Citi Field

[tugger]

OK, let's say I had a few hundred million and wanted to compete against the Mets in NY in the major leagues.....

. . . Then you'd get together with a few of your hundred-millionaire friends and start your own league.

[Strawman]

. . . Then you'd get together with a few of your hundred-millionaire friends and start your own league.

No you wouldn't, 'cos you wouldn't be able to compete against the anti-trust exemption.

The idea that pro sports is 'free market' is intensely laughable - it's as capitalist as the "companies" in Communist China. The fix is in.

[nymdan]

I'd just like to say that I'm glad New York's ballparks new and old are/were something to look at from the outside.

The same cannot be said about the football stadiums.

Old:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4554/022ij.jpg

New:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2186/023lz.jpg

[JohnCropp]

On the bull pen issue I actually suggested that a whiles back.. good to see the wilpons arent as slow minded as I thought.


Hah! Not to toot my own horn but I called it!


Me too! I said in a post way back at the beginning of the season.

You guys sound like my tv.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9861/popupuq.jpg

[mets16]

I, said something too, I wanna join the party :laugh.. Is it crazy to think that the Mets brass read this board? Because this has to be the only intelligent critique of Citi Field on the web. Every other discussion whether it be on ESPN, AOL or a site is bashing the Mets. But we always have a solution.

[robardin]

That's just great. Are you guys happy? The staircases are being cheesified with orange and blue now. They looked perfectly fine before.
I hadn't thought about painting them orange and blue, but I had thought the staircases looked drab and ugly and could use... something. Orange and blue could be that, or not, I don't know. But I'm not hating this idea.

What I'd have liked to see in the stairwells are pictures or plaques with images of the "neon ballplayers" from Shea. Don't know exactly how or where, but even on the side walls as you go up the stairs from each level would be kinda cool.

Or if they'd replace the outward facing ads that are behind the CF scoreboard with images of those neon ball players. Bombard us with ads while we're INSIDE the stadium if you must, but at least cover up and present a less crassly Jezebel face to the outside world!

[peterrod16]

I very much want to do this....it would be great, I was all set to do last years and I had a death in the family

We lucked out having the cardinals as a bronze game plus a rain delay kept everyone happy with extra time for the open bar.
If we can't do the suite we can do a cheaper alternative.
I love the seating view from the party suite but thought the food was average at best.
I looked at the schedule for a bronze game but the teams dont look that interesting.
Maybe i can have the rep give me a tour of the mo zone and take some pics of the renovated bullpen:)
does anyone have a game they prefer in the value-silver category
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=nym&m=4&y=2010

[grimthorpe]

That's just great. Are you guys happy? The staircases are being cheesified with orange and blue now. They looked perfectly fine before. They were only freaking staircases. Now they're going to be tacky staircases. What's next, orange and blue seats? Will that make some people happy too? Actually, don't answer that. I'm afraid at how many people will answer yes.
:banghead:

You can take the Mets fan out of Shea, but you can't take Shea out of the Mets fan. (some)

Only we Mets fans - again, by no means all - would want to transform a classic ballpark design into a dog's breakfast befitting a place called Flushing.

[Dishy24]

We lucked out having the cardinals as a bronze game plus a rain delay kept everyone happy with extra time for the open bar.
If we can't do the suite we can do a cheaper alternative.
I love the seating view from the party suite but thought the food was average at best.
I looked at the schedule for a bronze game but the teams dont look that interesting.
Maybe i can have the rep give me a tour of the mo zone and take some pics of the renovated bullpen:)
does anyone have a game they prefer in the value-silver category
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=nym&m=4&y=2010

Personally I hate the view from the Pepsi Porch/ Big Apple seating/ Mo Zone type sections... it is backwards to me... I really would prefer the suite again... pretty, pretty please Peter?

[cringey]

Pictures on the stairwell walls would be defaced on day 1.
I saw graphetti already on the bathroom walls at the St John's game.

[johnql]

I vote for the suite, too. I missed last year's gathering because I was at Keyspan Park for Baracklyn bobblehead night. But I will be there this year, so count me in.

[majorleads]

You can take the Mets fan out of Shea, but you can't take Shea out of the Mets fan. (some)

Only we Mets fans - again, by no means all - would want to transform a classic ballpark design into a dog's breakfast befitting a place called Flushing.

Completely agree. We just have way to many fans with to much time on their hands. Orange and blue staircases? Yikes! Who looks at a freaking staircase in a baseball stadium and says, nope that color is all wrong???? Who does this???

[Gary Dunaier]

Pencil me in as well. And maybe this time I'll be part of the party instead of the menu! :eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v722/thrill5one6/Empire%20Luxury%20Suite%206-23-09/EmpireSuite205June232009081.jpg?t=1245855982

(Although, according to contemporary accounts of the event, I was delicious (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1549383&postcount=10252)... :D )

[erlovepuck]

[QUOTE=majorleads;1648443]Completely agree. We just have way to many fans with to much time on their hands. Orange and blue staircases? Yikes! Who looks at a freaking staircase in a baseball stadium and says, nope that color is all wrong???? Who does this???[/QUOTE

I think we all need to wait and see how they go about this. If they paint them wall to wall blue & orange I agree its going to look tacky and completely out of place with the rest of the ballpark. But if they say put a coat of grey or white paint and use some blue or orange stripes or something like that (kind of like the inside of the restrooms) then to me its an upgrade. Also they could definitely put up large pictures on the elevator shaft side and put them plenty high enough that no one will be able to reach them to deface them.

[tomzpc]

lol @ Ricky Bones. Sounds like a male pornstar name.

I think he's actually the pitching coach for the Mets triple-A team the Buffalo Bisons.

Hah.....it's actually pronouced like Bo-ness though.

[GordonGecko]

they ain't gonna' do anything to the mallpark that will increase any operating co$t$ and not bring in income directly, they have to save up for free agents..
Agree that they're going to try everything maintain or increase revenues and cut costs, but it won't be to sign free agents. It'll be to stitch the hole in Fred Wilpon's Wallet

[Jim Vaz]

The staircases are fully enclosed so nobody sees them really anyway.
Which then makes you think, why even waste the paint and manhours to paint them? Nobody cares what the inside of the staircases look like.

As long as they can them to there though I'm okay with that.

[jfvmets]

We lucked out having the cardinals as a bronze game plus a rain delay kept everyone happy with extra time for the open bar.
If we can't do the suite we can do a cheaper alternative.
I love the seating view from the party suite but thought the food was average at best.
I looked at the schedule for a bronze game but the teams dont look that interesting.
Maybe i can have the rep give me a tour of the mo zone and take some pics of the renovated bullpen:)
does anyone have a game they prefer in the value-silver category
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=nym&m=4&y=2010

the value games are only nationals or pirates.. which i don't know if someone wants to spend big bucks to see these teams, and personally I always see the nats here in dc when the mets come down. so I prefer avoid then in citifield.


the bronze games:
some are good but are in april..( cubs, dodgers) good games but bad month (cold).
or in may the giants(weekend)

in silver games:
I don't know..
phillies will be nice but the next series will be the yankees so don't know.
and the rest are week days and the teams are not that interesting. so it s up to the plp and mayority...

gold games turn up pricey.

and platinum.. more pricey, but it will not be bad if it was for oppening day..
I'll do it for oppening day, for sure..

so let us know...

[Dishy24]

Dear Mets Season Ticket Holder:

I had a really fabulous time in the summer when I opened New York's Citi Field. Having opened Shea for music with The Beatles and closed it with Billy Joel, it was my pleasure and honour to be asked to open the new one. Over three nights we filmed the show. It has now been put together in the form of "Good Evening New York City" my latest CD/DVD, and I think you might like to check it out.


Paul McCartney

Enjoy Paul McCartney's historic, three nights opening show at New York's Citi Field, historic site of The Beatles' landmark 1965 concert for a for a special price of $10.99 (regular MLB.com Shop price is $19.99).

Universally hailed as a concert experience for the ages, this double CD and DVD features 33 songs including Beatles, Wings and solo classics.

The "Good Evening New York City" package is now available to you, Mets Season Ticket Holders, for just $10.99 at Mets.com. Customers will need to enter in promotion code PAULMDVD at checkout to receive the sale price of $10.99.



(I don't think anybody should mind me posting the promotion code-- if it is a problem, I will remove it!)

[Ralf]

So who is going to take a drive over to Citi and take a picture of the bullpen reconstruction?

[Shea1012]

So, now that the first offer has been made by the Mets, how many of you have already or will be paying up by early Decemebr?

[GordonGecko]

Enjoy Paul McCartney's historic, three nights opening show at New York's Citi Field, historic site of The Beatles' landmark 1965 concert for a for a special price of $10.99 (regular MLB.com Shop price is $19.99).
I was going to cancel my season tickets, but then I got this email saving me 9 bucks on a paul mcartney CD. Now I'm going to renew! :rolleyes:

[Dishy24]

I was going to cancel my season tickets, but then I got this email saving me 9 bucks on a paul mcartney CD. Now I'm going to renew! :rolleyes:

See Gordon-D??? One of the many, many little perks we all take for granted being a full STH! :rofl:

[whoisonit]

Agree that they're going to try everything maintain or increase revenues and cut costs, but it won't be to sign free agents. It'll be to stitch the hole in Fred Wilpon's Wallet

You don't know what you're talking about. Again.

[nyce475]

Cubs and Dodgers will both be good teams next season. I wouldnt mind seeing either, nor would I mind the Giants.

As far as either Nats or Pirates - I would say go with Pittsburgh

[Strawman]

I was going to cancel my season tickets, but then I got this email saving me 9 bucks on a paul mcartney CD. Now I'm going to renew! :rolleyes:

Hey between that, the new bullpens and all that shiny paint in the stairwells, it's looking up!

[tfc3rid]

See Gordon-D??? One of the many, many little perks we all take for granted being a full STH! :rofl:

You only get 1 copy for the discount... Any additional ciopies are at the full price... Yeah, I checked...

[esternberg387]

I was at Citi for an interview today so I took a pic of the stairs from the street level... looks like the same tacky paint as the field level at Shea. Also, every staircase that I saw was orange, no signs of any blue yet.

I would've gotten a pic of the bullpens, but there's nothing really to see. The area's just a bunch of dirt right now.

http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/96/196/7/64/34/2144764340104961842tdTMsf_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2144764340104961842tdTMsf)]

[cringey]

I was at Citi for an interview today so I took a pic of the stairs from the street level... looks like the same tacky paint as the field level at Shea. Also, every staircase that I saw was orange, no signs of any blue yet.

I would've gotten a pic of the bullpens, but there's nothing really to see. The area's just a bunch of dirt right now.

http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/96/196/7/64/34/2144764340104961842tdTMsf_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2144764340104961842tdTMsf)]

I see some blue in that picture on the side of the wall and the ceiling.
Don't recall seeing them there before.

[Gary Dunaier]

The McCartney CD comes out tomorrow. Beast Buy has an "exclusive" where, in addition to the 2 audio CDs and 1 DVD, you get an additional DVD and "an expanded booklet with high-quality exclusive photos." According to Beast Buy, the bonus DVD includes the complete David Letterman (Ed Sullivan Theater) marquee performance (seven songs), personal footage of Paul and crew back stage, en route to Citi Field, exclusive footage of Paul performing the Beatles "I'm Down" commemorating the 1965 Historic Shea Stadium Concert, and Flip camera photos taken by fans in and around the stadium surrounding the concert. Price for the whole kit and kaboodle is $19.99.

As much as I'm loathe to promote Beast Buy, I think the "exclusive" package is a good deal.

[citifaithful]

Can't win. People complained ALL YEAR how bad the staircases look. I went to A LOT of games and heard that comment from friends or just overhearing other fans. I personally didn't mind all that much but could see what they meant. It felt incomplete. Now that they're putting some team colors on there, it's tacky. That's what some people have been saying all along! About staircases, especially with seats. The Wilpons are crazy and do some stupid things, no doubt. But fans give them crap for no reason fairly often. This new park represents that. Not that all complaints aren't accurate they are. But some aren't. And the staircases being orange is one thing. They're just listening to surveys and feedback. So the fans created this.

[peterrod16]

I was at Citi for an interview today so I took a pic of the stairs from the street level... looks like the same tacky paint as the field level at Shea. Also, every staircase that I saw was orange, no signs of any blue yet.

I would've gotten a pic of the bullpens, but there's nothing really to see. The area's just a bunch of dirt right now.

http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/96/196/7/64/34/2144764340104961842tdTMsf_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2144764340104961842tdTMsf)]

esternberg387 thanks for the pics and welcome to baseball fever.
For me give me the tacky orange and blue
If citi field is the home of the mets lets make it look like our home.

[RayNY]

I was at Citi for an interview today so I took a pic of the stairs from the street level... looks like the same tacky paint as the field level at Shea. Also, every staircase that I saw was orange, no signs of any blue yet.

I would've gotten a pic of the bullpens, but there's nothing really to see. The area's just a bunch of dirt right now.

http://thumb2.webshots.net/t/96/196/7/64/34/2144764340104961842tdTMsf_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2144764340104961842tdTMsf)]

:banghead::disbelief:
Just as I imagined. Tacky, ugly, doesn't fit with the overall design of Citi Field. And this is what so many of you guys were crying for. What's next - alternating orange and blue stairs? Hell let's just all perm our hair, wear acid washed jean jackets, and watch Top Gun on the big screen and call it a day.

[nymdan]

That looks terrible, as expected.

[Anubis2051]

:banghead::disbelief:
Just as I imagined. Tacky, ugly, doesn't fit with the overall design of Citi Field. And this is what so many of you guys were crying for. What's next - alternating orange and blue stairs? Hell let's just all perm our hair, wear acid washed jean jackets, and watch Top Gun on the big screen and call it a day.

Hey, take it easy on Top Gun! say what you will about anything else, but leave Top Gun out of it!

But in all seriousness, this is the first coat, things might look a lot better when everything is finished. I wish they could put up some team murals or pictures in the stairwells, that would be a lot cooler than just some team colored paint.

[Ralf]

The Wilpons really just don't get it. Its so frustrating to watch and endure.

[piazza3142]

That looks terrible, as expected.

Yes, it does. But at the end of the day it's still a stairwell. A stairwell that isn't gray anymore, which is good, right?

[Strawman]

Yes, it does. But at the end of the day it's still a stairwell. A stairwell that isn't gray anymore, which is good, right?

Relax, it's clearly left over from the Halloween decorations out there...

