE TICKET OFFER TO FIRST-EVER PRO FOOTBALL GAME AT CITI FIELD
hey Dishy-T, I got the email too. If you wouldn't mind could you please blank out the password? :shhh: I'd rather not have to compete with the entire internet for tickets in the presale :waving

[nymdan]

hey Dishy-T, I got the email too. If you wouldn't mind could you please blank out the password? :shhh: I'd rather not have to compete with the entire internet for tickets in the presale :waving
Edited her post.

[nymdan]

Please note that, for this game, all premium Citi Field club spaces will be open and accessible for your enjoyment.
Gary's eyes just lit up

[mandrake]

Perhaps....but not really the point.

For arguments sake, how about we say Wilpon eventually lowers prices and the Mets become good again at some point?

OK. But wearing orange is a gimmick, and I just can't wait for Yankees fans to make fun of it.

It reminds me of how it has become trendy at NHL playoff games for all the fans to wear the same color (and a few fans wear the opposite color to be seen on TV). Funny, all the Red Wing jerseys did not stop the Penguins in game 7.

The Mets are not going to install orange seats no matter how many people wear orange. I even doubt the place becomes blue.

They need 3 more real MLB quality starters before they can be taken seriously. All of the gimmicks are just that.

Meanwhile, across town they are getting out the polish for number 27. No gimmicks up in da Bronx.

[mandrake]

I'm going to give them more credit than that. Maybe I'll catch some heat for this, but I don't think they are clueless dolts with their heads in the sand.

They've got to know they're going to have big problems with renewals. They bet the ranch on charging crazy-high prices to see a first-rate team in the brand new house, only to get double-sacked by a tanking economy and a bad season (whatever the cause.) Now the team isn't first-rate and the house isn't brand new, but the crazy-high prices are the crappy economy are both still here. They've got to know this could get ugly.

What they plan to do about it is anyone's guess since I doubt they even know themselves yet. My personal guess is that they'll try to BS the fans with more hype (mistake) in combination with minor price / club access concessions and increasingly aggressive marketing. I just don't think they're going to shrug their collective shoulders and say "no problem here."

Mr B

You are probably the finance wiz on this board, so I will ask you this.
Either he is A) a dunce that just keeps pouring huge amounts of good money after bad money as he gave Madoff hundreds of millions, blindly, with no return despite having his own team of CPA's, tax people, finance analysts, etc and who were all blind to Bernie

or B) he knew about the scheme and tried to bring others like Sandy Koufax into the pyramid in a bid to get some return on his investment before the whole thing collapsed.


And I agree with your personal guess highlighted above.

[Strawman]

hahahahahaha its soooooo true

Really - I've never seen a Mariachi band on the 7 line or any other line.

Has anyone else here come across such a band on the subway?

[GordonGecko]

Here's the configuration for football at Citi Field:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/CF_UFL.jpg

[Mister B.]

Mr B

You are probably the finance wiz on this board, so I will ask you this.
Either he is A) a dunce that just keeps pouring huge amounts of good money after bad money as he gave Madoff hundreds of millions, blindly, with no return despite having his own team of CPA's, tax people, finance analysts, etc and who were all blind to Bernie

or B) he knew about the scheme and tried to bring others like Sandy Koufax into the pyramid in a bid to get some return on his investment before the whole thing collapsed.


And I agree with your personal guess highlighted above.


Wow, nobody's ever accused me of being a financial whiz before.

In any event, we should probably pursue this (if you want) via PMs, since we're veering off the CitiField theme a bit here.

[Gary Dunaier]

Gary's eyes just lit up

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[njmeadowlanders]

Here's the configuration for football at Citi Field:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/CF_UFL.jpg

Obviously not to scale because you only need 360 feet endline to endline and it's 408' to CF from home...

This is more like it, though I still expect it to be further towards center:

http://www.ufl-football.com/content/stadium/CitiFieldSeatingChart_0/CitiFieldSeatingChart_small.png

[headshoes]

Anyone getting tickets to the UFL??? Have they announced any players in the league??

[BMF]

Here's the configuration for football at Citi Field:

http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu273/areacode212/CF_UFL.jpg

talk about tight!!!!

