DRAFT THREAD: Pre-70s draft thread

[Westlake]

Here is the draft order:

1. Shoreline Steve
2. Westlake
3. BigRon
4. Ronnie5
5. Professor
6. Tyrus
7. Wade
8. RMB
9. TSS

Official clock doesnt start til tomorrow at 8 AM CST.

1. SS - Babe Ruth
2. Westlake - Ted Williams
3. BigRon - Honus Wagner
4. Ronnie5 - Rogers Hornsby
5. Professor - Lou Gehrig
6. Tyrus - Ty Cobb
7. Wade - Walter Johnson
8. RMB - Cy Young
9. TSS - Mickey Mantle

Round 2

1. TSS - Willie Mays
2. RMB - Tris Speaker
3. Wade - Arky Vaughan
4. Tyrus - Lefty Grove
5. Professor - Hank Aaron
6. Little Ron - Jimmie Foxx
7. BigRon - Pete Alexander
8. Westlake - Joe DiMaggio
9. SS - Christy Mathewson

Round 3

1. SS - Eddie Mathews
2. Westlake - Stan Musial
3. Big Ron - Frank Robinson
4. Ronnie 5 - Joe Jackson
5. Professor - Warren Spahn
6. Tyrus - Eddie Collins
7. Wade - Tom Seaver
8. RMB - Joe Morgan
9. TSS - Nap Lajoie

Round 4

1. TSS - Billy Hamilton
2. RMB - George Davis
3. Wade - Al Simmons
4. Tyrus - Johnny Bench
5. Professor - Yogi Berra
6. Ronnie 5 - Mordecai Brown
7. Big Rob - Bob Feller
8. Westlake - Sandy Koufax
9. SS - Duke Snider

Round 5

1. SS - Rube Waddell
2. Westlake - Bob Gibson
3. BigRob - Mel Ott
4. Ronnie5 - Ernie Banks
5. Professor - Steven Charlton
6. Tyrus - Al Kaline
7. Wade - Harmon Killebrew
8. RMB - Carl Hubbell
9. TSS - Dick Allen

Round 6

1. TSS - Joe Torre
2. RMB - Carlton Fisk
3. Wade - Whitey Ford
4. Tyrus - Juan Marichal
5. Professor - Paul Waner
6. Ronnie5 - Roy Campanella
7. BigRon - Jackie Robinson
8. Westlake - Johnny Mize
9. SS - Rod Carew

Round 7

1. SS - Harry Heilmann
2. Westlake- Mickey Cochrane
3. BigRon- Robin Roberts
4. Ronnie5-
5. Professor- Charlie Gehringer
6. Tyrus-Hank Greenberg
7. Wade- Willie Stargell
8. RMB- Ed Walsh
9. TSS- Hoyt Wilhelm

Round 8

1. TSS- Sparky Lyle
2. RMB- Reggie Jackson
3. Wade- Sam Crawford
4. Tyrus- Rollie Fingers
5. Professor- Roberto Clemente
6. ronnie5-
7. BigRon- Willie McCovey
8. Westlake- Frank Baker
9. SS- Bill Dickey

Round 9

1. SS- Norm Cash
2. Westlake- Dazzy Vance
3. BigRon- Eddie Plank
4. Ronnie5
5. Professor- Jim Palmer
6. Tyrus- Lou Boudreau
7. Wade- Dan Brouthers
8. RMB- Cap Anson
9. TSS- Addie Joss

Round 10

TSS- Kid Nichols
RMB- Carl Yastrzemski
Wade- Eddie Cicotte
Tyrus- Nolan Ryan
Professor- Joe Cronin
Ronnie5
BigRon - Ken Boyer
Westlake - Gaylord Perry
SS - Don Drysdale

Round 11

1. SS- Urban Shocker
2. Westlake- Bill Mazeroski
3. BigRon- Ferguson Jenkins
4. Ronnie5
5. Professor- Bill Terry
6. Tyrus- Ron Santo
7. Wade- John Hiller
8. RMB- Tug McGraw
9. TSS- Satchel Paige

Round 12

1. TSS - Dizzy Dean
2. RMB - Brooks Robinson
3. Wade - Ellis Kinder
4. Tyrus - Elroy Face
5. Professor - Pie Traynor
6. Ronnie5
7. Big Ron - Rob Perranoski
8. Westlake - Vern Stephens
9. SS - Ted Abernathy

Round 13

1. SS
2. Westlake - George Sisler
3. Big Ron - Richie Ashburn
4. Ronnie5 -
5. Professor - Hal Newhouser
6. Tyrus - Minnie Minoso
7. Wade - Firpo Marberry
8. RMB - Luke Appling
9. TSS - Harry Brecheen

Round 14

1. TSS - Andy Messersmith
2. RMB - Stan Coveleski
3. Wade - Luis Tiant
4. Tyrus - Jim Bunning
5. Professor - Gabby Hartnett
6. Ronnie5
7. BigRon - Bill Freehan
8. Westlake - Mike Marshall
9. SS

Round 15

1. SS
2. Westlake - Dick Radatz
3. BigRon - Billy Pierce
4. Ronnie5 -
5. Professor - Bob Lemon
6. Tyrus - Pete Rose
7. Wade - Ernie Lombardi
8. RMB - Tommy Bridge
9. TSS - Phil Neikro

Round 16

1. TSS - Don Sutton
2. RMB - Ted Simmons
3. Wade - Carl Mays
4. Tyrus - Jim Kaat
5. Professor - Lou Brock
6. BigRon - Wally Berger
7. Westlake - Lindy McDaniel
8. SS

Round 17

1. SS -
2. Westlake - Allie Reynolds
3. BigRon - Don McMahon
4. Professor - Lefty Gomez
5. Tyrus - Buck Ewing
6. Wade - Frankie Frisch
7. RMB - Eppa Rixey
8. TSS - Sam McDowell

Round 18

1. TSS - Al Rosen
2. RMB - Roger Conner
3. Wade - Chief Bender
4. Tyrus - Tommy John
5. Professor - Ducky Medwick
6. BigRon - Billy Williams
7. Westlake - Ray Schalk
8. SS

Round 19

1. SS
2. Westlake - Dom DiMaggio
3. BigRon - Virgil Trucks
4. Professor - Red Ruffing
5. Tyrus - Early Wynn
6. Wade - Earl Averill
7. RMB - Clay Carroll
8. TSS - Toby Harrah

Round 20

1. TSS - Ed Delahanty
2. RMB - Billy Herman
3. Wade - Tony Lazzeri
4. Tyrus - Joe Sewell
5. Professor - Catfish Hunter
6. BigRon - Orlando Cepeda
7. Westlake - Pete Reiser
8. SS

Round 21

1. SS
2. Westlake - Joe Page
3. BigRon - Bobby Shantz
4. Professor - Ralph Kiner
5. Tyrus - Sherry Magee
6. Wade - Ted Lyons
7. RMB - Max Carey
8. TSS - Gene Tenace

Round 22

1. TSS - Gil McDonald
2. RMB - Dizzy Trout
3. Wade - Pee Wee Reese
4. Tyrus
5. Professor - Bobby Doerr
6. BigRon - Junior Gilliam
7. Westlake - Tex Hughson
8. SS

Round 23

1. SS
2. Westlake - Rabbit Maranville
3. Big Ron - Maury Wills
4. Professor - Don Newcombe
5. Tyrus - Joe McGinnity
6. Wade - Tim McCarver
7. RMB - Stan Hack
8. TSS - Charlie Keller

Round 24

1. TSS - Darrell Evans
2. RMB - Amos Rusie
3. Wade - Chuck Klein
4. Tyrus - Darold Knowles
5. Professor - Phil Rizzuto
6. Big Ron - Jack Quinn
7. Westlake - Preacher Roe
8. SS

Round 25

1. SS
2. Westlake - Frank Linzy
3. Big Ron - Smoky Burgess
4. Professor - Mike Cuellar
5. Tyrus - Joe Wood
6. Wade - Babe Herman
7. RMB - Max Lanier
8. TSS - Bobby Bonds

[BigRon]

Here is the draft order:

1. Shoreline Steve
2. Westlake
3. BigRon
4. Ronnie5
5. Professor
6. Tyrus
7. Wade
8. RMB
9. TSS

Official clock doesnt start til tomorrow at 8 AM CST.

