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    question regarding b.j. upton: is he really that much of an upgrade over where mclouth was at the time that we traded for him? I don't know if that's a good trade, especially if we have to give up an elite arm (which we didn't really have to do in the mclouth trade).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    question regarding b.j. upton: is he really that much of an upgrade over where mclouth was at the time that we traded for him? I don't know if that's a good trade, especially if we have to give up an elite arm (which we didn't really have to do in the mclouth trade).
    The short answer: no.

    The long answer: Upton would be an upgrade in the outfield, only because the outfield outside of Heyward was so bad. However, his batting average has decreased each year since hitting .300 in 2007. His counting stats are superfically fine and his SB% was exquisite last year (42/51 = 82.4%). However his OBP is now bottomed out to .313 and .322 the last couple of seasons. I don't believe he's worth giving up anything of actual value. I'd much rather sign Coco Crisp than trade for Upton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    The short answer: no.

    The long answer: Upton would be an upgrade in the outfield, only because the outfield outside of Heyward was so bad. However, his batting average has decreased each year since hitting .300 in 2007. His counting stats are superfically fine and his SB% was exquisite last year (42/51 = 82.4%). However his OBP is now bottomed out to .313 and .322 the last couple of seasons. I don't believe he's worth giving up anything of actual value. I'd much rather sign Coco Crisp than trade for Upton.
    i know mclouth didn't average probably as many steals per season, but wasn't that a point of success that he had as well? i agree though, I totally don't think he's worth a JJ, teheran, delgado, vizcaino or even a beachy or hoover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    i know mclouth didn't average probably as many steals per season, but wasn't that a point of success that he had as well?
    McLouth didn't steal nearly as many bases as Upton, but his high success rate was much more consistent. He did steal seven of nine bases last season (77.8%). Ironically, his steal rate decreased dramatically once he got to Atlanta (7-7 with PIT in 2008, 12-18 (66.7%) with ATL after he was traded). Maybe Bobby just really didn't know when to send him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    The short answer: no.

    The long answer: Upton would be an upgrade in the outfield, only because the outfield outside of Heyward was so bad. However, his batting average has decreased each year since hitting .300 in 2007. His counting stats are superfically fine and his SB% was exquisite last year (42/51 = 82.4%). However his OBP is now bottomed out to .313 and .322 the last couple of seasons. I don't believe he's worth giving up anything of actual value. I'd much rather sign Coco Crisp than trade for Upton.
    Crisp's option has already been picked up so that isn't an option.

    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    question regarding b.j. upton: is he really that much of an upgrade over where mclouth was at the time that we traded for him? I don't know if that's a good trade, especially if we have to give up an elite arm (which we didn't really have to do in the mclouth trade).
    Upton right now is not worth an Elite arm but his upside could be worth a quality arm. While he has declined the previous two years in major stats it is hard to overlook the numbers he put up at 22 and 23 in '07 and '08.

    To put it simply any trade for Upton is a risk with upside, the highest level pitcher I would offer would be J.J. Hoover but with the Rays depth in the rotation (they are looking to trade starter by all reports) I am guessing they would be looking for position players more then anything else.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    whats up with ankiel?? I have heard that the Braves did not pick up his option and I have heard that they have....does anyone know for sure? I would like to see us keep him in some aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlondon View Post
    whats up with ankiel?? I have heard that the Braves did not pick up his option and I have heard that they have....does anyone know for sure? I would like to see us keep him in some aspect.
    They didn't and I doubt they bring him back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureBaseballFan View Post
    To put it simply any trade for Upton is a risk with upside, the highest level pitcher I would offer would be J.J. Hoover but with the Rays depth in the rotation (they are looking to trade starter by all reports) I am guessing they would be looking for position players more then anything else.
    I agree with your assessment of BJU and the possiblity of a trade for him. Do you think the Rays would be looking for a prospect position player or someone more established? Any suggestions about who could fill either bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Bravos View Post
    I agree with your assessment of BJU and the possiblity of a trade for him. Do you think the Rays would be looking for a prospect position player or someone more established? Any suggestions about who could fill either bill?
    I could see them looking for a more "established" player in the OF or at 1B but considering the Braves need an OFer that really doesn't match up well. The Rays have no real need to unload Upton unless they are cutting payroll and still need to move someone after trading one of their starters.

    If they want more real prospects even then there aren't a ton of option as far as valuable prospects (not named Freeman). The Braves just aren't swimming in position prospects like a lot of times this decade, the Braves make their money developing pitching prospects with the occasional big time position prospect (McCann, Andrus, Heyward), the only guy that might draw some serious interest is Christian Bethancourt but I would prefer to see the Braves hang onto him because his value could skyrocket quickly as a catcher.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Bravos View Post
    I agree with your assessment of BJU and the possiblity of a trade for him. Do you think the Rays would be looking for a prospect position player or someone more established? Any suggestions about who could fill either bill?
    Quote Originally Posted by PureBaseballFan View Post
    I could see them looking for a more "established" player in the OF or at 1B but considering the Braves need an OFer that really doesn't match up well. The Rays have no real need to unload Upton unless they are cutting payroll and still need to move someone after trading one of their starters.

