All Time Blacklist Draft

**AstrosFan** · 11-20-2010, 05:59 PM

Concept is easy. Draft a player, then blacklist one. That eliminates two players, the one you've drafted, and the one discarded that no one can touch.

Looking for 16 people to play. Draft order is randomized, will be snake style.

All players are eligible, so that means Negro Leagues and Japan Leagues as well, plus any others you can think of.

Once you have made your pick and blacklist, PM the next player. No time limit between picks, since I know people have other things to do, and a blacklist draft is especially hard on one who misses a pick. But as a courtesy to others, and to keep the draft running smoothly, please be as quick to the pick and blacklist as you can. I'll track the picks as best I can.

Roster Setup

Starting lineup:

C
1B
2B
3B
SS
LF
CF
RF

Bench:

C
3 INF (Fill three spots of your choice on 1B, 2B, 3B, or SS. No repeating. Example combo: 1B, 2B, SS.)
2 OF (any)

10 pitchers, no restrictions.

I have been tweaking this post constantly, and I apologize if I am confusing people. Fortunately, we are in the early stages of the draft, so I doubt people's lineups have been screwed up at all. I think we finally have a reasonable design for this issue, and my thanks to everyone who helped out.

**BigRon** · 11-20-2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by AstrosFan

Concept is easy. Draft a player, then blacklist one. That eliminates two players, the one you've drafted, and the one discarded that no one can touch..

Please give a couple of hypothetical examples to demonstrate how easy the concept is.

**Wade8813** · 11-26-2010, 10:49 PM

I'm in.

It means that I pick someone for my team (say Babe Ruth), and then select a player that NOBODY can have (say Ty Cobb). And then you pick a player (Joey Cora), and then a player that nobody can have (Willie Bloomquist).

16 participants seems like an AWFUL lot, especially since with each draft pick taking two players off the board, it's effectively like having 32 participants. I don't think we've ever had over 14 participants, and with that many people it took a long time. If we have 16 participants, there are going to be a LOT of players picked that many of us will never have heard of, which tends to bring down people's enthusiasm about the draft.

Are we using career stats? What requirements do we have as far as G/IP/whatever to qualify at a position?

**Wade8813** · 11-30-2010, 07:47 PM

AstrosFan - you might need to advertise this/specifically ask people who've participated in past drafts to get even a minimal number of participants (much less 16)

**Brad Harris** · 12-08-2010, 07:50 AM

GREAT concept! And (ostensibly) having to pick 400 players out of the top 800 in history will be a fun challenge!

I'm in. I dare the rest of you to join!

**Erik Bedard** · 12-08-2010, 09:06 AM

I'll do it.

**RuthMayBond** · 12-08-2010, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by AstrosFan

Concept is easy. Draft a player, then blacklist one. That eliminates two players, the one you've drafted, and the one discarded that no one can touch.

Looking for 16 people to play. Draft order is randomized, will be snake style.

All players are eligible, so that means Negro Leagues and Japan Leagues as well, plus any others you can think of.

Roster Setup

Starting lineup:

C
1B
2B
3B
SS
LF
CF
RF
DH

Starting OF is a strict LF/CF/RF, not three OF.

DH is an open slot, regardless of whether the player DHed or not.

Bench:

C
3 INF (Fill three spots of your choice on 1B, 2B, 3B, or SS. No repeating. Example combo: 1B, 2B, SS.)
2 OF (any)

10 pitchers, no restrictions.

So by the time the first round gets to the 16th player, he'll have THIRTY of the top players that he can NOT pick from.

**AstrosFan** · 12-08-2010, 01:08 PM

Good points about the number of teams. I might not be able to get around to this until later (finals), but what do you guys suggest? Eight teams? Ten? Twelve?

**John Shoemaker** · 12-09-2010, 08:14 AM

Count me in.

**AstrosFan** · 12-09-2010, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Wade8813

I'm in.

It means that I pick someone for my team (say Babe Ruth), and then select a player that NOBODY can have (say Ty Cobb). And then you pick a player (Joey Cora), and then a player that nobody can have (Willie Bloomquist).

16 participants seems like an AWFUL lot, especially since with each draft pick taking two players off the board, it's effectively like having 32 participants. I don't think we've ever had over 14 participants, and with that many people it took a long time. If we have 16 participants, there are going to be a LOT of players picked that many of us will never have heard of, which tends to bring down people's enthusiasm about the draft.

Are we using career stats? What requirements do we have as far as G/IP/whatever to qualify at a position?

