How many games will the Phillies Big 4 win next year?
Over and Under Wins Phillies Big 4
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Over and Under Wins Phillies Big 4
390-470.00%048-555.13%256-6425.64%1065-7023.08%971-7725.64%1078-8410.26%485 or more10.26%4The poll is expired.
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The Philadelphia Inquirer points out that the last five teams that had at least four 15-game winners in its starting rotation all failed to win the World Series: 1993 Braves, 1998 Braves, 2001 Mariners, 2003 Yankees and 2004 Cardinals.
(As did the 1971 Orioles with 4 20 game winners)
The 1973 Oakland A's crew of Catfish Hunter (21-5), Ken Holtzman (21-13) and Vida Blue (20-9) had three 20 game winners AND won the World Series. That group gave Oakland a third straight World Series championship in 1974, when Hunter won 25 games and the A's had the AL's best ERA.
And can the Phillies match the 2010 Giants for a record setting 18 straight games of allowing 3 runs or less AND being dominant in the post season.1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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I'm not so sure Roy Oswalt and Cole Hamels are threats to win 20. 15 is within their reach, though. They make for very good No. 3 and 4 starters. But it's not like the Phillie bats improved. I see them getting around 60 or so wins between them.Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
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Originally posted by KCGHOST View PostThose guys won 58 times in a combined 127 starts last year.
Out of those 127 starts, what were their teams W-L ? Bet that's another 20-30 W's.
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Roy Halladay is probably the best bet to win 20 games in the major leagues, simply because he stays in games forever and gets a lot of decisions. The rest could all win 15+, so I'll put them in the 65-70 group optimistically.Originally posted by Cougar"Read at your own risk. Baseball Fever shall not be responsible if you become clinically insane trying to make sense of this post. People under 18 must read in the presence of a parent, guardian, licensed professional, or Dr. Phil."
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostThe Giants "Big Four" will win more in 2011.
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The Phillies could probably make use of a 4 man rotation with strict pitch counts and shop Kendrick AND Blanton.Originally posted by Cougar"Read at your own risk. Baseball Fever shall not be responsible if you become clinically insane trying to make sense of this post. People under 18 must read in the presence of a parent, guardian, licensed professional, or Dr. Phil."
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I will say you can't over emphasize enough the stability a solid starting pitching staff brings to a team, I may not be La Russa's biggest fan but he has done this many times, trading a gold glove caliber SS (Alfredo Griiffin) to get another quality starter - Bob Welch and he had some guys in Chicago he could roll out and of course has had some great starters in St. Louis
I think a team relaxes and feels better (and is not so amped to try and win a game by themselves) when they know a quality arm will go out there every start. It just is good for a long 162 game season.
With that said, the Phillies have pretty much made Hamels go from their #1 pitcher during a 2008 world championship year to their #4 starter and that says a lot
Let me do a guestimate based on BEST CASE scenario
Halladay 23 wins
Lee 19 wins
Oswalt 19 wins
Hamels 16 wins
total 77 wins
that is assuming they all make the "normal" amount of starts over a full year
now lets do a worse case scenario (Still based on a full season of starts)
Halladay 17 wins
Lee 14 wins
Oswaldt 14 wins
Hamels 12 wins
total 57 wins
so the "average" of the best and worse case would be 67 wins
but I think the Phillies are gonna have a little chip on their shoulder for letting the Giants get the best of them and if anything, they can;t have all the injuries they had last year and as I recall they played pretty damn good ball (like 34-8) once Utley and Rollins etc returned
I am going to lean closer to the 77 best case wins and go with 731. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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Giants vs Phillies in 2011 should be fun to watch. It will be even more fun if they meet again in the postseason.Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-15-2010, 03:14 PM.Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostGiants vs Phillies in 2011 should be fun to watch. It will be even more fun if they meet again in the postseason.
overall I think the phillie pitching next year won't be much better than the giants pitching if at all. they might have a slight advantage ith their starters, but the giants bullpen is really lights out.I now have my own non commercial blog about training for batspeed and power using my training experience in baseball and track and field.
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halladay goes 24-7
lee goes 20-8
oswalt goes 18-10
hamels goes 15-10
they go 77-35
but the other starters will go like 5-30 and there will be blown saves as expected
that lineup sucks if a certain slugging 1st basemen and 2nd basemen get hurt again
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Everyone over at ESPN Baseball is going ga-ga over the Phillies four starters with headlines like:
"Lee: Phillies' loaded rotation 'can be historic"
"Best rotation in 40 years?"
Obviously, the front four are all really good pitchers. But one of the greatest, historic staffs in decades? Seriously? Will they even be better than the 2011 Giants staff? In 2010 the Giants pitching led the National League in IP, fewest hits allowed, ERA, ERA+, strikeouts, K/9, and H/9. They were second in runs allowed (just two more than the Padres). Yet, no one is calling the Giants staff a "historic" staff. And the Giants bullpen is better than the Phillies bullpen. Somehow adding Lee to the Phillies will take from being a good pitching staff to "historic"?Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostEveryone over at ESPN Baseball is going ga-ga over the Phillies four starters with headlines like:
"Lee: Phillies' loaded rotation 'can be historic"
"Best rotation in 40 years?"
Obviously, the front four are all really good pitchers. But one of the greatest, historic staffs in decades? Seriously? Will they even be better than the 2011 Giants staff? In 2010 the Giants pitching led the National League in IP, fewest hits allowed, ERA, ERA+, strikeouts, K/9, and H/9. They were second in runs allowed (just two more than the Padres). Yet, no one is calling the Giants staff a "historic" staff. And the Giants bullpen is better than the Phillies bullpen. Somehow adding Lee to the Phillies will take from being a good pitching staff to "historic"?46 wins to match last year's total
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