BBF Progressive HoF Election: 1991

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Format and Rules
Voting Rules: Voters may vote for between 0-15 candidates. Votes will be made public, and voters are encouraged to post their ballots in the thread and not view results before voting. PLEASE LIMIT YOUR BALLOT TO 15 VOTES AT MOST. EXCESS VOTES MAY RESULT IN YOUR BALLOT BEING DISQUALIFIED.
-Blank Ballots: A "None of the Above" option is available if you believe no one is worthy and you wish to submit a blank ballot. This option is not to be taken lightly and it is strongly urged that it be used only after the utmost consideration, as non-votes carry great weight. Additionally, if using this option, please post your rationale. Failure to do so will see your vote disqualified.

Voting Criteria: Players are to be evaluated within the context of the era in which they played and the history of the game to that point. Players are not to be held to standards that would materialize at a time beyond the year of the current election. Modern statistical analysis is permitted but must be applied strictly within historical context not to go beyond the year of the current election. Players are to be judged based solely on their playing careers. Other, non-playing contributions may be considered to the extent that they coincided with a player's playing career (such as a player/manager).

Thoughtfulness and Editing Ballots: Please review and thoughtfully consider the candidates before voting, and make sure you have accurately filled out your ballot before submitting. Requests for editing ballots after the fact will generally not be honored. Exceptions might be made if a voter accidentally voted for the wrong player or accidentally went over the voting limit (but I strongly encourage you to do your best to prevent either from happening).

Required Support: Players receiving at least 75% support in an election will be elected. Players need at least 5% support to appear on the next ballot.

Player Eligibility: Players eligible for an election will have last played at least 5 years prior to the election year and have appeared in at least 10 Major League seasons. If a player appeared in less than 10 seasons, he may still be eligible if he had a minimum of 3000 PAs or 1500 IP, though extra scrutiny will be applied. Players will remain on the ballot for 15 years, provided they continue to receive at least 5% of the vote, at which point they will become indefinitely eligible for periodic elections conducted by the Veterans Committee.
- Death Exception: For players who meet the criteria for consideration, but die before their first year of eligibility can have the five year waiting period waived and placed on the ballot the year of death or the year after death if it occurs after December 1.

Election Period: Elections will close exactly one week after starting. The next election might not commence for another day or two.

Conduct Policy: Every vote is a voter's opinion on who should be elected to the Hall of Fame. It is our responsibility as voters to be respectful towards each other. Personal attacks should not be tolerated and you should notify a moderator rather than allowing an argument to escalate and further derail discussion of the candidates.

1991 Guide
There are 52 candidates on the 1991 ballot - 27 holdovers and 25 first timers. First time eligible players last played in 1986 (unless qualifying under the age or death rule) or were omitted on the ballot in previous years.

Newly Eligible (25)
Dusty Baker
Vida Blue
Bruce Bochte
Enos Campbell
Cesar Cedeno
Al Cowens
John Denny
Ken Forsch
Terry Forster
George Foster
Bobby Grich
Toby Harrah
Cliff Johnson
Jim Kern
Dave Kingman
Dennis Leonard
Garry Maddox
Buck Martinez
John Montefusco
Ben Oglivie
Tony Perez
Bill Russell
Tom Seaver
Gorman Thomas
Jason Thompson

Holdovers (27)

Player Year of Eligibility Previous Support High Support Low Support
Sal Bando 6th 46.15% 60.00% (1987) 46.15% (1990)
Bobby Bonds 6th 57.69% 57.69% (1990) 46.15% (1986)
Bert Campaneris 4th 7.69% 8.33% (1988) 7.41% (1989)
Clay Carroll 9th 7.41% 8.33% (1988) 7.41% (1989)
Norm Cash 13th 23.08% 36.00% (1987) 20.83% (1988)
Willie Davis 8th 7.69% 20.00% (1987) 7.14% (1984)
Rollie Fingers 2nd 50.00% 50.00% (1990) 50.00% (1990)
Jim Fregosi 9th 7.69% 16.00% (1983) 7.14% (1984)
John Hiller 7th 7.69% 8.33% (1988) 7.41% (1989)
Frank Howard 14th 26.92% 51.72% (1979) 25.93% (1989)
Catfish Hunter 8th 23.08% 25.93% (1989) 15.38% (1986)
Jim Kaat 4th 34.62% 34.62% (1990) 29.17% (1988)
Sparky Lyle 5th 15.38% 20.00% (1987) 12.50% (1988)
Mike Marshall 6th 7.69% 11.54% (1986) 7.41% (1989)
Bill Mazeroski 15th 30.77% 46.15% (1986) 20.83% (1988)
Thurman Munson 13th 38.46% 50.00% (1984) 16.67% (1980)
Tony Oliva 11th 38.46% 46.15% (1986) 29.17% (1988)
Al Oliver 2nd 7.69% 7.69% (1990) 7.69% (1990)
Vada Pinson 12th 26.92% 32.00% (1985) 12.50% (1988)
Boog Powell 10th 7.69% 16.00% (1983) 7.41% (1982)
Ken Singleton 3rd 11.54% 11.54% (1990) 11.11% (1989)
Reggie Smith 5th 34.62% 52.00% (1987) 34.62% (1990)
Rusty Staub 2nd 15.38% 15.38% (1990) 15.38% (1990)
Gene Tenace 4th 19.23% 19.23% (1990) 16.67% (1988)
Luis Tiant 5th 57.69% 57.69% (1990) 51.85% (1989)
Maury Wills 15th 11.54% 31.03% (1978) 8.33% (1988)
Jimmy Wynn 10th 46.15% 48.00% (1985) 29.17% (1988)

Holdovers Dropped From Last Election (1)

Player Reason Years on Ballot High Support Low Support
Curt Flood End of Eligibility 15 18.52% (1977) 7.41% (1982)

Last Year of Eligibility (2)

Player High Support
Bill Mazeroski 46.15% (1986)
Maury Wills 31.03% (1978)

Penultimate Year of Eligibility (1)

Player High Support
Frank Howard 51.72% (1979)

Holdovers Receiving At Least 50% in Previous Election (3)

Player Previous Support Years with At Least 50% Support
Bobby Bonds 57.69% 4
Rollie Fingers 50.00% 1
Luis Tiant 57.69% 4

Hall of Famers - 262
A total of 262 players and contributors (2 elected as both) have been elected to the BBF Progressive Hall of Fame.