[nyce475]

The McCartney CD comes out tomorrow. Beast Buy has an "exclusive" where, in addition to the 2 audio CDs and 1 DVD, you get an additional DVD and "an expanded booklet with high-quality exclusive photos." According to Beast Buy, the bonus DVD includes the complete David Letterman (Ed Sullivan Theater) marquee performance (seven songs), personal footage of Paul and crew back stage, en route to Citi Field, exclusive footage of Paul performing the Beatles "I'm Down" commemorating the 1965 Historic Shea Stadium Concert, and Flip camera photos taken by fans in and around the stadium surrounding the concert. Price for the whole kit and kaboodle is $19.99.

As much as I'm loathe to promote Beast Buy, I think the "exclusive" package is a good deal.

Hey Gary...whats the matter with Best Buy? They are the reason I am able to attend any games to being with. I have been employed by them for almost 7 years. Good company to work for I must say.

[RayNY]

Hey, take it easy on Top Gun! say what you will about anything else, but leave Top Gun out of it!



Haha I actually love Top Gun. One of my favorites. But I just couldn't think of any other movie that was so iconic in the 80's in all it's glorified cheesiness.

[RayNY]

The Wilpons really just don't get it. Its so frustrating to watch and endure.

I'm with you on that.

[alpineinc]

So, now that the first offer has been made by the Mets, how many of you have already or will be paying up by early Decemebr?

Spoke to my new rep today. He was firm about the Dec 4th payment for locking in to a full season (and not being able to back out), no exceptions (just like my old rep last year), so, although he said he'd scramble for the best seats he could find throughout my section, I'll probably go to partial - I keep my rep and FST's go to the "head of the line" for partials according to him. We'll see...

I have a small amount paid towards my balance already, from some of my StubHub sales this past season going directly into my account. Unlike pre-paid playoff amounts from past years, I can apply it to any type of plan without risk of forfeiture, so that's good.

He also told me the "early Saturday/Sunday" for FST's is likely being allowed in 3 to 3 1/2 hours early, he wasn't sure yet.

I also asked about changes in Citi itself, re: satellite Shake Shacks, more drafts, etc. but he told me he had no idea about any of that, except of course the Club changes we already know about.

Lastly, he expected partials info to be out in a week or so.

That's it for now, I told him I'd keep in touch, lol.

[foulpole]

Haha I actually love Top Gun. One of my favorites. But I just couldn't think of any other movie that was so iconic in the 80's in all it's glorified cheesiness.

"Nobody puts Baby in a corner."

[majorleads]

Can't win. People complained ALL YEAR how bad the staircases look. I went to A LOT of games and heard that comment from friends or just overhearing other fans. I personally didn't mind all that much but could see what they meant. It felt incomplete. Now that they're putting some team colors on there, it's tacky. That's what some people have been saying all along! About staircases, especially with seats. The Wilpons are crazy and do some stupid things, no doubt. But fans give them crap for no reason fairly often. This new park represents that. Not that all complaints aren't accurate they are. But some aren't. And the staircases being orange is one thing. They're just listening to surveys and feedback. So the fans created this.


Problem with the surveys and feedback is the majority of fans don't care enough about how the staircases look or whether or not Dwight Gooden's picture is slapped on the wall. Those surveys and feedback they get are from people who will make the Wilpon's life a living hell. Most fans are not filling out surveys. And complaining about obstructed views is one thing, but the color of a staircase is absolutely ridiculous.

The same people who complain about the staircases are probably the ones who spend all nine innings walking around the park with a magnifying glass looking for something to complain about. (in between waiting on line for an hour to get that deliciously overpriced and highly overrated food) Watch the game!

[tugger]

No you wouldn't, 'cos you wouldn't be able to compete against the anti-trust exemption.

The idea that pro sports is 'free market' is intensely laughable - it's as capitalist as the "companies" in Communist China. The fix is in.

so why do you bother with it? I've heard there are other things to do in NYC.

[nymdan]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
http://citifieldofdreams.com/2009/03/02/single-game-ticket-prices/

So, something like the Delta Club, that was half empty all year... the Mets only lower the prices there by about $5 per game?

What are they smoking?

[bigmac70]

I'd asked my rep if they were goign to raise the seats in the 1st row of the Promenade Reserved and got the following reply

"I do understand your concern about the 1st Row in the Promenade Reserved. Unfortunately the space does not allow us to raise it up there because it would then affect Row 2"

[Strawman]

so why do you bother with it? I've heard there are other things to do in NYC.

'Cos I'm a tormented Mets fan, that's why - since 1969.

[mandrake]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
http://citifieldofdreams.com/2009/03/02/single-game-ticket-prices/

So, something like the Delta Club, that was half empty all year... the Mets only lower the prices there by about $5 per game?

What are they smoking?

I took a look at the 2010 prices and pulled out some stubs from 2009 to compare.

On the tribute to 1969 nite, my wife and I sat in section 133 first row and the face was $84 because it was a 'gold' game. The price is the same in 2010. IMHO, not worth the price. Glorified bleacher seats.

On 5/27, I took my dad to a value game and since he is disabled, we sat in section 19 row 1 in Delta Club for $105. Those seats this year are reduced to $102.(big deal) Last year, to sit in the first row for a value game if you were not a DAP, the cost was $295. This year it was reduced to $250.
(I am not sure where the $460 platinum seats are for every game that are on the price lists, unless it is just over a few sections starting in section 16. Strange that the price is the same for value thru platinum !)
IMHO, the DAP seats in the front row are worth the price.

I took my daughter to build a bear night and sat in Bridge terrace. The face for a gold game was $54 and that is unchanged this season. IMHO, not worth the price unless you buy these seats at a huge discount and you are not forced to purchase $25 of Mets money (that is extortion)

Took my mom, wife and daughter to Mother's day and sat in box next to visiting dugout (also sat there in September for a value game). These are considered 'gold' seats but were priced for a DAP and their guests at $75 for value. These are now $60 for value ! IMHO, the best seats in the park for the money, but you need to accompany a DAP to sit in them.

If the Mets averaged 38,000 tickets sold last season, I can't imagine them averaging more than 33,000 this season at these prices. Still decent attendance, but still a hit of 400,000 tickets.

Up in Da Bronx, the place will be packed to the rafters with the exception of those legends disasters.

[Shbmets]

That looks horrible. It looks like the field level at Shea. Its very frustrating when you look at that and then go to the Target Field page and see how first class everything looks with that that stadium.

I give up!!!

[tfc3rid]

@mandrake... It seems like they will lose a lot of those pre-paid customers this season... Tough to pull in 38K... Especially with prices as they will be. They are clearly tone deaf...

[Aviator_Frank]

That looks horrible. It looks like the field level at Shea. Its very frustrating when you look at that and then go to the Target Field page and see how first class everything looks with that that stadium.

I give up!!!

That's the problem with the Wilpons - they think a coat of paint or a paper "Lets Go Mets" on the scoreboard will satisfy the fan's desire for a stadium that reflects the team's history. They spent the most time and money on a stinkin' piece of fruit in center field that basically started out as a cheesy advertising gimmick in 1982.

Looking at the Target Field thread you can only gather that it was inspired by people who love the Twins and their history and are proud of it.

[tfc3rid]

That looks horrible. It looks like the field level at Shea. Its very frustrating when you look at that and then go to the Target Field page and see how first class everything looks with that that stadium.

I give up!!!

See what happens when you complain to the Mets... They go overboard and try to ruin a brand new ballpark to make it look like the toilet we left across the parking lot...

[ribant]

I took a look at the 2010 prices and pulled out some stubs from 2009 to compare.

On the tribute to 1969 nite, my wife and I sat in section 133 first row and the face was $84 because it was a 'gold' game. The price is the same in 2010. IMHO, not worth the price. Glorified bleacher seats.

Something I have been wondering since last year is when will the public will catch on that so many seats in CF are glorified bleachers.

And when will demand for them will shrivel up.

Then what?

[tomkaz]

Pro-Arab group rips Citi Field fete: The Hebron Fund hosting fund-raiser at home of Mets
BY Sergey Kadinsky
DAILY NEWS WRITER

Tuesday, November 17th 2009, 4:00 AM


Simmons/News
The first spring training game at Citi Field in the spring.

The bloody struggle between the Jews and Palestinians has moved to a local battleground - Citi Field.

A group that supports Palestinian causes is crying foul because The Hebron Fund, a Brooklyn-based organization that funds radical Jewish settlers in the West Bank city, is holding a fund-raiser Saturday at the home of the Mets.

The money they collect will be used to support some 700 Jews who continue to squat in the overwhelmingly Palestinian city, protected from their angry neighbors by the Israeli Army, the pro-Palestinian group says.

"The Palestinians have no rights," said Ethan Heitner, a spokesman for Adalah-NY: The Coalition for Justice in the Middle East. "The U.S. foreign policy and international courts consider the settlements illegal."

In their letter to the Mets, the group asked the organization to pull the plug on the fund-raiser, claiming that supporting the settlers contradicts the Mets' commitment "to diversity and opposition to discrimination."

The Mets said no - but insisted they weren't taking sides.

"The beliefs of organizations holding events at Citi Field do not necessarily reflect those of the New York Mets," the team said in a statement.

Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a staunch supporter of Jewish settlements on the West Bank, called the Mets' decision a victory.

"The Mets are doing the right thing," said Hikind. "For Jews not to live in Hebron is segregation. It is a city that goes back to the beginning of Judaism."

The Adalah-NY group plans a 12:30 p.m. protest Wednesday outside Major League Baseball's headquarters at 245 Park Ave.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/11/17/2009-11-17_proarab_group_rips_citi_field_fete.html#ixzz0X7 nZpMKR

[Strawman]

Pro-Arab group rips Citi Field fete: The Hebron Fund hosting fund-raiser at home of Mets
BY Sergey Kadinsky
DAILY NEWS WRITER

Tuesday, November 17th 2009, 4:00 AM


Simmons/News
The first spring training game at Citi Field in the spring.

The bloody struggle between the Jews and Palestinians has moved to a local battleground - Citi Field.

A group that supports Palestinian causes is crying foul because The Hebron Fund, a Brooklyn-based organization that funds radical Jewish settlers in the West Bank city, is holding a fund-raiser Saturday at the home of the Mets.

The money they collect will be used to support some 700 Jews who continue to squat in the overwhelmingly Palestinian city, protected from their angry neighbors by the Israeli Army, the pro-Palestinian group says.

"The Palestinians have no rights," said Ethan Heitner, a spokesman for Adalah-NY: The Coalition for Justice in the Middle East. "The U.S. foreign policy and international courts consider the settlements illegal."

In their letter to the Mets, the group asked the organization to pull the plug on the fund-raiser, claiming that supporting the settlers contradicts the Mets' commitment "to diversity and opposition to discrimination."

The Mets said no - but insisted they weren't taking sides.

"The beliefs of organizations holding events at Citi Field do not necessarily reflect those of the New York Mets," the team said in a statement.

Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a staunch supporter of Jewish settlements on the West Bank, called the Mets' decision a victory.

"The Mets are doing the right thing," said Hikind. "For Jews not to live in Hebron is segregation. It is a city that goes back to the beginning of Judaism."

The Adalah-NY group plans a 12:30 p.m. protest Wednesday outside Major League Baseball's headquarters at 245 Park Ave.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/11/17/2009-11-17_proarab_group_rips_citi_field_fete.html#ixzz0X7 nZpMKR

Reportedly, neither side is happy about the plexiglass obstructions in the Promenade either...

[ribant]

Reportedly, neither side is happy about the plexiglass obstructions in the Promenade either...

The one issue both sides can come together on, and instead they squabble over land.

Another missed opportunity...

[RayNY]

That looks horrible. It looks like the field level at Shea. Its very frustrating when you look at that and then go to the Target Field page and see how first class everything looks with that that stadium.


I know. That's why every time I go to the Target Field thread and more pictures pop up, I get more jealous. And then angry. Jeff Wilpon actually said that they were UNDER BUDGET when Citi Field was complete. We don't have to guess what the Wilpons skipped out on to save those few extra bucks. So cheap. And completely out of touch with Mets fans.


That's the problem with the Wilpons - they think a coat of paint or a paper "Lets Go Mets" on the scoreboard will satisfy the fan's desire for a stadium that reflects the team's history. They spent the most time and money on a stinkin' piece of fruit in center field that basically started out as a cheesy advertising gimmick in 1982.

Looking at the Target Field thread you can only gather that it was inspired by people who love the Twins and their history and are proud of it.

All the things the Wilpons do to appease the fans' criticism are patches and quick fixes. They do everything either half-assed, or just completely wrong. And apparently they are listening to the wrong type of criticism (the ones who want Citi Field to be cheesy and tacky like Shea).

Their lack of pride for the very team they own is evident in the way they treat the new ballpark and Mets fans.

[PartnerInGrime]

Cerrone at Metsblog just posted that Dave Howard made a statement that there would be changes to Citi Field, which would be announced in December (along with a uniform change).

Cerrone speculates that the outfield walls aren't coming in, and guesses that the change could be the height of the walls.

www.metsblog.com

[ribant]

I just got off the phone with the box office and learned


Plan holder invoices likely will not be sent until December - a slight contradiction with earlier information
If you have multiple plans in one account you will get an all or nothing invoice.

The same five fifteen game plans will be offered

Friday, Saturday, and Sunday plans will have the same 10/5 game breakdown as last year

The usual procedure for upgrades and changes will apply

Fourty game plan plans are up in the air?????
Packs will not be offered due to "lack of inventory"


I think there will some kind of packs or smaller plans available if sales do not meet projections. Whatever those projections might be.

I can't imagine not offering half season plans so maybe they are not sure what seating areas to include until sales gets a feel for FST renewals

Fourty game renewals are out. Payment due in full by December 11. I guess plans will be sent out in about another week.

Are there any fourty game plan holders out there?

[dstoffa]

Fourty game renewals are out. Payment due in full by December 11. I guess plans will be sent out in about another week.

Are there any fourty game plan holders out there?

I know someone (not here on BF) who is a 40-game plan holder in Prom Club. Bought it for the post-season rights. Yeah, right....

I mean, they are giving you every other playoff game.. why not in your seat?

Anyways, those 40-game plans are crappy because neither one gets Opening Day, and they'll move you for the playoffs. IIRC, the cheapest ticket was in LF Reserve at an average of $50 per last season... too much for that location. I was tempted at a Prom Club package, and went with 2 15 game plans instead. Those gold and platinum games were WAY too expensive for my tastes.

I expect an invoice for 15 game plans to be sent just before Thanksgiving.

[nymdan]

Can anybody find the good, professional-looking Photoshop of Citi with blue walls that Cerrone posted a while back?

[tfc3rid]

Cerrone at Metsblog just posted that Dave Howard made a statement that there would be changes to Citi Field, which would be announced in December (along with a uniform change).