Each player will qualify at one position, that which he played the most career games at. Maybe some spent significant time at other positions as well, but it's simpler this way.

I am not sure what you mean when you ask if we are using career stats.

**Brad Harris** · 12-09-2010, 11:43 AM

I would suggest 10-12 teams. That's the top 500-600 players in history being used (half of whom won't be on a roster, of course.) Makes things interesting.

**Wade8813** · 12-10-2010, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by AstrosFan

Each player will qualify at one position, that which he played the most career games at. Maybe some spent significant time at other positions as well, but it's simpler this way.

I am not sure what you mean when you ask if we are using career stats.

It sounds like from what you just said that we're going to be picking players based on their entire careers' performance, rather than a single season, or a 3/5/10 year peak, or whatever. Correct?

**AstrosFan** · 12-30-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Brad Harris

I would suggest 10-12 teams. That's the top 500-600 players in history being used (half of whom won't be on a roster, of course.) Makes things interesting.

We'll go ten. So far I have

1. Me
2. Wade8813
3. Brad Harris
4. John Shoemaker
5. Erik Bedard.
6. BigRon
7. nerfan
8. No Roids
9. RuthMayBond
10. STLCards2

Originally Posted by Wade8813

It sounds like from what you just said that we're going to be picking players based on their entire careers' performance, rather than a single season, or a 3/5/10 year peak, or whatever. Correct?

Career, because that's simplest.

**RuthMayBond** · 12-31-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by AstrosFan

BigRon and RuthMayBond posted here, but I'm not sure how interested they are.

Since almost every draft I've been in, I've been last or next-to-last, no thank you unless you guarantee me a spot in the first five.

**Wade8813** · 01-03-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by RuthMayBond

Since almost every draft I've been in, I've been last or next-to-last, no thank you unless you guarantee me a spot in the first five.

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Especially if we only have 6 participants

**RuthMayBond** · 01-03-2011, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wade8813

I wouldn't have a problem with that. Especially if we only have 6 participants

Astrosfan "We'll go ten.", give Wade a whack

**BigRon** · 01-03-2011, 07:20 PM

I'll play- count me in.

**AstrosFan** · 01-04-2011, 04:38 PM

Updated. And BigRon, welcome aboard.

**BigRon** · 01-04-2011, 05:03 PM

Tyrus4189Cobb and RuthMayBond usually are interested in something like this.

**No Roids** · 01-05-2011, 07:37 AM

Guys,
I realize I'm literally brand-new here but I think this is something I'd like to try. I've been looking for an all-time old-timers sim league to join since the last one I was in folded after the 2009 season.

I have a question and a suggestion.

The question-what game platform do you use to run the sims?

The suggestion- how about alternating the rounds of drafting and blacklisting?
This way, the owner picking 10th will only have 9 players eliminated from his list instead of 18.
Round 1- all 10 owners pick a player, Round 1A, all 10 owners (in the same draft order) blacklist a player, Round 2-draft order reversed-owners make their picks, Round 2A-blacklisting and so on.

**nerfan** · 01-05-2011, 07:39 AM

I'd be up for something like this.

**AstrosFan** · 01-05-2011, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by No Roids

Guys,
I realize I'm literally brand-new here but I think this is something I'd like to try. I've been looking for an all-time old-timers sim league to join since the last one I was in folded after the 2009 season.

I have a question and a suggestion.

The question-what game platform do you use to run the sims?

The suggestion- how about alternating the rounds of drafting and blacklisting?
This way, the owner picking 10th will only have 9 players eliminated from his list instead of 18.
Round 1- all 10 owners pick a player, Round 1A, all 10 owners (in the same draft order) blacklist a player, Round 2-draft order reversed-owners make their picks, Round 2A-blacklisting and so on.

I didn't intend to run a sim, as this is just for fun, and not a competition, but I believe other drafts have used an OOTP, though I can't remember who did it.

Interesting idea on how to run the black list, but I'm keeping the regular version because it has that fun 'stick it to your neighbor' element. Not only will you take players from everyone when you blacklist them, but you'll also nail drafters just behind you with their fingers crossed, hoping their guy falls just a little further. Think things through so you can be as evil as possible.

The draft will be snake style, and I'm going to drop a roster spot so it has an even number of rounds, meaning everyone will wind up with the same number of blacklisted players overall. Some draft spots might be more ideal than others, but that's just the way things go in fantasy sports.

I hope I can still count on you to join in, even considering my encouragement of dastardly plans.