Hall of Fame Players Wing
Players Elected - 225

Player Year Elected Election Percentage Years on Ballot Position Primary Team Active Years Total Seasons Living/Deceased Age at Election
Hank Aaron` 1981 100% 1 Right Field Milwaukee Braves (NL) 1952 (NeL), 1954-1976 24 Living - Age 57 47
Pete Alexander 1935 93.94% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1911-1930 20 Deceased (1887-1950) 48
Dick Allen 1982 81.48% 1 First Base Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1963-1977 15 Living - Age 60 41
Cap Anson 1902 100% 1 First Base Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1871-1897 27 Deceased (1852-1922) 50
Luis Aparicio 1985 84.00% 8 Shortstop Chicago White Sox (AL) 1957-1973 18 Living - Age 57 51
Luke Appling 1955 100% 1 Shortstop Chicago White Sox (AL) 1930-1943, 1945-1950 20 Deceased (1907-1991) 48
Richie Ashburn 1967 95.65% 1 Center Field Philadelphia Phillies 1948-1962 15 Living – Age 64 40
Earl Averill 1947 82.14% 2 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1929-1941 13 Deceased (1902-1983) 45
Frank Baker 1927 96.43% 1 Third Base Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1908-1914, 1916-1919, 1921-1922 13 Deceased (1886-1963) 41
Ernie Banks` 1976 100% 1 First Base/Shortstop Chicago Cubs (NL) 1950(NeL), 1953-1971 20 Living - Age 60 45
Ross Barnes^ 1911 76.00% 11 Second Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879, 1881 9 Deceased (1850-1915) 61
Jake Beckley 1917 76.00% 6 First Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1887-1907 20 Deceased (1867-1918) 50
John Beckwith*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Third Base Chicago Giants (NNL) 1916-1938 19 Deceased (1900-1956) 47
James Bell*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC Center Field Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) 1922-1946 25 Deceased (1903-1991) 49
Johnny Bench 1988 95.83% 1 Catcher Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1967-1983 17 Living - Age 44 41
Charlie Bennett 1907 75.00% 7 Catcher Detroit Wolverines (NL) 1878, 1880-1893 15 Deceased (1854-1927) 53
Yogi Berra 1970 100% 1 Catcher New York Yankees (AL) 1945-1963, 1965 19 Living - Age 66 45
Lou Boudreau 1957 90.00% 1 Shortstop Cleveland Indians (AL) 1938-1952 15 Living - Age 73 40
Ken Boyer 1974 76.00% 1 Third Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1955-1969 15 Deceased (1931-1982) 43
Roger Bresnahan 1925 79.17% 6 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1897, 1900-1915 17 Deceased (1879-1944) 46
Tommy Bridges 1970 (VC) 86.67% VC Pitcher Detroit Tigers (AL) 1930-1943, 1945-1946 16 Deceased (1906-1968) Deceased
Lou Brock 1984 78.57% 1 Left Field St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1961-1979 19 Living - Age 52 45
Dan Brouthers 1901 90.00% 1 First Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1896, 1904 18 Deceased (1858-1932) 50
Mordecai Brown 1921 96.77% 1 Pitcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1903-1916 14 Deceased (1876-1948) 45
Ray Brown*` 1957 (VC) 81.81% VC Pitcher Homestead Grays (I/NNL) 1930-1948 19 Deceased (1908-1965) 49
Pete Browning 1909 77.27% 9 Left Field/Center Field Louisville Colonels (NL/AA) 1882-1894 13 Deceased (1861-1905) Deceased
Jim Bunning 1976 88.89% 1 Pitcher Detroit Tigers (AL) 1955-1971 17 Living - Age 60 45
Jesse Burkett 1910 92.00% 1 Left Field Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1890-1895 16 Deceased (1868-1953) 42
Rod Carew 1990 100% 1 First Base Minnesota Twins (AL) 1967-1985 19 Living - Age 46 45
Roy Campanella` 1962 95.24% 1 Catcher Brooklyn Dodgers (NL) 1937-1945 (NeL), 1948-1957 18 Living - Age 70 41
Max Carey 1934 82.14% 1 Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1910-1929 20 Deceased (1890-1976) 44
Bob Caruthers 1909 77.27% 9 Pitcher/Right Field St. Louis Browns (Cardinals) (NL/AA) 1884-1893 10 Deceased (1864-1911) 45
Orlando Cepeda 1988 75.00% 10 First Base San Francisco Giants (NL) 1958-1974 17 Living - Age 54 51
Frank Chance 1932 83.33% 14 First Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1898-1914 17 Deceased (1876-1924) Deceased
Oscar Charleston*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Indianapolis ABCs (I/NNL) 1915-1941 27 Deceased (1896-1954) 51
Cupid Childs 1920 76.92% 15 Second Base Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1888, 1890-1901 13 Deceased (1867-1912) Deceased
Fred Clarke 1917 88.00% 1 Left Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1894-1915 21 Deceased (1872-1960) 45
John Clarkson 1901 90.00% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1882, 1884-1894 12 Deceased (1861-1909) 40
Roberto Clemente 1973 96.67% 1 Right Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1955-1972 18 Deceased (1934-1972) Deceased
Ty Cobb 1933 96.55% 1 Center Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1905-1928 24 Deceased (1886-1961) 47
Mickey Cochrane 1942 89.19% 1 Catcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1937 13 Deceased (1903-1962) 38
Eddie Collins 1935 96.67% 1 Second Base Chicago White Sox (AL) 1906-1930 25 Deceased (1887-1951) 48
Jimmy Collins 1913 82.61% 1 Third Base Boston Americans (Red Sox) (AL) 1895-1908 14 Deceased (1870-1943) 43
Roger Connor 1902 79.17% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1857-1931) 45
Andy Cooper*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1920-1941 22 Deceased (1898-1941) Deceased
Wilbur Cooper* 1950 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1912-1926 15 Deceased (1892-1973) 58
Stan Coveleski 1934 89.29% 2 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1912, 1916-1928 14 Deceased (1889-1984) 45
Sam Crawford 1922 92.86% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1899-1917 19 Deceased (1880-1968) 41
Joe Cronin 1950 88.24% 1 Shortstop Boston Red Sox (AL) 1926-1945 20 Deceased (1906-1984) 44
Bill Dahlen 1916 88.00% 1 Shortstop Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891-1911 21 Deceased (1870-1950) 46
Ray Dandridge*` 1962 (VC) 83.33% VC Third Base Newark Eagles (NNL) 1933-1949 17 Living - Age 78 49
George Davis 1914 84.62% 1 Shortstop New York Giants (NL) 1890-1909 20 Deceased (1870-1940) 44
Leon Day*` 1957 (VC) 81.81% VC Pitcher/Second Base Newark Eagles (NNL) 1934-1943, 1946-1950 15 Living - Age 75 41
Ed Delahanty 1908 96.00% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1903 16 Deceased (1867-1903) Deceased
Dizzy Dean 1948 80.77% 3 Pitcher St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1930, 1932-1941, 1947 12 Deceased (1910-1974) 38
Bill Dickey 1951 94.29% 1 Catcher New York Yankees (AL) 1928-1943, 1946 17 Living - Age 84 44
Martin Dihigo*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC Second Base/Pitcher Cuban Stars (East) (ANL/I) 1923-1945 23 Deceased (1906-1971) 46
Joe DiMaggio 1956 96.30% 1 Center Field New York Yankees (AL) 1936-1942, 1946-1951 13 Living - Age 77 42
Larry Doby` 1964 92.59% 1 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1942-1943,1946 (NeL), 1947-1959 16 Living - Age 67 41
Bobby Doerr 1956 88.89% 1 Second Base Boston Red Sox (AL) 1937-1944, 1946-1951 14 Living - Age 73 38
Larry Doyle 1926 76.00% 2 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1907-1920 14 Deceased (1886-1974) 40
Don Drysdale 1974 88.00% 1 Pitcher Los Angeles Dodgers (NL) 1956-1969 14 Living - Age 55 38
Hugh Duffy 1918 75.00% 8 Center Field/Outfield Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1888-1891, 1904-1906 17 Deceased (1866-1954) 52
Bob Elliott 1966 78.26% 9 Third Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1939-1953 15 Deceased (1916-1966) Deceased
Buck Ewing 1902 83.33% 1 Catcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1897 18 Deceased (1859-1906) 44
Red Faber 1940 76.46% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1914-1933 20 Deceased (1888-1976) 52
Bob Feller 1961 100% 1 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1936-1941, 1945-1956 18 Living - Age 73 43
Wes Ferrell 1955 78.57% 10 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1927-1941 15 Deceased (1908-1976) 47
Elmer Flick 1916 80.00% 1 Right Field Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1898-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1971) 40
Whitey Ford 1972 100% 1 Pitcher New York Yankees (AL) 1950, 1953-1967 16 Living - Age 63 44
Willie Foster*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher Chicago American Giants (ANL/NNL) 1923-1938 16 Deceased (1904-1978) 43
Nellie Fox 1970 80.77% 1 Second Base Chicago White Sox (AL) 1947-1965 19 Deceased (1927-1975) 43
Jimmie Foxx 1950 100% 1 First Base Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1942, 1945 20 Deceased (1907-1967) 43
Bill Freehan 1986 76.92% 6 Catcher Detroit Tigers (AL) 1961, 1963-1976 15 Living - Age 50 45
Frankie Frisch 1942 91.89% 1 Second Base New York Giants (NL) 1919-1937 19 Deceased (1898-1973) 43
Pud Galvin 1903 80.77% 3 Pitcher Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1875, 1879-1892 15 Deceased (1856-1902) Deceased
Lou Gehrig 1944 100% 1 First Base New York Yankees (AL) 1923-1939 17 Deceased (1903-1941) Deceased
Charlie Gehringer 1947 100% 1 Second Base Detroit Tigers (AL) 1924-1942 19 Living - Age 88 44
Bob Gibson 1980 90.00% 1 Pitcher St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1959-1975 17 Living - Age 56 45
Josh Gibson*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Catcher Homestead Grays (ANL/NNL) 1929-1946 18 Deceased (1911-1947) Deceased
Jack Glasscock 1911 84.00% 11 Shortstop Cleveland Blues (NL) 1879-1895 17 Deceased (1857-1947) 54
Lefty Gomez 1962 80.95% 15 Pitcher New York Yankees (AL) 1930-1943 14 Deceased (1908-1989) 54
George Gore 1909 77.27% 9 Center Field Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1867-1933) 52
Joe Gordon 1955 75.00% 1 Second Base New York Yankees (AL) 1938-1943, 1946-1950 11 Deceased (1915-1978) 40
Goose Goslin 1943 93.33% 1 Left Field Washington Senators (NL) 1921-1938 18 Deceased (1900-1971) 42
Frank Grant*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Second Base Cuban Giants (I/MSL) 1886-1905 20 Deceased (1865-1937) Deceased
Hank Greenberg 1952 93.55% 1 First Base Detroit Tigers (AL) 1930, 1933-1941, 1945-1947 13 Deceased (1911-1986) 41
Clark Griffith* 1940 (VC) 78.57% VC Pitcher Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1891, 1893-1909, 1912-1914 20 Deceased (1869-1955) 70
Burleigh Grimes* 1960 (VC) 76.92% VC Pitcher Brooklyn Robins (NL) 1916-1934 19 Deceased (1893-1985) 67
Heinie Groh 1936 81.25% 5 Third Base Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1912-1927 16 Deceased (1889-1968) 47
Lefty Grove 1946 100% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1925-1941 17 Deceased (1900-1975) 46
Stan Hack 1952 77.42% 1 Third Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1932-1947 16 Deceased (1909-1979) 43
Billy Hamilton 1906 82.61% 1 Center Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1888-1901 14 Deceased (1866-1940) 40
Gabby Hartnett 1946 96.30% 1 Catcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1922-1941 20 Deceased (1900-1972) 46
Harry Heilmann 1937 96.18% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1914, 1916-1930, 1932 17 Deceased (1894-1951) 44
Billy Herman 1952 77.42% 1 Second Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1931-1943, 1946-1947 15 Living - Age 82 43
Pete Hill*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (I) 1899-1925 27 Deceased (1880-1951) 67
Paul Hines 1904 76.00% 4 Center Field Providence Grays (NL) 1872-1891 20 Deceased (1855-1935) 49
Rogers Hornsby 1942 97.30% 1 Second Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1915-1937 23 Deceased (1896-1963) 45
Carl Hubbell 1948 96.15% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1928-1943 16 Deceased (1903-1988) 45
Monte Irvin*` 1962 (VC) 100% VC Left Field Newark Eagles (NNL) 1937-1942,1945-1948(NeL),1949-195618 Living - Age 69 43
Fergie Jenkins 1988 95.83% 1 Pitcher Chicago Cubs (NL) 1965-1983 19 Living - Age 49 46
Hughie Jennings 1927 75.00% 14 Shortstop Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1903, 1907, 1909, 1912, 1918 17 Deceased (1869-1928) 58
Grant Johnson*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1895-1916 22 Deceased (1874-1963) 73
Walter Johnson 1932 100% 1 Pitcher Washington Senators (AL) 1907-1927 21 Deceased (1887-1946) 45
Addie Joss 1926 76.00% 15 Pitcher Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1902-1910 9 Deceased (1880-1911) Deceased
Al Kaline 1979 100% 1 Right Field Detroit Tigers (AL) 1953-1974 22 Living - Age 57 45
Tim Keefe 1901 75.00% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1857-1933) 44
Willie Keeler 1916 92.00% 2 Right Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1892-1910 19 Deceased (1872-1923) 44
Joe Kelley 1920 84.62% 8 Left Field Baltimore Orioles (NL) 1891-1906, 1908 17 Deceased (1871-1943) 49
King Kelly 1902 75.00% 2 Right Field/Catcher Chicago White Stockings (Cubs) (NL) 1878-1893 16 Deceased (1857-1894) Deceased
Harmon Killebrew 1980 93.33% 1 First Base/Third Base Minnesota Twins (AL) 1954-1975 22 Living - Age 55 44
Ralph Kiner 1960 96.30% 1 Left Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1946-1955 10 Living - Age 68 38
Sandy Koufax 1971 100% 1 Pitcher Los Angeles Dodgers (NL) 1955-1966 12 Living - Age 56 36
Napoleon Lajoie 1921 96.77% 1 Second Base Cleveland Naps (Indians) (AL) 1896-1916 21 Deceased (1874-1959) 47
Tony Lazzeri 1980 (VC) 75.00% VC Second Base New York Yankees (AL) 1926-1939 14 Deceased (1903-1946) Deceased
Tommy Leach* 1940 (VC) 85.71% VC Third Base/Center Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1898-1915, 1918 19 Deceased (1887-1969) 63
Bob Lemon 1964 81.48% 2 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1946-1958 13 Living - Age 70 45
Buck Leonard*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC First Base Homestead Grays (I/NNL) 1933-1950 18 Living - Age 83 45
John Henry Lloyd*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Lincoln Giants (I/ECL) 1906-1932 27 Deceased (1884-1964) 64
Ernie Lombardi 1980 (VC) 75.00% VC Catcher Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1931-1947 17 Deceased (1908-1977) Deceased
Herman Long* 1925 (VC) 75.00% VC Shortstop Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1889-1904 16 Deceased (1866-1909) Deceased
Dick Lundy*` 1952 (VC) 81.82% VC Shortstop Bacharach Giants (I/ECL) 1916-1939 24 Deceased (1898-1965) 54
Ted Lyons 1949 80.00% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1928-1942, 1946 16 Deceased (1900-1986) 49
Biz Mackey*` 1952 (VC) 100% VC Catcher Hilldale Daises (ECL/ANL/I) 1920-1941, 1945-1947, 1950 26 Deceased (1897-1965) 56
Sherry Magee 1924 86.21% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1904-1919 16 Deceased (1884-1929) 40
Mickey Mantle 1973 100% 1 Center Field New York Yankees (AL) 1951-1968 18 Living - Age 60 42
Rabbit Maranville* 1955 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Boston Braves (NL) 1912-1933, 1935 23 Deceased (1891-1954) Deceased
Juan Marichal 1980 100% 1 Pitcher San Francisco Giants (NL) 1960-1975 16 Living - Age 54 43
Eddie Mathews 1973 93.33% 1 Third Base Milwaukee Braves (NL) 1952-1968 17 Living - Age 60 42
Christy Mathewson 1922 93.55% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1900-1916 17 Deceased (1880-1925) 41
Carl Mays 1970 (VC) 80.00% VC Pitcher Boston Red Sox (AL) 1915-1929 15 Deceased (1891-1971) 79
Willie Mays` 1978 100% 1 Center Field San Francisco Giants (NL) 1948-50(NeL), 1951-52, 1954-73 25 Living - Age 60 47
Willie McCovey 1985 96.00% 1 First Base San Francisco Giants (NL) 1959-1980 22 Living - Age 53 47
Joe McGinnity 1913 91.30% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1899-1908 10 Deceased (1871-1929) 42
Bid McPhee 1905 75.00% 2 Second Base Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1882-1899 18 Deceased (1859-1943) 42
Cal McVey*^ 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Catcher/First Base Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1879 9 Deceased (1849-1926) 71
Joe Medwick 1953 85.29% 1 Left Field St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1932-1948 17 Deceased (1911-1975) 42
Jose Mendez*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL) 1908-1926 19 Deceased (1887-1928) Deceased
Minnie Minoso` 1969 75.00% 1 Left Field Chicago White Sox (AL) 1945-48(NeL),1949,51-63,76,80 19 Living - Age 66 44
Johnny Mize 1958 96.67% 1 First Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1936-1942, 1946-1953 15 Living - Age 78 45
Bill Monroe*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Second Base Brooklyn Royal Giants (I) 1896-1914 19 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Joe Morgan 1989 100% 1 Second Base Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1963-1984 22 Living - Age 48 46
Tony Mullane 1908 80.00% 8 Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL/AA) 1881-1894 14 Deceased (1859-1944) 49
Stan Musial 1968 100% 1 Outfield/First Base St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1941-1944, 1946-1963 22 Living - Age 71 48
Kid Nichols 1911 100% 1 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1890-1901, 1904-1906 15 Deceased (1869-1953) 42
Hal Newhouser 1960 85.19% 1 Pitcher Detroit Tigers (AL) 1939-1955 17 Living - Age 69 39
Jim O'Rourke 1901 90.00% 1 Left Field/Utility New York Giants (NL) 1872-1893, 1904 23 Deceased (1850-1919) 51
Alejandro Oms*` 1947 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Cuban Stars (East) (ECL/ANL) 1917-1935 19 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Mel Ott 1952 100% 1 Right Field New York Giants (NL) 1926-1947 22 Deceased (1909-1958) 43
Satchel Paige*` 1957 (VC) 90.91% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (I/NNL/NAL) 1926-1953, 1965 28 Deceased (1906-1982) 51
Jim Palmer 1989 96.30% 1 Pitcher Baltimore Orioles (AL) 1965-1967, 1969-1984 19 Living - Age 46 44
Dickey Pearce*^ 1920 (VC) 100% VC Shortstop Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) 1871-1877 6 Deceased (1836-1908) Deceased
Gaylord Perry 1988 83.33% 1 Pitcher San Francisco Giants (NL) 1962-1983 22 Living - Age 53 50
Billy Pierce 1971 76.92% 3 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1945, 1948-1964 17 Living - Age 64 44
Lip Pike*^ 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Center Field Baltimore Canaries (NA) 1871-1878, 1881, 1887 10 Deceased (1845-1926) Deceased
Eddie Plank 1922 92.86% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1901-1917 17 Deceased (1875-1926) 47
Spotswood Poles*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Lincoln Stars (I) 1909-1923 15 Deceased (1887-1962) 60
Charley Radbourn 1901 95.00% 1 Pitcher Providence Grays (NL) 1881-1891 11 Deceased (1854-1897) Deceased
Pee Wee Reese 1963 90.91% 1 Shortstop Brooklyn Dodgers (NL) 1940-1942, 1946-1958 16 Living - Age 73 45
Dick Redding*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Brooklyn Royal Giants (I/ECL) 1911-1938 18 Deceased (1891-1948) 56
Sam Rice* 1955 (VC) 76.92% VC Right Field Washington Senators (AL) 1915-1934 20 Deceased (1890-1974) 65
Hardy Richardson* 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC Second Base/Left Field Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1879-1892 14 Deceased (1855-1931) 65
Eppa Rixey* 1955 (VC) 92.30% VC Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1912-1917, 1919-1933 21 Deceased (1891-1963) 64
Phil Rizzuto 1980 (VC) 91.67% VC Shortstop New York Yankees (AL) 1941-1942, 1946-1956 13 Living - Age 74 63
Robin Roberts 1971 100% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1948-1966 19 Living - Age 65 45
Brooks Robinson 1982 100% 1 Third Base Baltimore Orioles (AL) 1955-1977 23 Living - Age 54 45
Frank Robinson 1981 100% 1 Right Field Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1956-1976 21 Living - Age 56 46
Jackie Robinson` 1961 96.15% 1 Second Base Brooklyn Dodgers (NL) 1945(NeL), 1947-1956 11 Deceased (1919-1972) 42
Bullet Rogan*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (NNL/NAL) 1917-1938 22 Deceased (1893-1967) 54
Edd Roush 1943 76.67% 1 Center Field Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1913-1929, 1931 18 Deceased (1893-1988) 49
Red Ruffing 1951 82.86% 2 Pitcher New York Yankees (AL) 1924-1942, 1945-1947 22 Deceased (1905-1986) 46
Amos Rusie 1906 78.26% 1 Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1889-1895, 1897-1898, 1901 10 Deceased (1871-1942) 35
Babe Ruth 1940 97.06% 1 Right Field/Left Field New York Yankees (AL) 1914-1935 22 Deceased (1895-1948) 45
Jimmy Ryan* 1930 (VC) 86.67% VC Center Field Chicago Colts (Cubs) (NL) 1885-1900, 1902, 1903 18 Deceased (1863-1923) Deceased
Ron Santo 1979 82.76% 1 Third Base Chicago Cubs (NL) 1960-1974 15 Living - Age 51 39
Louis Santop*` 1947 (VC) 91.67% VC Catcher Hilldale Daises (I) 1909-1926 18 Deceased (1890-1942) Deceased
Wally Schang 1980 (VC) 75.00% VC Catcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1913-1931 19 Deceased (1886-1965) Deceased
Joe Sewell 1942 75.68% 5 Shortstop/Third Base Cleveland Indians (AL) 1920-1933 14 Deceased (1898-1990) 43
Jimmy Sheckard* 1945 (VC) 83.33% VC Left Field Chicago Cubs (NL) 1897-1913 17 Deceased (1878-1947) 67
Urban Shocker 1990 (VC) 83.33% VC Pitcher St. Louis Browns (AL) 1916-1928 13 Deceased (1890-1928) Deceased
Al Simmons 1949 96.00% 1 Left Field Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1924-1944 21 Deceased (1902-1956) 47
George Sisler 1935 90.91% 1 First Base St. Louis Browns (AL) 1915-1922, 1924-1930 15 Deceased (1893-1973) 42
Enos Slaughter 1964 81.48% 1 Right Field St. Louis Cardinals (NL) 1938-1942, 1946-1959 19 Living - Age 75 48
Hilton Smith*` 1962 (VC) 91.67% VC Pitcher Kansas City Monarchs (I/NAL) 1932-1948 17 Deceased (1907-1983) 50
Duke Snider 1969 96.43% 1 Center Field Brooklyn Dodgers (NL) 1947-1964 18 Living - Age 65 43
Warren Spahn 1970 100% 1 Pitcher Milwaukee Braves (NL) 1942, 1946-1965 21 Living - Age 67 49
Al Spalding^ 1915 80.00% 15 Pitcher Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1878 8 Deceased (1850-1915) Deceased
Tris Speaker 1933 100% 1 Center Field Cleveland Indians (AL) 1907-1928 22 Deceased (1888-1958) 45
Willie Stargell 1987 88.88% 1 Left Field/First Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1962-1982 21 Living - Age 51 47
Joe Start*^ 1920 (VC) 91.67% VC First Base Providence Grays (NL) 1871-1886 16 Deceased (1842-1927) 78
Turkey Stearnes*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Center Field Detroit Stars (NNL/NAL) 1923-1942 20 Deceased (1901-1979) 46
Vern Stephens 1974 76.00% 15 Shortstop St. Louis Browns (AL) 1941-1955 15 Deceased (1920-1968) Deceased
Harry Stovey 1907 75.00% 7 Left Field/First Base Philadelphia Athletics (AA) 1880-1893 14 Deceased (1856-1931) 51
Mule Suttles*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC First Base Newark Eagles (NNL) 1921, 1923-1944 23 Deceased (1900-1966) 51
Ezra Sutton* 1920 (VC) 83.33% VC Third Base Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1871-1888 18 Deceased (1850-1907) Deceased
Bill Terry 1941 80.00% 1 First Base New York Giants (NL) 1923-1936 14 Deceased (1908-1989) 43
Sam Thompson 1907 79.17% 5 Right Field Philadelphia Phillies (NL) 1885-1898, 1906 14 Deceased (1860-1922) 47
Joe Torre 1984 75.00% 3 Catcher Milwaukee Braves (NL) 1960-1977 18 Living - Age 51 44
Cristobal Torriente*` 1947 (VC) 83.33% VC Center Field Chicago American Giants (NNL) 1913-1928 16 Deceased (1893-1938) Deceased
Pie Traynor 1942 83.78% 1 Third Base Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1920-1937 18 Deceased (1894-1972) 42
Dazzy Vance 1940 76.47% 1 Pitcher Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1915, 1918, 1922-1935 16 Deceased (1891-1961) 48
George Van Haltren 1918 75.00% 11 Center Field New York Giants (NL) 1887-1903 17 Deceased (1866-1945) 52
Arky Vaughan 1953 100% 1 Shortstop Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1932-1943, 1947-1948 14 Deceased (1912-1952) Deceased
Rube Waddell 1915 84.00% 1 Pitcher Philadelphia Athletics (AL) 1897, 1899-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1914) Deceased
Honus Wagner 1922 92.86% 1 Shortstop Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1897-1917 21 Deceased (1874-1955) 48
Bobby Wallace 1925 75.00% 3 Shortstop St. Louis Browns (AL) 1894-1918 25 Deceased (1873-1960) 52
Ed Walsh 1922 89.29% 1 Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1904-1917 14 Deceased (1881-1959) 41
Bucky Walters 1970 (VC) 86.67% VC Pitcher Cincinnati Reds (NL) 1934-1948, 1950 16 Deceased (1909-1991) 61
John Ward 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop/Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1878-1894 17 Deceased (1860-1925) 47
Paul Waner 1950 94.12% 1 Right Field Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) 1926-1945 20 Deceased (1903-1965) 47
Mickey Welch* 1920 (VC) 75.00% VC Pitcher New York Giants (NL) 1880-1892 13 Deceased (1859-1941) 61
Willie Wells*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC Shortstop St. Louis Stars (NNL) 1924-1948 25 Deceased (1905-1989) 47
Zack Wheat 1932 87.50% 1 Left Field Brooklyn Robins (Dodgers) (NL) 1909-1927 10 Deceased (1888-1972) 44
Deacon White 1904 76.00% 4 Catcher/Third Base Buffalo Bisons (NL) 1871-1890 20 Deceased (1847-1939) 57
Hoyt Wilhelm 1977 92.59% 1 Relief Pitcher Chicago White Sox (AL) 1952-1972 21 Living - Age 68 54
Billy Williams 1981 92.31% 1 Left Field Chicago Cubs (NL) 1959-1976 16 Living - Age 53 43
Smokey Joe Williams*` 1947 (VC) 100% VC Pitcher Homestead Grays (I/ANL) 1905-1932 28 Deceased (1895-1946) Deceased
Ted Williams 1960 100% 1 Left Field Boston Red Sox (AL) 1939-1942, 1946-1960 19 Living - Age 68 42
Vic Willis 1919 77.78% 5 Pitcher Boston Beaneaters (Braves) (NL) 1898-1910 13 Deceased (1876-1947) 43
Jud Wilson*` 1952 (VC) 90.90% VC Third Base Baltimore Black Sox (I/ECL/ANL) 1922-1939 18 Deceased (1894-1963) 53
George Wright^ 1907 75.00% 7 Shortstop Boston Red Stockings (NA) 1871-1882 12 Deceased (1847-1937) 60
Early Wynn 1968 87.50% 1 Pitcher Cleveland Indians (AL) 1939, 1941-1944, 1946-1963 23 Living - Age 70 48
Carl Yastrzemski 1988 95.83% 1 Left Field Boston Red Sox (AL) 1961-1983 23 Living - Age 52 49
Cy Young 1916 100% 1 Pitcher Cleveland Spiders (NL) 1890-1911 22 Deceased (1867-1955) 49