Cerrone speculates that the outfield walls aren't coming in, and guesses that the change could be the height of the walls.

www.metsblog.com

My guess is home plate is going to be moved out... Resolves dimension issue and helps out with sightline issue.

[dstoffa]

My guess is home plate is going to be moved out... Resolves dimension issue and helps out with sightline issue.

Moving Home Plate will require moving at least one foul pole.

[tfc3rid]

Moving Home Plate will require moving at least one foul pole.

Not a problem... If you notice, the foule poles are mounted on concrete slab... There is additional room on the concrete slab to move each of the two foulpoles inward... Notied that on the last day of the season when I was walking on the warning track.

[dstoffa]

Not a problem... If you notice, the foule poles are mounted on concrete slab... There is additional room on the concrete slab to move each of the two foulpoles inward... Notied that on the last day of the season when I was walking on the warning track.

They may have to move the notch in the porch... Don't think there is an issue in LF, though.

[nymdan]

They may have to move the notch in the porch... Don't think there is an issue in LF, though.
There is no notch in the porch. The pole is in front.

There was a notch in the original rendering, but they didn't build it that way.

[StadiumPage]

There is no notch in the porch. The pole is in front.

There was a notch in the original rendering, but they didn't build it that way.

There's no notch, but they'd block some really good seats if that pole moves. The pole is currently aligned perfectly with the aisle. Even a foot in either direction would be bad for those seats.

[dstoffa]

There's no notch, but they'd block some really good seats if that pole moves. The pole is currently aligned perfectly with the aisle. Even a foot in either direction would be bad for those seats.

It wouldn't stop them from selling the seats, though. It would be just like those Loge seats at Shea....

[mrandradej]

I was over looking at Target field thread and they have 2 Twins Logo installed out in scoreboard area. Not to mention only 4 spaces for ads. I still can't believe there's not a single Mets Logo set up on the field at Citi.

[RICHIECOQUI]

I was over looking at Target field thread and they have 2 Twins Logo installed out in scoreboard area. Not to mention only 4 spaces for ads. I still can't believe there's not a single Mets Logo set up on the field at Citi. http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/86155111.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19374ECC42B7A3FA40D2BE5DAFD7D7FEE7D 26FD13ED7B73D4BC :rolleyes: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RJnZXOek6bo/Sn4b1h4rA8I/AAAAAAAADmw/harEyj7VCWI/s320/blog+NY+Citi+new+apple.jpg

[Mongoose]

I had never bought Mets tickets on Stub Hub prior to last season unless the game was a sell out. I always paid more as a walk up at the ticket window on game day. What Fred had wanted to do with the undersized new stadium was eliminate walk up traffic - and so he has. I'm never going to buy from Fred at face again if I can avoid it. Thanks to him, I've now gotten into the habit of expecting discounts from face. The fact that his fees are significantly higher than Stub Hub seals the deal.

Given the non-renewals that will occur, Fred has flushed a significant chunk of income from walk up purchases down the toilet.

The real fun will be watching him try to undercut his own season ticket holders selling on the secondary market in an effort to move his remaining inventory of tickets that he can't sell.

This upcoming season and probable price war will be interesting to watch.

[citifaithful]

I'd like to do a 40, but they haven't offered a Promenade Reserve option. Anyone think they will come around and offer it for 2010?

[nymdan]

There's no notch, but they'd block some really good seats if that pole moves. The pole is currently aligned perfectly with the aisle. Even a foot in either direction would be bad for those seats.
I'm sure it wouldn't be a hard job to add some seats to one section and then move the aisle over, though whether the Mets would spend the money to do that, I don't know.

[Aviator_Frank]

LOL . . . but the damn thing only makes an appearance after a home run, which in that park ain't too often.

A full-time logo would be nice.

[Swoboda4]

LOL . . . but the damn thing only makes an appearance after a home run, which in that park ain't too often.

A full-time logo would be nice.

I'm going to keep re-posting this until they put it up there! Still haven't seen a better suggestion.

[citimouse]

Ribant, or anyone else who might know, is the partial plan renewals being
All-or-Nothing for multiple plans something new?

I've had a Sat plan for years but last year was my first with two plans (Sat/Fri). I really want to drop the Friday plan next year, but this will make it impossible... which will be an absolute dealbreaker for me.

I sooooo hope this turns out to not be true!

[majorleads]

The scoreboard would look much nicer if they dumped the Aprielle whatever ads and made the video part bigger.

[Gary Dunaier]

There's no notch, but they'd block some really good seats if that pole moves. The pole is currently aligned perfectly with the aisle. Even a foot in either direction would be bad for those seats.

The right field foul pole may be aligned with the aisle in the "Pepsi Porch," but it's a diferent story downstairs in Right Field Reserved section 103, row 4 (the first row in that section), seat 1...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2492/3747264389_3804ecf2d6_b.jpg
(Photo taken July 21, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3747264389/).)

[JoseJoseJose7]

If you ask me i think fixing the bullpens was eminent i wanted to look into both bullpens anyway. The original idea was a bonehead decision in the first place. Next years Citi Field is going to be a complete 180 they need to work on keeping the place clean, louder speakers, more music, fireworks by the Pepsi Porch, and burn those ads my pops always makes this face when he sees those "bob furniture" ads and he works at willets points and has to see them quite alot LMAO.

[Ralf]

If you ask me i think fixing the bullpens was eminent i wanted to look into both bullpens anyway. The original idea was a bonehead decision in the first place. Next years Citi Field is going to be a complete 180 they need to work on keeping the place clean, louder speakers, more music, fireworks by the Pepsi Porch, and burn those ads my pops always makes this face when he sees those "bob furniture" ads and he works at willets points and has to see them quite alot LMAO.

More music? Must be a generational thing because I want LESS music and more true baseball noise.

[RICHIECOQUI]

Oh great now someone wants more music!! you more music bring a ipod!!

[Jim Vaz]

If you ask me i think fixing the bullpens was eminent i wanted to look into both bullpens anyway. The original idea was a bonehead decision in the first place. Next years Citi Field is going to be a complete 180 they need to work on keeping the place clean, louder speakers, more music, fireworks by the Pepsi Porch, and burn those ads my pops always makes this face when he sees those "bob furniture" ads and he works at willets points and has to see them quite alot LMAO.

1. Yes we can all pretty much agree the bullpens were a joke. Still won't have a verdict until we see the final result but the fact that the Mets saw this as an issue and having taken steps to fix it is a good thing.

2. I have to completely disagree with you on music and fireworks part though. First off there is already TOO much music and other artifical noise at the ballpark. We want less of that. More organ, less of the rap and pop music.
THis is NY, this is the Mets. I know the Mets have been cheesey in the past, but do we really needs fireworks?? That whole idea is silly. Were not Anaheim, we're not Philadelphia. We don't need fireworks after a home run or a win.

3. Agreed the ads are gaudy and tacky and take away from the nice lines of the park, but until we all sign a check to the Wilpons and hand it to them as advertising money, its not happening. The ads will remain.

[Mister B.]

I know someone (not here on BF) who is a 40-game plan holder in Prom Club. Bought it for the post-season rights. Yeah, right....

I mean, they are giving you every other playoff game.. why not in your seat?Anyways, those 40-game plans are crappy because neither one gets Opening Day, and they'll move you for the playoffs. IIRC, the cheapest ticket was in LF Reserve at an average of $50 per last season... too much for that location. I was tempted at a Prom Club package, and went with 2 15 game plans instead. Those gold and platinum games were WAY too expensive for my tastes.

I expect an invoice for 15 game plans to be sent just before Thanksgiving.

Actually, I found out the answer to this from my rep (all jokes about the Mets and playoff games aside):

The team is required to set aside blocks of tickets for possible post-season use by MLB. Therefore they can't sell those locations on a full-season basis as it would involve same-location playoff rights, but they can package them in partial plans with alternate-location playoff rights (or sell them game-by-game).

This was in answer to a question I had asked about why I was told last year that FST locations in Prom Club were completely sold out, but then these same locations would mysteriously become available later on.

[Kooos]

Ribant, or anyone else who might know, is the partial plan renewals being
All-or-Nothing for multiple plans something new?

I've had a Sat plan for years but last year was my first with two plans (Sat/Fri). I really want to drop the Friday plan next year, but this will make it impossible... which will be an absolute dealbreaker for me.

I sooooo hope this turns out to not be true!



I simply cannot fathom partial renewals being "all or nothing". IMO, that's a disgraceful strong arm tactic (if true).

If I was a multiple partial plan holder, I would non-renew all of my plans on sheer principle. I would then wait for the Mets to come begging or re-purchase the plan I actually want later on when they're desperate.

I'm non-renewing my FST's because I object to the 12/4 deadline. If my seats (or something better) are available after christmas.....I'll revisit the issue.

[Kooos]

Actually, I found out the answer to this from my rep (all jokes about the Mets and playoff games aside):

The team is required to set aside blocks of tickets for possible post-season use by MLB. Therefore they can't sell those locations on a full-season basis as it would involve same-location playoff rights, but they can package them in partial plans with alternate-location playoff rights (or sell them game-by-game).



I had a Sat plan back in 06, and I actually don't mind the alternate location thing. For the postseason, as long as I'm in the building I'm happy.

Of course, anyone would prefer their own seats.....but it's certainly not a dealbreaker (imo).

[Dishy24]

Dear Mets Season Ticket Holder:

Thank you again for your continued support of the Mets.

We pledged to provide our Season Ticket Holders, our most loyal fans, increased access and special offers for 2010. In that spirit, we invite you to join us for an exclusive "Behind the Scenes" tour of Citi Field (one invite per Season seat).

Mets front-office members will take you through the Mets Clubhouse, including the locker room, indoor batting cage and weight room. You will also sit in the Mets dugout and visit the press box and broadcast booths.

Tours will begin Thursday, December 3 and run through Sunday, December 13 (excluding Friday, December 4) with tour times available from 2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. during the week, plus 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. on weekends.

Please call us at (718) 507-TIXX to reserve your preferred tour date and time. Our representatives will be happy to assist you with any details or questions.

We hope you accept this invitation as a thank you for your ongoing support over the years. Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving.

Sincerely,
William Ianniciello
Vice President, Ticket Sales and Services

[Strawman]

The real fun will be watching him try to undercut his own season ticket holders selling on the secondary market in an effort to move his remaining inventory of tickets that he can't sell.

This upcoming season and probable price war will be interesting to watch.

The 'goose nailed it from a business standpoint...the way it's structured, the Mets are desperately adding 'value' (dugout tours in mid-winter) to STH package to try and shield from this growing conventional wisdom, but it won't fly. Gonna get ugly...

[supremebeing002]

I had never bought Mets tickets on Stub Hub prior to last season unless the game was a sell out. I always paid more as a walk up at the ticket window on game day. What Fred had wanted to do with the undersized new stadium was eliminate walk up traffic - and so he has. I'm never going to buy from Fred at face again if I can avoid it. Thanks to him, I've now gotten into the habit of expecting discounts from face. The fact that his fees are significantly higher than Stub Hub seals the deal.

Given the non-renewals that will occur, Fred has flushed a significant chunk of income from walk up purchases down the toilet.

The real fun will be watching him try to undercut his own season ticket holders selling on the secondary market in an effort to move his remaining inventory of tickets that he can't sell.




This upcoming season and probable price war will be interesting to watch.


And since I'm not renewing I'm glad that THIS time I'll be on the right side of the price war!

[Ralf]

Booked my tour.

[Kooos]

I think the early renewal deadline, along with the strict wording of the renewal letter, is designed to scare people into thinking there's demand for FST's and "they'd better renew or else on 12/5 they'll be on the outside looking in".

It'll be interesting to see how many people are suckered in by that, along with the added value stuff (like the tour) and the all or nothing plan renewals?

[dstoffa]

Actually, I found out the answer to this from my rep (all jokes about the Mets and playoff games aside):

The team is required to set aside blocks of tickets for possible post-season use by MLB. Therefore they can't sell those locations on a full-season basis as it would involve same-location playoff rights, but they can package them in partial plans with alternate-location playoff rights (or sell them game-by-game).

This was in answer to a question I had asked about why I was told last year that FST locations in Prom Club were completely sold out, but then these same locations would mysteriously become available later on.

I am well versed in the MLB tax on seating for post-season games, and how it increases with each round. I actually have friends who work for M L B dot COM, and they've told me all about it.

Thing that bugs me, is that the Yankees can offer 41-game plan holders full playoff rights (in their seats), and the Mets do not. (Mets used to offer full playoff rights in regular season seats for the old 'Weekday 55-game plan).

Maybe the plan has to be for 1/2-season plus 1 in order not to fall into the MLB tax category?

Cheers!
-Doug

[dstoffa]

I'd like to do a 40, but they haven't offered a Promenade Reserve option. Anyone think they will come around and offer it for 2010?

This was one of my gripes when plan details came out last year about this time...

15-game plans in affordable 400 and 500 level seating.
40-game plans ONLY in more expensive $50 and up level seating.

Since the Mets didn't offer 40-game plans in affordable seating, I balked.

Strange is this. You are probably better off buying an 81-game plan in PB, PR, or PRI instead of a 40-game plan in better seating. Your cost would be less, and you'd actually get your seats for the playoffs.

I mean, what is the advantage to buying a 40-game plan in expensive seating? I just don't see it.

I too, wonder if they will:

1. Open up other areas of the park to 15-game plans.
2. Open up other areas of the park to 40-game plans.

Me things the odds of #1 happening are better then #2.


Cheers!
-Doug

[Mister B.]

I think the early renewal deadline, along with the strict wording of the renewal letter, is designed to scare people into thinking there's demand for FST's and "they'd better renew or else on 12/5 they'll be on the outside looking in".

It'll be interesting to see how many people are suckered in by that, along with the added value stuff (like the tour) and the all or nothing plan renewals?

I agree with you about their approach.

Of course, any savvy buyer will realize that even in the best of times (which these aren't), they won't just cancel your account if they don't receive a timely payment. Suppose you mailed a check that got lost? They have to contact you first.

Secondly, as I had mentioned in an earlier post, the prospect of remitting a relatively small 20% deposit, which can be charged now and paid after the holidays, will appeal to a lot of people. Then, they've gotcha because the deposit is nonrefundable.

Look, they know demand will be down, but if they can convince people otherwise, that's what they're going to try to do. Play the hand they're dealt.

[GordonGecko]

The not having your same playoff seats for the 40-game plans is bizarre and the first I've heard about it. The holding back for MLB makes no sense because there's plenty of non-plan seats available for MLB. My understanding was that if you have a 40-game plan at Citi Field you were sharing a seat with another 40-game plan owner and you split the playoff games between you two in the same seats.

At Yankee stadium they divided it a different way. You could buy a 41-game plan that gave you every playoff game plus opening day. The other 40 games were sold to two 20-game plan owners who only got presale rights.

