With another wildcards it takes a lot to be out of it..................
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With another wildcards it takes a lot to be out of it..................
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The supposition by Strawman is that, had we brought back Beltran and Reyes ($56m for the next 2 years and $132m over the next 6 years), we would miraculously have seen a different result from what we've seen the past 3 years and over the entire tenure of the 3 "core" players (Beltran, Wright, Reyes). Its pure fantasy. That group did not work. It happens. It was a failed experiment. Smart GMs and people recognize it was time to move on, which is exactly what this new front office wisely did.Originally Posted by Paulypal
PS - Bay is not even in this equation so I'm not sure why he was brought up as a core player.
I agree, people are being silly and that wins and losses matter. Thats why I posted the wins and losses of the "core 3's" teams. They failed miserable. I also actually am comfortable with trading "homegrown" players in the right deal. Sure it stings at first because you get attached to certain guys but if it ends up that is was for the betterment of the team, so be it. I've even said I'd be comfortable trading Wright for the right pieces that sets them up long term.
Paulypal
Bay was brought up because he was supposed to be a core player...wasnt he? It never happened but that was the plan.
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You mean Tejada? Yeah he's missed more than half the year, but he's played pretty darned well when in the lineup!
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When Wheeler wins his first game as a Met, it may move from "not horrible" to "potentially pretty decent" - and thence upward towards good. I'm hopeful, and therefore didn't kill that deal.
Also, "the farm system is better" - how so, and what did Alderson do to bring that about? Are the guys coming up the majors his guys? Not yet. No one should ever buy these specious farm system ratings reports from some of the stats people. The Mets were supposedly last in "ranked" prospects yet are now fielding a largely farm-fed team competing for a wild card. "Experts" - ha. They don't win or lose a game.
Finally, if you think the bullpen signings this past winter weren't "ridiculous" deals - based on performance thus far - then you're not watching much New York Mets baseball! What competent GM in the world would have signed DJ freakin' Carrasco to *two years* - the guy was worth a minor league spring invite, at best! And plunking down $11.65 million on Francisco, Rauch and Ramon Ramirez - or about 12 percent of the team’s total payroll! - was pretty darned "ridiculous."
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
The Alderson Era
Do you realize how foolish you sound?
Carrasco was one of the more consistent relievers in the game - albeit not a special one. He wasn't signed for much and was a solid addition at the time. Again, hindsight bias at it's finest in your typical fallacious Strawman argument. I'm not even going to tackle your other foolish points since you don't bother to listen to any sort of reason - absolutely mind-boggling.
Paulypal
I didnt realize that Tejada was your favorite underachieving shortstop, but ok. So you have two. One in NY and one in Miami. Thats awesome. You can stay in Miami during the winter months and enjoy spring/summer here in NY.
Strawman your frustration over Reyes no longer being a Met, the Mets playing well, and Alderson in general ooze through every one of your posts. You should feel triumphant as this thread has managed to remain at the top for over a year and half despite its content. I equate this thread to the "Jersey Shore", and the Kardashian of your choice. They are popular despite themselves. Good job.
Paulypal
Some time ago someone listed all the FA relievers available. There were some slim pickings back in January. Its not like he passed up on Mariano Rivera and chose Frankie. I just love you 20/20 hingsighters.
Strawman is like watching one of the Nostradamus documentaries with the "experts". Nostradamus said "its going to rain on Tuesday". The "Expert" jumbles it up and says "well the word RAIN, and Germany both have an N in them, Tuesday and Hitler both have a T....therefore Nostradums predicted the coming of Adolf Hilter.
Probably an exaggeration on my part....but not by much. I am not sure if Straw wears glasses or contacts....but I wonder if he puts them on the back of his head also.
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Well two out of three's a pretty high % for you Pauly! Yes, I believe the Mets should have signed Reyes (and would clearly be better if they had) and yes, Alderson in general - has he retired yet? But as far as the Mets winning and contending (and perhaps over-achieving a bit), I'm all for it! Very enjoyable.
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Paulypal
Nah 2 of 3 stinks for me, but thats a moot point because I threw a perfecto!
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Well, maybe they won't contend after all. A lot of the young "stars" seem to be coming back down to earth. When you're missing the slow-footed, worst-fielding RF in baseball who's hitting .247 with very occasional power, that's clearly a sign of the overall talent level.
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Paulypal
Like I have said and we all know..the season is 162 games long. There is no hiding. With very few exceptions the better teams rise to the top. You cant "smoke and mirror" it the whole way. You cant have a statistical anamoly carry you over a season. Its not a knock on anyone..like Duda as you singled out. Its just an observation on the over all talent level.
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Write what you like but losing to a pitcher who had not started in two years is not a good example of the better teams rising to the top. Someone 13-1 was not getting by with smoke and mirrors either when he was widely considered the best pitcher for the first half.
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Let's just say what a lot of us are thinking - Sandy Alderson kinda, sorta hopes the Mets go about 1-6 in the next week so he can continue to do what he was brought in to do.
I see no movement toward improving this team in an important way this season....
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Team Veteran
He can do what he was brought in to do regardless so it's kind of ridiculous he's wants his team to drop out of contention which is tough to do with another wild card.
The team has a better record that means it's improved.
The Alderson Era
Tell me what team is aggressively hunting for players right now.
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Dodgers
Red Sox
Tigers
White Sox
Rangers
Angels
Pirates
To name a few teams linked to fair aggressive trade efforts over the last week or so...
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
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And who exactly is thinking that Alderson hopes the Mets go 1-6. Please name some names
The Alderson Era
Six out of the thirty MLB teams? Wow, the other 24 must be terrible general managers who are unwilling to help their team.
Paulypal
No its a good example of a team that got by with smoke and mirrors losing to a guy that hasnt pitched in 2 years. I never said anything about Dickey. I said the team as a whole.
Paulypal
Nobody is thinking Alderson is thinking that but you.
Curmudgeon
This is ridiculous. Maybe he doesn't want to pull a Steve Phillips?
Sometimes I wonder if you actually mean these things or if you just say them to rile people up.
Mets/Brooklyn Dodgers fan
Very funny...and very apt.
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I'm certainly glad Alderson is starting to mobilize his scouts on the major league level to consider the possible talent that's available in a methodical, leisurely fashion (as per his remarks today). The market "hasn't firmed up yet." And when it does, the Mets will be looking for bargains, according to beat reporters. Which is cool. Clearly, this bullpen can wait.
Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.
Metsistentialist Thinker
Well, see, here's the funny thing, Strawman:
Exactly zero other people besides you are thinking that just now...
BUT...
Looks like the Mets are poised to go 1-6 anyway, so hey! EVERYBODY loses...that's the Mets' motto, right?
"Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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