* = Elected by Veterans Committee
^ = Played Significantly Prior to 1871
` = Played in the Negro Leagues

Players Elected by Primary Position
Catcher (18): Johnny Bench, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Ernie Lombardi, Biz Mackey, Cal McVey, Louis Santop, Wally Schang, Joe Torre, Deacon White
First Base (19): Dick Allen, Cap Anson, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Rod Carew, Orlando Cepeda, Frank Chance, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Harmon Killebrew, Buck Leonard, Willie McCovey, Johnny Mize, Stan Musial, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry
Second Base (19): Ross Barnes, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Larry Doyle, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Napoleon Lajoie, Tony Lazzeri, Bid McPhee, Bill Monroe, Joe Morgan, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson
Third Base (15): Frank Baker, John Beckwith, Ken Boyer, Jimmy Collins, Ray Dandridge, Bob Elliott, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Tommy Leach, Eddie Mathews, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson
Shortstop (25): Luis Aparicio, Luke Appling, Ernie Banks, Lou Boudreau, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Hughie Jennings, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Herman Long, Dick Lundy, Rabbit Maranville, Dickey Pearce, Pee Wee Reese, Phil Rizzuto, Joe Sewell, Vern Stephens, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, John Ward, Willie Wells, George Wright
Left Field (21): Lou Brock, Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Monte Irvin, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Jim O'Rourke, Jimmy Sheckard, Al Simmons, Willie Stargell, Harry Stovey, Zack Wheat, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski
Center Field (26): Richie Ashburn, Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Pete Browning, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Larry Doby, Joe DiMaggio, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Alejandro Oms, Lip Pike, Spotswood Poles, Edd Roush, Jimmy Ryan, Duke Snider, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, George Van Haltren
Right Field (15): Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Sam Crawford, King Kelly, Elmer Flick, Harry Heilmann, Al Kaline, Willie Keeler, Mel Ott, Sam Rice, Frank Robinson, Babe Ruth, Enos Slaughter, Sam Thompson, Paul Waner
Pitcher (67): Pete Alexander, Tommy Bridges, Mordecai Brown, Ray Brown, Jim Bunning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Andy Cooper, Wilbur Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Leon Day, Dizzy Dean, Martin Dihigo, Don Drysdale, Red Faber, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Whitey Ford, Willie Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson, Lefty Gomez, Clark Griffith, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Fergie Jenkins, Walter Johnson, Addie Joss, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Juan Marichal, Christy Mathewson, Carl Mays, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Satchel Paige, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Billy Pierce, Eddie Plank, Charley Radbourn, Dick Redding, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts, Bullet Rogan, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Urban Shocker, Hilton Smith, Warren Spahn, Al Spalding, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Bucky Walters, Mickey Welch, Hoyt Wilhelm, Smokey Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Early Wynn, Cy Young