In any case, the 40-game plans at CF are the worst deal in sports. You can only buy the most expensive locations and you get half playoff rights, no opening day, and no presale for platinum games. Mets get an F-

[Gary Dunaier]

If you ask me i think fixing the bullpens was eminent i wanted to look into both bullpens anyway. The original idea was a bonehead decision in the first place. Next years Citi Field is going to be a complete 180 they need to work on keeping the place clean, louder speakers, more music, fireworks by the Pepsi Porch, and burn those ads my pops always makes this face when he sees those "bob furniture" ads and he works at willets points and has to see them quite alot LMAO.

And we're back on WBBF, your More Music station, where you've just heard Ottawan's "Hands Up," and before that it was Suzyn Waldman's version of the Toni Basil classic "Mickey," preceded by the extended disco mix of "Everybody Clap Your Hands." And now a word from the good people at Sterling Equities, then we'll kick it off with a commercial-free hour of more music more music more music right here on WBBF... :radio

[Gary Dunaier]

If STHs are allowed to bring a guest on these behind the scenes tours, and anyone here who's going (or planning to) isn't already inviting someone else, I'd like to get in on one of these tours... :pray:

[Ralf]

If STHs are allowed to bring a guest on these behind the scenes tours, and anyone here who's going (or planning to) isn't already inviting someone else, I'd like to get in on one of these tours... :pray:

I'll keep you in mind Gary. I have about 4 people I'm going to ask and if none take it, I'll give it to you.

[GordonGecko]

sloppy seconds for Gary! ;)

[GordonGecko]

Have you been trying forever to think of a good post to use with that microphone emoticon? :)

[robardin]

sloppy seconds for Gary! ;)

Didn't you have a crazy number of FSTs for 2009? You could take an entire elementary school class! :)

[tfc3rid]

Just checking to see if when you call to make arrangements for a tour, do you have commit to renewing?

[ribant]

I simply cannot fathom partial renewals being "all or nothing". IMO, that's a disgraceful strong arm tactic (if true).

If I was a multiple partial plan holder, I would non-renew all of my plans on sheer principle. I would then wait for the Mets to come begging or re-purchase the plan I actually want later on when they're desperate.

I'm non-renewing my FST's because I object to the 12/4 deadline. If my seats (or something better) are available after christmas.....I'll revisit the issue.

I was told by a rep (I don't have "my" rep, and I'm not sure why some of us have one and some don't) that a single invoice would be sent for all plans wiith the same account number and if you only wanted to renew some of the plans you could send in payment for the one(s) you want as long as you write a note indicating which are being dropped.

Then he went on to say that all changes will be handled as in the past - a seeming contradiction.

I am definately dropping my weekday and friday plans, and still am on the fence about renewing my sunday so I am curious how it will play out.

[metfan]

Dear Mets Season Ticket Holder:

Thank you again for your continued support of the Mets.

We pledged to provide our Season Ticket Holders, our most loyal fans, increased access and special offers for 2010. In that spirit, we invite you to join us for an exclusive "Behind the Scenes" tour of Citi Field (one invite per Season seat).

Mets front-office members will take you through the Mets Clubhouse, including the locker room, indoor batting cage and weight room. You will also sit in the Mets dugout and visit the press box and broadcast booths.

Tours will begin Thursday, December 3 and run through Sunday, December 13 (excluding Friday, December 4) with tour times available from 2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. during the week, plus 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. on weekends.

Please call us at (718) 507-TIXX to reserve your preferred tour date and time. Our representatives will be happy to assist you with any details or questions.

We hope you accept this invitation as a thank you for your ongoing support over the years. Best wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving.

Sincerely,
William Ianniciello
Vice President, Ticket Sales and Services

Just got off the phone with my rep and asked him why no tour Dec 4th since that day works best for me. He said cuz they need all hands on deck that day to handle the deluge rush of last-minute STH renewals! :rofl:

[Kooos]

I was told by a rep (I don't have "my" rep, and I'm not sure why some of us have one and some don't) that a single invoice would be sent for all plans wiith the same account number and if you only wanted to renew some of the plans you could send in payment for the one(s) you want as long as you write a note indicating which are being dropped.

Then he went on to say that all changes will be handled as in the past - a seeming contradiction.

I am definately dropping my weekday and friday plans, and still am on the fence about renewing my sunday so I am curious how it will play out.



That would seem to make more sense.

[Gary Dunaier]

Have you been trying forever to think of a good post to use with that microphone emoticon? :)

Have an Ivan Boesky check, Gordon... :hide:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m124/coinboynyc/BOESKYIVAN-1976-02-18a-2902-Bergdor.jpg

[Dishy24]

Didn't you have a crazy number of FSTs for 2009? You could take an entire elementary school class! :)

Haha- that's funny stuff-- So Gordon-D, if you are looking for an entire elementary school class to take, I'm sure Gavin's 4th grade class would love to go-- Although Gavin has already been in all of the places the tour includes! :shhh:

[Ralf]

Just checking to see if when you call to make arrangements for a tour, do you have commit to renewing?

Schedule your tour for Dec. 3rd. :highfive:

[dstoffa]

The not having your same playoff seats for the 40-game plans is bizarre and the first I've heard about it. The holding back for MLB makes no sense because there's plenty of non-plan seats available for MLB. My understanding was that if you have a 40-game plan at Citi Field you were sharing a seat with another 40-game plan owner and you split the playoff games between you two in the same seats.

At Yankee stadium they divided it a different way. You could buy a 41-game plan that gave you every playoff game plus opening day. The other 40 games were sold to two 20-game plan owners who only got presale rights.

In any case, the 40-game plans at CF are the worst deal in sports. You can only buy the most expensive locations and you get half playoff rights, no opening day, and no presale for platinum games. Mets get an F-

GG,

The 40-game plans NEVER offered regular season seats for the playoffs. That was another reason NOT to buy it when they were offered a year ago. I had thought about a 40-game plan in PC seating, and was close.. but when I read the 'alternate location for the playoffs' BS, that was it. I mean, they could shove me out in LF for the post-season? Come on.. No way. For the money I'd save NOT having to buy the 40-game plan, I'd just pay the premium on the secondary market if I really had to see additional playoff games (that I wouldn't get in a pre-sale).

To sum it up, as a 40-game plan holder, you get:
1. No Opening Day :banghead:
2. No cheap / affordable location :banghead:
3. No Pre-Sale for Platinum games :banghead:
4. Every other playoff game, in an alternate location :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I see no compelling reason to even CONSIDER the plan. As I posted earlier, you'd be better off buying a Full-Season in 405 / 424. You'd get all four Platinum games, Prom Club Access, and your seats for the playoffs instead of buying a 40-game plan anywhere else in the ballpark, and you'd probably pay less.

I second your motion that the 40-game plans are the worst deal in town.

A 41-game plan in the Grandstand at NYS must be THE plan to have....

Cheers!
-Doug

[johnql]

I just made my tour reservation. For anyone interested in the details:

The tour will last approx. 1 hour. The tours begin at 10-min intervals. Each tour group will be 25-35 people.

Enter via the VIP First Base entrance. Standard security check, same prohibited items as a game. Have ID w/ Mets account number handy. Dress appropriately for indoor/outdoor with comfortable walking shoes. No fee for the tour or parking. Parking on 126th St & Roosevelt. Still photos allowed, no video.

[robardin]

I just made my tour reservation. For anyone interested in the details:

The tour will last approx. 1 hour. The tours begin at 10-min intervals. Each tour group will be 25-35 people.

Enter via the VIP First Base entrance. Standard security check, same prohibited items as a game. Have ID w/ Mets account number handy. Dress appropriately for indoor/outdoor with comfortable walking shoes. No fee for the tour or parking. Parking on 126th St & Roosevelt. Still photos allowed, no video.

FWIW, the person I spoke with said we could park for free in the Officials Parking Lot (by the 1B VIP entrance).

[johnql]

FWIW, the person I spoke with said we could park for free in the Officials Parking Lot (by the 1B VIP entrance).

That's good to know. My rep didn't mention that.

[robardin]

Just checking to see if when you call to make arrangements for a tour, do you have commit to renewing?

I just booked a tour for 12/12 which is well after the 12/4 "deadline" and I've already told them I'm not renewing.

I have told them I'm open to getting a plan in other very specific locations, to which they replied, "we'll see after 12/4". Given the way most people here are talking I'd say it's at least 50% likely I'll have a plan of some kind on 12/12. But certainly a non-zero chance that I won't.

All the same, I think I'm in for bringing my account number and photo ID. After all this is as much a thank-you for putting up with 2009 as it is to get stoked for 2010, isn't it? (Not that touring an empty press box in December is likely to get me "stoked" unless they're also having a press conference announcing the arrival of Mr. H[ao]lliday, even though I do think the tour should be pretty cool.)

[robardin]

That's good to know. My rep didn't mention that.

Well that is the lot that's on 126th and Roosevelt, isn't it? And you're not allowed to park curbside, as far as I know. So maybe it was implied.

[johnql]

After all this is as much a thank-you for putting up with 2009 as it is to get stoked for 2010, isn't it? (Not that touring an empty press box in December is likely to get me "stoked" unless they're also having a press conference announcing the arrival of Mr. H[ao]lliday, even though I do think the tour should be pretty cool.)
That's exactly how I'm viewing the tour.

[johnql]

There's a chance that the Mets will be offering tours of Citi Field, starting next summer. No details yet. We'll just have to see how it pans out.

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2009-11-18/Front_Page/Mets_Flushing_BID_Offer_Internships_To_College_Stu .html

Here's the pertinent part of the article:

"On Friday, November 13, New York Mets Vice President for Marketing and Business Partnerships David Newman joined Flushing Business Improvement District (BID) Executive Director Mabel Law and a number of prominent members of the Asian business community in Flushing to announce that beginning in summer 2010, the Mets organization would offer summer internships at Citi Field to college students living in Queens who are starting their junior or senior year. Interns will work with the New York Mets marketing and business partnership department and will learn about guest relations, event planning at the new stadium and about baseball as well as give tours of the stadium [my bold]."

[peterrod16]

via Metsblog

This afternoon, I visited a Mets Clubhouse Shop and I spoke to the salesperson regarding the new home jerseys for 2010.

The jersey’s have arrived at the store and according to the salesperson, the Mets will be introducing a new, cream colored and pinstriped jersey for the 2010 season, and the jersey is expected to go on sale November 27.

As Matt said earlier this week, the new jersey resembles the one worn by the Mets in the 1960s, and the team will be eliminating their current white pinstriped jersey with the black shadow.

…you can now get an authentic pinstriped jersey with the Citi Field Inaugural Season patch on sale for $90, which i don’t think is such a bad deal…

In addition, the jersey will be a “Cool Base” model, which is the new mesh jerseys that teams have been wearing for the last few seasons, and the same material that is used for all batting practice jerseys.

my comments
November 27th is black friday smart day to release the uniforms.
Next step start changing the color of the walls to blue or green

[exerciseguy]

Like the NEW throwback uniforms & I like the wall color just the way it is.

[yankies4life]

via Metsblog

This afternoon, I visited a Mets Clubhouse Shop and I spoke to the salesperson regarding the new home jerseys for 2010.

The jersey’s have arrived at the store and according to the salesperson, the Mets will be introducing a new, cream colored and pinstriped jersey for the 2010 season, and the jersey is expected to go on sale November 27.

As Matt said earlier this week, the new jersey resembles the one worn by the Mets in the 1960s, and the team will be eliminating their current white pinstriped jersey with the black shadow.

…you can now get an authentic pinstriped jersey with the Citi Field Inaugural Season patch on sale for $90, which i don’t think is such a bad deal…

In addition, the jersey will be a “Cool Base” model, which is the new mesh jerseys that teams have been wearing for the last few seasons, and the same material that is used for all batting practice jerseys.

my comments
November 27th is black friday smart day to release the uniforms.
Next step start changing the color of the walls to blue or green

thats actually a great deal. thats how much yankee jerseys were last year at the clubhouse stores after the season ended. i thought they would do it this year because of the patch but theyre not going on sale cause they won the world series

[PA_Mets_Fan]

That's exactly how I'm viewing the tour.

So you can still go on the tour even if you aren't renewing your season tickets? And if so is it going to be like one of those "free vacations" where they try and sell you a timeshare? :noidea

[JoseJoseJose7]

So a guy hits a homerun and what do u want complete silence? I want it to get loud in Citi Field as much as you guys do...i mean beltran himself says he likes the pressure. Okay no fireworks i get it were by an airport for god sakes. Maybe more Lights then?
is it just me or has Mr. Met not been interactive on the field as well like i mean the damn phanatic rides around on an ATV poppin wheelies and we can barely get the best mascot in baseball to dance ontop of the dugout every now and then.

[johnql]

So you can still go on the tour even if you aren't renewing your season tickets? And if so is it going to be like one of those "free vacations" where they try and sell you a timeshare? :noidea

I assume there will be some sort of sales pitch, similar to the tours that were conducted last winter. I'm pretty sure there's no requirement that you renew in order to get the tour. After all, they're starting the tours on Dec 3, which is before the payment deadline. I made my reservation today and I haven't renewed yet.

[BayonneMetsfan]

Hey I like the orange and blue stairwells. I say take it a step further and spraypaint over the entire exterior facade to make it look like a giant replica 1986 home uniform :rofl::rofl::rolleyes::p

[Gary Dunaier]

is it just me or has Mr. Met not been interactive on the field as well like i mean the damn phanatic rides around on an ATV poppin wheelies and we can barely get the best mascot in baseball to dance ontop of the dugout every now and then.

Mr. Met makes regular appearances in the Mets Fan Fest area during each game, so it's easier to meet him and get a photo with him than it was at Shea.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3985333959_2e14c52fcd_b.jpg
(Photo taken October 4, 2009. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14504460@N02/3985333959/).)

[mets16]

They need to either cover up the back of the kiddie field scoreboard, or make an official spot to take pictures with a better backdrop than the back of the scoreboard. Maybe make the official "Meet Mr. Met here" sign on the back of the board with interchangeable times.

[RayNY]

is it just me or has Mr. Met not been interactive on the field as well like i mean the damn phanatic rides around on an ATV poppin wheelies and we can barely get the best mascot in baseball to dance ontop of the dugout every now and then.

And what, you want that? I'm glad Mr. Met doesn't resort to all that silly clowning around that the Philly Phanatic and other mascots do. That's why I like Mr. Met so much. Because he's the best mascot in the MLB without doing anything but showing up and waving his hand. He's dignified. The Phanatic is retarded.