    If they want more real prospects even then there aren't a ton of option as far as valuable prospects (not named Freeman). The Braves just aren't swimming in position prospects like a lot of times this decade, the Braves make their money developing pitching prospects with the occasional big time position prospect (McCann, Andrus, Heyward), the only guy that might draw some serious interest is Christian Bethancourt but I would prefer to see the Braves hang onto him because his value could skyrocket quickly as a catcher.
    what about cory Harrilchak? he's playing pretty well in the AFL (yes, i know offensive is usually high here) and then maybe have to give up schafer too. I heard the rays were looking for elite prospect to unload upton. I just don't think he's worth it when he could end up being mclouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    what about cory Harrilchak? he's playing pretty well in the AFL (yes, i know offensive is usually high here) and then maybe have to give up schafer too. I heard the rays were looking for elite prospect to unload upton. I just don't think he's worth it when he could end up being mclouth.
    Cory could have some value but he isn't going to draw a ton of value for a few reasons.

    I don't disagree that giving up something elite for Upton is risky but at 26 and with some quality seasons in the past the potential reward could be worth it. I personally wouldn't do any trade for any Upton not named Justin and that isn't happening.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureBaseballFan View Post
    Cory could have some value but he isn't going to draw a ton of value for a few reasons.

    I don't disagree that giving up something elite for Upton is risky but at 26 and with some quality seasons in the past the potential reward could be worth it. I personally wouldn't do any trade for any Upton not named Justin and that isn't happening.
    according to bowman the braves don't have much interest in trading for upton. probably his questionable production combined with some attitude problems, being the main reasons I would guess. Also, that don't seem at all keen on trading JJ, KK looks like he might not be a lock to be traded and I don't think the braves should try and trade lowe. For two reasons, one the braves will still have to eat a good chunk of his salary and he's not gonna bring much back. Also, I think he's leadership and the way he pitched in the playoffs could be good for the remainder of his contract.

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    well, kk has been optioned to the AA team. i thought there was something in his contract about having to approve a move to the minors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    well, kk has been optioned to the AA team. i thought there was something in his contract about having to approve a move to the minors?
    No, I don't see anything about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Morosi View Post
    http://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/4581620195532800
    well, if it's true. there you go PBF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    well, if it's true. there you go PBF.
    If he is truly on the market then the Braves should do almost anything to get him.

    I would offer Jair or Minor (their choice), Arodys, Dunn or Marek, and another prospect not named Teheran or Freeman.

    Maybe they can throw in Clay Zavada if only for his awesome mustasche.

    Basically the Braves would be getting a RH version of Heyward who walks less a bit.
    Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 11-16-2010 at 01:02 PM.
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    yea, and I would rather have upton than uggla. i like an OF of mclouth, upton and heyward much better than prado/uggla, mclouth, heyward.

    edit: well, i guess not. loooks like the braves big off-season move might be over. uggla to the braves for infante and dunn. I am guessing they put prado in LF, unless chipper volunteers. can we sign juan uribe now? he would definitely fit the new team motto of terrible infield defense. we are gonna have to out hit some teams this year for sure.
    Last edited by chip&smoltz95; 11-16-2010 at 03:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chip&smoltz95 View Post
    yea, and I would rather have upton than uggla. i like an OF of mclouth, upton and heyward much better than prado/uggla, mclouth, heyward.
    Atlanta is reportedly talking to the Marlins about a trade of Omar Infante and Mike Dunn for Dan Uggla, if true then I hope the Braves do it because the price is very reasonable. Move either Uggla or Prado to LF and you greatly improve the offense of this team.

    Edit :: It is reportedly a done deal already. Insanely good deal if true, hopefully the Braves can resign him.
    Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 11-16-2010 at 03:38 PM.
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    Well, it happened. I'm so pumped to have Uggla's bat in the middle of our lineup, but at the same time those were two of my favorite players.

    I met Dunn over the summer, and he was a really nice guy. He helped out our team and even gave me an old pair of cleats that he used... I still use them in practice. I wonder if he remembers me?
    Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    Well, it happened. I'm so pumped to have Uggla's bat in the middle of our lineup, but at the same time those were two of my favorite players.

    I met Dunn over the summer, and he was a really nice guy. He helped out our team and even gave me an old pair of cleats that he used... I still use them in practice. I wonder if he remembers me?
    Sad to see them go but Dunn was expendable with both Venters and O'Flare, and while Infante was perhaps the best utility player in the league the problem is just that he was a utility player and something that can be replaced (though admittedly not as well).

    Edit :: For those wondering about how Uggla hits in Turner Field here are his numbers.

    BA .354 :: OBP .399 :: SLG .652 :: G 45 :: PA 199 :: AB 181 :: 37 R :: 64 H :: 2B 16 :: 3B 1 :: HR 12
    Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 11-16-2010 at 04:50 PM.
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