Players Elected by Year

1901 (5): Dan Brouthers, John Clarkson, Tim Keefe, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn
1902 (4): Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Buck Ewing, King Kelly
1903 (1): Pud Galvin
1904 (2): Paul Hines, Deacon White
1905 (1): Bid McPhee
1906 (2): Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
1907 (5): Charlie Bennett, Harry Stovey, Sam Thompson, John Ward, George Wright
1908 (2): Ed Delahanty, Tony Mullane
1909 (3): Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, George Gore
1910 (1): Jesse Burkett
1911 (3): Ross Barnes, Jack Glasscock, Kid Nichols
1912 (0):
1913 (2): Jimmy Collins, Joe McGinnity
1914 (1): George Davis
1915 (2): Al Spalding, Rube Waddell
1916 (4): Bill Dahlen, Elmer Flick, Willie Keeler, Cy Young
1917 (2): Jake Beckley, Fred Clarke
1918 (2): Hugh Duffy, George Van Haltren
1919 (1): Vic Willis
1920 (2): Cupid Childs, Joe Kelley
- 1920 VC (7): Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Hardy Richardson, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Mickey Welch
1921 (3): Mordecai Brown, Napoleon Lajoie, Christy Mathewson
1922 (4): Sam Crawford, Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner, Ed Walsh
1923 (0):
1924 (1): Sherry Magee
1925 (2): Roger Bresnahan, Bobby Wallace
- 1925 VC (1): Herman Long
1926 (1): Larry Doyle
1927 (2): Frank Baker, Hughie Jennings
1928 (0):
1929 (1): Addie Joss
1930 (0):
- 1930 VC (1): Jimmy Ryan
1931 (0):
1932 (3): Frank Chance, Walter Johnson, Zack Wheat
1933 (2): Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
1934 (2): Max Carey, Stan Coveleski
1935 (3): Pete Alexander, Eddie Collins, George Sisler
- 1935 VC (0):
1936 (1): Heinie Groh
1937 (1): Harry Heilmann
1938 (0):
1939 (0):
1940 (3): Red Faber, Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
- 1940 VC (2): Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach
1941 (1): Bill Terry
1942 (5): Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Sewell, Pie Traynor
1943 (2): Goose Goslin, Edd Roush
1944 (1): Lou Gehrig
1945 (0):
- 1945 VC (1): Jimmy Sheckard
1946 (2): Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
1947 (2): Earl Averill, Charlie Gehringer
- 1947 Negro League Players VC (19): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Willie Foster, Josh Gibson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, John Henry Lloyd,
Jose Mendez, Bill Monroe, Alejandro Oms, Spotswood Poles, Dick Redding, Bullet Rogan, Louis Santop, Turkey Stearnes, Cristobal Torriente, Smokey Joe Williams
1948 (2): Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell
1949 (2): Ted Lyons, Al Simmons
1950 (3): Joe Cronin, Jimmie Foxx, Paul Waner
- 1950 VC (1): Wilbur Cooper
1951 (2): Bill Dickey, Red Ruffing
1952 (4): Hank Greenberg, Stan Hack, Billy Herman, Mel Ott
- 1952 Negro League Players VC (8): James "Cool Papa" Bell, Martin Dihigo, Buck Leonard, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
1953 (2): Joe Medwick, Arky Vaughan
1954 (0):
1955 (3): Luke Appling, Wes Ferrell, Joe Gordon
- 1955 VC (3): Rabbit Maranville, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey
1956 (2): Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr
1957 (1): Lou Boudreau
- 1957 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Brown, Leon Day, Satchel Paige
1958 (1): Johnny Mize
1959 (0):
1960 (2): Ralph Kiner, Hal Newhouser
- 1960 VC (1): Burleigh Grimes
1961 (2): Bob Feller, Jackie Robinson
1962 (2): Roy Campanella, Lefty Gomez
- 1962 Negro League Players VC (3): Ray Dandridge, Monte Irvin, Hilton Smith
1963 (1): Pee Wee Reese
1964 (3): Larry Doby, Bob Lemon, Enos Slaughter
1965 (1): Ted Williams
- 1965 VC (0):
1966 (1): Bob Elliott
1967 (1): Richie Ashburn
- 1967 Negro League Players VC (0):
1968 (2): Stan Musial, Early Wynn
1969 (2): Minnie Minoso, Duke Snider
1970 (3): Yogi Berra, Nellie Fox, Warren Spahn
- 1970 VC (3): Tommy Bridges, Carl Mays, Bucky Walters
1971 (3): Sandy Koufax, Billy Pierce, Robin Roberts
1972 (1): Whitey Ford
1973 (3): Roberto Clemente, Mickey Mantle, Eddie Mathews
1974 (3): Ken Boyer, Don Drysdale, Vern Stephens
1975 (0):
- 1975 VC (0):
1976 (2): Ernie Banks, Jim Bunning
1977 (1): Hoyt Wilhelm
1978 (1): Willie Mays
1979 (2): Al Kaline, Ron Santo
1980 (3): Bob Gibson, Harmon Killebrew, Juan Marichal
- 1980 VC (4): Tony Lazzeri, Ernie Lombardi, Phil Rizzuto, Wally Schang
1981 (3): Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Billy Williams
1982 (2): Dick Allen, Brooks Robinson
1983 (0):
1984 (2): Lou Brock, Joe Torre
1985 (2): Luis Aparicio, Willie McCovey
- 1985 VC (0):
1986 (1): Bill Freehan
1987 (1): Willie Stargell
1988 (5): Johnny Bench, Orlando Cepeda, Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, Carl Yastrzemski
1989 (2): Joe Morgan, Jim Palmer
1990 (1): Rod Carew
- 1990 VC (1): Urban Shocker

Players Elected by Primary Decade
1870s (9): Ross Barnes, Cal McVey, Dickey Pearce, Lip Pike, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Ezra Sutton, Deacon White, George Wright
1880s (21): Cap Anson, Charlie Bennett, Dan Brouthers, Pete Browning, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Conner, Buck Ewing, Pud Galvin, Jack Glasscock, George Gore, Paul Hines, Tim Keefe, King Kelly, Tony Mullane, Jim O’Rourke, Charley Radbourn, Hardy Richardson, Harry Stovey, John Ward, Mickey Welch
1890s (20): Jake Beckley, Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Ed Delahanty, Hugh Duffy, Frank Grant, Clark Griffith, Billy Hamilton, Hughie Jennings, Joe Kelley, Herman Long, Bid McPhee, Kid Nichols, Jimmy Ryan, Amos Rusie, Sam Thompson, George Van Haltren, Cy Young
1900s (23): Roger Bresnahan, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Fred Clarke, Jimmy Collins, Sam Crawford, Elmer Flick, Pete Hill, Grant Johnson, Addie Joss, Willie Keeler, Napoleon Lajoie, Tommy Leach, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Bill Monroe, Eddie Plank, Jimmy Sheckard, Rube Waddell, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Ed Walsh, Vic Willis
1910s (18): Pete Alexander, Frank Baker, Max Carey, Wilbur Cooper, Ty Cobb, Eddie Collins, Larry Doyle, Heinie Groh, Walter Johnson, John Henry Lloyd, Sherry Magee, Jose Mendez, Spotswood Poles, Louis Santop, Wally Schang, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat, Smokey Joe Williams
1920s (27): John Beckwith, Oscar Charleston, Andy Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Red Faber, Frankie Frisch, Goose Goslin, Burleigh Grimes, Harry Heilmann, Rogers Hornsby, Dick Lundy, Biz Mackey, Rabbit Maranville, Carl Mays, Alejandro Oms, Dick Redding, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Bullet Rogan, Edd Roush, Babe Ruth, George Sisler, Joe Sewell, Urban Shocker, Cristobal Torriente, Pie Traynor, Dazzy Vance
1930s (38): Luke Appling, Earl Averill, James "Cool Papa" Bell, Tommy Bridges, Ray Brown, Mickey Cochrane, Joe Cronin, Dizzy Dean, Bill Dickey, Martin Dihigo, Wes Ferrell, Willie Foster, Jimmie Foxx, Charlie Gehringer, Lou Gehrig, Josh Gibson, Lefty Gomez, Hank Greenberg, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, Carl Hubbell, Tony Lazzeri, Ernie Lombardi, Ted Lyons, Joe Medwick, Mel Ott, Satchel Paige, Red Ruffing, Al Simmons, Hilton Smith, Turkey Stearnes, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry, Arky Vaughan, Paul Waner, Willie Wells, Jud Wilson
1940s (18): Lou Boudreau, Leon Day, Ray Dandridge, Joe DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr, Bob Elliott, Bob Feller, Joe Gordon, Stan Hack, Monte Irvin, Buck Leonard, Johnny Mize, Hal Newhouser, Pee Wee Reese, Phil Rizzuto, Vern Stephens, Bucky Walters, Ted Williams
1950s (19): Richie Ashburn, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Larry Doby, Whitey Ford, Nellie Fox, Ralph Kiner, Bob Lemon, Mickey Mantle, Eddie Mathews, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Billy Pierce, Robin Roberts, Jackie Robinson, Enos Slaughter, Duke Snider, Warren Spahn, Early Wynn
1960s (25): Hank Aaron, Dick Allen, Luis Aparicio, Ernie Banks, Ken Boyer, Lou Brock, Jim Bunning, Orlando Cepeda, Roberto Clemente, Don Drysdale, Bill Freehan, Bob Gibson, Al Kaline, Harmon Killebrew, Sandy Koufax, Juan Marichal, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Ron Santo, Joe Torre, Hoyt Wilhelm, Billy Williams, Carl Yastrzemski
1970s (7): Johnny Bench, Rod Carew, Fergie Jenkins, Joe Morgan, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Willie Stargell

Players Elected by Primary Organization
Atlanta Braves (fka Milwaukee Braves, Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (15): Hank Aaron, Ross Barnes, John Clarkson, Hugh Duffy, Herman Long, Rabbit Maranville, Eddie Mathews, Cal McVey, Kid Nichols, Warren Spahn, Al Spalding, Ezra Sutton, Joe Torre, Vic Willis, George Wright
Bacharach Giants (I, ECL) (1): Dick Lundy
Baltimore Black Sox (I, ECL, ANL) (1): Jud Wilson
Baltimore Canaries (NA) (1): Lip Pike
Baltimore Orioles (fka St. Louis Browns) (AL) (6): Jim Palmer, Brooks Robinson, Urban Shocker, George Sisler, Vern Stephens, Bobby Wallace
Baltimore Orioles (NL) (3): Hughie Jennings, Willie Keeler, Joe Kelley
Boston Red Sox (fka Americans) (AL) (6): Bobby Doerr, Jimmy Collins, Joe Cronin, Carl Mays, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski
Brooklyn Atlantics (NA) (1): Dickey Pearce
Brooklyn Royal Giants (I, ECL, NNL) (3): Grant Johnson, Bill Monroe, Dick Redding
Buffalo Bisons (NL) (4): Dan Brouthers, Pud Galvin, Hardy Richardson, Deacon White
Chicago American Giants (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (3): Willie Foster, Pete Hill, Cristobal Torriente
Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NL) (16): Cap Anson, Ernie Banks, Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Bill Dahlen, Clark Griffith, George Gore, Stan Hack, Gabby Hartnett, Billy Herman, Fergie Jenkins, King Kelly, Jimmy Ryan, Ron Santo, Jimmy Sheckard, Billy Williams
Chicago Giants (NNL) (1): John Beckwith
Chicago White Sox (AL) (10): Luis Aparicio, Luke Appling, Eddie Collins, Red Faber, Nellie Fox, Ted Lyons, Minnie Minoso, Billy Pierce, Ed Walsh, Hoyt Wilhelm
Cincinnati Reds (NL, AA) (10): Johnny Bench, Heinie Groh, Ernie Lombardi, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan, Tony Mullane, Eppa Rixey, Frank Robinson, Edd Roush, Bucky Walters
Cleveland Blues (NL) (1): Jack Glasscock
Cleveland Indians (fka Naps) (AL) (13): Earl Averill, Lou Boudreau, Stan Coveleski, Larry Doby, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Elmer Flick, Addie Joss, Napoleon Lajoie, Bob Lemon, Joe Sewell, Tris Speaker, Early Wynn
Cleveland Spiders (NL) (3): Jesse Burkett, Cupid Childs, Cy Young
Cuban Giants (I, MSL) (1): Frank Grant
Cuban Stars (East) (I, ECL, ANL) (2): Martin Dihigo, Alejandro Oms
Detroit Stars (I, NNL, NAL) (1): Turkey Stearnes
Detroit Tigers (AL) (10): Tommy Bridges, Jim Bunning, Ty Cobb, Sam Crawford, Bill Freehan, Charlie Gehringer, Hank Greenberg, Harry Heilmann, Al Kaline, Hal Newhouser
Detroit Wolverines (NL) (1): Charlie Bennett
Hilldale Daises (I, ECL, ANL, EWL) (2): Biz Mackey, Louis Santop
Homestead Grays (I, ANL, NNL) (4): Ray Brown, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Smokey Joe Williams
Indianapolis ABCs (I, NNL, NSL, NAL) (1): Oscar Charleston
Kansas City Monarchs (I, NNL, NAL) (5): Willie Foster, Jose Mendez, Satchel Paige, Bullet Rogan, Hilton Smith
Lincoln Giants (I, ECL, ANL) (1): John Henry Lloyd
Lincoln Stars (I) (1): Spotswood Poles
Louisville Colonels (NL, AA) (1): Pete Browning
Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Robins) (NL) (9): Roy Campanella, Don Drysdale, Burleigh Grimes, Sandy Koufax, Duke Snider, Pee Wee Reese, Jackie Robinson, Dazzy Vance, Zack Wheat
Minnesota Twins (fka Washington Senators) (AL) (5): Rod Carew, Goose Goslin, Walter Johnson, Harmon Killebrew, Sam Rice
New York Yankees (AL) (11): Yogi Berra, Bill Dickey, Joe DiMaggio, Whitey Ford, Lou Gehrig, Lefty Gomez, Joe Gordon, Tony Lazzeri, Mickey Mantle, Phil Rizzuto, Red Ruffing, Babe Ruth
Newark Eagles (NNL) (4): Ray Dandridge, Leon Day, Monte Irvin, Mule Suttles
Oakland Atheltics (fka Kansas City, Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (8): Frank Baker, Mickey Cochrane, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Eddie Plank, Wally Schang, Al Simmons, Rube Waddell
Philadelphia Athletics (AA) (1): Harry Stovey
Philadelphia Phillies (NL) (8): Pete Alexander, Dick Allen, Richie Ashburn, Ed Delahanty, Billy Hamilton, Sherry Magee, Robin Roberts, Sam Thompson
Pittsburgh Crawfords (NNL) (1): James "Cool Papa" Bell
Pittsburgh Pirates (NL) (13): Jake Beckley, Max Carey, Fred Clarke, Roberto Clemente, Wilbur Cooper, Bob Elliott, Ralph Kiner, Tommy Leach, Willie Stargell, Pie Traynor, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Paul Waner
Providence Grays (NL) (3): Paul Hines, Charley Radbourn, Joe Start
San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (21): Roger Bresnahan, Orlando Cepeda, Roger Connor, George Davis, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Carl Hubbell, Tim Keefe, Juan Marichal, Christy Mathewson, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Joe McGinnity, Jim O’Rourke, Mel Ott, Gaylord Perry, Amos Rusie, George Van Haltren, John Ward, Mickey Welch
St. Louis Cardinals (fka Browns) (NL, AA) (10): Ken Boyer, Lou Brock, Bob Caruthers, Dizzy Dean, Bob Gibson, Rogers Hornsby, Joe Medwick, Johnny Mize, Stan Musial, Enos Slaughter
St. Louis Stars (NNL) (1): Willie Wells

