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bambambaseball
06-12-2009, 02:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlLX3DUrik

How was that scored officially? Ball? Strike? Do over?

ipitch
06-12-2009, 03:28 PM
No pitch.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/feature.jsp?feature=qa1

That bizarre play is not covered in the Official Rules. When a situation is not covered, Rule 9.01(c) comes into play. That rule gives the umpire authority to rule on any point not specifically covered in the Rules. In such instances the umpire is instructed to use "common sense and fair play." In this game, the umpires called it no pitch, as this was the fairest thing to do.

As a side-note, MLB Regulations do cover a batted or thrown ball (but not a pitched ball) touching an animal: "If a batted or thrown ball strikes a bird or other animal on the playing field, consider the ball alive and in play, the same as if it had not touched the bird or animal."

dgarza
06-13-2009, 05:26 PM
"If a batted or thrown ball strikes a bird or other animal on the playing field, consider the ball alive and in play, the same as if it had not touched the bird or animal."

Where does it say that a pitched ball is not "thrown"?

Honus Wagner Rules
06-13-2009, 08:02 PM
Didn't a simliar play happen a few days ago when a single up the middle hit a bird in the outfield?

bambambaseball
06-13-2009, 09:07 PM
"If a batted or thrown ball strikes a bird or other animal on the playing field, consider the ball alive and in play, the same as if it had not touched the bird or animal."

Where does it say that a pitched ball is not "thrown"?

Thats where Im confused. Why wouldnt this be considered a ball or a wild pitch? I remember Dave Winfield hitting a ball that hit a bird and dropped in for a base hit. It was ruled a base hit.

SHOELESSJOE3
06-13-2009, 10:15 PM
Thats where Im confused. Why wouldnt this be considered a ball or a wild pitch? I remember Dave Winfield hitting a ball that hit a bird and dropped in for a base hit. It was ruled a base hit.

BAMB, you may have that confused with another player.
What Winfield did, during pre-game shagging balls in the outfield, one of his throws to the infield struck and killed a Seagull.
If you can believe it many at the game said it was deliberate.
Dave was arrested and booked, released, 500 dollar bond.
Of course charge was dropped later.

dgarza
06-14-2009, 08:14 AM
If the ball had not hit the bird (the pitch just missed the bird), what do you do as a batter? This would be a hard pitch to pick up on. Could the batter argue "no play/pitch" or interference successfully?

dgarza
06-14-2009, 08:15 AM
How was that scored officially? Ball? Strike? Do over?Clearly it was a foul.

SamtheBravesFan
06-14-2009, 08:54 AM
Clearly it was a foul.

Ouch. :faint:

Seattle1
06-14-2009, 11:33 AM
What happened to the bird anyway? Was it given a proper burial? Did TBU mourn the loss of life?

ipitch
06-14-2009, 03:02 PM
What Winfield did, during pre-game shagging balls in the outfield, one of his throws to the infield struck and killed a Seagull.


It actually happened during the 5th inning. After throwing the ball around, he threw the ball to the batboy, but it hit the bird.

SHOELESSJOE3
06-14-2009, 03:23 PM
It actually happened during the 5th inning. After throwing the ball around, he threw the ball to the batboy, but it hit the bird.

OK IPITCH, got that, just wanted to get the story as it happened, it was not a batted ball.

Watching TV today ESPN and Dave spoke about the event. Said when he reported to the Provincial Police station the dead bird was on display as evidence.
Often at some of the local Bison's game in Buffalo, they buzz the field and the seating area by the hundreds, only a few feet over spectators.