[AJbaseball00024]

Here is my Citi Field Pictures:

Beautiful Exterior of Citi Field
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3853917453_08cf607e53_b.jpg

Fan Bricks
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3854706490_dc777eed22_b.jpg

Howie Rose and Wayne Hagin in the SportsRadio 66 WFAN Booth
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3854706568_f339beee74_b.jpg

Gary Cohen and Ron Darling in the SNY Booth
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2545/3854706626_db9d0dc01a_b.jpg

Angel Pagan batting lead-off for the Mets in the leadoff spot. He would score When Chase Utley dropped first dropped his pop-up and then mis-threw it to left field when he wanted to send it to second base.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/3853917695_019ec5561e_b.jpg

A little kid gets a pop-up ball that lands foul
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2468/3854706742_fc4268185b_b.jpg

Mr. Met launches shirts into the stand before the Mets Bat again.
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Home Run Apple rising during Seventh Inning Stretch.
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[Smrtalec33]

I'm going to the game at Giants Stadium the week before. There are some relatively well-known players in the league (Simeon Rice, Tatum Bell, Koren Robinson, JP Losman I'm pretty sure).

Is there any chance someone could send me a PM with the pre-sale code? Regular tickets don't go on sale until Monday, and that's going to be too late for me (long story, health reasons).

[Jim Vaz]

Horrible season that thankfully is near its conclusion, Yankee writers and press doing their best to rub more salt in our wounds pointing out some minor issues and flaws, but still overall the Mets have built themselves one of the nicest parks in baseball!
:applaud:

[Gary Dunaier]

I just got some information from a contact in the mets office.
He is wondering if a small group of 25 people who like to sit in the pepsi porch.
the game would be for Friday night October 2nd against the Astros.
The price is $32.
I asked him if we could recieve something for showing up
"I will definitely provide everyone with some pens at least and whatever else I can come up with"

nothing is permanent but he needs a responds by this friday
If you would like to go send me a PM.

Any updates on this?

[peterrod16]

Any updates on this?

gary its a no go on the porch outing.
Only a few members wanted to go.
I will be at citi field on sunday and taking pics from every level and premium area.
Mandrak, i got some info on the bridge terrace seating
The Bridge Terrace holds 68 people and you can definitely do smaller groups. Minimum group size is 25. Each table sits 4 people so a number like 36 would be perfect. That would use up 9 tables on the terrace. Along with the ticket price, you would have to purchase $25 of Mets money for each person as well.
The policy might change in 2010 if the mets decide to built a double decker bullpen.
Also, the Mo Zone minimum group is 25
So, we have a lot of options for a group outing in 2010.
I should know the pricing information no later than January.

[mandrake]

gary its a no go on the porch outing.
Only a few members wanted to go.
I will be at citi field on sunday and taking pics from every level and premium area.
Mandrak, i got some info on the bridge terrace seating
The Bridge Terrace holds 68 people and you can definitely do smaller groups. Minimum group size is 25. Each table sits 4 people so a number like 36 would be perfect. That would use up 9 tables on the terrace. Along with the ticket price, you would have to purchase $25 of Mets money for each person as well.
The policy might change in 2010 if the mets decide to built a double decker bullpen.
Also, the Mo Zone minimum group is 25
So, we have a lot of options for a group outing in 2010.
I should know the pricing information no later than January.

Thanks for the info.

Some Mets fans may disagree, but it really may be a great thing if the Yankees win the WS. It could (I stress could) put some real pressure on the Mets to do something drastic in regards to pricing. Imagine trying to sell corporate seats to the same people who are being courted by the Yankees.
Lets see " you have a choice, come see the WS winners" versus "we think everyone should wear blue and orange to make CF feel 'Metsie' ".

If this had been a repeat of 2008 where the Yankees missed the postseason, there is a lot less pressure to compete for the corporate dollar. Winning a WS throws Wilpon a curve.

[robardin]

Thanks for the info.

Some Mets fans may disagree, but it really may be a great thing if the Yankees win the WS. It could (I stress could) put some real pressure on the Mets to do something drastic in regards to pricing.

Can't we get more or less the same effect with the Yanks winning the AL Pennant, then losing in 7 games or something? Heck, let them lose in 7 games to the PHILLIES, that should light the fire like nothing else.

[peterrod16]

Thanks for the info.

Some Mets fans may disagree, but it really may be a great thing if the Yankees win the WS. It could (I stress could) put some real pressure on the Mets to do something drastic in regards to pricing. Imagine trying to sell corporate seats to the same people who are being courted by the Yankees.
Lets see " you have a choice, come see the WS winners" versus "we think everyone should wear blue and orange to make CF feel 'Metsie' ".