Hall of Fame Contributors Wing
Contributors Elected - 38

Contributor Year Elected Contribution Living/Deceased Age at Election
Doc Adams 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1814-1899) Deceased
Mel Allen 1981 Broadcaster Living - Age 76 68
Red Barber 1976 Broadcaster Living - Age 81 68
Ed Barrow 1941 General Manager Deceased (1868-1953) Deceased
Ed Bolden 1966 Owner Deceased(?-1950) Deceased
Alex Cartwright 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1820-1892) Deceased
Henry Chadwick 1925 Writer Deceased (1824-1908) Deceased
Charlie Comiskey 1925 Owner Deceased (1859-1931) 66
Jocko Conlan 1981 Umpire Deceased (1899-1989) 82
Charles Conlon 1971 Photographer Deceased (1868-1945) Deceased
Tom Connolly 1956 Umpire Deceased (1870-1961) 86
Jim Creighton 1925 Pioneer Deceased (1841-1862) Deceased
Rube Foster 1930 Manager/Executive Deceased (1879-1930) Deceased
Miller Huggins 1941 Manager Deceased (1879-1929) Deceased
William Hulbert 1925 NL President Deceased (1832-1882) Deceased
Ned Hanlon 1936 Manager Deceased (1857-1937) 79
Ban Johnson 1936 AL President Deceased (1864-1931) Deceased
Bill Klem 1941 Umpire Deceased (1874-1951) 67
Kenesaw Landis 1951 Commissioner Deceased (1866-1944) Deceased
Connie Mack 1930 Manager/Owner Deceased (1862-1956) 68
Larry MacPhail 1976 General Manager Deceased (1890-1975) Deceased
Joe McCarthy 1951 Manager Deceased (1887-1978) 64
John McGraw 1936 Manager Deceased (1873-1934) Deceased
Lefty O'Doul 1981 Manager Deceased (1897-1969) Deceased
Cumberland Posey 1981 Owner Deceased (1890-1946) Deceased
Al Reach 1946 Owner Deceased (1840-1928) Deceased
Francis Richter 1941 Writer Deceased (1854-1926) Deceased
Branch Rickey 1946 General Manager Deceased (1881-1965) 65
Frank Selee 1936 Manager Deceased (1859-1909) Deceased
Billy Southworth 1971 Manager Deceased (1893-1969) Deceased
AG Spalding* 1930 Executive Deceased (1850-1915) Deceased
J.G. Taylor Spink1966 Writer Deceased (1888-1962) Deceased
Casey Stengel 1966 Manager Deceased (1890-1975) 76
Bill Veeck 1981 Owner Deceased (1914-1986) 67
John Ward* 1986 Manager Deceased (1860-1925) Deceased
George Weiss 1971 General Manager Deceased (1894-1972) 77
J.L. Wilkinson 1976 Owner Deceased (1878-1964) Deceased
Harry Wright 1925 Manager Deceased (1835-1895) Deceased

* = Also elected as a player

Contributors Elected by Primary Contribution
Broadcaster (2): Mel Allen, Red Barber
Commissioner (1): Kenesaw Landis
General Manager (4): Ed Barrow, Larry MacPhail, Branch Rickey, George Weiss
League President (2): William Hulbert, Ban Johnson
Manager (10): Miller Huggins, Ned Hanlon, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Lefty O'Doul, Frank Selee, Billy Southworth, Casey Stengel, John Ward, Harry Wright
Owner (7): Ed Bolden, Charlie Comiskey, Cumberland Posey, Al Reach, AG Spalding, Bill Veeck, J.L. Wilkinson
Photographer (1): Charles Conlon
Pioneer (3): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Jim Creighton
Umpire (3): Jocko Conlan, Tom Connolly, Bill Klem
Writer (3): Henry Chadwick, Francis Richter, J. G. Taylor Spink

Contributors Elected by Primary Team
Atlanta Braves (fka Milwaukee Braves, Boston Braves, Beaneaters, Red Caps, Red Stockings) (NA, NL) (2): Frank Selee, Harry Wright
Brooklyn Ward's Wonders (PL): John Ward
Chicago American Giants (NNL) (1): Rube Foster
Chicago Cubs (fka White Stockings, Colts) (NA, NL) (1): AG Spalding
Chicago White Sox (AL) (2): Charlie Comiskey, Bill Veeck
Excelsior of Brooklyn (NAB) (1): Jim Creighton
Homestead Grays (EWL, NNL) (1): Cumberland Posey
Kansas City Monarchs (1): J.L. Wilkinson
Los Angeles Dodgers (fka Brooklyn Dodgers, Superbas) (AA, NL) (2): Red Barber, Ned Hanlon
New York Knickerbockers (NAB) (2): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright
New York Yankees (AL) (6): Mel Allen, Miller Huggins, Larry MacPhail, Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel, George Weiss
Oakland Athletics (fka Kansas City, Philadelphia Athletics) (AL) (1): Connie Mack
Philadelphia Phillies (fka Quakers) (NL) (1): Al Reach
Philadelphia Stars (NNL, NAL) (1): Ed Bolden
San Francisco Giants (fka New York Giants) (NL) (1): John McGraw
San Francisco Seals (PCL) (1): Lefty O'Doul
St. Louis Cardinals (AA, NL) (2): Branch Rickey, Billy Southworth

Contributors Elected by Year
1925 (7): Doc Adams, Alex Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Harry Wright, William Hulbert, Charlie Comiskey, Jim Creighton
1930 (3): Rube Foster, Connie Mack, AG Spalding
1936 (4): Ned Hanlon, Ban Johnson, John McGraw, Frank Selee
1941 (4): Miller Huggins, Bill Klem, Francis Richter, Ed Barrow
1946 (3): Al Reach, Branch Rickey
1951 (2): Kenesaw Landis, Joe McCarthy
1956 (1): Tom Connolly
1961 (0):
1966 (3): Ed Bolden, J.G. Taylor Spink, Casey Stengel
1971 (3): Charles Conlon, Billy Southworth, George Weiss
1976 (3): Red Barber, Larry MacPhail, J.L. Wilkinson
1981 (5): Mel Allen, Jocko Conlan, Lefty O'Doul, Cumberland Posey, Bill Veeck
1986 (1): John Ward

Miscellaneous Information
- Highest Regular Election Percentage: Hank Aaron, Cap Anson, Luke Appling, Ernie Banks, Yogi Berra, Rod Carew, Bob Feller, Whitey Ford, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Al Kaline, Sandy Koufax, Mickey Mantle, Juan Marichal, Willie Mays, Joe Morgan, Stan Musial, Kid Nichols, Mel Ott, Robin Roberts, Brooks Robinson, Frank Robinson, Warren Spahn, Tris Speaker, Arky Vaughan, Ted Williams, Cy Young – 100%
- Number of 1st Ballot Electees: 118
- Most Years on Ballot Before Election: Cupid Childs, Lefty Gomez, Addie Joss, Al Spalding, Vern Stephens – 15
- Number of Players Elected After 10 Years on Ballot: 12
- Number of Players Lasting 15 Years on Ballot without Election: 74
- Number of Players Elected by Veterans Committee: 24
- Number of Players Elected by Negro League Players Veterans Committee: 33
- Highest Percentage Among Players Not Elected: 60.00% - Sal Bando (1987)
- Most Regular Election Electees in One Year: 5 (1901, 1907, 1942, 1988)
- Fewest Regular Election Electees in One Year: 0 (1912, 1923, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1938, 1939, 1945, 1954, 1959, 1975, 1983)
- Most Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 7 (1920)
- Most Negro League Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 19 (1947)
- Fewest Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 0 (1935, 1960, 1975, 1985)
- Fewest Negro League Veterans Committee Electees in One Year: 0 (1967)
- Largest Ballot: 78 Players (1901)
- Largest Post-1915 Ballot: 52 Players (1989)
- Smallest Ballot: 23 Players (1918)
- Most Votes Cast: 37 (1942)
- Fewest Votes Cast: 20 (1901)
- Team With Most Players Elected: San Francisco Giants - 21
- Team With Second Most Players Elected: Chicago Cubs - 16
- Electee with Longest Post-1871 Career: Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams - 28
- Electee with Shortest Post-1871 Career: Dickey Pearce – 8 Seasons
- Members Elected as Both Players and Contributors: Al Spalding, John Ward
- Youngest Elected Player: Amos Rusie – Age 35
- Oldest Elected Player: Joe Start – Age 78
- Number of Posthumously Elected Players: 35
- Number of Posthumously Elected Contributors: 25
- Number of Living Hall of Famers: 62
- Number of Deceased Hall of Famers: 190
- Oldest Living Hall of Famer: Charlie Gehringer - Age 88
- Deceased in Past Year: Luke Appling (1907-1991), James Bell (1903-1991), Bucky Walters (1909-1991)

Number of Ballots Submitted in Past Elections

1901: 20
1902: 24
1903: 26
1904: 25
1905: 24
1906: 23
1907: 24
1908: 25
1909: 22
1910: 25
1911: 25
1912: 23
1913: 23
1914: 26
1915: 25
1916: 25
1917: 25
1918: 24
1919: 27
1920: 26
1921: 31
1922: 28
1923: 25
1924: 29
1925: 24
1926: 25
1927: 28
1928: 27
1929: 25
1930: 25
1931: 32
1932: 24
1933: 29
1934: 28
1935: 33
1936: 32
1937: 34
1938: 30
1939: 32
1940: 34
1941: 35
1942: 37
1943: 30
1944: 27
1945: 29
1946: 27
1947: 28
1948: 26
1949: 25
1950: 34
1951: 35
1952: 31
1953: 34
1954: 32
1955: 28
1956: 27
1957: 30
1958: 30
1959: 24
1960: 27
1961: 26
1962: 21
1963: 22
1964: 27
1965: 24
1966: 23
1967: 23
1968: 24
1969: 28
1970: 26
1971: 26
1972: 29
1973: 30
1974: 25
1975: 23
1976: 27
1977: 27
1978: 29
1979: 29
1980: 30
1981: 26
1982: 27
1983: 25
1984: 28
1985: 25
1986: 26
1987: 25
1988: 24
1989: 27
1990: 26

Links to Past Elections

1901 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77167)
1902 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77464)
1903 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=77797)
1904 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78133)
1905 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78417)
1906 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78737)
1907 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79020)
1908 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79393)
1909 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=79738)
1910 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80134)
1911 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80597)
1912 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81008)
1913 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81477)
1914 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=81965)
1915 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82365)
1916 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82681)
1917 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=82940)
1918 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83241)
1919 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83422)
1920 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83665), 1920 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83697)
1921 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83924)
1922 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84099)
1923 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84257)
1924 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84423)
1925 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84552), 1925 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=84636), 1925 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83852)
1926 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84727)
1927 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84871)
1928 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85029)
1929 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85206)
1930 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85358), 1930 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=85439), 1930 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84578)
1931 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85681)
1932 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85850)
1933 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86054)
1934 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86291)
1935 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86514), 1935 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=86576)
1936 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=86747), 1936 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=85051)
1937 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87002)
1938 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87241)
1939 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87501)
1940 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87800), 1940 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php? t=87854)
1941 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88041), 1941 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=87881)
1942 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=88297)
1943 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89063)
1944 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89394)
1945 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89744), 1945 Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89707)
1946 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89923), 1946 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89916)
1947 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90195), 1947 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90109)
1948 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90391)
1949 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90572)
1950 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90811), 1950 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=90804)
1951 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91009), 1951 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91013)
1952 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91182), 1952 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91175)
1953 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91388)
1954 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=91792)
1955 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92050), 1955 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92049)
1956 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92322), 1956 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92324)
1957 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92596), 1957 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92597)
1958 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=92866)
1959 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93157)
1960 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93383), 1960 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93384)
1961 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93534), 1961 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93536)
1962 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93804), 1962 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93807)
1963 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=93978)
1964 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94139)
1965 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94322), 1965 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94323)
1966 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94495), 1966 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94497)
1967 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94695), 1967 Negro League Players VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94696)
1968 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=94926)
1969 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95058)
1970 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95352), 1970 VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95353)
1971 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95557), 1971 Contributors VC (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95559)
1972 (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=95658)
1973 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?95955-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1973)
1974 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96204-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1974)
1975 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96364-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1975), 1975 VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96364-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1975)
1976 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96501-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1976), 1976 Contributors VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96502-BBF-VC-Progressive-HoF-Contributors-Election-1976)
1977 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96647-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1977)
1978 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96780-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1978)
1979 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?96907-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1979)
1980 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97062-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1980), 1980 VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97064-BBF-VC-Progressive-HoF-Election-1980)
1981 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97232-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1981), 1981 Contributors VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97234-BBF-VC-Progressive-Contributors-Election-1981)
1982 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97367-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1982)
1983 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97506-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1983)
1984 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97674-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1984)
1985 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97834-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1985), 1985 VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?97836-BBF-VC-Progressive-HoF-Election-1985)
1986 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98095-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1986), 1986 VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98096-BBF-VC-Progressive-Contributors-Election-1986)
1987 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98291-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1987)
1988 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98460-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1988)
1989 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98591-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1989)
1990 (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98696-BBF-Progressive-HoF-Election-1990), 1990 VC (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?98697-BBF-VC-Progressive-HoF-Election-1990)

[Cowtipper]

Bonds
Carroll
Cash
Davis
Hiller
Howard
Hunter
Lyle
Marshall
Mazeroski
Munson
Oliva
Pinson
Seaver
Wills

Will vote for when I get room:

Reggie Smith
Jim Kaat
Al Oliver
Rollie Fingers
Rusty Staub
Tony Perez
Vida Blue
Cesar Cedeno
Bobby Grich

The "will vote for list" is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. I really guess I should stop voting for the relievers (Hiller et al) because they don't get any support from anyone else basically. That would open up some space.