[nymdan]

There's a chance that the Mets will be offering tours of Citi Field, starting next summer. No details yet. We'll just have to see how it pans out.

http://www.qgazette.com/news/2009-11-18/Front_Page/Mets_Flushing_BID_Offer_Internships_To_College_Stu .html

Here's the pertinent part of the article:

"On Friday, November 13, New York Mets Vice President for Marketing and Business Partnerships David Newman joined Flushing Business Improvement District (BID) Executive Director Mabel Law and a number of prominent members of the Asian business community in Flushing to announce that beginning in summer 2010, the Mets organization would offer summer internships at Citi Field to college students living in Queens who are starting their junior or senior year. Interns will work with the New York Mets marketing and business partnership department and will learn about guest relations, event planning at the new stadium and about baseball as well as give tours of the stadium [my bold]."
It's also possible that they mean give tours to potential employees, etc. I'd think that if they had a paid tour, it wouldn't be given by college interns.

[Flushing Roots]

I assume there will be some sort of sales pitch, similar to the tours that were conducted last winter. I'm pretty sure there's no requirement that you renew in order to get the tour. After all, they're starting the tours on Dec 3, which is before the payment deadline. I made my reservation today and I haven't renewed yet.You have more than enough ammo from this thread over the past year to ward off any and all "time share-like" sales pitches from the NYM. I'm sure they are viewing all participants in this as potential STHs so they are not going to split hairs on whether you are renewing or not. I'm definitley going from FST to a 15 game Saturday plan (already told my rep) and I will be on one of those tours.:shhh::shhh::shhh:

[Flushing Roots]

sloppy seconds for Gary! ;)Heard it's a wrap for Wall St. II, GG! Good luck at the premiere!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[tomkaz]

i know that pnc park does offer tours, i missed out this year but will be doing it next season!!!


http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/pit/ballpark/tours.jsp


The Pittsburgh Pirates invite you to tour PNC Park, the home of the Bucs. PNC Park is located on Pittsburgh's North Shore along the Allegheny River, in a street block between Federal Street, General Robinson Street and Mazeroski Way. Our interactive tour will give guests a broad view of the 38,000-seat facility with its classic view of the city's picturesque skyline. The Pirates will provide a one-of-a-kind tour of what is the BEST BALLPARK in AMERICA.


Schedule Tour Notes Tickets Payment Groups

Lunch Program Directions Parking Contact Information



2009 TOUR SCHEDULE:

THE LAST DAY OF TOURS IS SEPTEMBER 17, 2009.
Saturday dates: May 30, June 13 and 27, July 18, August 22, September 5
(All dates, times, and areas are subject to change without notice)


TIMES:

10 a.m., noon, 2 p.m. on day when there are no games; Mon-Fri.
10 a.m. and noon on days when there is an evening game; Mon-Fri.
10 a.m., 11 a.m., and noon on one Saturday per month.
No Tours are given on days of afternoon games, holidays, special events or on Sundays.
The tour will take you through all areas of this ultimate ballpark. We will combine baseball facts and Pirates fun to make your tour an exciting one! Some of the attractions you may visit during this comprehensive tour include:
Pirates Dugout & Warning Track
Batting Cages
Pittsburgh Baseball Club Level
Press Box
Tour Theatre & Museum
Highmark Legacy Square

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TOUR NOTES:
Tour lasts approximately 90 minutes; however, please allow yourself 2 hours to be at the ballpark.
This is a walking tour (approximately 1.5 miles), so please dress accordingly.
Tours are wheelchair and stroller accessible.
Wheelchairs are available for your use upon request. Please call ahead: (412) 325-4700.
Cameras and video cameras are permitted.
ALL tours begin at the Willie Stargell Statue Gate (located on Federal St.)

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TICKET INFORMATION:

2009 PNC Park Tour Ticket Prices:
Adult $7.00
Senior (55+) $5.00
Child/Student $5.00
Child (5 + under) FREE
Groups (25 or more people) $5.00*
If you are taking a tour as an individual, family, or group smaller than 25, you may purchase your tickets at the Main Ticket Window, which is on the corners of Federal and General Robinson St.

All Tickets are non-exchangeable and non-refundable.

For more information, please call our Tour Hotline at (412) 325-4700
or e-mail us at pncparktours@pirates.com.

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PAYMENT:

Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express cards are accepted. Cash and checks are also accepted, but only at the Main Box Office.

[ Back to top ]




GROUP TOURS:

Group tours will be offered for organizations with 25-200 persons. Schools and organizations with more than 50 persons may be divided into smaller groups to ensure all members of the group enjoy the tour. The maximum number per group is 200 persons.

*Groups of 25 or more receive the group discount rate of $5 per person, with a waiver for 1 chaperone per 12 students.

Group tours must make a reservation and must be paid in full 10 days prior to the scheduled tour or the tour is subject to cancellation. You can call (412) 325-4700 or e-mail pncparktours@pirates.com to check availability and to make reservations. There are no refunds for cancellations, the tour can be rescheduled. Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express cards are accepted along with checks.

You may also download the Tour Request Form to make your reservation.

[robardin]

They need to either cover up the back of the kiddie field scoreboard, ...

Well they can't very well put a big Budweiser ad on the back of the Kiddie Field scoreboard like they did with the real one, eh?

[robardin]

More music? Must be a generational thing because I want LESS music and more true baseball noise.

We want a constant stream of music, like that other pastime involving watching guys run around jumping and throwing and hitting things for hours on end. You know, Super Mario Brothers. It's only too bad we can find a way to synchronize sound effects with events on the field, like a little "ba-ding!" sound whenever an outfielder leaps to catch a ball, or "bzz-zz--zz--zzzzz!" when a high fly ball is hit.

[thrill5one6]

Wow behind the scenes tour? That would be a treat . Only for STH?

[LI METS FAN]

The Times has an article today that Danny Meyer is bidding on putting a Shake Shack in Boston at the Boston Commons park. Not sure if Boston would approve of a NY institution invading its Commons. We'd all approve of a Shake Shack addition in the Promenade area though.

[Flushing Roots]

I'm in for Saturday, December 5th @ 2:30 PM! Any of you fine ladies or gentlemen gonna be on that tour? Be nice to match the faces with the diatribes! :eek::eek::eek:

[robardin]

I'm going Saturday 12/12 @ 2:30pm with my brother-in-law.

[StadiumPage]

i know that pnc park does offer tours, i missed out this year but will be doing it next season!!!


http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/pit/ballpark/tours.jsp


The Pittsburgh Pirates invite you to tour PNC Park, the home of the Bucs. PNC Park is located on Pittsburgh's North Shore along the Allegheny River, in a street block between Federal Street, General Robinson Street and Mazeroski Way. Our interactive tour will give guests a broad view of the 38,000-seat facility with its classic view of the city's picturesque skyline. The Pirates will provide a one-of-a-kind tour of what is the BEST BALLPARK in AMERICA.


Schedule Tour Notes Tickets Payment Groups

Lunch Program Directions Parking Contact Information



2009 TOUR SCHEDULE:

THE LAST DAY OF TOURS IS SEPTEMBER 17, 2009.
Saturday dates: May 30, June 13 and 27, July 18, August 22, September 5
(All dates, times, and areas are subject to change without notice)


TIMES:

10 a.m., noon, 2 p.m. on day when there are no games; Mon-Fri.
10 a.m. and noon on days when there is an evening game; Mon-Fri.
10 a.m., 11 a.m., and noon on one Saturday per month.
No Tours are given on days of afternoon games, holidays, special events or on Sundays.
The tour will take you through all areas of this ultimate ballpark. We will combine baseball facts and Pirates fun to make your tour an exciting one! Some of the attractions you may visit during this comprehensive tour include:
Pirates Dugout & Warning Track
Batting Cages
Pittsburgh Baseball Club Level
Press Box
Tour Theatre & Museum
Highmark Legacy Square

[ Back to top ]


TOUR NOTES:
Tour lasts approximately 90 minutes; however, please allow yourself 2 hours to be at the ballpark.
This is a walking tour (approximately 1.5 miles), so please dress accordingly.
Tours are wheelchair and stroller accessible.
Wheelchairs are available for your use upon request. Please call ahead: (412) 325-4700.
Cameras and video cameras are permitted.
ALL tours begin at the Willie Stargell Statue Gate (located on Federal St.)

[ Back to top ]


TICKET INFORMATION:

2009 PNC Park Tour Ticket Prices:
Adult $7.00
Senior (55+) $5.00
Child/Student $5.00
Child (5 + under) FREE
Groups (25 or more people) $5.00*
If you are taking a tour as an individual, family, or group smaller than 25, you may purchase your tickets at the Main Ticket Window, which is on the corners of Federal and General Robinson St.

All Tickets are non-exchangeable and non-refundable.

For more information, please call our Tour Hotline at (412) 325-4700
or e-mail us at pncparktours@pirates.com.

[ Back to top ]




PAYMENT:

Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express cards are accepted. Cash and checks are also accepted, but only at the Main Box Office.

[ Back to top ]




GROUP TOURS:

Group tours will be offered for organizations with 25-200 persons. Schools and organizations with more than 50 persons may be divided into smaller groups to ensure all members of the group enjoy the tour. The maximum number per group is 200 persons.

*Groups of 25 or more receive the group discount rate of $5 per person, with a waiver for 1 chaperone per 12 students.

Group tours must make a reservation and must be paid in full 10 days prior to the scheduled tour or the tour is subject to cancellation. You can call (412) 325-4700 or e-mail pncparktours@pirates.com to check availability and to make reservations. There are no refunds for cancellations, the tour can be rescheduled. Visa, MasterCard, Discover, and American Express cards are accepted along with checks.

You may also download the Tour Request Form to make your reservation.


PNC tour was pretty good. I took it in 2006 when the Mets were trying to clinch there. Went into the hitting cages, onto the warning track, dugout, press box, lux boxes etc. Unlike the Yankee Stadium tours they weren't rushing and yelling at you. Plenty of time to take pictures and stuff. Highly recommended.

[Gary Dunaier]

The Pittsburgh Pirates invite you to tour PNC Park, the home of the Bucs.

[snipped]

Cameras and video cameras are permitted.

So how come the Pirates allow video cameras but they're taboo in New York?

[whoisonit]

So how come the Pirates allow video cameras but they're taboo in New York?

Pittsburg has not been attacked by islamic terrorists. Any tri state venue where large crowds of 'infidels' gather would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us. That, sadly, is the reality of living in a September 12th world.

[tfc3rid]

If the Mets had to charge for a tour, I'd probably cost like $30. LOL

[dstoffa]

I'm definitley going from FST to a 15 game Saturday plan (already told my rep) and I will be on one of those tours.:shhh::shhh::shhh:

Did your rep mention the club possibly opening up other areas of the park to 15-game plans?

[GordonGecko]

You have more than enough ammo from this thread over the past year to ward off any and all "time share-like" sales pitches from the NYM. I'm sure they are viewing all participants in this as potential STHs so they are not going to split hairs on whether you are renewing or not. I'm definitley going from FST to a 15 game Saturday plan (already told my rep) and I will be on one of those tours.:shhh::shhh::shhh:

Let's review and keep notes. The top-10 script goes something like this:
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Why should I buy Mets season tickets? I can't think of a single reason to lock myself in.

1) I have no price advantage over Joe Sixpack who walks off the street and buys one game. I buy every single game in bulk, and I don't get any sort of discount? You're the only team in pro sports that treats their season ticket holders so badly. Yeah you waive extra ticket fees, but that's what other teams do anyways.

2) Whatever price I pay, I know from experience that you'll offer large discounts (25%+) throughout the season in flushing flash newsletters or through other marketing outlets. Why shouldn't I just wait it out?

3) Your prices are way too high. Even if the upper deck seats are affordable, your lower level seats are so out of whack that those season ticket holders dump them below cost and that dominoes down to my tickets where I can only get pennies on the dollar for the seats I resell. Who can go to 81 games?

4) Same seating location doesn't mean anything any more, tickets are available in all areas on stubhub for below face value! Plus if I use bing cashback I get 25% off

5) I don't get any real presale benefits. You lock us out from getting extra opening day or subway series tickets. The Yankees allow you to buy 4 tickets to any and all "platinum games", the least the Mets could do is offer the same.

6) Why should I worry about playoff rights? The Mets haven't made it since 2006 and the team keeps getting worse every year. If the Mets are in contention, I'll consider a plan mid-season to lock up playoff rights because I know you'll be offering pro-rated plans throughout the season. Why should I be a sucker and put down right away when I can pay less later for more of a sure thing?

7) Ownership has gotten very cheap. You're not signing your draft picks to save a few tens of thousands, you didn't make any trades before the trade deadline, and I haven't seen any offseason movement on getting new talent on the team. This is looking like same old Mets all over again.

8) Advance event offers are worthless. For the so-called advance presale of the Paul McCartney concert, anyone with an American Express card could have bought tickets as the same time as us. You have a history of screwing us over on concerts. In 2008, you sold us "Last Play at Shea" on a Thursday night and then added another concert AFTER the "last play". WTF?? Then you give us a UFL game presale but tickets were widely available to the public and you then even cancelled the game on us with no real explanation.

9) Reserved parking has gotten way too expensive and is very inflexible. You make me pay for 81 games at $19 per game. $19 is too much to begin with, but at LEAST you could give me a bulk discount. What is it with you people, don't you get retail pricing? And why shouldn't I be able to pick the games I want parking for. Sometimes I take the subway or share a ride, and I don't go to all the games

10) Access to Platinum games isn't so hard to get. I don't need season tickets to get them because I know at worst I just have to wait for an opening day pack or a subway series pack. But I've also found that I can win by entering ticket opportunity lotteries or waiting for you to release tickets last minute

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

[GordonGecko]

Pittsburg has not been attacked by islamic terrorists. Any tri state venue where large crowds of 'infidels' gather would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us. That, sadly, is the reality of living in a September 12th world.
True, if people were allowed to bring in video cameras the public would see what the place looks like inside. It's best to make sure no one knows. I imagine it looks like a shopping mall with patio chairs. For you insiders, am I close? In the interest of national security, you don't have to answer :shhh: Stay safe my friends

[dstoffa]

Let's review and keep notes. The top-10 script goes something like this:
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Why should I buy Mets season tickets? I can't think of a single reason to lock myself in.

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

GG,

I have to agree with everything you've posted.

How big a discount do you think is required to persuade the average Joe to re-up on FSTs? Or do you think that the suckiness of this club, and the lack of other perks makes any discount moot?

Cheers!
-Doug

[tfc3rid]

GG,

I have to agree with everything you've posted.

How big a discount do you think is required to persuade the average Joe to re-up on FSTs? Or do you think that the suckiness of this club, and the lack of other perks makes any discount moot?

