Why do I not remember posting that it was only a year ago and why didn't it show up when I did an advanced search for Braun?
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sockeye:
I can't speak to your memory , but I will say in my experience the search function for this site has left a lot to be desired for quite some time now.
Anyway, the threads will be merged.Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.
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Originally posted by Sockeye View PostRyan Braun's career projections
1868 games 729
7399 at-bats 2879
1248 runs 506
2222 hits 898
457 doubles 187
44 triples 26
440 home runs 161
1395 RBI 591
153 stolen bases 96
46 caught stealing 24
664 walks 242
1511 strikeouts 560
4089 total bases 1620
185 GDP 58
93 HBP 37
0 SH 0
56 SF 18
32 IBB 9
.300 AVG .312
.363 OBP .371
.553 SLG .563
Ryan Braun's 2011 projections
108 games 150
444 at-bats 563
81 runs 109
138 hits 187
27 doubles 38
4 triples 6
29 home runs 33
89 RBI 111
12 stolen bases 33
3 caught stealing 6
42 walks 58
92 strikeouts 93
262 total bases 336
11 GDP 9
6 HBP 5
0 SH 0
4 SF 3
2 IBB 2
.311 AVG .332
.375 OBP .397
.590 SLG .597My dream ballpark dimensions
LF: 400 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
Location....San Diego
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Through age 27
PLAYER.............R...H..2B..3B..HR..RBI..SB..CS. .BB..SO..BA..OBP..SLG..OPS..OPS+..TB..WAR
Zack Wheat......412 961 166 69 36 413 114 34 245 328 .292 .346 .417 .764 121 1373 16.8
Billy Williams....475 928 156 35 141 487 42 23 313 399 .297 .361 .504 .865 134 1577 19.7
Max Carey......616 1081 156 74 27 311 316 53 395 432 .271 .343 .368 .711 109 1466 20.3
Ryan Braun......506 898 187 26 161 531 96 24 242 560 .312 .371 .563 .933 145 1620 22.1My dream ballpark dimensions
LF: 400 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
Location....San Diego
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Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View PostHe's halfway there.
I don't think his play, as good as it is, puts him at the halfway point. I think very few players are good enough to warrant induction with ten or fewer seasons. I'm just checking a few initial candidates, and it looks like Jimmie Foxx was pretty close. Ty Cobb probably deserved induction after just seven or eight seasons. Babe Ruth was probably deserving after eight seasons if you count both pitching and batting. Willie Mays was probably a Hall of Famer after seven or eight seasons, maybe less if you give him credit for his Army year. Barry Bonds, Honus Wagner, and Rogers Hornsby are also in the ten seasons or less crowd. I'm sure there are more: Musial, Aaron, and Lajoie come to mind. This doesn't include pitchers either. However, I think it's safe to say that Braun is not in this group of players.
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Originally posted by Mr. Red View PostIn the sense that he needs ten years to become eligible?They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.
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Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View PostIn the sense that if his production over his second five years is equal to his first five, he's got a shot.
Even than I can't see Braun being deserving after only 10 years. Pujols yes, Braun no. Give Braun 13 seasons at or around his current pace and I'd put him in.My dream ballpark dimensions
LF: 400 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
Location....San Diego
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this season was a step into the right direction.
he needs to walk more though. he walks like ichiro but he is a power hitter. To me a power hitter must walk way more than 70 times a year even if prince fielder hits behind him. 58 walks is pathetic for a guy that lead the league in slugging.I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.
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Originally posted by dominik View Postthis season was a step into the right direction.
he needs to walk more though. he walks like ichiro but he is a power hitter. To me a power hitter must walk way more than 70 times a year even if prince fielder hits behind him. 58 walks is pathetic for a guy that lead the league in slugging.
The better a hitter is, then the better it is for the other team if he walks, rather than swings away. This is why the best hitters are often pitched around and intentionally walked.
As far as being halfway to the hall of fame....no. He needs to continue at his 2011 level, or have a good decline after age 32. If we give him 5 years exactly like his first 5, that puts him at age 32, with around 320 home runs, 1060 RBI, and a 145 OPS+. That is very similar to what guys like Mcgriff, Delgado, Belle, and Berkman were at the same age. None of them are likely to make the hall of fame.Last edited by willshad; 10-08-2011, 02:19 AM.
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Originally posted by willshad View PostThis is kind of bizarre logic. You want your power hitters who lead the league in slugging to walk more? Shouldn't you want them to swing the bat more? If he can bat .330 and slug .600 while swinging away, why should he stop doing so?
The better a hitter is, then the better it is for the other team if he walks, rather than swings away. This is why the best hitters are often pitched around and intentionally walked.
As far as being halfway to the hall of fame....no. He needs to continue at his 2011 level, or have a good decline after age 32. If we give him 5 years exactly like his first 5, that puts him at age 32, with around 320 home runs, 1060 RBI, and a 145 OPS+. That is very similar to what guys like Mcgriff, Delgado, Belle, and Berkman were at the same age. None of them are likely to make the hall of fame.My dream ballpark dimensions
LF: 400 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
Location....San Diego
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Originally posted by Sockeye View PostWell won't this MVP award look good on his HOF resume!
By the time Braun is on the HOF ballot, MVP awards will matter even less than they do now. Especially this kind of award, where he was not his league's best player.Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.
Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.
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