[Ace Venom]

Bobby Bonds
Norm Cash
Cesar Cedeno
Rollie Fingers
Bobby Grich
Frank Howard
Catfish Hunter
Jim Kaat
Dave Kingman
Thurman Munson
Tony Oliva
Tony Perez
Vada Pinson
Tom Seaver
Luis Tiant

[jalbright]

Bando
Grich
Perez
Seaver

[jjpm74]

I didn't vote for Grich this time around, but it probably wouldn't take much to change my mind about him (perhaps some kind of comparison to similar players we have elected)?

[hairmetalfreek]

Bobby Bonds
Rollie Fingers
George Foster
Bobby Grich
Frank Howard
Catfish Hunter
Jim Kaat
Thurman Munson
Tony Oliva
Tony Perez
Vada Pinson
Tom Seaver
Ken Singleton
Luis Tiant
Maury Wills

[PVNICK]

Bando
Grich
Mazeroski
Seaver

[dgarza]

Bobby Bonds
Bert Campaneris
Rollie Fingers
George Foster
Bobby Grich
Frank Howard
Sparky Lyle
Mike Marshall
Bill Mazeroski
Tony Oliva
Al Oliver
Tony Perez
Vada Pinson
Tom Seaver
Reggie Smith


1. Tom Seaver
2. Rollie Fingers
3. Tony Oliva
4. Al Oliver
5. Tony Perez
6. Reggie Smith
7. Sparky Lyle
8. George Foster
9. Bobby Bonds
10. Bobby Grich
11. Vada Pinson
12. Frank Howard
13. Mike Marshall
14. Bert Campaneris
15. Bill Mazeroski

[KCGHOST]

Grich
Howard
Seaver

[mwiggins]

I didn't vote for Grich this time around, but it probably wouldn't take much to change my mind about him (perhaps some kind of comparison to similar players we have elected)?

Here's some rough comparison's of Grich to our non-elite HoF 2B.

Win Shares:
1. Gehringer 383
2. Frisch 366
3. Grich 329
4. Fox 304
5. Herman 298

WAR:
1. Gehringer 80.9
2. Frisch 74.7
3. Grich 67.6
4. Herman 55.6
5. Gordon 54.9

OPS+:
1. Doyle 126
2. Grich 125
3. Gehringer 124
4. Lazzeri 121
5. Gordon 120

* Defense: Grich won 4 Gold Gloves. He lead AL 2B in Total Zone Runs and Range Factor twice each, and led in Fielding % 4 times.

* Hitting: Led the league in OPS+ once, and twice finished in the top 10.

* Overall Value: Led position players in WAR once, finished in the Top-5 in 4 other seasons, and twice more in the Top-10. Had two 30+ Win Shares seasons.

[Jsquared83]

Fingers
Catfish
Perez
Singleton

Meant to vote for Seaver but forgot. Pls add in if needed.

[jalbright]

Win Shares has Grich solidly in the middle of the pack of our post 1899 2B (E. Collins, Doerr, Doyle, Fox, Frisch, Gehringer, Gordon, Herman, Hornsby, LaJoie, Lazzeri, Morgan and J. Robinson).

He beats Doerr, Doyle, Fox, Gordon, Herman and Lazzeri in all three of the following categories:
career win shares
Best three seasons in win shares
Best five consecutive seasons in win shares.

We've got 13 second basemen since 1900, and he's better than six of them according to win shares. I'd say that means he belongs.

[Ace Venom]

Win Shares has Grich solidly in the middle of the pack of our post 1899 2B (E. Collins, Doerr, Doyle, Fox, Frisch, Gehringer, Gordon, Herman, Hornsby, LaJoie, Lazzeri, Morgan and J. Robinson).

He beats Doerr, Doyle, Fox, Gordon, Herman and Lazzeri in all three of the following categories:
career win shares
Best three seasons in win shares
Best five consecutive seasons in win shares.

We've got 13 second basemen since 1900, and he's better than six of them according to win shares. I'd say that means he belongs.

Also worth mentioning is Grich's power. Anyone have any information about his home run splits by position? How does he rank in pure counting numbers for home runs by a second baseman compared to Joe Morgan? I know it's less, but I'm curious to see Grich's SS/2B power splits.

[mwiggins]

Also worth mentioning is Grich's power. Anyone have any information about his home run splits by position? How does he rank in pure counting numbers for home runs by a second baseman compared to Joe Morgan? I know it's less, but I'm curious to see Grich's SS/2B power splits.

He hit 197 HR as a 2B, 15 as a SS, 5 at 3B, 6 at 1B, and 1 PH. Morgan hit 263 HR's as a 2B.

[Ace Venom]

He hit 197 HR as a 2B, 15 as a SS, 5 at 3B, 6 at 1B, and 1 PH. Morgan hit 263 HR's as a 2B.

That's a significant difference, but about as round as you're going to be at 88% of his power coming from when he played at second. It brings a greater appreciation to the overall skills of players like Joe Morgan and Ryne Sandberg (jumping ahead), who hit 98% of their home runs while playing second base. Joe Gordon hit 97% of his home runs while playing second base.

[AstrosFan]

Bando
Bonds
Grich
Munson
Seaver
Tiant
Wynn

[BigRon]

Tom Seaver
Bill Mazeroski

Grich will get my vote in the future- overall, he was a better player than Maz, whom I'm voting for. Tiant, probably Fingers, Perez, and a couple of others soon.

[Ubiquitous]

There isn't any real reason to hold the homers he hit as a SS and 3B against him when comparing second basemen or really much of anything other than making lists about second basemen and only secondbasemen.

[jjpm74]

There isn't any real reason to hold the homers he hit as a SS and 3B against him when comparing second basemen or really much of anything other than making lists about second basemen and only secondbasemen.

Who are you talking about?

[Ace Venom]

There isn't any real reason to hold the homers he hit as a SS and 3B against him when comparing second basemen or really much of anything other than making lists about second basemen and only secondbasemen.

I'm not really doing that. I was curious.

[Ubiquitous]

I'm talking about comparing players who hit almost all of their homers at one position versus a player that hit almost all of his homers while playing several positions that are just as hard or harder than the position of the other players.

[Matthew C.]

Bando
Bonds
Grich
Munson
Seaver
Tiant
Wynn

Ditto - with Tennace thrown in.

[jjpm74]

I'm talking about comparing players who hit almost all of their homers at one position versus a player that hit almost all of his homers while playing several positions that are just as hard or harder than the position of the other players.

Which player are you talking about or is this in reference to? And how about an actual straight answer instead of another annoying nebulous reply this time? It was a simple question.

EDIT: Or hit the quote button so that others actually know who/what you are replying to. Your conversation was/is hard to follow without going back, reading the entire thread, then trying to deduce which conversation you are a part of.

[Ubiquitous]

Which player are you talking about or is this in reference to? And how about an actual straight answer instead of another annoying nebulous reply this time? It was a simple question.

EDIT: Or hit the quote button so that others actually know who/what you are replying to. Your conversation was/is hard to follow without going back, reading the entire thread, then trying to deduce which conversation you are a part of.

There is only one actual conversation going on in this thread.

[Ace Venom]

One lack of a vote I can chalk up to not seeing something, but why did two people not vote for Tom Seaver? He's only fourth all time in career WAR (105.3) for pitchers, has a career sub-3.00 ERA, won over 300 games, struck out more than 3,000 batters, has 388 career win shares and won multiple Cy Young Awards.

[BigRon]

One lack of a vote I can chalk up to not seeing something, but why did two people not vote for Tom Seaver? He's only fourth all time in career WAR (105.3) for pitchers, has a career sub-3.00 ERA, won over 300 games, struck out more than 3,000 batters, has 388 career win shares and won multiple Cy Young Awards.

I wondered the same thing. Seaver is, by any measure, one of the top 10 pitchers in th history of the game through 1991, possibly one of the top 5. Very strange indeed.

[joggerdru]

Bando
Bonds
Grich
Kaat
Oliva
Perez
Seaver
Tiant
Wills

[Cowtipper]

Vida Blue, a six time All Star, Cy Young Award winner, MVP and 209 game winner doesn't have a single vote? I'm surprised.

[DoubleX]

I'm not voting for him, but other than era, is there much difference between Jim Kaat and Burleigh Grimes? I've longed view Grimes, along with other VC pitching selections, Wilbur Cooper and Bucky Walters (and maybe now Urban Shocker as well), as being among our more questionable selections. I compare Kaat to Grimes because there are a lot of similarities statistically:

ERA+
Kaat: 108
Grimes: 108

WAR:
Kaat: 41.2
Grimes: 37.2

IP
Kaat: 4530
Grimes: 4180

Wins
Kaat: 283
Grimes: 270

Grimes stood out in his era better, as show in ink scores, but overall doesn't paint a particularly compelling case IMO, and I think his selection does open the door for someone like Jim Kaat or Tommy John in a few years to merit serious consideration (I'd argue that John's case is even better than Kaat's).

[DoubleX]

As an addendum to my last post, here's how non-elected and soon to be eligible pitchers compare to elected pitchers in terms of WAR all the way through where Burleigh Grimes finally appears - at least based on WAR, I think it could be argued that we've made some clear mistakes (non-elected players in bold):

1) Cy Young - 146 - HoF
2) Walter Johnson - 127.7 - HoF
3) Tom Seaver - 105.3 - HoF (well very soon to be)
4) Pete Alexander - 104.8
5) Kid Nichols - 102.3
6) Lefty Grove - 98.3
7) Phil Niekro - 96.8 - Eligible in 1992
8) Gaylord Perry - 96.3 - HoF
9) Warren Sphan - 93.4 - HoF
10) Christy Mathewson - 87.7 - HoF
11) Bob Gibson - 85.6 - HoF
12) Steve Carlton - 84.4 - Eligible in 1993
13) Tim Keefe - 82.5 - HoF
14) John Clarkson - 82.1 - HoF
15) Fergie Jenkins - 81.3 - HoF
16) Robin Roberts - 80.9 - HoF
17) Eddie Plank - 76.3 - HoF
18) Charley Radbourn - 71.6 - HoF
19) Don Sutton - 70.8 - Eligible in 1993
20) Pud Galvin - 70.5 - HoF
21) Bob Feller - 66 - HoF
22) Don Drysdale - 65.7 - HoF
23) Tony Mullane - 65.1 - HoF
24) Jim McCormick - 64.7 (please see my comments on him in the last VC Election)
25) Carl Hubbell - 64.4 - HoF
26) Juan Marichal - 64 - HoF
27) Jim Palmer - 63.5 - HoF
28) Amos Rusie - 60.6 - HoF
t29) Jim Bunning - 60.1 - HoF
t29) Luis Tiant - 60.1 - Currently on Ballot (time to give him more discussion?)
31) Tommy John - 59 - Eligible in 1994
32) Jerry Koosman - 58.8 (was he one and done last year?)
33) Ted Lyons - 58.8 - HoF
34) Vic Willis - 57.2 - HoF
35) Mickey Welch - 56.5 - HoF
36) Dazzy Vance - 56.4 - HoF
37) Hal Newhouser - 56.3 - HoF
t38) Mordecai Brown - 56.1 - HoF
t38) Charlie Buffinton - 56.1
40) Larry Jackson - 55.6
41) Whitey Ford - 55.3 - HoF
42) Red Faber - 55.2 - HoF
43) Ed Walsh - 54.8 - HoF
44) Sandy Koufax - 54.5 - HoF
45) Stan Coveleski - 54 - HoF
46) Silver King - 53.8
47) Joe McGinnity - 53.7 - HoF
t48) Bob Caruthers - 53.6 - HoF
t48) Red Ruffing - 53.6 - HoF
50) Billy Pierce - 53.5 - HoF
51) Early Wynn - 52 - HoF
52) Eppa Rixey - 51.2 - HoF
53) Tommy Bridges - 50.7 - HoF
54) Rube Waddell - 50.2 - HoF
t55) Eddie Cicotte - 49.7 - Ineligible
t55) Jack Quinn - 49.7
57) Clark Griffith - 49 - HoF
58) Bob Friend - 48.9
t59) Urban Shocker - 47 - HoF
t59) Waite Hoyt - 47
61) Gus Weyhing - 46.3
62) Bob Newsom - 45.9
63) Steve Rogers - 45.8
t64) Dutch Leonard - 45.6
t64) Mickey Lolich - 45.6
66) Milt Pappas - 45.3
67) Babe Adams - 45.2
68) Wilbur Wood - 45
69) Jack Powell - 44.5
70) Ron Guidry - 44.4 - Eligible in 1993
71) Ed Morris - 43.9
72) Vida Blue - 43.8 - Currently on Ballot
73) Wilbur Cooper - 43.7 - HoF (this may be where eyebrows start to raise)
74) Dizzy Trout - 43.6
75) Lefty Gomez - 43 - HoF
76) Curt Simmons - 42.6
77) Jack Stivetts - 42.5
78) Mel Harder - 42.5
79) Bob Lemon - 42.4 - HoF
80) Eddie Rommel - 42.1
81) Nap Rucker - 41.7
82) Virgil Trucks - 41.6
t83) Wes Ferrell - 41.3 - HoF
t83) Hoyt Wilhelm - 41.3 - HoF
t85) Jim Kaat - 41.2 - Currently on Ballot
t85) Sam McDowell - 41.2
87) Addie Joss - 40.9 - HoF
88) Tommy Bond - 40.8
89) Sadie McMahon - 40.5
t90) Bob Shawkey - 40.4
t90) Lon Warneke - 40.4
92) Sam Leever - 40.3
93) Dolf Luque - 40.2
94) Larry French - 40
95) Claude Osteen - 39.8
96) Ed Reulbach - 39.7
t97) Dizzy Dean - 39.6 - HoF
t97) Carl Mays - 39.6 - HoF (hmmm)
t97) Noodles Hahn - 39.6
100) Ted Breitenstein - 39.1
101) Murry Dickson - 38.9
102) Harry Brecheen - 38.8
103) Jon Matlack - 38.7
104) Chief Bender - 38.5
105) Bucky Walters - 38.2 - HoF (hmmm)
106)Larry Dierker - 38.1
t107) Frank Dwyer - 37.9
t107) Charley Root - 37.9
t107) Mel Stottlemyre - 37.9
t107) Hippo Vaughn - 37.9
111) Will White - 37.8
112) Burleigh Grimes - 37.2 - HoF (hmmm)

fyi, Catfish Hunter, who is currently on the ballot, checks in at 143rd with a 32.5.