Cheers!
-Doug

I'd say 15% for Prom seats, 25% for down below off rack price... Comparable to other ballclubs...

[whoisonit]

True, if people were allowed to bring in video cameras the public would see what the place looks like inside. It's best to make sure no one knows. I imagine it looks like a shopping mall with patio chairs. For you insiders, am I close? In the interest of national security, you don't have to answer :shhh: Stay safe my friends

Another useless post.

[GordonGecko]

Another useless post.
Oh right, because your post was full of insight. Do you even know what message board you're on? This is the place where every single Citi Field blueprint and corridor was painstakingly photographed from the second a shovel went into the ground to completion and posted in high resolution over thousands of posts. Saying that video would endanger us is baseless fear mongering. The stills are just as "dangerous" and are completely permitted. There's no reason to ban video cameras except that the Mets don't want competition for their DVDs

[whoisonit]

Oh right, because your post was full of insight. Do you even know what message board you're on? This is the place where every single Citi Field blueprint and corridor was painstakingly photographed from the second a shovel went into the ground to completion and posted in high resolution over thousands of posts. Saying that video would endanger us is baseless fear mongering. The stills are just as "dangerous" and are completely permitted. There's no reason to ban video cameras except that the Mets don't want competition for their DVDs

As usual, you have a muddled thought process. He didn't ask, nor was any question about a message board, or the internet, raised. But something like that would never stop you from being a windbag.

[tomzpc]

Let's review and keep notes. The top-10 script goes something like this:
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Why should I buy Mets season tickets? I can't think of a single reason to lock myself in.

1) I have no price advantage over Joe Sixpack who walks off the street and buys one game. I buy every single game in bulk, and I don't get any sort of discount? You're the only team in pro sports that treats their season ticket holders so badly. Yeah you waive extra ticket fees, but that's what other teams do anyways.

2) Whatever price I pay, I know from experience that you'll offer large discounts (25%+) throughout the season in flushing flash newsletters or through other marketing outlets. Why shouldn't I just wait it out?

3) Your prices are way too high. Even if the upper deck seats are affordable, your lower level seats are so out of whack that those season ticket holders dump them below cost and that dominoes down to my tickets where I can only get pennies on the dollar for the seats I resell. Who can go to 81 games?

4) Same seating location doesn't mean anything any more, tickets are available in all areas on stubhub for below face value! Plus if I use bing cashback I get 25% off

5) I don't get any real presale benefits. You lock us out from getting extra opening day or subway series tickets. The Yankees allow you to buy 4 tickets to any and all "platinum games", the least the Mets could do is offer the same.

6) Why should I worry about playoff rights? The Mets haven't made it since 2006 and the team keeps getting worse every year. If the Mets are in contention, I'll consider a plan mid-season to lock up playoff rights because I know you'll be offering pro-rated plans throughout the season. Why should I be a sucker and put down right away when I can pay less later for more of a sure thing?

7) Ownership has gotten very cheap. You're not signing your draft picks to save a few tens of thousands, you didn't make any trades before the trade deadline, and I haven't seen any offseason movement on getting new talent on the team. This is looking like same old Mets all over again.

8) Advance event offers are worthless. For the so-called advance presale of the Paul McCartney concert, anyone with an American Express card could have bought tickets as the same time as us. You have a history of screwing us over on concerts. In 2008, you sold us "Last Play at Shea" on a Thursday night and then added another concert AFTER the "last play". WTF?? Then you give us a UFL game presale but tickets were widely available to the public and you then even cancelled the game on us with no real explanation.

9) Reserved parking has gotten way too expensive and is very inflexible. You make me pay for 81 games at $19 per game. $19 is too much to begin with, but at LEAST you could give me a bulk discount. What is it with you people, don't you get retail pricing? And why shouldn't I be able to pick the games I want parking for. Sometimes I take the subway or share a ride, and I don't go to all the games

10) Access to Platinum games isn't so hard to get. I don't need season tickets to get them because I know at worst I just have to wait for an opening day pack or a subway series pack. But I've also found that I can win by entering ticket opportunity lotteries or waiting for you to release tickets last minute

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Well written! GG, mind if I send this off to my rep?

[GordonGecko]

Well written! GG, mind if I send this off to my rep?
Yeah by all means dissect and add/remove whatever your gripes and send to whoever you want. That's just my analysis of why it doesn't make any sense to be a Mets season ticket holder right now. And I didn't include any cheap shots like Minaya is an incompetent bafoon, rainbow game pricing with 250 price points is retarded, CF is a shrine to the Dodgers and they treated Doc Gooden like crap, Mets have no power hitters, the fences are too high, Castillo is way overpaid, etc, etc...

If you want to complain about partial plans you can easily fill in the blanks (not getting every weekend + having to buy weekday games, no opening day or same playoff seats or cheap locations with 40-game plans, etc...)

[Kooos]

Yeah.....I might use that myself.

[tfc3rid]

GG... Excellent...

[dabigyankeeman]

There's no reason to ban video cameras except that the Mets don't want competition for their DVDs

Thats exactly right, thats the reason they try to keep video cameras out of most places like stadiums, concerts, etc.

[Gary Dunaier]

As usual, you have a muddled thought process. He didn't ask, nor was any question about a message board, or the internet, raised. But something like that would never stop you from being a windbag.

I asked why Pittsburg allowed videos on their tours and the Mets won't.

Your reply: the Mets "would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us."

Gordon dismissed your response because "every single Citi Field blueprint and corridor was painstakingly photographed from the second a shovel went into the ground to completion" and many of those images are publicly available. Gordon's point was not that the images are publicly available on the Internet, but that they're publicly available, period.

Gordon may be a "windbag," as you describe it... but it's my opinion that the wind he blows (so to speak) is not merely hot air.

[supremebeing002]

Love it! This is how revolutions are started :)

[Don_Taco]

Pittsburg has not been attacked by islamic terrorists. Any tri state venue where large crowds of 'infidels' gather would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us. That, sadly, is the reality of living in a September 12th world.
wow. there's no way that's the reason.

sorry for butting in on your thread here guys, but this kind of thinking drives me crazy.

[mets16]

Pittsburg has not been attacked by islamic terrorists. Any tri state venue where large crowds of 'infidels' gather would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us. That, sadly, is the reality of living in a September 12th world.

Well, not really. The Cubs allow video cameras at the GAMES, and they are one of the Country's largest cities. It is a matter of business, something you don't seem to understand. The Mets want you to buy as much Citi Field merchandise as possible, and with you having your own copy of it, negates you from buying a 20 dollar DVD, etc. Besides they are on a tour. You can see everything even if the Muslims went to a game. They aren't going to show you the control room, the security room. Is showing people the dugout, a luxury suite and the warning track to season ticket holders going to trigger a terrorist attack? Get real.

[Flushing Roots]

On target, GG! As usual!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Flushing Roots]

Did your rep mention the club possibly opening up other areas of the park to 15-game plans?Negative...:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[RayNY]

As a New Yorker, you can not think that 9/11 did not have anything to do with the extra security measures in terms of video cameras at large public venues.

[Strawman]

Pittsburg has not been attacked by islamic terrorists. Any tri state venue where large crowds of 'infidels' gather would be foolish to allow unrestricted photo and video documentation that could be used in the planning of further attacks against us. That, sadly, is the reality of living in a September 12th world.

At least the Mets don't use the '9/12 world' thing to stage a lengthy patriotic sing-in whose real purpose is to psyche out the opposing pitcher before the bottom of the 7th!

And btw, in this town - all Mets fans are infidels, bub.

[ribant]

And btw, in this town - all Mets fans are infidels, bub.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::cap::cap::cap:

[Gary Dunaier]

I will go to the Citi Field in 2010.

Probably.

[nymdan]

I will go to the Citi Field in 2010.

Probably.
I will see the Gary taking pictures of the new bull pen configuration at the Citi Field Ball Park in 2010.

[ribant]

The Mets Fan Club for Kids has put the ticket voucher back into the package. It's good for two tickets to any M-Th game except OD and he May Phillies series.

[SteveJRogers]

Got Paul McCartney's album Good Evening New York City. The two-disc set is fine, although the in-between song chatter is gone. Real bummer, haven't checked out the DVD portion yet.

Has some good interspersing of Citi and Shea 1965 images inside the fold of the CD case.

[robardin]

Did they ever come out with a DVD (preferably Blu-Ray) set for Billy Joel's "Last Play At Shea"? Now THAT'S something I want to get!

[yankies4life]

Did they ever come out with a DVD (preferably Blu-Ray) set for Billy Joel's "Last Play At Shea"? Now THAT'S something I want to get!

I'm still waiting on that too! I thought I heard they were making a documentary about it but i havent heard anything in a while about it. Im not sure if im gonna wait til around christmas to pick up the mccartney dvd and cd or get it soon. i gotta see

[tugger]

Speaking of shows, Springsteen's shows featuring full albums have been outstanding! Caught "BTR" here in Cleveland, downloaded "Wild and Innocent" and "The River" from MSG, "Darkness" and "USA" from the Spectrum. Sunday the tour ends in Buffalo with the only playing of "Greetings from Asbury Park." Kills me that I have to work that night.

I know, way, way off topic. Sorry. Plus, what the bleep's a "Speedball"?

[njmeadowlanders]

Found this on another board...looks like they're in the process of "Metsing" up the stairwells...

Really tacky (especially for a park like this) but if it's kept to the stairwells then who really cares?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/2144764340104961842tdtm.jpg

[robardin]

Plus, what the bleep's a "Speedball"?
Well despite the lyrics talking about meeting a former baseball player in a bar, it's not a synonym for a fastball or a highball; it's a mix of heroin and cocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)).

[JohnCropp]

Found this on another board...looks like they're in the process of "Metsing" up the stairwells...

Really tacky (especially for a park like this) but if it's kept to the stairwells then who really cares?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/2144764340104961842tdtm.jpg

I like it. It's just a stairwell.

[Jim Vaz]

Found this on another board...looks like they're in the process of "Metsing" up the stairwells...

Really tacky (especially for a park like this) but if it's kept to the stairwells then who really cares?

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/2144764340104961842tdtm.jpg

Well thats the thing, if its just the stairwells its fine. Seeing how the park is already, I just really don't even see them doing it anywhere else. it would just be a complete clash from shiny painted walls to nice looking brick facade.

[headshoes]

GG is right on point again.. kind of like that game WHACK-A-MOLE!


I emailed my rep.. telling him, that I am not the author the top 10 (truthful) list of why not to renew and that I know he can not change things.. but hopefully he can pass it along to someone who can...

[Gary Dunaier]

Got Paul McCartney's album Good Evening New York City. The two-disc set is fine, although the in-between song chatter is gone. Real bummer, haven't checked out the DVD portion yet.

That's the audio CDs you're referring to. The set consists of two audio CDs and one DVD.

I was also disappointed that they took out McCartney's between-song chatter, especially since some of it was specifically relevant to the venue. I also didn't like that the crowd noise is practically non-existant during the songs, you only hear it in between the songs and during the "audience participation" bit in "Hey Jude," where Paul has the audience sing along on the "na-na na-na, Hey Jude" chorus. From a sound aspect, it had more of a "soundcheck" feel than a "live concert" feel.

You'll enjoy the DVD portion. I've just skimmed through it, I haven't watched it straight through from start to finish, but there are some nice Citi Field shots in there - there are shots of the "Citi Field" sign in center field lit up, and I even noticed some wide shots where you can see the left field wall, including the retired numbers.

The fourth disc, a DVD included in a package only available at Beast Buy, has Paul's appearance on top of the Late Show With David Letterman marquee - as such, it's irrelevant in the context of this thread, except to point out the irony that a nearby billboard for Yankee Stadium is prominently visible in the background of many wide shots.

Also on the fourth disc is an 8-minute "documentary" of scenes shot by fans who were given "Flip" video cameras - worth watching maybe once every few years or so, but it's interesting to note that a couple of the fan shots were from McCartney's show at Fenway Park.

The last item on the fourth disc is the complete, unedited performance of "I'm Down" from Citi Field. On the "actual" DVD, the one sold with the two audio CDs, the Citi Field performance of "I'm Down" is interspersed with footage of the Beatles' performance of the song at Shea Stadium - on this disc, you get the Citi Field performance by itself.

Having attended all three shows (and photographed two of them), there was no way that I was not going to buy this. And in that context, it makes a good souvenir... although I wish they had left the between-song chatter on the audio CDs. (It's included on the DVD.)

[robardin]

Well written! GG, mind if I send this off to my rep?

Maybe we should form a petition beginning with "We, the undersigned former full and partial season's plan holders with the New York Mets, have decided not to renew our plans for 2010 based on our dissatisfaction with recent changes in pricing and plan policies."

Then in the signature list, include how many games our plans netted to in 2009 plus how many years we'd held those plans, and do a weighted subtotal at the bottom showing how many guaranteed seats/year sold they're losing with their stupidity.

Finally, enumerate a few simple conditions which would draw most of us back:

A - Full Season Plans:
#1a - Either a significant discount (at least 10%) from face for buying for a full season...
#1b - ...or a guarantee of no undercutting by the box office in-season. (Realistically, 1a)
#2 - Real pre-sale benefits that include buying extra tickets to Platinum games*
#3a - Either a discount on game-day parking (for buying in advance)...
#3b - ...or sell preferred parking to individual games to FSTH

B - Partial Plans:
#1 - Weekend plans should be all (Sat/Sun) games plus 2 others, not this 10-and-5 joke
#2 - Restore guaranteed playoff rights*

*The ballpark will sell out for these games anyway. The net income to the team is the same. It seems an obvious, simple and much appreciated gesture to give preferential treatment here to your best customers, the ones who buy in to large chunks of the schedule before the season even begins. Why would you not do this, especially when you see what you're losing by not doing so?

"Prices are too high" and "I can get cheaper on StubHub" may or may not be true in 2010, or if/when the team starts winning consistently again, and many fans don't drive to the game so saving on parking costs isn't necessarily a big draw. On the other hand, A1 and A2 is just following suit with most other clubs in baseball, including That Winningest New York Team, and would certainly help sell full season's packages for seats in the lower levels. Finally, B1 and B2 represent reverting back to the Shea Days policy: these new changes for partial plans basically amount to a fan-unfriendly money squeeze that will lose more money than it gains by driving people away from these plans in the long run.

[dstoffa]

"Prices are too high" and "I can get cheaper on StubHub" may or may not be true in 2010, or if/when the team starts winning consistently again, and many fans don't drive to the game so saving on parking costs isn't necessarily a big draw. On the other hand, A1 and A2 is just following suit with most other clubs in baseball, including That Winningest New York Team, and would certainly help sell full season's packages for seats in the lower levels. Finally, B1 and B2 represent reverting back to the Shea Days policy: these new changes for partial plans basically amount to a fan-unfriendly money squeeze that will lose more money than it gains by driving people away from these plans in the long run.