Maybe I missed it, but:
1. Are we drafting 25 players?
2. What is the first year a player could appear in the Majors and be eligible, e.g. 1890, 1900, etc.?
3. What is the last Rookie season for a player to be eligible? I think it's 1969- just want to be sure.
4. Are Negro League players eligible or ineligible?
5. Are Japanese League players eligible/ineligible?
6. Is this a Snake Draft? If it is, the order would be 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-1-2-3- etc.
7. Is there a minimum number of pitchers on the 25 man roster, if that's what we're using? I would suggest a minimum of 9 pitchers on a 25 man roster, but that's up to Westlake.

[Westlake]

Some have been answered, but not all.

1. Yes, 25 players.
2. You can draft any player that was in the Major Leagues before 1970. Just know that a team that fields a bunch of guys from the 1880s will be laughed at and those players may contract a common cold that will lead to their death.
3. 1969.
4. No Japanese leaguers.
5. No Negro League players.
6. Yes, it's a snake draft.
7. Nine pitchers sounds like a good minimum. Let's roll with that.

[ShorelineSteve]

Wowsers, I have first pick.

I guess I'll Kick this thing off by picking a player. I'll take Babe Ruth.

Even though i wasn't sure who to take, I really don't think I can go wrong picking Ruth.

[BigRon]

Here is the draft order:

1. Shoreline Steve
2. Westlake
3. BigRon
4. Ronnie5
5. Professor
6. Tyrus
7. Wade
8. RMB
9. TSS

Official clock doesnt start til tomorrow at 8 AM CST.

Is 8 AM CST the same as 8 AM Eastern DAylight Time? I think so, but am not sure.

I see Shoreline Steve jumped the gun on his first pick. I assume that's okay?

Do you or someone on the thread know how to set up a time clock?

When a person makes a pick, I would suggest that he PM the next person in line in case they're not paying close attention.

Westlake, will you show the picks round by round at the top of this thread? We did that in the Alphabet Draft and it was very helpful.

Also, it would be helpful to create another thread where each team can post their rosters. We found that to be very helpful, too. Made it a lot easier to compare teams and understand individual strategy.

[Wade8813]

Westlake said in the other thread that we can start at any time - we're just not officially on the clock until the official start time.

I'm pretty sure PMing shouldn't help, because you only see PMs if you come onto BBF, and if you get on BBF, you should be responsible enough to check to see if it's your turn.

I do hope Westlake will keep editing the first post.

I agree rosters help, but we usually don't need them until we're a few rounds in.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Is 8 AM CST the same as 8 AM Eastern DAylight Time?

No I believe EDT is an hour ahead (8 AM CST=9 AM EDT). But I'm not 100% sure because with all the locations and daylight savings, it gets more confusing than you'd think.

[BigRon]

No I believe EDT is an hour ahead (8 AM CST=9 AM EDT). But I'm not 100% sure because with all the locations and daylight savings, it gets more confusing than you'd think.

Okay, let's think about this. If it's 8 AM Central Standard Time (CST), it's one hour later- 9 AM- Eastern Standard Time, when both are on standard time. But, when changing to Daylight Savings Time, 8 AM EST becomes 9 AM EDT. So, when it's 9 AM EDT, it's 8 AM CDT- one hour behind. But, 8 AM CDT is the same as 9 AM CST.

So, where does that leave us? My head's going to explode! Why don't we just use Central Daylight Time or Eastern Daylight Time, since we're on Daylight Time now?

Help?

[BigRon]

Is Westlake up? Isn't his time almost up? Or, is it already up? I can't tell.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Okay, let's think about this. If it's 8 AM Central Standard Time (CST), it's one hour later- 9 AM- Eastern Standard Time, when both are on standard time. But, when changing to Daylight Savings Time, 8 AM EST becomes 9 AM EDT. So, when it's 9 AM EDT, it's 8 AM CDT- one hour behind. But, 8 AM CDT is the same as 9 AM CST.

So, where does that leave us? My head's going to explode! Why don't we just use Central Daylight Time or Eastern Daylight Time, since we're on Daylight Time now?

Help?

Ha ha I'd just pick ASAP when your turn rolls around because I'm EST too.

[RuthMayBond]

My bad, I think Westlake has one more hour

[RuthMayBond]

Ha ha I'd just pick ASAP when your turn rolls around because I'm EST too.Because you have to know WHEN your turn rolls around :think:

[Westlake]

CRAZY dad at work. Jesus. My clock was running until 4 central time, which is the exact time it is right now.

Ted Williams.

[Westlake]

8 AM central time. 9 AM eastern time. 6 AM Pacific.

[RuthMayBond]

CRAZY dad at work.We don't need to know your personal life (that was a joke if you are a dad, wasn't trying to be mean)

<Jesus.>

You want Mr. Colome?

[BigRon]

8 AM central time. 9 AM eastern time. 6 AM Pacific.

Yeah, but is that 8 AM central time STANDARD time or DAYLIGHT SAVINGS time??

[Wade8813]

Yeah, but is that 8 AM central time STANDARD time or DAYLIGHT SAVINGS time??
His clock was running until 4pm Central, which was the time when he made the post. Just figure it out from there. (And make your pick).

[BigRon]

Okay, I'm up. So many great players to choose from. The 2 best hitters are already gone. What to do? Well, I think I'll take the very best player at a tough position...

Honus Wagner, The Flying Dutchman.

I think Ronnie 5 is up next.

[Westlake]

What time zone are you in? Look at the time. Whatever that is.

[Westlake]

We don't need to know your personal life (that was a joke if you are a dad, wasn't trying to be mean)

<Jesus.>

You want Mr. Colome?

It was supposed to say "Crazy day at work."

[BigRon]

What time zone are you in? Look at the time. Whatever that is.

I'm in the Eastern Time Zone. It's now 6:25 PM Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I have no idea what time it is in Central Standard Time.

[Wade8813]

CRAZY dad at work. Jesus. My clock was running until 4 central time, which is the exact time it is right now.



I'm in the Eastern Time Zone. It's now 6:25 PM Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I have no idea what time it is in Central Standard Time.

Westlake made that post an hour and a half ago. It was 4 o'clock then. Which means it is now 5:30 his time; an hour behind you.

[BigRon]

Westlake made that post an hour and a half ago. It was 4 o'clock then. Which means it is now 5:30 his time; an hour behind you.

Got it! BUT- it''s 5:30 CENTRAL DAYLIGHT TIME, not CENTRAL STANDARD TIME.

Just joking around. But it seems to me that it would be easiest just to pick some Daylight Savings Time reference point, and use it.

[The Splendid Splinter]

We usually used EST in the past drafts. Never had any problem with that.

I understand how some people get confused on the standard and daylight time. My town sucks with that. We're on EST but if you go a mile or two north, its CDT or CST. I can't remember which. So basically I get to celebrate 2 new years every year. LOL Wait where do they have Eastern Daylight Savings Time?

[The Splendid Splinter]

Also I already had a roster page thread made up from a past draft that never got going. It's titled All Time Draft #6 Rosters. I already got the 25 mean roster lineup ready for you guys as well. This is if you wanna use it anyway.