[PVNICK]

Wow!!! To the extent that one ascribes to WAR as it relates to pitchers that really puts things into persepective. Some surprises as far as how high the 19th century guys were like Buffinton, King and the much debated Welch.

[jjpm74]

Wow!!! To the extent that one ascribes to WAR as it relates to pitchers that really puts things into persepective. Some surprises as far as how high the 19th century guys were like Buffinton, King and the much debated Welch.

If anything, it demonstrates that WAR might not be the best way to look at pitchers. Particularly 19th century pitchers.

[Cowtipper]

If anything, it demonstrates that WAR might not be the best way to look at pitchers. Particularly 19th century pitchers.

You....you don't say.

[Ubiquitous]

Almost any stat we got out there right now isn't really good for 19th century baseball. It was simply a different kind of game back then.

[BigRon]

Plus, WAR (like career Win Shares) is a counting stat. Should be considered but clearly not a be all and end all stat. Carrying way too much weight here at BBF, in my opinion.

[mwiggins]

Though career WAR totals do just tell you who produced the most value over their entire career. Nothing about peak, nothing about how they compared to their peers.

And that is just pitching WAR listed above. Wes Ferrell, for example, also accumulated 12 WAR for his hitting/fielding/baserunning. While Bob Friend - who had more pitching WAR (48.9 vs. 41.3) - accumulated negative 6.2 WAR for his hitting/baserunning/fielding.

But I do agree with you about Grimes. But using WAR you also see that Grimes did stand out among his peers, during his peak, more than John did. Grimes was top 5 in his league in WAR among pitchers in 5 different seasons. He led the league in WAR in 1921, and was 2nd in 1922. John, on the other hand, was in the Top 5 in pitching WAR only 3 times, and he never finished better than 3rd in WAR among pitchers.

Grimes also had MUCH MUCH better Black and Grey Ink scores. He led the league in IP 3 times, Complete Games 4 times, and ERA+ once.

[Ace Venom]

I simply goofed and missed Koosman for the 1990 ballot. That will be rectified for 1992. Thanks for the catch.

[mwiggins]

Plus, in the spirit of this project, it probably doesn't make sense to compare guys like Grimes and Walters to guys like John and Kaat when evaluating whether they were mistakes or not. Grimes and Walters should only really be compared to the pitchers that played during and before them, since that's how we evaluated them during the voting process.

[Ace Venom]

Plus, in the spirit of this project, it probably doesn't make sense to compare guys like Grimes and Walters to guys like John and Kaat when evaluating whether they were mistakes or not. Grimes and Walters should only really be compared to the pitchers that played during and before them, since that's how we evaluated them during the voting process.

I wholeheartedly agree. It's best to objectively look at what John and Kaat did in terms of their time and not so much in comparison to Grimes and Walters. In my mind, John always gets sold a little short because he's better known for the surgery that bears his name rather than how good he was.

[mwiggins]

I wholeheartedly agree. It's best to objectively look at what John and Kaat did in terms of their time and not so much in comparison to Grimes and Walters. In my mind, John always gets sold a little short because he's better known for the surgery that bears his name rather than how good he was.

That's not exactly what I was trying to say. The older Hall of Famers are part of the "standards" that guys like John should be compared to...but Grimes' worthiness as a Hall of Famer shouldn't be measured by how he compares to pitchers that came after him like John or Bob Friend or Claude Osteen. Looking at it from a 1991 perspective, it's hard to say that Grimes belongs while Tommy John doesn't. But Grimes as a Hall of Fame candidate wasn't evaluated from a 1991 perspective, nor should he be in this project.

But I agree that comparing them to their peers is very important, not just compare their relative stats (ERA+, WAR, Win Shares) to other players in different eras. As I think some of us tried to do with 3B back in the pre-Eddie Mathews days.

[Ace Venom]

That's not exactly what I was trying to say. The older Hall of Famers are part of the "standards" that guys like John should be compared to...but Grimes' worthiness as a Hall of Famer shouldn't be measured by how he compares to pitchers that came after him like John or Bob Friend or Claude Osteen. Looking at it from a 1991 perspective, it's hard to say that Grimes belongs while Tommy John doesn't. But Grimes as a Hall of Fame candidate wasn't evaluated from a 1991 perspective, nor should he be in this project.

But I agree that comparing them to their peers is very important, not just compare their relative stats (ERA+, WAR, Win Shares) to other players in different eras. As I think some of us tried to do with 3B back in the pre-Eddie Mathews days.

That's a bit of what I'm saying too. One thing I know is that when John becomes eligible, I'll likely stop voting for Kaat. I often think that if not for the season he lost due to the surgery that bears his name, John would have been a 300 game winner. But who knows? That's more of a case of how much injury credit you want to give a guy and I don't really think he should get injury credit. For a guy like John, he doesn't really have many supporters that I've seen, but I've flip flopped on the issue with John. But that's besides the point. He still is lower tier compared to some of the other pitching heavyweights coming along.

[DoubleX]

But I do agree with you about Grimes. But using WAR you also see that Grimes did stand out among his peers, during his peak, more than John did. Grimes was top 5 in his league in WAR among pitchers in 5 different seasons. He led the league in WAR in 1921, and was 2nd in 1922. John, on the other hand, was in the Top 5 in pitching WAR only 3 times, and he never finished better than 3rd in WAR among pitchers.

Grimes also had MUCH MUCH better Black and Grey Ink scores. He led the league in IP 3 times, Complete Games 4 times, and ERA+ once.

This is all true, but Grimes' peak was not particularly special and WAR shows that he was lacking in career value. Without a real noteworthy peak or a long career with unimpressive career value, it's hard to see how he fits in.

I also agree that Kaat and John didn't have the peak performance of Grimes, but they close the gap on career value, particularly John when using WAR and ERA+ (Tiant should be included in this discussion as well).

I also see what you're saying about it being unfair to call Walters and Grimes (among others) mistakes when comparing them to John and Kaat, though to be fair, I felt that they were mistakes at the time of their elections given our standards at the time. Plus if you look at the career WAR without considering later players, Grimes in particular is still behind several predecessors and contemporaries who have not been elected and he lacks the peak of someone like Dean or Joss or Gomez to make up for it.

Players like Grimes, Walters, Cooper, and perhaps even Mays, form a pretty flexible bottom end of our pitching standards, IMO, to the point where players like Tiant, Kaat, and John, should be seriously considered. Grimes in particular establishes that we'll consider good pitchers who hung around for a long time but were hardly especially great.

[jalbright]

Wow!!! To the extent that one ascribes to WAR as it relates to pitchers that really puts things into persepective. Some surprises as far as how high the 19th century guys were like Buffinton, King and the much debated Welch.

To me, the main problem with WAR with 19th century pitchers is the "above replacement" combined with the huge number of innings the conditions (shorter pitching distance, mainly) permitted. If you switched to a better HOF standard like wins above average (as .500 is proof a guy isn't great, and if he's far enough ahead of that standard, he is great), I'd bet the 19th century pitchers would drop significantly.

[mwiggins]

This is all true, but Grimes' peak was not particularly special and WAR shows that he was lacking in career value. Without a real noteworthy peak or a long career with unimpressive career value, it's hard to see how he fits in.

I also agree that Kaat and John didn't have the peak performance of Grimes, but they close the gap on career value, particularly John when using WAR and ERA+ (Tiant should be included in this discussion as well).

I also see what you're saying about it being unfair to call Walters and Grimes (among others) mistakes when comparing them to John and Kaat, though to be fair, I felt that they were mistakes at the time of their elections given our standards at the time. Plus if you look at the career WAR without considering later players, Grimes in particular is still behind several predecessors and contemporaries who have not been elected and he lacks the peak of someone like Dean or Joss or Gomez to make up for it.

Players like Grimes, Walters, Cooper, and perhaps even Mays, form a pretty flexible bottom end of our pitching standards, IMO, to the point where players like Tiant, Kaat, and John, should be seriously considered. Grimes in particular establishes that we'll consider good pitchers who hung around for a long time but were hardly especially great.

Agree wholeheartedly about Grimes. I don't think he fits in, even when judged against the pitchers that came before him.

But he was a VC selection, so I don't know how far you can go using him to establish standards. The voters as a whole rejected him as a pitcher without sufficient career or peak value. So it's not suprising that similar pitchers would also be rejected.

In fact, all those guys you listed were VC selections (Cooper, Mays, Walters). I voted for Walters, but not the other two. And I certainly consider Walters pretty much a bottom of the barrel Hall of Famer, and I only supported him because he started his career as a 3B and didn't start pitching until he was 26.

But the voters as a whole rejected all of those guys, so it's hard to say "Grimes is a Hall of Famer, so why isn't Jim Kaat getting 75%?" Kaat may very well make it in via the VC just like Grimes did. If Grimes is the bottom of the standard, then yes, Kaat belongs. But 75% of us don't consider Grimes to be part of the Hall of Fame standard (I'm assuming, since he never got 75% of the vote).

Also, there's a fairly resonable explanation for all the guys at the bottom of that list who were elected in the general election. They weren't elected on the strength of their career value.

Dean - peak + injury
Joss - peak + early death
Ferrell - great hitter for a pitcher
Wilhelm - relief ace with great rate stats (147 ERA+, for instance)
Lemon - late start due to position switch/WW2/strong peak with 6 20-win seasons in 7 years

I don't think those guys are useful in establishing a standard/threshold for career value either. If you're a pitcher with the same WAR/Win Shares as Lemon, for instance, you're probably not worthy unless there was something that makes up for that (great peak, career cut short, great hitting, ect).

[DoubleX]

Also, there's a fairly resonable explanation for all the guys at the bottom of that list who were elected in the general election. They weren't elected on the strength of their career value.

Dean - peak + injury
Joss - peak + early death
Ferrell - great hitter for a pitcher
Wilhelm - relief ace with great rate stats (147 ERA+, for instance)
Lemon - late start due to position switch/WW2/strong peak with 6 20-win seasons in 7 years

I don't think those guys are useful in establishing a standard/threshold for career value either. If you're a pitcher with the same WAR/Win Shares as Lemon, for instance, you're probably not worthy unless there was something that makes up for that (great peak, career cut short, great hitting, ect).

Agreed, that's why I didn't lump those players in with Grimes/Walters/Cooper/Mays, and noted that's why Grimes is a particularly curious case because he's devoid both notable career and peak value. I don't think Shocker, Gomez, Ferrell, Lemon, Dean, or Joss, are particularly great elections, but they have aspects, some of which you mentioned, that safely push them over the line and make them decent fits. However, was Grimes that much better a candidate than players we quickly dismissed such as Waite Hoyt or Jack Quinn? Grimes had the better peak, but again it was nothing particular notable and was it enough to make up for career value advantages that Hoyt, Quinn, and others may have had?

I'm also not sure though we should give less weight to a player's election because he was a VC election. Either way the player is in, and when the VC does it, it's essentially saying that for whatever reason, perhaps evolving standards or just plain oversight by the regular electorate, that the player should be in. Once in, the player becomes part of the collective standards and should hasten the election of future similar players, rather than saying a similar player should also have to wait for the VC.

The general point, and sorry for being redundant, is that the election of these bottom tier pitchers has set a flexible standard that should be making us pay more attention to the likes of Tiant, Kaat, John, maybe Koosman, while also revisiting players like Hoyt and Quinn. If those players represents our standards, we're doing a disservice by not bringing attention to the many other pitchers with an argument for potentially being within that large sphere. Under normal standards (i.e. Cooperstown), we're trained to be pretty dismissive of a lot of these guys, but the standards here should be guiding us differently. That's really what this project is all about - dealing with a different reality in assessing Hall of Fame worthiness.

[mwiggins]

I would guess that most of the VC members who voted for Grimes are either voting for Kaat or plan to vote for him when they have room on their ballot.

I just think Grimes is too much of an outlier to be useful at all in voting. If he's used as the entry point, we'd have a very different standard for pitchers than we do for position players. As a candidate he's the equivalent of maybe Joe Judge or Red Schoendienst - long career, but didn't accumulate a lot of career value and didn't have a strong peak. I think Grimes is just a case of people seeing 270 wins and 4100 innings and overrating him, but I wasn't voting in the VC when he was elected, so I don't know exactly why 75% of the VC voted him.

I do think Tiant belongs, though. He's a notch above John & Kaat IMO.

[jjpm74]

FWIW, longevity + defense are what pushed Kaat onto my ballot. Tiant and Koosman, I think both need more detailed discussion and comparison. I think that Tiant is well above our threshold. Koosman may also be after closer scrutiny. Tommy John I will be voting for when he becomes available, primarily because he compares favorably to Kaat. I also plan on voting for Ron Guidry when he becomes available. He's a Hippo Vaughn, Addie Joss type short career guy.

[Matthew C.]

On Lemon: 51 WAR in what amounts to 11 seasons with near 23 WAE (Wins Above Excellence) which only considers WAR in seasons over 3 WAR. This is more WAE than Dean or Gomez.

[mwiggins]

On Lemon: 51 WAR in what amounts to 11 seasons with near 23 WAE (Wins Above Excellence) which only considers WAR in seasons over 3 WAR. This is more WAE than Dean or Gomez.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Just in terms of pitching WAE, here's how the borderline guys (in terms of career WAR) compare.

* using BBRef's WAR

Waddell - 22.3 (7 seasons)
Dean - 17.7 (6 seasons)
Gomez - 17.7 (7 seasons)
Shocker - 15.9 (8 seasons)
Bridges - 15.0 (11 seasons)
Joss - 15.0 (8 seasons)
Cooper - 13.9 (8 seasons)
Lemon - 13.6 (8 seasons)
Walters - 12.6 (5 seasons)
Rixey - 12.6 (9 seasons)
Grimes - 11.6 (7 seasons)
Mays - 9.7 (6 seasons)

Tiant - 21.0 (9 seasons)
Koosman - 18.2 (9 seasons)
Kaat - 12.6 (6 seasons)
John - 12.2 (7 seasons)


Koosman certainly looks more appealing. John looks more like a "compiler". Tiant's peak years look at least comparable to guys like Waddell and Dean, though they were much more scattered. He never had a stretch of consistent dominance like those guys.

Bridges 11 seasons over 3+ stand out. He was extremely consistent - never one of the very best, but one of the best consistenly for over a decade. 10 times in 12 seasons he finished in the top 10 in his league in pitching WAR, but never finished better than 3rd. Lousy hitter, though. Below replacement level even for a pitcher.

To get an idea of how those guys compare to top pitchers of different types...Bob Gibson (high peak value) had 44.1 in 11 seasons, Warren Spahn (high career value) had 39.6 in 15 seasons, and Tom Seaver (good mix of both) had 49.4 WAE in 16 seasons.

[Ace Venom]

Koosman certainly looks more appealing. John looks more like a "compiler". Tiant's peak years look at least comparable to guys like Waddell and Dean, though they were much more scattered. He never had a stretch of consistent dominance like those guys.

Bridges 11 seasons over 3+ stand out. He was extremely consistent - never one of the very best, but one of the best consistenly for over a decade. 10 times in 12 seasons he finished in the top 10 in his league in pitching WAR, but never finished better than 3rd. Lousy hitter, though. Below replacement level even for a pitcher.

To get an idea of how those guys compare to top pitchers of different types...Bob Gibson (high peak value) had 44.1 in 11 seasons, Warren Spahn (high career value) had 39.6 in 15 seasons, and Tom Seaver (good mix of both) had 49.4 WAE in 16 seasons.

That's pretty interesting. I'll still be supporting John, but it puts his career in an interesting perspective. I've heard the compiler label thrown around for people we've elected, but I think John is someone that could fit in our Hall of Fame. There's a big debate over certain players. Should they:

1) ...be great for a short period of time, effectively transcending the sport. That's the Sandy Koufax and Ralph Kiner argument.
2) ...were just great players. It's hard to debate that Stan Musial was a great player.
3) ...hit a significant milestone, accomplishing what only a few have done. This is the magic number argument and so far, we haven't denied 3,000 hit, 3,000 strikeout, 500 home run, or 300 win players.
4) ...were longtime significant parts of major championship dynasties. This was part of what helped Red Ruffing, Phil Rizzuto, Tony Lazzeri and Lefty Gomez get elected.
5) ...for whatever reason, were good or great enough to hang around for a long time, finally getting recognition towards the end of their careers. These are the guys that fell short of magic numbers for whatever reason (eg. Sam Rice's late career start and WWI service). Sometimes these guys are VC selections, but other times, they just hang around and languish. I suspect this is the fate of Jim Kaat and later Tommy John. OTOH, I suspect Bert Blyleven will sail in easily because he has at least one magic number to his credit, but missed 300 wins.

[mwiggins]

For me, guys can get in three ways.

1) Strength of their peak
2) Strength of their career
3) Blend of both, where your peak and career aren't HoF worthy on their own

I will also give extra "credit" sometimes for milestones or for guys with special circumstances (like Lemon's, Walter's, and Rice's position switches; war years lost, or careers cut short by injury or death).


4) ...were longtime significant parts of major championship dynasties. This was part of what helped Red Ruffing, Phil Rizzuto, Tony Lazzeri and Lefty Gomez get elected.


With Ruffing I could buy that, but the other three deserve enshrinement on their own merit, not simply because they happened to play for a dynansty.

Take Rizzuto...I vote for him because of his peak and how that peak compares to other SS's, with the extra credit for his lost years to WW2. He was an elite defensive SS who put up a 96 OPS+ over a 10 year stretch, won an MVP, was a fantasic bunter, excellent baserunner, and lost 3 of his prime seasons to WW2. The fact that he won so many titles certainly helps his cause, but he deserves to be in on his own merits, not simply because he happened to play on that great Yankees team.

[DoubleX]

Ace, any thought to holding perhaps one more special Negro League election? I was one who thought it was ok to incorporate the Negro League candidates into the regular players VC election, but now I'm thinking that perhaps it was premature. We had five special Negro League elections, the last occurring in 1967 in which we didn't elect anyone. Perhaps we should have given it at least one more election before determining that the process was superfluous. I also think that despite Jim Albright's best efforts, any remaining deserving Negro League candidates may not be getting the attention they deserve in the VC election. So all told, it might be worth taking one last focused look back on the group (and if we do this, next year might be a good year since it would fall in line with the five year intervals at which the elections used to occur).

[Ace Venom]

Ace, any thought to holding perhaps one more special Negro League election? I was one who thought it was ok to incorporate the Negro League candidates into the regular players VC election, but now I'm thinking that perhaps it was premature. We had five special Negro League elections, the last occurring in 1967 in which we didn't elect anyone. Perhaps we should have given it at least one more election before determining that the process was superfluous. I also think that despite Jim Albright's best efforts, any remaining deserving Negro League candidates may not be getting the attention they deserve in the VC election. So all told, it might be worth taking one last focused look back on the group (and if we do this, next year might be a good year since it would fall in line with the five year intervals at which the elections used to occur).

I wouldn't mind doing it. Nothing has really changed at this point, but I'd have to reform the committee.

[Matthew C.]

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Just in terms of pitching WAE, here's how the borderline guys (in terms of career WAR) compare.

* using BBRef's WAR

Waddell - 22.3 (7 seasons)
Dean - 17.7 (6 seasons)
Gomez - 17.7 (7 seasons)
Shocker - 15.9 (8 seasons)
Bridges - 15.0 (11 seasons)
Joss - 15.0 (8 seasons)
Cooper - 13.9 (8 seasons)
Lemon - 13.6 (8 seasons)
Walters - 12.6 (5 seasons)
Rixey - 12.6 (9 seasons)
Grimes - 11.6 (7 seasons)
Mays - 9.7 (6 seasons)

Tiant - 21.0 (9 seasons)
Koosman - 18.2 (9 seasons)
Kaat - 12.6 (6 seasons)
John - 12.2 (7 seasons)


Koosman certainly looks more appealing. John looks more like a "compiler". Tiant's peak years look at least comparable to guys like Waddell and Dean, though they were much more scattered. He never had a stretch of consistent dominance like those guys.

Bridges 11 seasons over 3+ stand out. He was extremely consistent - never one of the very best, but one of the best consistenly for over a decade. 10 times in 12 seasons he finished in the top 10 in his league in pitching WAR, but never finished better than 3rd. Lousy hitter, though. Below replacement level even for a pitcher.

To get an idea of how those guys compare to top pitchers of different types...Bob Gibson (high peak value) had 44.1 in 11 seasons, Warren Spahn (high career value) had 39.6 in 15 seasons, and Tom Seaver (good mix of both) had 49.4 WAE in 16 seasons.

Add in offense and Dean is over 20, Lemon is well over 20, and Shocker is close to 20 as well. Waddell's poor hitting moves him near 20 and Koosman's poor hitting puts him near 15. Same for Gomez.

Here is a general scale I like to use when evaluating pitchers;

If a pitcher has 50 career WAR, I like to see 19-20 WAE to be HOFer
A pitcher with 55 career WAR needs about 17-18 WAE
60 career WAR needs about 15-16 WAE
65 career WAR needs about 13-14 WAE
70 career WAR needs 11-12 WAE
A pitcher with 40-49 WAR needs over 20 WAE in a very short period of time and usulay something else (postseason dominance, War service credit, etc.)

By the way, Ruffing is at 67 and 21.8. Easy HOFer.

[mwiggins]

By the way, Ruffing is at 67 and 21.8. Easy HOFer.

I had forgotten Ruffing was that good of a hitter (81 OPS+ in 2083 PA's/+13.7 offensive WAR). In pitching only he's only at 14.2 WAE.

It's interestnig how different Ruffing and Grimes pitching WAR is.

* They both had similar IP and ERA+: 4344 IP, 109 ERA+ for Ruffing, 4180 IP, 108 ERA+ for Grimes.
* WAR shows that Ruffing had much better defensive support than Grimes.
* Ruffing has more Win Shares than Grimes (320 vs. 286), but 30 of Ruffing's are from hitting, so the pitching Win Shares difference isn't that much.
* Their WAR peaks are fairly similar. Best 3: 17.0 for Grimes, 18 for Ruffing. Best 5: 25.8 for Grimes, 27.6 for Ruffing. Best 7: 32.6 for Grimes, 35.2 for Ruffing.

Yet Ruffing ends up with 53.6 career pitching WAR, vs. just 37.2 for Grimes.

Is it simply a matter of Grimes having more bad years than Ruffing? He pitched 870 IP at a below replacement level, vs. 344 IP at a below replacement level for Ruffing.

[Matthew C.]

Even though I would never endorse combo methods of ranking players by adding different uberstats, adding WAR with WAE gets a pretty good list that is pretty compliant with how we vote around here (with a few exceptions, of course). 70 combined is borderline and anything over 80 is a pretty sure thing:

Here are some progressive examples:

Morris: 45
Gomez: 55
Dean: 62
John: 69
Wynn: 77
Tiant: 79
Lyons: 82
K. Brown: 87
Glavine: 92
Hubbell: 97
Drysdale: 102
Pedro: 109
Roberts: 113
Carlton: 125
R. Johnson: 130
Maddux: 148
Alexander: 161
Clemens: 192
Young: 232

[DoubleX]

I wouldn't mind doing it. Nothing has really changed at this point, but I'd have to reform the committee.

I think it's just worth having one last look. I think there's some worthwhile discussion left to be had that would merit one special election. Cooperstown even did it just a few years ago (in real time). You could just start a 1992 NLVC election thread and let anyone who was either a member of the NLVC at its last election or a current VC member vote. Not sure how many votes you'd get, but if it's not enough, go with a 10 vote quorum (hopefully we'd get at least 12 votes though).

[DoubleX]

* Their WAR peaks are fairly similar. Best 3: 17.0 for Grimes, 18 for Ruffing. Best 5: 25.8 for Grimes, 27.6 for Ruffing. Best 7: 32.6 for Grimes, 35.2 for Ruffing.

Yet Ruffing ends up with 53.6 career pitching WAR, vs. just 37.2 for Grimes.

Is it simply a matter of Grimes having more bad years than Ruffing? He pitched 870 IP at a below replacement level, vs. 344 IP at a below replacement level for Ruffing.

I think you start to see the difference as you expand the peak sample. Ruffing was just a slight notch better for longer and it added up over a long period. Once Ruffing got to the Yankees in 1930, he was productive every year through 1946, accumulating a pitching WAR of 49.6 during that time, including 6 seasons with a pitching WAR over 4. Grimes never experienced such sustained success, experience ups and downs throughout most of his career, and only 4 seasons with a pitching WAR over 4.

Ruffing was also just a much better pitcher for whatever reason once he got to the Yankees. His ERA+ in 3192.2 IP starting in 1930 was 119. It's his beginning years with the Red Sox that brings down his ERA+. His WAR reflects how much better Ruffing was over the last 75% or so of his career.

[Matthew C.]

Ruffing also had -2 WAR counting only negative WAR seasons and Grimes had -6.

[Ace Venom]

This election is closed. We elected Tom Seaver in his first year of eligibility. He will be the first player in the Progressive HoF to represent the New York Mets.