The Mets current business model assumes that:
1. The team will be a winning one.
2. Demand for tickets will be high.

Given the economy, and this team's recent play, their model isn't working. Actually, their model doesn't hold up when the team stinks -- period.
Be sure the Mets will list unsellable seats at a discount when they can't sell them at face, sticking it to those people who bought early.

The availability of below-face tickets on the Hub may or may not be as prominent as in 2009. If a LOT of FSTH and PTH's do not renew, there may not be as many tickets to be sold on the secondary market, which means that the Mets will be offering (most likely) even MORE discounted tickets throughout the season.

Cheers!
-Doug

[thrill5one6]

Any chance anyone have a John Mayer pre sale code for 2/26/2010? MSG

[NYBase]

I like the orange walls, better than bare concrete.

[nymdan]

That's the audio CDs you're referring to. The set consists of two audio CDs and one DVD.

I was also disappointed that they took out McCartney's between-song chatter, especially since some of it was specifically relevant to the venue. I also didn't like that the crowd noise is practically non-existant during the songs, you only hear it in between the songs and during the "audience participation" bit in "Hey Jude," where Paul has the audience sing along on the "na-na na-na, Hey Jude" chorus. From a sound aspect, it had more of a "soundcheck" feel than a "live concert" feel.

You'll enjoy the DVD portion. I've just skimmed through it, I haven't watched it straight through from start to finish, but there are some nice Citi Field shots in there - there are shots of the "Citi Field" sign in center field lit up, and I even noticed some wide shots where you can see the left field wall, including the retired numbers.

The fourth disc, a DVD included in a package only available at Beast Buy, has Paul's appearance on top of the Late Show With David Letterman marquee - as such, it's irrelevant in the context of this thread, except to point out the irony that a nearby billboard for Yankee Stadium is prominently visible in the background of many wide shots.

Also on the fourth disc is an 8-minute "documentary" of scenes shot by fans who were given "Flip" video cameras - worth watching maybe once every few years or so, but it's interesting to note that a couple of the fan shots were from McCartney's show at Fenway Park.

The last item on the fourth disc is the complete, unedited performance of "I'm Down" from Citi Field. On the "actual" DVD, the one sold with the two audio CDs, the Citi Field performance of "I'm Down" is interspersed with footage of the Beatles' performance of the song at Shea Stadium - on this disc, you get the Citi Field performance by itself.

Having attended all three shows (and photographed two of them), there was no way that I was not going to buy this. And in that context, it makes a good souvenir... although I wish they had left the between-song chatter on the audio CDs. (It's included on the DVD.)
The inside artwork is cool... not sure if it's the same in the bonus edition you got. It has a montage of photos from both the Beatles Shea show and the McCartney shows at Citi. There's a booklet with some nice shots, too.

[SparkyL]

Got Paul McCartney's album Good Evening New York City. The two-disc set is fine, although the in-between song chatter is gone. Real bummer, haven't checked out the DVD portion yet.

Has some good interspersing of Citi and Shea 1965 images inside the fold of the CD case.

He's removed the chatter on earlier concert CDs too. It's a really shame because some of the stories are priceless.

Billy Joel CDs retain the chatter.

[li7039]

I like the orange walls, better than bare concrete.

i do too. Reminds me of shea

[Jim Vaz]

Don't mind the stairwells being painted, but PLEASE keep the tackiness of Shea away from Citi. We don't need orange and blue walls all over citi field.

[SteveJRogers]

i do too. Reminds me of shea

Yeah but the difference is, that was basically akin to mall parking lots. "Oh, we were sitting in the green seats? And now we are in the blue section. Hmmm, have to go up another level."

It worked, it made sense. Citi Field, where the levels aren't color coordinated. Well, I guess we really have to see it in game action come April to get a feel for what they are trying to do.

[mets16]

This is a shame though. I really loved the Mets new citi color scheme. The navy and orange went well with the bricks.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3547/3451344273_ce7898965e.jpg
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The orange that they are painting it with is extremely tacky, and may require the Mets to redo the stair signs. They're turning it back in the other direction. They started to look legit in Citi.

[RayNY]

I didn't mind the bare concrete walls in the stairwells at all in Citi Field. They're only stairwells for christ sake. They're not supposed to be all fancy to begin with. Who decorates stairwells? Seriously. Plus the concrete walls had a nice rustic look to them at Citi.

I will be very pissed off if Citi Field becomes all cheesy and tacky in 2010. I thought it was time to move passed that.

[Perseus71]

This is a shame though. I really loved the Mets new citi color scheme. The navy and orange went well with the bricks.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3547/3451344273_ce7898965e.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3559/3396158795_2af9e3c944.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3446/3396159275_61809f348b.jpg

The orange that they are painting it with is extremely tacky, and may require the Mets to redo the stair signs. They're turning it back in the other direction. They started to look legit in Citi.

It looks much better, but it still reminds me of Citizens Bank Park. Very similar in design, although Citi Field is designed much better.

[BuddyJas]

Speaking of shows, Springsteen's shows featuring full albums have been outstanding! Caught "BTR" here in Cleveland, downloaded "Wild and Innocent" and "The River" from MSG, "Darkness" and "USA" from the Spectrum. Sunday the tour ends in Buffalo with the only playing of "Greetings from Asbury Park." Kills me that I have to work that night.

I know, way, way off topic. Sorry. Plus, what the bleep's a "Speedball"?

Bruce & the ESB would rock CF. I hope to God they play there next year cause it is alot more conducive to concerts than the Meadowlands. BTW, check out Higher & Higher from the 11/7/09 MSG concert. Jakie Wilson would be proud.

[headshoes]

Did we ever compile a list of NON-renewals for 2010??

[GordonGecko]

Did we ever compile a list of NON-renewals for 2010??

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93092

[mandrake]

Bruce & the ESB would rock CF. I hope to God they play there next year cause it is alot more conducive to concerts than the Meadowlands. BTW, check out Higher & Higher from the 11/7/09 MSG concert. Jakie Wilson would be proud.

No ESB next year at CITI . They turned down opening the new Giants Stadium, so they got Bon Jovi instead. :yawn:

We tried to get to Buffalo, but we were unable to work it out with my wife's OR schedule. Oh well. :(

At least we got to Hartford, Hershey, Saratoga and Giants Stadium in 2009.:dance

(I doubt all of the present ESB's ever tour together again.)

[tugger]

Bruce & the ESB would rock CF. I hope to God they play there next year cause it is alot more conducive to concerts than the Meadowlands. BTW, check out Higher & Higher from the 11/7/09 MSG concert. Jakie Wilson would be proud.

Word is this might be the last tour for the E Street Band (Clarence, at least, appears worn out, and without Big Man, it ain't no ESB). How it should go is they finish Sunday in Buffalo, then play the final event at the old Meadowlands/first event at new Meadowlands (I know, Bon Jovi's scheduled, they can be swept aside), or at Asbury Park, or Freehold High School. After all, his machine is a dud out stuck in the mud somewhere in the swamps of Jersey, not Queens.

[nymdan]

The Mets announced today that they are renaming areas of the stadium after Stengel, Hodges, Seaver and Shea.

The Mets also announced that a team Hall of Fame and museum will open in 2010 at Citi Field.

Lastly, more team colors and logos are being placed throughout the stadium, including blue-and-orange flowers in front of the JR Rotunda.

http://twitter.com/NYPOST_Mets

[nymdan]

The outfield bridge is being renamed "Shea Bridge."

The Mets' Hall of Fame and Museum opening in 2010 will be adjacent to the JR Rotunda and accessible from inside and outside the park.

[nymdan]

Press release: http://www.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20091121&content_id=7698126&vkey=pr_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

[RayNY]

"Ownership is acting upon our fans' desire (not ours) to see more Mets around the ballpark."
:rolleyes:

[jfvmets]

last year alot of plp bought wekday paln only because of opening game/inaguaral game. but now that its only a regular opening games which prices/market will not be as high as this year.

who of all those weekday day plan buyers will renew on that same weekday plan...( if mets uses the same format of partial plan in 2010):think:

[Mister B.]

"These additions amplify our commitment to better recognize our team's heritage and honor the players and memories our fans cherish," said Howard. "Ownership is acting upon our fans' desire to see more Mets around the ballpark. We hear our fans loud and clear and these additions continue the process that started last season."


Sounds like "you asked for it, you got it." Like lowering the ribbon boards. I'm sure people will soon be posting comments finding something wrong with all this, but I think they're doing the right thing, even if they had to be told what to do.

Fixing the team? That's for another thread.

[WASLOGE8]

last year alot of plp bought wekday paln only because of opening game/inaguaral game. but now that its only a regular opening games which prices/market will not be as high as this year.

who of all those weekday day plan buyers will renew on that same weekday plan...( if mets uses the same format of partial plan in 2010):think:

I will not be renewing my weekday plan. As I previously mentioned, my Sat and Sun plan are up in the air, but I am going the route of not answering my invoice, although when I called, I got the standard company line of renew, and put an upgrade letter in.....yeah right!

[mets16]

So this is pretty much credited to the people here. We all had suggestions, and it seems like the Mets took it to heart. :highfive:

[Strawman]

So this is pretty much credited to the people here. We all had suggestions, and it seems like the Mets took it to heart. :highfive:

I agree and said so during the season - Mets management follows the BF threads.

And btw, they deserve credit for listening. All of this sounds terrific. Shea Bridge is just right, to me.

[RayNY]

Do you think people from the Mets organization come here and read these forums?

[mets16]

Do you think people from the Mets organization come here and read these forums?

Absolutely. Wasn't it here where flowers came in to discussion? The bridge name? We kinda spoke for the masses. Like state representatives, we were fan representatives. Ever search something ballpark related on Google? BBF is always near the top of the list.

[Strawman]

Do you think people from the Mets organization come here and read these forums?

Yes, they do - it's pretty clear. The stuff they're reacting to - to their credit, I might add- is pretty much the long-standing wishlist on this thread.

They read BF.

[alpineinc]

Should be fun to follow the progress again this off-season at CF; the changes sound pretty good. And, let's face it, re: stairways, etc., orange is a tough color to incorporate into any scheme, especially blue and orange. At least they're trying now, let's just hope the results aren't too jarring.

[cringey]

Can one be hopeful and hope that this naming of the VIP gates are precursors to statues of said Mets out side of them?

[Ralf]

They should rename the Prom Club after a former player/coach.

And can we please get a statue of a former Mets great.

[Strawman]

They should rename the Prom Club after a former player/coach.

And can we please get a statue of a former Mets great.

Clearly, it has to become the Cleon Jones Upper Deck Lounge - it's so obvious, even Mets management should see it....

[Ralf]

Clearly, it has to become the Cleon Jones Upper Deck Lounge - it's so obvious, even Mets management should see it....

Agee's Upper 48 Lounge makes much more sense.

[BuddyJas]

They should rename the Prom Club after a former player/coach.

And can we please get a statue of a former Mets great.

They should get rid of the Prom Club altogether since you can't even see home plate from there. I would turn it into the Mets Museum.

[tipsandtix]

Hey there -

For all those who are not renewing their ticket plans ...
I am renewing my full season ticket plans - in 2 locations, and I'm selling a lot of the games - cheap.

2 tix - Section 513, Row 8 (Directly behind home plate, AISLE seats)

2 tix - Section 302, Row 4 (Pepsi Porch - Fair Territory)

I also put together Suites and other groups for 5 - 10 games each season.

Anyone who's interested, please post - or better yet - send me a private message.

Let's Go Mets!

[Ralf]

They should get rid of the Prom Club altogether since you can't even see home plate from there. I would turn it into the Mets Museum.

They don't need to get rid of it, just enhance it. They should open up the front and extend it towards the seats, similar to the Delta Club on the field level. That would make it pretty sick.

[Jim Vaz]

This is a shame though. I really loved the Mets new citi color scheme. The navy and orange went well with the bricks.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3547/3451344273_ce7898965e.jpg
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The orange that they are painting it with is extremely tacky, and may require the Mets to redo the stair signs. They're turning it back in the other direction. They started to look legit in Citi.

I wouldn't confuse everyone though because in that picture you show the green steel, and as far as I know that is all staying the same. You're just referring to the signage being changed right?
If so do we even have confirmation that all of that is being replaced? I havem't heard anything.

[Jim Vaz]

Typical of this reactional franchise.
But I should not complain because they listened and are going to try to make a lot of the wrongs right now.

All in all I'm VERY encouraged by all this news! Can't wait for opening day.
It's imperative though this franchise has a bounce back season in 2010. They don't even have to make the playoffs, but just come back with a respectable year, maybe one similar to the 2005 season.
Having a legitimate season again will go a very long way in how people view this franchise and Citi Field.

[mets16]

I wouldn't confuse everyone though because in that picture you show the green steel, and as far as I know that is all staying the same. You're just referring to the signage being changed right?
If so do we even have confirmation that all of that is being replaced? I havem't heard anything.

Well, they will need to change the signage in the stairwells, and they are all uniform, which would leave one to assume that they will all change.

But we know it is never good to assume
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9376/oc5s.jpg

[thrill5one6]

last year alot of plp bought wekday paln only because of opening game/inaguaral game. but now that its only a regular opening games which prices/market will not be as high as this year.

who of all those weekday day plan buyers will renew on that same weekday plan...( if mets uses the same format of partial plan in 2010):think:

I had the weekday plan to get opening day. The best weekday plan i was able to get was in sec 528. I only sat there opening day and then sat where ever I wanted in the promenade level the other 14 games because there were always a lot of empty seats.
I will not be purchasing another plan from the mets.

[Jim Vaz]

Well, they will need to change the signage in the stairwells, and they are all uniform, which would leave one to assume that they will all change.

But we know it is never good to assume
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9376/oc5s.jpg


Very true.
lol

[GordonGecko]

For you guys that do renew, I'd be interested to know what concessions you were able to negotiate. I imagine that the Mets will only be giving anything up after the December 4 deadline, but who knows maybe they bend before then. Here's a starter list for things people might be able to ask for to renew a full season plan or maybe even partial:

- Free parking passes
- Food & Beverage credit (I'm thinking 10-15% of invoice cost)
- Team store credit (also thinking 10-15% of invoice cost)
- Comp tickets to other games
- Autographed player bats, gloves, or jerseys

Can anyone think of anything else?

[ribant]

Plan renewals started going out today. I didn't get mine yet, but I got the dates from a rep.