[BigRon]

Is it my imagination, or are we off to a s s l l o o o w w w w start?

[Westlake]

I texted Ronnie that it was his turn... don't know if he'll get off his lazy arse to make a pic tonight. I think his time runs out early tomorrow morning.

[ronnie5]

Ill take rogers hornsby...I havent been in this site in like 3 years so bear with me

[Wade8813]

Ill take rogers hornsby...I havent been in this site in like 3 years so bear with me

No...! You took Hornsby, so I'm not gonna bear with you *shakefist*.

[BigRon]

Who's up? Professor?

Four picks in 24 hours isn't so hot- especially in the first round!

[Professor]

Still so many choices! I'll take my favorite Hall of Famer.....the Iron Horse.

Lou Gehrig

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I thought he'd be taken by now, but I'll pick Ty Cobb

[RuthMayBond]

please delete, my PC is screwed up

[Wade8813]

Well, this was unexpected. Every single player I wanted for my first pick is gone. Often one is still around, even if we have more people drafting.

I kind of want to avoid taking someone who's clearly worse than another player just taken - it makes me feel like I'm starting with a handicap (although it's not necessarily true)... I'll take Walter Johnson.

[RuthMayBond]

Well, this was unexpected. Every single player I wanted for my first pick is gone.I'm used to it

"I kind of want to avoid taking someone who's clearly worse than another player just taken - it makes me feel like I'm starting with a handicap (although it's not necessarily true)"

I don't know, I'll take Cy Young

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well I guess I'll take Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle...

http://mysite.verizon.net/jack123_21044/mantle-mays-auto-photo.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

That means I better get up close to my stereo and select a speaker.
Tris, to be precise

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

That means I better get up close to my stereo and select a speaker.
Tris, to be precise

Always good when I can play center field in the summer sun, listening to your Speaker and eating my corn on the Cobb (freshly picked off Splinter's Mantle from the hedge Mays)

...that was so much funnier in my head.

I like Splinter's idea; we can use his thread for All-time Daft #6 for our rosters. Why waste it?

[RuthMayBond]

Always good when I can play center field in the summer sun, listening to your Speaker and eating my corn on the Cobb (freshly picked off Splinter's Mantle from the hedge Mays)

...that was so much funnier in my head.

I like Splinter's idea; we can use his thread for All-time Daft #6 for our rosters.I think your opening sentence just qualified

[BigRon]

Well I guess I'll take Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle...

http://mysite.verizon.net/jack123_21044/mantle-mays-auto-photo.jpg

Not nice- hoarding players from one position!

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Wade has about two and a half hours then I'll make my pick.

[Wade8813]

Sorry, I had to run off to work, and didn't have time to send a PM. I'll try not to let it happen ever again.

I'll take Arky Vaughan.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'll snag Lefty Grove.

[Professor]

I will drop The Hammer and take Hank Aaron here. Still the Home Run King in my eyes!

[BigRon]

I'm not trying to be a pain- but I still can't figure out when time's up for people. Professor took Aaron at 2:24 AM BBF clock time, which I believe is 6:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, where I'm located. I don't know when Ronnie 5's clock started, and I don't know when his time is up.

The only reason this is a big deal to me now is that I'm out of town for the next week or so and don't have continuous access to a computer. I actually can only get to one once or twice a day. So, it will be easy for me to miss my window, which I don't want to do. I don't want to potentially miss an important pick, and I don't want to slow the draft down unnecesarily, either.

As of now, I don't know how much more time Ronnie 5 has on the clock. This is important because it's hard for me to schedule another visit to a computer. Oh well....

[Wade8813]

It is currently 12:15 for purposes of this thread (which makes it 1:15 your time). The clock doesn't run from 2 am - 8 am, which would be 3 am - 9 am your time. Professor picked during the dead period, which means Ronnie5's clock didn't start until the dead period ended (9 am your time). He then has 8 hours after that (until 5 pm your time).

[BigRon]

It is currently 12:15 for purposes of this thread (which makes it 1:15 your time). The clock doesn't run from 2 am - 8 am, which would be 3 am - 9 am your time. Professor picked during the dead period, which means Ronnie5's clock didn't start until the dead period ended (9 am your time). He then has 8 hours after that (until 5 pm your time).

Thanks. If possible I'll check the computer at about 5 PM EDT- can't guarantee it, though. I'd like to get my next pick in then, because I won't have access to a computer again until about 12 Noon EDT Sunday. THat would really slow the draft down and I'd also more than run out my clock. I hate holding the next voter(s) up.

If I can't get my pick in I'll try to PM it to somebody.

[Westlake]

Didn't you guys just do another draft? What's the big difference between the time thing?

[ronnie5]

I'll take Jimmie Foxx

[The Splendid Splinter]

Didn't you guys just do another draft? What's the big difference between the time thing?

I don't know... He's making a big deal out of it for some reason.

I wonder if he knows he can set the time to his time zone in his settings? Maybe he has it on a different time zone setting???

[The Splendid Splinter]

BigRon wants Grover Cleveland Alexander...

[Westlake]

I'll take Joe Dimaggio.

[ShorelineSteve]

I'll take Mathews and Mathewson, Eddie Mathews and Christy Mathewson.

[BigRon]

Is Westlake's time up yet? I think so, but am not sure. I'll wait for a while.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Technically he has until 4 pm EST because ShorelineSteve picked in the dead time.

What were you doing up at 2:30 in the morning anyway?:nosleep::coffee

[BigRon]

Technically he has until 4 pm EST because ShorelineSteve picked in the dead time.

What were you doing up at 2:30 in the morning anyway?:nosleep::coffee

Okay, it's now 3:30 PM Eastern DAYLIGHT Time, which is 2:30 PM EST. So, if you're correct, Westlake' has another hour+.

So, I've got a problem. I've only got access to a computer for another 10 minutes, until tomorrow. THerefore I'll have to PM my next pick to Wade and/or T S S. Sorry about that, but that's all I can do.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Okay, it's now 3:30 PM Eastern DAYLIGHT Time, which is 2:30 PM EST. So, if you're correct, Westlake' has another hour+.

So, I've got a problem. I've only got access to a computer for another 10 minutes, until tomorrow. THerefore I'll have to PM my next pick to Wade and/or T S S. Sorry about that, but that's all I can do.

That's fine though. At least you send picks to other people in this draft so we can keep it going. Sometime people don't do that and the draft takes even longer cuz we would have to wait for the full 8 hours before picking again.

[BigRon]

That's fine though. At least you send picks to other people in this draft so we can keep it going. Sometime people don't do that and the draft takes even longer cuz we would have to wait for the full 8 hours before picking again.

T S S, I just PM'd you and Wade with my Round 3 pick. You can post it as soon as Westlake's clock runs out. THanks.

[Westlake]

Thank god for AIM. TSS just reminded me so i'll be making my pick momentarily.

[Westlake]

I'll take Stan Musial.

[The Splendid Splinter]

BigRon wants Frank Robinson...

[ronnie5]

I'll take Shoeless Joe Jackson

[Professor]

I will take Warren Spahn.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Eddie Collins for me, please.

[RuthMayBond]

Wade PMed me that he wants Seaver.
And CURSE you, Tyrus4189 :hissyfit:

[RuthMayBond]

Not only am I taking Joe Morgan, he's going to be LEADING the chatter against your team

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

And CURSE you, Tyrus4189 :hissyfit:

Guess what? (http://adventuressundressed.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/albert-einstein1.jpg)

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well I guess I'll take the leftover on 2B and get Nap Lajoie...

http://bioproj.sabr.org/bp_ftp/images2/LajoieNap.jpg

and to finish out my OF... my leadoff hitter... Billy Hamilton

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Billy_Hamilton_Baseball_Card.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

Dang, I'm surprised SS George Davis is . . .
. . . WAS available

[Wade8813]

Continuing the run on CFers - I'll take Bucketfoot Al, also known as Al Simmons. He's definitely a step down from the Big 5, but I see him as a step above the other CFers available (I'd say ~tied with Billy Hamilton).