If this had been a repeat of 2008 where the Yankees missed the postseason, there is a lot less pressure to compete for the corporate dollar. Winning a WS throws Wilpon a curve.

no problem mandrake
now if the Yanks win the WS
mets ownership would feel pressure to put a competitive product on the field and not necessary give lower ticket prices
Example NY Giants won the superbowl which forced jets management to acquire favre and produce a competitve team on the field.
If the best seat at citi field could be $75 for 2010 then i believe the mets have a shot of taking away some corporate clients away from the yanks.
In my opinion the mets should please their average customers first because they have been neglected this season

[thrill5one6]

I have 2 tickets for Bruce Springsteen for Friday October 2nd at Giants Stadium lower level sec 123 row 19
anyone interested?
Email me robertm1984@gmail.com

[MarthaT]

I have 2 tickets for Bruce Springsteen for Friday October 2nd at Giants Stadium lower level sec 123 row 19
anyone interested?
Email me robertm1984@gmail.com

how much are you asking?

[GordonGecko]

I'll trade you for 2 tickets to every single remaining Mets home game. Special for you!!

[Kooos]

OK. But wearing orange is a gimmick, and I just can't wait for Yankees fans to make fun of it.

It reminds me of how it has become trendy at NHL playoff games for all the fans to wear the same color (and a few fans wear the opposite color to be seen on TV). Funny, all the Red Wing jerseys did not stop the Penguins in game 7.

The Mets are not going to install orange seats no matter how many people wear orange. I even doubt the place becomes blue.

They need 3 more real MLB quality starters before they can be taken seriously. All of the gimmicks are just that.

Meanwhile, across town they are getting out the polish for number 27. No gimmicks up in da Bronx.



I'm not sure anyone suggested it would?

But perhaps we should all just shelve any thoughts on trying to make the ballpark experience better, while we wallow in our frustration and Yankee-Envy?

We get it....you don't like the idea and you don't want to talk about anything other than how F'n fantastic the Yankees are and what a joke the Mets are. Yankee fans are "winner's", Cashman walks on water, and the Mets are never gonna be good again. Etc, etc. etc.

Silly me for thinking we could discuss something else.

Boy am I gonna laugh my a$$ off when they lose next month.

[mets16]

Hard to believe 6 months ago tomorrow, I saw this place for the first time. Its crazy how it felt going inside for the first time and how much promise the season had on March 29th.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3470/3396852452_22c6906376_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/3396199681_7461aaa474_b.jpg

Boy does time fly.

[thrill5one6]

how much are you asking?

Face value is $115 a ticket, I am asking $179 for both. Also listed on eBay 100% feedback
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180412896101&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_948

[GordonGecko]

Anybody buy UFL tickets today? I don't see Pepsi Porch up for sale

[Gary Dunaier]

Anybody buy UFL tickets today? I don't see Pepsi Porch up for sale

Sit down, son... let me tell you a little story.

Now, I don't know the New York Sentinels from the X-Men's Sentinels... for me this is an opportunity to see Citi Field set up for a different event. Just like the Paul McCartney concerts (except, of course, that I did know who Paul McCartney was :rofl: ).

But when I saw that the Delta Club seats on the Sterling level were included in the $30 price category... I knew my mission.

So I selected one ticket, clicked "Add to Cart" in the "FIELD ENDZONE (STERLING)" category... and I was offered section 11, row 1. Front row, baby! I was hoping to get row 1 in section 15, which is directly behind home plate... I know this is football, but look, how many chances is a regular working guy like me going to have to try and get seats like this? While section 11, row 1 was on hold for me, I kept trying again, and I kept getting either "This event is not yet on sale" messages (even though it was after the 10.00am starting time), or I would be offered a single in row 2, which I didn't want. I decided to take section 11, row 1, and maybe I'd try again later for something better.

After making the purchase, I figured, what the hey, let me make a call. The e-mail had said the pre-sale would be online only, but I had been successful dealing with the ticket office in the past. So I called the ticket office number... the recording offered an option to buy tickets for football game... and I spoke to a representative. I cut right to the chase: do you have anything in section 15, row 1? He did, and he offered me seats on the aisle. I asked if the seats in the middle of the section were available... they were... and now they're mine.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m124/coinboynyc/Tom%20Beland%20Woo%20Hoo/TOMBELAND-WOOHOO-2.jpg

No, it's not baseball... but it is front row, directly behind home plate, at Citi Field. And until I can get those seats for baseball (I must be dreaming), that'll have to do. :)