Marlins Wed, 4/7 Wed. 7:10p Value
Nationals Sun, 4/11 Sunday 1:10p Bronze
Braves Sun, 4/25 Sunday 1:10p Silver
Yankees Sun, 5/23 Sunday 1:10p Platinum
Phillies Thu, 5/27 Thursday 7:10p Silver
Marlins Sun, 6/6 Sunday 1:10p Silver
Twins Sun, 6/27 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Braves Sun, 7/11 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Cardinals Wed, 7/28 Wed. 7:10p Silver
Phillies Sun, 8/15 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Marlins Thu, 8/26 Thursday 7:10p Silver
Phillies Sun, 9/12 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Pirates Thu, 9/16 Thursday 7:10p Value
Braves Sun, 9/19 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Nationals Sun, 10/3 Sunday 1:10p Silver

Not bad. Yankees + three Phillies, Twins & Cardinals. No Mondays and two easy to unload value games.

If the Dodgers and Cubs were in I would definitely renew. Right now I'm still not sure

If I have time I'll call for the others later.

[jfvmets]

Somebody has the schedule/games for the other partial plans? is not on the website.

My invoice is for the same seats and same plan I had last year, so Does it mean that we can not change the seats for other? or can we change the partial plan for other one?

[LI METS FAN]

The Mets website has the 15 game renewal plan up now but when I log in I get an error and can't get info on the dates or prices of the Sat 15 game plan. Any one else have success or the same problems?

[LI METS FAN]

Also it says full payment required by Dec 18, 2009 in the heading.

[ribant]

Nationals Fri, 4/9 Friday 7:10p Value
Braves Fri, 4/23 Friday 7:10p Bronze
Dodgers Mon, 4/26 Monday 7:10p Bronze
Giants Fri, 5/7 Friday 7:10p Bronze
Yankees Fri, 5/21 Friday 7:10p Platinum
Padres Tue, 6/8 Tuesday 7:10p Bronze
Twins Fri, 6/25 Friday 7:10p Gold
Reds Wed, 7/7 Wednesday 7:10p Silver
D-backs Fri, 7/30 Friday 7:10p Gold
Phillies Fri, 8/13 Friday 7:10p Gold
Marlins Tue, 8/24 Tuesday 7:10p Silver
Astros Fri, 8/27 Friday 7:10p Gold
Braves Fri, 9/17 Friday 7:10p Gold
Brewers Tue, 9/28 Tuesday 7:10p Bronze
Nationals Fri, 10/1 Friday 7:10p Bronze

Yankees, Dodgers on a Monday, Twins, and only one Phillies. Giants are there as well if you like them.

IMO Sunday is better

[ribant]

The Mets website has the 15 game renewal plan up now but when I log in I get an error and can't get info on the dates or prices of the Sat 15 game plan. Any one else have success or the same problems?

Only one of my three plans is on the site. And the game breakdown is nowhere to be found. I called to get the dates

[Saltzy23]

For you guys that do renew, I'd be interested to know what concessions you were able to negotiate. I imagine that the Mets will only be giving anything up after the December 4 deadline, but who knows maybe they bend before then. Here's a starter list for things people might be able to ask for to renew a full season plan or maybe even partial:

- Free parking passes
- Food & Beverage credit (I'm thinking 10-15% of invoice cost)
- Team store credit (also thinking 10-15% of invoice cost)
- Comp tickets to other games
- Autographed player bats, gloves, or jerseys

Can anyone think of anything else?
Funny you should ask.

I actually decided to call my rep today to ask about Club Access for the people in the Prom Infield and Prom Reserved. I stated everything we've been over on this site, and brought up how ridiculous it is that people can buy a value game vs. the Nats and get in, but I buy 81 games and I can't.

Anyway, he said they have been hearing that complaint a lot, and there is a possibility that they will begin selling access to the clubs to STH's on an a la carte basis. It's not official by any means, and he said he isn't even sure it's gonna happen. I honestly still think it's a total load of crap, but I'm not sure what I can do. I love my seats and I guess I will renew either way, but I really hate the fact I can't get into the Prom Club as a STH.

[ribant]

Marlins Thu, 4/8 Thursday 7:10p Value
Cubs Wed, 4/21 Wednesday 7:10p Bronze
Giants Sun, 5/9 Sunday 1:10p Bronze
Phillies Tue, 5/25 Tuesday 7:10p Silver
Marlins Fri, 6/4 Friday 7:10p Silver
Tigers Tue, 6/22 Tuesday 7:10p Silver
Twins Sat, 6/26 Saturday 7:10p Gold
Reds Mon, 7/5 Monday 7:10p Silver
Braves Fri, 7/9 Friday 7:10p Gold
D-backs Sun, 8/1 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Phillies Sat, 8/14 Saturday 7:10p Gold
Astros Sun, 8/29 Sunday 1:10p Gold
Phillies Fri, 9/10 Friday 7:10p Gold
Braves Sat, 9/18 Saturday 1:10p Gold
Brewers Wed, 9/29 Wednesday 7:10p Bronze

Three Phillies, Twins, Cubs, Giants & Tigers

Weak.

[GordonGecko]

I guess "weekend" is a relative term that means any day of the week

[peterrod16]

I guess "weekend" is a relative term that means any day of the week

my weekday plan total was $360
$335(15 games) + $25 shipping fee
I believe my tickets were more last year by $15 to $20 bucks
If anyone can get the list for the weekday game pack that would be great

[jfvmets]

my weekday plan total was $360
$335(15 games) + $25 shipping fee
I believe my tickets were more last year by $15 to $20 bucks
If anyone can get the list for the weekday game pack that would be great

That is a big difference from this year 2009, I paid 538 + 25 shipping= 563.
is a 203 difference. wow

[GordonGecko]

That is a big difference from this year 2009, I paid 538 + 25 shipping= 563.
is a 203 difference. wow
My 2009 prom infield weekday plan was $355 per seat plus shipping

2009 Weekday Plan
---------------------------------------------------------------
Monday ... 13-Apr ... San Diego Padres ... Platinum
Tuesday ... 28-Apr ... Florida Marlins ... Value
Thursday ... 7-May ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Silver
Tuesday ... 12-May ... Atlanta Braves ... Bronze
Wednesday ... 27-May ... DC Nationals ... Value
Thursday ... 11-Jun ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Gold
Thursday ... 25-Jun ... St. Louis Cardinals ... Bronze
Thursday ... 9-Jul ... Los Angeles Dodgers ... Gold
Tuesday ... 28-Jul ... Colorado Rockies ... Silver
Monday ... 3-Aug ... Arizona Diamondbacks ... Silver
Monday ... 17-Aug ... San Francisco Giants ... Silver
Thursday ... 20-Aug ... Atlanta Braves ... Silver
Monday ... 24-Aug ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Gold
Wednesday ... 9-Sep ... Florida Marlins ... Value
Tuesday ... 22-Sep ... Atlanta Braves ... Bronze

[peterrod16]

My 2009 prom infield weekday plan was $355 per seat plus shipping

2009 Weekday Plan
---------------------------------------------------------------
Monday ... 13-Apr ... San Diego Padres ... Platinum
Tuesday ... 28-Apr ... Florida Marlins ... Value
Thursday ... 7-May ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Silver
Tuesday ... 12-May ... Atlanta Braves ... Bronze
Wednesday ... 27-May ... DC Nationals ... Value
Thursday ... 11-Jun ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Gold
Thursday ... 25-Jun ... St. Louis Cardinals ... Bronze
Thursday ... 9-Jul ... Los Angeles Dodgers ... Gold
Tuesday ... 28-Jul ... Colorado Rockies ... Silver
Monday ... 3-Aug ... Arizona Diamondbacks ... Silver
Monday ... 17-Aug ... San Francisco Giants ... Silver
Thursday ... 20-Aug ... Atlanta Braves ... Silver
Monday ... 24-Aug ... Philadelphia Phillies ... Gold
Wednesday ... 9-Sep ... Florida Marlins ... Value
Tuesday ... 22-Sep ... Atlanta Braves ... Bronze

So i get a $20 discount this year compare to last year.
now im curious on how many nats/pirates games im stuck with

[jfvmets]

:banghead::banghead:
My 2009 prom infield weekday plan was $355 per seat plus shipping

2009 Weekday Plan
-------------------------------------------------------------
Tuesday ... 22-Sep ... Atlanta Braves ... Bronze

mine was prom reserved. so it means it could be the same price old price $269 - $20.
i was doing the wrong comparison different sections.:banghead:

[peterrod16]

mine was prom reserved. so it means it could be the same price. i was doing the comparison wrong. different sections

prom infield cost more than prom reserve
view attachment from 2009

[ribant]

prom infield cost more than prom reserve
view attachment from 2009



This year the Friday plan in PR/PRI is $281/370, Sunday and Weekend are $293/385, and Weekday is $253 in PR

[supremebeing002]

Funny you should ask.

I actually decided to call my rep today to ask about Club Access for the people in the Prom Infield and Prom Reserved. I stated everything we've been over on this site, and brought up how ridiculous it is that people can buy a value game vs. the Nats and get in, but I buy 81 games and I can't.

Anyway, he said they have been hearing that complaint a lot, and there is a possibility that they will begin selling access to the clubs to STH's on an a la carte basis. It's not official by any means, and he said he isn't even sure it's gonna happen. I honestly still think it's a total load of crap, but I'm not sure what I can do. I love my seats and I guess I will renew either way, but I really hate the fact I can't get into the Prom Club as a STH.

Hey what's up? I've enjoyed your posts over the past 16 months BTW. I'm a big fan :) Just an FYI...I've been in the Prom Club mainly to buy a frosty Brooklyn Lager here and then and let me tell ya....It's not that big of a deal. My advice? If you enjoy your seats that's the main thing. Would it be nice to have access to the Prom Club? I suppose. But don't let THAT be a deal breaker. At the end of the day It's just a glorified concession stand.

[peterrod16]

April 5th vs Marlins 1:10PM Home Opener
April 19th vs Cubs 7:10PM Monday
April 22th vs Cubs 7:10PM Thursday
April 27th vs Dodgers 7:10PM Tuesday
May 10th vs Nationals 7:10PM Monday
May 26th vs Phillies 7:10PM Wednesday
June 9th vs Padres 7:10PM Wednesday
June 23rd vs Tigers 7:10PM Wednesday
July 6th vs Reds 7:10PM Tuesday
July 27th vs Cardinals Tuesday
August 10th vs Rockies 7:10PM Tuesday
August 25th vs Marlins 7:10PM Wednesday
September 14th vs Pirates 7:10PM Tuesday
September 27th vs Brewers 7:10PM Monday
September 30th vs Brewers 7:10PM Thursday

the plan seems okay
OD, cubs,dodgers phils tigers cards marlins good games

[jfvmets]

Now that the invoice are out and if you renew, it says that it will be the same seats,
Does this means that the mets are not planing to open other areas such as CC or field level seats on any of the partial plans.... does it mean that you can not upgrade or change to other plans??
I had two partial plans but the invoice only give the option to renew both plans not only one

has anyone called their REps. with these questions/ o know something?

[peterrod16]

Now that the invoice are out and if you renew, it says that it will be the same seats,
Does this means that the mets are not planing to open other areas such as CC or field level seats on any of the partial plans.... does it mean that you can not upgrade or change to other plans??
I had two partial plans but the invoice only give the option to renew both plans not only one

has anyone called their REps. with these questions/ o know something?

the rep on the phone didnt have that much info.
He said call back a couple of days before the deadline regarding seat changes.
But i guess the same policies from 09 will stay in 2010.

[Shea1012]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?

[supremebeing002]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?

I'm not renewing for my FST. I might however pick up a Saturday Plan at one point later in the winter.

[ribant]

Now that the invoice are out and if you renew, it says that it will be the same seats,
Does this means that the mets are not planing to open other areas such as CC or field level seats on any of the partial plans.... does it mean that you can not upgrade or change to other plans??
I had two partial plans but the invoice only give the option to renew both plans not only one
has anyone called their REps. with these questions/ o know something?

Thats wierd. I have three partials and each one is a unique link in the renewal section. It appears I can renew or skip each one individually.

[GordonGecko]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?
Keep in mind that most people on this site have the more affordable seats in the whole place. If you end up not going to most of the games and can't sell them for anywhere near face value, that probably won't kill your family budget. I think it'll be a very different story for people sitting on the Caesar's level and lower who will cancel in much higher numbers. I personally don't see the point of season tickets in any section for the reasons I listed. Things will eventually settle down but for now I can just pick the games I want as the season goes on with no commitment.

[LI METS FAN]

Okay Promenade Reserve Infield for the Saturday plan is $370 per seat but I don't see the actual dates for the 15 games offered in the plan.

[Mister B.]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?

I think everyone has to make a personal judgment and a personal decision after evaluating their own priorities, facts and circumstances. If you renew you're not necessarily a "sheep", and if you don't renew, it shouldn't be to please an online baseball community. :twocents:

[johnql]

I think everyone has to make a personal judgment and a personal decision after evaluating their own priorities, facts and circumstances. If you renew you're not necessarily a "sheep", and if you don't renew, it shouldn't be to please an online baseball community. :twocents:
Exactly! I don't consider myself a sheep just because I'm renewing. I consider myself a devoted fan who has had season tickets through thick and thin (24 years and counting now). Could it be considered blind devotion or foolish loyalty? Perhaps. But I prefer to call it being a fan. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

[LI METS FAN]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?

If being a sheep means following the crowd, just exactly how much of a crowd follows a 92 loss team?

[alpineinc]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?

I am not renewing my full season tickets (been a full season ticket holder since 2002).

Citi Field is different than Shea, and times are different as well. I can buy a discounted seat anywhere 2 hours before first pitch and pretty much sit anywhere anyway, at least in '10. However, I do like the idea of having my own seats for a few games, so Partials for me.

[Retire #31]

I am not renewing my full season tickets (been a full season ticket holder since 2002).

Citi Field is different than Shea, and times are different as well. I can buy a discounted seat anywhere 2 hours before first pitch and pretty much sit anywhere anyway, at least in '10. However, I do like the idea of having my own seats for a few games, so Partials for me.

I completely agree. You can buy the cheapest seat in the house and spend the whole night in the field level SRO , Prom Food Court, The Bridge, Pepsi Porch or wherever. . I love the new set up and it is much easier on the wallet. Yea a bunch of us can spend some of the time in our seats or we can hang out all around the stadium. Plus once you find a walkway with no usher a field level seat is yours. They never come down so if someone comes just find another field level seat.

[Flushing Roots]

I am finding it sad that it seems like so many of the BF family are going to be sheep and renew next season. Other than GG and myself, has anyone (Robardin?) with a full season commited to not renewing?Going from FS to a Saturday plan.:mad::mad::mad:

[Citi_Field]

So after reading that article, I guess its safe to say they aren't doing anything about the hideous ads on the scoreboars?:banghead: