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TonyStarks
07-31-2009, 08:00 AM
Arroyo: Andro was rumored tainted

Bronson Arroyo, a former Boston Red Sox teammate of Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, said he would not be surprised to find his name on a list of 104 ballplayers who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, as he had heard a then-legal supplement he was using was tainted with steroids, the Boston Herald reported.

Arroyo, according to the report, said he does not know if Ortiz and Ramirez, who were identified in a New York Times story as also being among the 104 players testing positive in 2003, were taking anything -- or if so, what it was. He said his knowledge of what his teammates did ended at the clubhouse door. But he does not believe that their accomplishments should be diminished as a result.

"In my mind, I think you have to lump the whole era together," Arroyo said, according to the report. "A lot of people were doing it, a lot weren't. I think pitchers probably gained three or four mph on their pitches and power hitters got some more power.

"But guys like David and Manny, if they did something, it didn't make them who they were. Did it make them a little better? Probably," Arroyo said, according to the report.

Ortiz said he had confirmed through the players union that he tested positive in 2003. He said that came as a surprise to him and that he will say more about the subject when he knows more.

ESPN STORY (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368436)

rudy
07-31-2009, 10:18 AM
I thought players knew whether they failed the test or not - I guess not.

Either way, kudos to Arroyo for his admission. I hope others will follow suit.

rudy
07-31-2009, 10:22 AM
Arroyo, who pitched for the Red Sox from 2003 to 2005, said he took androstenedione, which was banned in 2004, as well as amphetamines, which were banned in 2006, according to the Herald report. He said he gave up taking andro, a steroid precursor, when a rumor spread through baseball that due to lax production standards, some of it was laced with steroids.

Mandatory testing for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball began in 2004.

"Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," he said, according to the Herald. "Now they don't want us to take anything unless it's approved. But back then, who knows what was in stuff? The FDA wasn't regulating stuff, not unless it was killing people or people were dying from it."

Arroyo said he started taking taking andro after 1998, after a season with the Pirates' Double-A affiliate. "Andro made me feel great, I felt like a monster. I felt like I could jump and hit my head on the basketball rim," he said, according to the report.

Arroyo said he is happy the game now has mandatory drug testing, according to the Herald.

"I feel like the game's getting cleared up," he said, according to the report. "Personally, I don't care what people think about what I did. I do what I do."

This part of the article shows what he admits to. He may have done more - we'll never know - but I'm satisfied with what he has admitted. It is more than anyone else has admitted to date.

The only thing I find really weird is when he says that before 2004, nobody really looked into what they were taking. It just doesn't make any sense - who DOESN'T know what they are ingesting when its something out of the norm??

RationalNYYfan
07-31-2009, 10:41 AM
Good for him for admitting it. He did it at the right time - since the sporting world is still buzzing about Ortiz, his confession won't get as much publicity. Besides, the world would have found out anyway whether it take a month, a year, or a decade. The remaining 90-odd names are going to be revealed either slowly or all at once, it's just a matter of time.

partydude1377
07-31-2009, 10:48 AM
So he admits to taking Andro, before it was banned or "against the rules"?? Who cares.

Second Base Coach
07-31-2009, 10:54 AM
You have a point, and I agree. But who cares? I care. This list of 100+ names becomes moot if they all (or nearly all) tested positive for something that was not banned or illegal AT THE TIME.

The sooner that happens, the sooner these list stories go away. I grow tired of them. I am sick of this stuff. You cannot always make morality retroactive. What next, ban everyone who called William Hoy... "Dummy". People did that back then. While we can move the morality bar higher and create new laws all the time, let's not indict someone after the rules change.

partydude1377
07-31-2009, 11:02 AM
You have a point, and I agree. But who cares? I care. This list of 100+ names becomes moot if they all (or nearly all) tested positive for something that was not banned or illegal AT THE TIME.

The sooner that happens, the sooner these list stories go away. I grow tired of them. I am sick of this stuff. You cannot always make morality retroactive. What next, ban everyone who called William Hoy... "Dummy". People did that back then. While we can move the morality bar higher and create new laws all the time, let's not indict someone after the rules change.

My "who cares" was kind of in jest.

But seriously, why does a guy need to "admit" that he took something that you could buy over the counter at the local GNC at the time???

Allie Fox
07-31-2009, 12:56 PM
My "who cares" was kind of in jest.

But seriously, why does a guy need to "admit" that he took something that you could buy over the counter at the local GNC at the time???


I'm not so sure that the admission is because he took something but rather because his name might be on the list. I think that if anything it's a smart PR move on his part.

MyDogSparty
07-31-2009, 06:00 PM
I heard Peter Gammons and Buster Olney on ESPN comment on Arroyo and they kind of scoffed at his admission because they said MLB wasn't testing for Andro in 2003.

Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan
07-31-2009, 07:29 PM
Bronson Arroyo Outs Himself?

I always knew with his crazy hair and bizarre pitching delivery that Arroyo perferred the company of men. Is that why he's consistently the last one out of the post-game shower? :shhh:

runningshoes
07-31-2009, 07:39 PM
Who would blame him?

He's on on the list as who could possibly give a &%#@? He's got himself some early publicity.

BenHertz
07-31-2009, 11:22 PM
Arroyo: "By the way, my new album is for sale August 3rd."

west coast orange and black
08-01-2009, 09:22 AM
allie fox: I'm not so sure that the admission is because he took something but rather because his name might be on the list. I think that if anything it's a smart PR move on his part.

agreed.
a player gets props only if he admitted to using before the so-called survey testing occurred.

west coast orange and black
08-01-2009, 09:24 AM
"Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took ... back then, who knows what was in stuff?"
-bronson arroyo

wow.
where is the backlash against a player who put something in his body without knowing exactly the contents?