[BigRon]

I'll take Mathews and Mathewson, Eddie Mathews and Christy Mathewson.

Mathews is an excellent pick- no other 3Bers really close to him. I was very interested in him, but....

[BigRon]

BigRon wants Frank Robinson...

Well, actually I wanted Musial, but.... Westlake beat me by 3 minutes, at the end of his shift. Hmmm.....

So, I'm 0 for 3 on guys I wanted- Johnson, Musial, Mathews.

[RuthMayBond]

Well, actually I wanted Musial, but.... Westlake beat me by 3 minutes, at the end of his shift. Hmmm.....

So, I'm 0 for 3 on guys I wanted- Johnson, Musial, Mathews.I would have traded ya draft positions ;)
You didn't want Wagner?

[BigRon]

I would have traded ya draft positions ;)
You didn't want Wagner?

What I meant was, guys who I was hoping for in my next pick- sometimes still available right up to the pick in front of me. I definitely wanted Wagner, after Ruth was gone. Far and away the best at his position.

[Westlake]

Tyrus has until 8:21 Central, 9:21 Eastern to pick.

[Westlake]

Well, actually I wanted Musial, but.... Westlake beat me by 3 minutes, at the end of his shift. Hmmm.....


My clock started at 8 AM so I had til 4.. so I actually picked 25 min before my time was up.

[RuthMayBond]

Tyrus has until 8:21 Central, 9:21 Eastern to pick.Yer up, Professor :hyper:

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Wow didn't expect things to move so fast. I'll take Johnny Bench

[Professor]

All right then. I suppose that I'll get us moving and make my pick. I could go a few different ways, but like this guy said:

"When you come to the fork in the road, take it."

Yogi Berra

[Wade8813]

Wow didn't expect things to move so fast. I'll take Johnny Bench Yeah - between myself, RMB, and TSS, those 6 picks will probably fly by most rounds. We've all done this a few times, and all tend to stay on top of things.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Yeah - between myself, RMB, and TSS, those 6 picks will probably fly by most rounds. We've all done this a few times, and all tend to stay on top of things.

Also in the last draft, it was me/Wade/RMB so we're used to being next to each other in drafts.

[BigRon]

Yeah - between myself, RMB, and TSS, those 6 picks will probably fly by most rounds. We've all done this a few times, and all tend to stay on top of things.

I'm normally able to follow things pretty closely and make quick picks. This week I'm out of town and have very sporadic access to a computer, so things can get gummed up. Case in point- Ronnie 5 is up now, before me. He's been on the clock for quite a while, but apparently has a couple of hours left. It's going to be tough for me to get to a computer later this PM, but I'll try to do so.

[BigRon]

Okay, it's now 11:50 AM BBF clock time, which is 3:50 PM EDT (my time), or 2:50 PM CDT. In any case, it appears to me that Ronnie 5's time is up, since Professor picked at 7:04 PM BBF clock time yesterday.

So, I'll make my pick. Still lots of great players out there. I want another ace pitcher, so I'll take the guy who I think is the best one remaining...

Rapid Robert- Bob Feller.

This is so strange. I was in the Alphabet Draft recently with some of you guys. Three of my first four picks are the same as I took the last time. This wasn't my plan, but it turned out that way- weird.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Any objections to using the Roster thread for all-time draft #6 for this one? Might as well use it. If so, I'd like to start putting out my roster.

[BigRon]

Any objections to using the Roster thread for all-time draft #6 for this one? Might as well use it. If so, I'd like to start putting out my roster.

Sounds good to me. We're in Round 4- a good time to start posting rosters. What do others think?

[Westlake]

I gave Ronnie a heads up, he's probably still at work. My internet goes out for hours at a time so I might as well pick now. I'll take Sandy Koufax.

[ronnie5]

I'll take Mordecai Brown

[ShorelineSteve]

Gimme Duke Snider and Rube Waddel.

[Westlake]

Bob Gibson

[BigRon]

Okay, just got access to a computer. Hmmm, the Duke would have been a good pick for me, but....

Well, I'll take the guy who appears to me to be the best overall position player left on the board-

Mel Ott.

This will allow me to play Frank Robinson in his best natural position, left field. Robby was a fine outfielder, but his arm was just okay- he was better suited to left, where he played when he first came up.

[Professor]

That was not a good pick, Ron. Not a good pick at all. You'll probably want to throw him back after you reconsider your error. Actually, I'm surprised that Melvin lasted this long. I would have taken him last time but I wanted to get my catcher.

[Professor]

Clarifying question that just occurred to me......I think my assumption is correct but I'm just making sure.

I remember that we have a 9-pitcher minimum, so we all must have 9 or more hurlers at the end. With position players, I'm under the impression that the minimum requirement is that you must be able to field a "starting nine," and then your bench can be configured as you wish. Meaning, you can have five first-basemen if you like, as long as you have a legit starter at every other position. Did I characterize this right?

[RuthMayBond]

That was not a good pick, Ron. Not a good pick at all. You'll probably want to throw him back after you reconsider your error. Actually, I'm surprised that Melvin lasted this long. Yep, there are probably only a couple truly elite players left

[BigRon]

That was not a good pick, Ron. Not a good pick at all. You'll probably want to throw him back after you reconsider your error. Actually, I'm surprised that Melvin lasted this long. I would have taken him last time but I wanted to get my catcher.

Yes, I'm already lamenting my pick. Too bad we don't have trades- maybe I could get someone like Irv Noren for him.

[RuthMayBond]

Yes, I'm already lamenting my pick. Too bad we don't have trades- maybe I could get someone like Irv Noren for him.Don't settle for him. I'd give ya Rafael Belliard AT LEAST, maybe Larry Littleton

[Professor]

Don't settle for him. I'd give ya Rafael Belliard AT LEAST, maybe Larry Littleton

Ah, both sadly ineligible for our draft. Otherwise, they would be on my radar.

I'll draft Eddie Gaedel and deal him for Melvin.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Since we're keeping true to pre-1970s ball and avoiding the DH, should we also have like a 22-man roster (becuase eventually we'll run out of the better players) with a four-man rotation?

[RuthMayBond]

Since we're keeping true to pre-1970s ball and avoiding the DH, should we also have like a 22-man roster (becuase eventually we'll run out of the better players) with a four-man rotation?We're only avoiding players who didn't start pre-1970. There are some pre-1970s guys who were pretty good DHs.

[Westlake]

No, we'll do a 25-man roster. There are only nine of us, so it shouldn't be very hard. You can have 4, 5 or even 6-man rotations if you want. That's a managerial move, not something i'd be in charge of. Same with the five first baseman thing.

[Professor]

No, we'll do a 25-man roster. There are only nine of us, so it shouldn't be very hard. You can have 4, 5 or even 6-man rotations if you want. That's a managerial move, not something i'd be in charge of. Same with the five first baseman thing.

Sounds good, Westlake. But at the least, you do need ONE of every position, right? You couldn't just say, "Heck with it, there are no good catchers left, so I won't even draft a catcher." I'm assuming you need to be able to field a full team.

[Westlake]

Right. Since the requirement is 35% to be eligible at a position, you need someone that qualifies at each position on the field.

[ronnie5]

I'll take Ernie Banks

[Professor]

I'll go with the Original Lefty.....not Phil Mickelson.

Steve Carlton

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Al Kaline.

[Wade8813]

I'll take Harmon Killebrew. He played 35.29% of his games at 3B - just barely enough.

[RuthMayBond]

I'll go to Carl's and order the Meal Ticket

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'll go to Carl's and order the Meal Ticket

I hate you....

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well... I'll take Dick Allen for 3B...

http://www.expressfan.com/dickallenhof/misc/1970si.jpg

and Joe Torre for C...

http://www.wcnet.org/~dlfleitz/torre.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

I am :waving at all others while I am pleased at my catch.
He must have weighed a (carl) ton, but don't mess with the original Pudge

[Wade8813]

Well... I'll take Dick Allen for 3B...

http://www.expressfan.com/dickallenhof/misc/1970si.jpg
Nice pic...


I am :waving at all others while I am pleased at my catch.
He must have weighed a (carl) ton, but don't mess with the original Pudge
The original Pudge? You mean Fred Haney, who played in 1922? :laugh


I'll take Whitey Ford.

[RuthMayBond]

The original Pudge? You mean Fred Haney, who played in 1922? :laugh

Could be one of my relatives. My grandpa's last name was Haney, and he would have been 23 that year

[BigRon]

Any objections to using the Roster thread for all-time draft #6 for this one? Might as well use it. If so, I'd like to start putting out my roster.

Have we agreed that we're going to use the All Time Draft #6 Roster thread for our rosters? Nobody's posted so far.

[RuthMayBond]

Ya missed it Tyrus (I'm pretty sure),
yer up, Professor

[Wade8813]

Have we agreed that we're going to use the All Time Draft #6 Roster thread for our rosters? Nobody's posted so far.

Who cares? Just use it. It doesn't even matter.

And even if it DID somehow matter, all you'd have to do is copy + paste it into the other thread.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Who cares? Just use it. It doesn't even matter.

And even if it DID somehow matter, all you'd have to do is copy + paste it into the other thread.

Yeah I agree... I've been leaving the roster empty so you guys can copy and paste it... You guys better do that soon so we don't pick a guy that already been picked (surprisingly it hasn't happened yet). Next time I pick... I'm going to fill in my roster so copy/paste the roster before that.

[Professor]

I hope someone has a Big Antidote, because I'm taking some Big Poison.

Paul Waner

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Unprecedented missed pick; my internet connection was severed due to lighting. Sorry folks.

Let me try one: I'll celebrate Latino pride with one burrito and a side of Manito.

....Nope, still bad at it :choke: But I do want Juan Marichal.

[BigRon]

Ronnie 5's up. This is my only shot at the computer until tomorrow AM, so I'll PM my next pick to T S S and Wade. One of them can post my pick tonight if Ronnie 5 makes his.

[ronnie5]

I'll take Roy Campanella

[Wade8813]

Big Ron wants Jackie Robinson

[Westlake]

I'll take 3B Dick Allen.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'll take 3B Dick Allen.

Already got him...

[Wade8813]

I'll take 3B Dick Allen.

TSS just took him - and posted that right before I did... :laugh

So, what's the rule if someone picks an ineligible player? In some drafts, if you take an ineligible player, we don't wait for you. The next person can pick, and you just have to make up your pick - it's your fault for making a mistake. Other drafts pretend the pick never happened; you're still on the clock.

Anyone have a way to contact Westlake?

[Westlake]

Maybe it shouldn't count if you're caught stealing graphics. Hold on, i'll make another pick now.

[Westlake]

Johnny Mize

[ShorelineSteve]

Rod Carew and Harry Heillman

[RuthMayBond]

Based upon some things I'm seeing, I'm guessing that players may not be evaluated the way that was originally said. So now it will color which guys I pick. Wish I could say more without giving it away but you guys are smart

[BigRon]

Okay, this is my last shot at the computer today. Westlake's up and he's still got quite a bit of time left. I'll PM my next pick to T S S and Wade.

[Wade8813]

Westlake's time is more than up. BigRon wants Robin Roberts

[Westlake]

This is what happens when you're stuck in an airport for 12 hours. Mickey Cochrane.

[RuthMayBond]

Isn't Shoreline Steve's time up?

[Wade8813]

Isn't Shoreline Steve's time up?

Shoreline Steve picked (Carew and Heilmann). I made a pick for BigRon after Westlake got skipped. Ronnie5 got skipped as of ~ 12 pm my time (3 pm Eastern). Tyrus is on the clock until 8:05 pm my time.

I should be around then, but if not, RMB was PM'd my pick.



EDIT: It's actually Professor who's on the clock, not Tyrus (and accidentally leaving the 'l' out of clock is a bad typo... )

[Professor]

This has been a little convoluted, but I think I'm okay to pick now.

I'll take Charlie Gehringer.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Shoreline Steve picked (Carew and Heilmann). I made a pick for BigRon after Westlake got skipped. Ronnie5 got skipped as of ~ 12 pm my time (3 pm Eastern). Tyrus is on the clock until 8:05 pm my time.

I should be around then, but if not, RMB was PM'd my pick.

It was actually Professor that was on the clock, not Tyrus. Now Tyrus is on the clock (which I think he has until tomorrow sometime due to dead time)...

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Shoreline Steve picked (Carew and Heilmann). I made a pick for BigRon after Westlake got skipped. Ronnie5 got skipped as of ~ 12 pm my time (3 pm Eastern). Tyrus is on the clock until 8:05 pm my time.

I should be around then, but if not, RMB was PM'd my pick.

With the 2-8 "dead' time, that put ronnie5 on the clock until about 1 pm EST because Wade picked for Big Ron at 11:05 my time. That meant professor had until 10 pm EST. Then me.

I think. I'm actually only posting this so people don't think I've neglected this again, because I haven't.

Whatever, I'll take Hank Greenberg

[Wade8813]

Well, there went the last 2nd baseman I wanted...

I'll take Stargell.



(I hate it when I'm using the Quick Reply function, and accidentally hit +Reply to Thread, and delete it...)

[RuthMayBond]

I'm confused too, but hopefully taking Ed Walsh makes sense

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm confused too, but hopefully taking Ed Walsh makes sense

Again... I really hate you. LOL

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well... I guess I'm gonna go with another route.

Hoyt Wilhelm

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0608/gallery.MLBtoprookieclosers/images/WILHELM.jpg

and

Sparky Lyle

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/12/23/yankee.clippers/lyle.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

Again... I really hate you. LOLI do like to stir the drink ...
especially in a certain month.
REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE! REG-GIE!

[Wade8813]

I'll take Sam Crawford to be my leadoff hitter.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Rollie Fingers for me

[BigRon]

The Professor is up and has some time left. Then Ronnie 5's up, and he missed his last pick, I think- so he'll have 2, I believe. This is my last shot at the computer again until tomorrow PM, so I'll P M TSS and Wade with my Round 8 pick.

[Professor]

Wow -- after the glacial pace of the last few days, I never thought I'd be up again so soon! Excellent! I will make my pick in just a couple minutes here.....

[Professor]

To ensure that no runner goes from first to third on a single to rightfield, I'll take Roberto Clemente.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Ronnie5 will be skipped until he makes up his picks... which is up to 2 I believe so it's BigRon's turn..

BigRon wants Willie McCovey...

[RuthMayBond]

I'm thinking someone missed their clock

[Westlake]

Sorry i'm out of town until tonight so thats why ive been late. I'll make my pick now..

[Westlake]

Frank Baker. I'll update the first page tonight.

[ShorelineSteve]

Bill Dickey and Norm Cash

[BigRon]

Jeez- what's happening to our draft? Ronnie5 hasn't been heard from in days. We're now in Round 9- Westlake hasn't picked yet. I think his time is up, but am not sure. I'll wait a little longer, then make my Round 9 pick.

[RuthMayBond]

Jeez- what's happening to our draft? Ronnie5 hasn't been heard from in days. We're now in Round 9- Westlake hasn't picked yet. I think his time is up, but am not sure. I'll wait a little longer, then make my Round 9 pick.I think as of an hour ago you could have picked?

[BigRon]

Okay, I'll pick now.

I need a top-flight lefthander for my starting rotation. I'll take a guy who won 326 games...

Gettysburg Eddie Plank.

[Professor]

Since we're skipping Ronnie5 until he returns, I'll pick now.....Jim Palmer.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I think I'm up and will take Lou Boudreau

[Wade8813]

I'll take Dan Brouthers.

[RuthMayBond]

D-oh!!!!!!

[The Splendid Splinter]

Goose started in 1972 so he doesn't count and pick again...

Well I better get some SPs before they're gone...

Addie Joss...

http://blog.cleveland.com/tribe_impact/2008/10/josswarmup.jpg

and

Kid Nichols...

http://baseballcrank.com/nichols1901a.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

Goose started in 1972 so he doesn't count and pick again...

Well, at least you didn't take either of my guys

Anson and Yaz

[Wade8813]

I'll take Eddie Cicotte

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I better jump on Splinter's bandwagon: Nolan Ryan.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

1. TSS - Joe Torre
2. RMB - Carlton Fisk
3. Wade - Whitey Ford
4. Tyrus - Juan Marichal
5. Professor - Paul Waner
6. Ronnie5 - Roy Campanella
7. BigRon - Jackie Robinson
8. Westlake - Johnny Mize
SS - Rod Carew

Round 7
SS- Harry Heilmann
Westlake- Mickey Cochrane
BigRon- Robin Roberts
Ronnie5-
Professor- Charlie Gehringer
Tyrus-Hank Greenberg
Wade- Willie Stargell
RMB- Ed Walsh
TSS- Hoyt Wilhelm

Round 8
TSS- Sparky Lyle
RMB- Reggie Jackson
Wade- Sam Crawford
Tyrus- Rollie Fingers
Professor- Roberto Clemente
ronnie5-
BigRon- Willie McCovey
Westlake- Frank Baker
SS- Bill Dickey

Round 9
SS- Norm Cash
Westlake-
BigRon- Eddie Plank
Professor- Jim Palmer
Tyrus- Lou Boudreau
Wade- Dan Brouthers
RMB- Cap Anson
TSS- Addie Joss

Round 10
TSS- Kid Nichols
RMB- Carl Yastrzemski
Wade- Eddie Cicotte
Tyrus- Nolan Ryan
Professor-
Ronnie5
BigRon
Westlake
SS

Just to help.

[Westlake]

I was stranded overnight because of missed connections twice over the last 4 days. Worst travel experience ever. I'll get on this stuff tonight. I'll put in a call to Ronnie also.

I'll take Dazzy Vance

[Professor]

Well, I need a shortstop, and that will be Mr. Joe Cronin.

[BigRon]

Since Ronnie5 hasn't been heard from in days, can I pick now or should I wait? I think we said we were skipping him until he showed up again.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Since Ronnie5 hasn't been heard from in days, can I pick now or should I wait? I think we said we were skipping him until he showed up again.

Keep going... We'll be skipping him until he make up all of his picks... is he up to 3 or 4 picks now?

[BigRon]

Okay, I'll keep things rolling along.

Hmmm, very little activity on 3Bers so far. Mathews is far and away the best pure 3Ber- good pick by Shoreline Steve. Of the guys left, I see 8 or 9 or 10 who are pretty close in performance, though with different skills.

Well, I'd like another hitter with some wallop for my lineup. Four or 5 of those guys fit the bill. But, I'd like really good defense too. Five or 6 are top-notch defensive guys. But, only a few combine real pop with really good defense.

Well, I'll take a guy who may not be the best of the bunch, but he's real close, IMO.
Good average, decent OBA, good power- and a really really good fielder. I enjoyed following him throughout his career.

He's not a HOFer, though I think he has a decent case. BTW, I think this will be the first non-HOFer picked (besides Joe Jackson, who really doesn't count).

I'll take...

The Captain, Kenny Boyer.

[Westlake]

Ill take Gaylord Perry.

[ShorelineSteve]

I'll take Don Drysdale and Urban Shocker.

[RuthMayBond]

I'll take Don Drysdale and Urban Shocker.That is a shocker, but then again, Wade didn't get away Cicotte-free

[BigRon]

Ill take Gaylord Perry.

Am I wrong, or is Westlake a pick behind? I think he missed his Round 9 pick. He picked Perry in Round 10, but doesn't appear to have made up his Round 9 pick.

Now he's up for Round 11. I think he's due 2 picks- Round 11 AND Round 9. Am I right or wrong?

[Professor]

I think you're right, Ron.

On another note, we may have to address Ronnie5's squad if he doesn't return. I'd prefer that he did, but if not, there's no sense in having 6 great ballplayers dangling out there on a vacated team. Ideas on handling this?

[Wade8813]

No, you're wrong. He picked Dazzy Vance for his round 9, and Perry for his round 10.

This is all of his picks

Westlake
Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize, Mickey Cochrane, Frank Baker, Dazzy Vance, Gaylord Perry

[RuthMayBond]

I think you're right, Ron.

On another note, we may have to address Ronnie5's squad if he doesn't return. I'd prefer that he did, but if not, there's no sense in having 6 great ballplayers dangling out there on a vacated team. Ideas on handling this?Maybe the guys who are at the END of draft order could get first crack? :rolleyes::pray::think::nod::crossfingers::hyper:: highfive:

[Professor]

No, you're wrong. He picked Dazzy Vance for his round 9, and Perry for his round 10.

This is all of his picks

Westlake
Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize, Mickey Cochrane, Frank Baker, Dazzy Vance, Gaylord Perry

Good catch. I do remember that now.

[BigRon]

No, you're wrong. He picked Dazzy Vance for his round 9, and Perry for his round 10.

This is all of his picks

Westlake
Ted Williams, Joe DiMaggio, Stan Musial, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize, Mickey Cochrane, Frank Baker, Dazzy Vance, Gaylord Perry

Oops! Sorry about that- missed it somehow.

Okay, he is up for Round 11 now.

[Wade8813]

On another note, we may have to address Ronnie5's squad if he doesn't return. I'd prefer that he did, but if not, there's no sense in having 6 great ballplayers dangling out there on a vacated team. Ideas on handling this?


Maybe the guys who are at the END of draft order could get first crack? :rolleyes::pray::think::nod::crossfingers::hyper:: highfive:

Lol - I'm pretty sure the only sane way to do that would be just to remove those players from the draft.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I think you're right, Ron.

On another note, we may have to address Ronnie5's squad if he doesn't return. I'd prefer that he did, but if not, there's no sense in having 6 great ballplayers dangling out there on a vacated team. Ideas on handling this?


Maybe the guys who are at the END of draft order could get first crack? :rolleyes::pray::think::nod::crossfingers::hyper:: highfive:


Lol - I'm pretty sure the only sane way to do that would be just to remove those players from the draft.

Hahaha... I would be all for that, but again the last 3-4 people wouldn't be able to get anyone since ronnie5 havent picked enough to give everyone a player yet. You would have to remove them from the draft. That's what we have done in the past. It sucks but it's fair IMO.

[RuthMayBond]

Hahaha... I would be all for that, but again the last 3-4 people wouldn't be able to get anyone since ronnie5 havent picked enough to give everyone a player yet.Oh, we would be willing to pass on our discards :think:

[Westlake]

I'll go with some defense up the middle... Bill Mazeroski.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Oh, we would be willing to pass on our discards :think:

True... they can have the choices of the ones we dropped... Interesting. :think: I like that. :hyper:

[Professor]

I'd favor a way to redistribute those players -- fairly -- instead of removing them altogether. We should come up with something creative. I'm thinking, I'm thinking...... :crazy

[BigRon]

Okay, I'm up. There are still some really good pitchers available. I'll take one who doesn't have the most wins of the guys still available, but who was a topflight pitcher for quite a few years...

Ferguson Jenkins.

[Professor]

I will take the last National Leaguer to hit .400 or better in a season:

Bill Terry

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

A more than worthy HoFer, I'll grab Ron Santo

[Wade8813]

I'd favor a way to redistribute those players -- fairly -- instead of removing them altogether. We should come up with something creative. I'm thinking, I'm thinking...... :crazy

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to do it in a way that's remotely fair.

I need a lefty out of the bullpen, so I'll take John Hiller.

[RuthMayBond]

Ya gotta believe . . .
. . . that I'm gonna take Tug McGraw

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well.... I want these 2 guys...

http://www.africanafrican.com/negroartist/negro%20league/slides/1937%20Satchel%20Paige%20Negro%20League%20Baseball %20Dizzy%20Dean.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

Time to sweep the floor, I'll take Brooksie

[RuthMayBond]

Well.... I want these 2 guys...

http://www.africanafrican.com/negroartist/negro%20league/slides/1937%20Satchel%20Paige%20Negro%20League%20Baseball %20Dizzy%20Dean.jpg

Um, I think we had a rule about guys like the one on the left

[The Splendid Splinter]

Um, I think we had a rule about guys like the one on the left

He played in the MLB... hahaha Found a Loophole!

[RuthMayBond]

He played in the MLB... hahaha Found a Loophole!

Then you ONLY have his MLB stats, good luck with the 31 wins or whatever, hahaha

[The Splendid Splinter]

Then you ONLY have his MLB stats, good luck with the 31 wins or whatever, hahaha

Hahaha yeah... He was still a good enough RP to be drafted in this all time draft. Plus it's Satchel. Can you imagine facing off Paige and his like 6+ pitches he had and then facing Wilhelm right after that. A lot of different looks on my pitching staff.

[Wade8813]

Time to sweep the floor, I'll take Brooksie

You don't sweep with a vacuum, goofball...

I'll take Ellis Kinder.

[RuthMayBond]

You don't sweep with a vacuum, goofball...You could have been kinder . . .

"I'll take Ellis Kinder."

. . . but then I guess you were

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Now we're getting to the point where I fear I'll regret any choices. So let's go with Elroy Face.

Does Paige really count? I mean, his stardom came in the Negro Leagues.

[Professor]

I will go with Harold Joseph Traynor to play the Hot Corner. But you can call him Pie.

Sure -- Satchel counts. It was said at the beginning, "No Negro League or Japanese players", but I took that to mean "no player who was exclusively a Negro League or Japanese player." If they played major league ball even for an inning, I would think they're fair game, but that's just my take on it.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'm presuming that's everyone else's call, but I disagree with it. I think we all considered him ineligible, otherwise he wouldn't have lasted this long. Oh well.

[RuthMayBond]

I'm presuming that's everyone else's call, but I disagree with it. I think we all considered him ineligible, otherwise he wouldn't have lasted this long. Oh well.At best he gets only the ML time. I'd sure like to hear from westlake

[Professor]

At best he gets only the ML time. I'd sure like to hear from westlake

Yes, I would think so too. You'd be able to pick these players, but their stats and heroic feats would not follow them into the major leagues, and get lumped in. You would only get the benefit of what they did while major leaguers. But only my take, again. I don't make no rules.

[Westlake]

Yup, he counts, but you're basically only going to take his ML stats into account.

[RuthMayBond]

Yes, I would think so too. You'd be able to pick these players, but their stats and heroic feats would not follow them into the major leagues, and get lumped in. You would only get the benefit of what they did while major leaguers. But only my take, again. I don't make no rules.And that's a best case. Westlake said no Negro Leaguers, and Paige was a Negro Leaguer (and for the vastly significant portion of his career)

[The Splendid Splinter]

And that's a best case. Westlake said no Negro Leaguers, and Paige was a Negro Leaguer (and for the vastly significant portion of his career)

Well when you say it like that... then Jackie Robinson/Willie Mays/Hank Aaron/etc... all don't count as they were also a Negro Leaguer at the beginning of their career. When I picked Paige, I wasn't thinking of making him a starter and have his NL career taken in account. I took him as a RP in my bullpen for what he did in MLB (if you actually check his MLB stats, you can see that he is worthy of being picked in this draft). I don't think anyone would have a problem with that. Yes it's a loophole given that he pretty much played the negro league his entire life, but he also played MLB.

[BigRon]

Now we're getting to the point where I fear I'll regret any choices. So let's go with Elroy Face.

Does Paige really count? I mean, his stardom came in the Negro Leagues.

Aarrggghhh!!! Elroy was going to anchor my bullpen.

[BigRon]

Okay, I'm up. I guess I'd better take a reliever- probably going to be a run on them. I wanted Face, but i'll settle for a lefty who was a real good reliever for the Dodgers and the Twins...

Ron Perranoski.

[Wade8813]

Of course he counts. And of course you only get his MLB years. It sounds like TSS is aware of that, and wants him anyway, as a "good enough reliever to take still".

[Westlake]

Vern Stephens

[BigRon]

Shoreline Steve is on the clock. I think he's got about an hour left, then Westlake's up again.

[Professor]

:sleepy: Two picks in almost 24 hours.........let's get a moooooove on!

[BigRon]

Here's a request. If you know you're going to be away from your computer and your turn is coming up within the next couple of turns, please PM your next pick- with a backup- to someone.

When I was out of town last week and had only sporadic access, I did this, and it worked well.

Wade's around a lot. So am I. So is R M B. Maybe others.

Things would go a lot quicker/better if we'd do this when possible.

[Westlake]

Well, you get 8 HRs for a reason. Just because you can get your pick in within 30 min every time doesn't mean everyone else can/will. This (and apparently the last draft) are BY FAR the fastest drafts that we've ever done at BBF. The rules are in place for a reason, not to bully everyone else into making their picks 7 HRs in advance.

Don't mean to be a jerk, but if you had been in past drafts you wouldn't be complaining. I'll make my pick soon.

[Westlake]

I'll take George Sisler.

[BigRon]

Well, you get 8 HRs for a reason. Just because you can get your pick in within 30 min every time doesn't mean everyone else can/will. This (and apparently the last draft) are BY FAR the fastest drafts that we've ever done at BBF. The rules are in place for a reason, not to bully everyone else into making their picks 7 HRs in advance.

Don't mean to be a jerk, but if you had been in past drafts you wouldn't be complaining. I'll make my pick soon.

Sorry- didn't intend to bully anyone. My only prior experience with these drafts was the Alphabet draft. For whatever reason, it moved quickly. To be fair, this one probably is moving nearly as fast, but part of the reason for that is that Ronnie5 has disappeared and his turns get automatically skipped.

We did use PMs to good effect in the Alphabet draft, and it did speed things up some.

In any case, you're right- 8 hours is the time agreed to. I think things just appear to get slow when 2 or 3 consecutive people either use their full time or don't pick at all during their pick. Then a day goes by with only about 2 picks- makes it feel slow.

[Westlake]

I sent Ronnie a few texts but he hasn't responded. Don't know what's up with him.

[BigRon]

I need a good leadoff batter. I also need a topflight defensive centerfielder. There's one guy left who fills the bill really well. Two time batting champ, 4 time OBA leader, 5 time times on base leader, and one of the best flychasers/flycatchers who ever played.

I'll take...

Whitey- Richie Ashburn.

[Wade8813]

Well, you get 8 HRs for a reason. Just because you can get your pick in within 30 min every time doesn't mean everyone else can/will. This (and apparently the last draft) are BY FAR the fastest drafts that we've ever done at BBF. The rules are in place for a reason, not to bully everyone else into making their picks 7 HRs in advance.

Don't mean to be a jerk, but if you had been in past drafts you wouldn't be complaining. I'll make my pick soon. This draft is moving quite slowly - we just have less participants (and one of them is being auto-skipped). Obviously, we can't expect people to always make picks immediately. However, it's not unreasonable to expect someone to at least attempt to PM their pick. It's understandable if you can't always have a backup in mind - your plans can change drastically if your guy gets taken (and depending on who else is taken). But you'll usually have SOMEBODY that you want more than anyone else, and just let someone else know, so things can keep going.

And obviously, things happen. You didn't know you'd have airplane troubles, etc. We understand that.

[Westlake]

This draft is moving quite slowly - we just have less participants (and one of them is being auto-skipped). Obviously, we can't expect people to always make picks immediately. However, it's not unreasonable to expect someone to at least attempt to PM their pick. It's understandable if you can't always have a backup in mind - your plans can change drastically if your guy gets taken (and depending on who else is taken). But you'll usually have SOMEBODY that you want more than anyone else, and just let someone else know, so things can keep going.

And obviously, things happen. You didn't know you'd have airplane troubles, etc. We understand that.

No, it's not moving slowly. Other drafts we've been in have gone slower. I'm not going to PM anyone my picks because I don't like doing that and no one else should be feel forced to do it. You get 8 HRs, then you're skipped. If I don't make my pick on time that's my problem, not yours.

[Wade8813]

No, it's not moving slowly. Other drafts we've been in have gone slower. I'm not going to PM anyone my picks because I don't like doing that and no one else should be feel forced to do it. You get 8 HRs, then you're skipped. If I don't make my pick on time that's my problem, not yours. I don't understand why you aren't willing to PM who you want to someone who will have NO chance of getting those players (since you pick before they do).

Yes, you are well within your rights to take 8 hours. But if everyone did that, this would take over 3 months.

[BigRon]

Just a reminder- Professor is up, assuming Ronnie5 is still lost in the ozone.

[Professor]

I'll go ahead and nab southpaw Hal Newhouser.

[Westlake]

Great pick. Damn.

[The Splendid Splinter]

No, it's not moving slowly. Other drafts we've been in have gone slower. I'm not going to PM anyone my picks because I don't like doing that and no one else should be feel forced to do it. You get 8 HRs, then you're skipped. If I don't make my pick on time that's my problem, not yours.

Westlake is right... It's not moving slowly. The ABC draft went the fastest ever (i think a little over 3 weeks maybe if that) and this is probably the 2nd fastest... I've been in at least 7 all time drafts on here. The ABC draft went WAAAAYYYY faster than ever. I think the next fastest draft we had on here took 2 months...

[Wade8813]

Shoreline Steve said he wanted Abernathy - he didn't tell me who else he wanted, though.

[BigRon]

Great pick. Damn.

I think almost everybody had him on their radar. I know he was going to be my next pitcher pick, if available.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'm sorry but who's up? RMB?

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'm sorry but who's up? RMB?

You should be Tyrus... aren't you after Professor?

[Professor]

Great pick. Damn.

Thanks -- it felt like about the right time for Hal. Maybe he even lasted longer than he should have. Nice pick of Sisler -- he might have been next for me. What a batsman he was, by his stat lines anyway.

[BigRon]

I think Tyrus' time is up. Wade should be up, at least by my clock.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I'll take Minnie Minoso

[RuthMayBond]

Sorry. Wade said he wanted Firpo Marberry. Now I gotta think of my pick

[RuthMayBond]

Luscious Luke Appling

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'll finish off my rotation...

Harry Brecheen...

http://www.comicscardsandmore.com/cards/BB/54topps/203.JPG

and

Andy Messersmith...

http://emc.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/images/messersmith.jpg

[RuthMayBond]

Stan Coveleski

[RuthMayBond]

Wade wanted Luis Tiant

[BigRon]

Tyrus is up- I think he's got less than an hour left, but am not certain.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

More support in my rotation means I'd like Jim Bunning

[BigRon]

Professor's up.

[Professor]

I'm actually going to take another backstop -- Gabby Hartnett.

[BigRon]

I'm actually going to take another backstop -- Gabby Hartnett.

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

That was my next pick!!! Why why why why why would you pick another catcher now????

Particularly when I'm up next, and haven't picked a catcher yet. I smell a rat here!!!!

Curse you Professor! May all your students boycott your lectures! May you never get tenure! Or better yet, have it rescinded!!

[BigRon]

Well, since I need a catcher, and since the Professor stole- I mean picked- Gabby Hartnett, I'll take the guy who I think is the next best all around catcher available...

Bill Freehan.

[Professor]

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

That was my next pick!!! Why why why why why would you pick another catcher now????

Particularly when I'm up next, and haven't picked a catcher yet. I smell a rat here!!!!

Curse you Professor! May all your students boycott your lectures! May you never get tenure! Or better yet, have it rescinded!!

In case Yogi goes down with an injury! :o No, seriously, I had no idea that you still needed a catcher at that point. No hidden agenda! I had a very busy day yesterday and had no time to put extra thought into my next pick. Gabby seemed like a good take, off the top of my head. Make me a decent offer and I'll trade him to you.

I'm actually not a professor, so your curses are moot, my friend! I wore glasses as a kid, so my Little League coach (affectionately) gave me that nickname. I wasn't nuts about it back then because as a kid, you never want to stick out from the group. But then I grew up and realized, with a nostalgic wistfulness, that I missed being called that. Those are great days in your life that only go around once.

[Westlake]

I'll take Mike Marshall.

Is it fair to skip Shoreline? He did miss one of his picks.

[BigRon]

Unless my calculation is wrong, Westlake's clock has run out and Shoreline Steve is up.

Also, it appears that S S missed one of his picks the last time. We're approaching the end of Round 14, so S S should have 13 players right now. However, he only has 12. So, it looks like he should have 3 picks coming up- his missing Round 13 pick, his Round 14 pick, and his Round 15 pick. Wow!

[BigRon]

Oops- sorry about that, Westlake- you were picking while I was writing that your time was up.

I wouldn't skip S S now. He DID PM a pick to Wade or somebody, but probably forgot to give him 2 picks. As I said, he's due 3 picks. If it were up to me I'd give him his clock time this time.

[BigRon]

Marshall was a good pick. I had my eye on him- was hoping others would think his career began in the 70s.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

It's unfortunate that some decide to stop without notice. I know we all have lives outside BBF (insert joke here) but a little heads up would be nice. I've been in a few drafts where folks just leave. Perfectly understandable in a serious situation, but leaving because you no longer wish to participate deserves a PM saying so. Hopefully it's a misunderstanding in this draft and I'll be more than happy to eat humble pie.

[Wade8813]

I just talked with S. Steve, and he said to go ahead and skip him.

[Westlake]

I'll take Dick Radatz.

[BigRon]

Uh oh- hope S S isn't pulling out.

Well, I've got lots of needs- on the bench and in the bullpen.

I'd like another high quality lefthander, a guy who can start and go long relief and even go short relief if needed. They're tough to find, but I'm pleased to take a guy who fills the bill nicely...

Billy Pierce,

one of the best pitchers of the 1950s.

[Wade8813]

I don't think he's dropping out. He's just been busy since he just drove back from college.