Over and Under Wins Phillies Big 4
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1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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The 2011 Giants have at least a 25% chance of being better than the Phillies. Age is on their side, as their top 4 have ages of 26, 27, 28, and 21. Lincecum had a DOWN year last year. Bumgarner can only get better. Sanchez is an area of question for me, though.Originally posted by Cougar"Read at your own risk. Baseball Fever shall not be responsible if you become clinically insane trying to make sense of this post. People under 18 must read in the presence of a parent, guardian, licensed professional, or Dr. Phil."
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Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View PostEveryone over at ESPN Baseball is going ga-ga over the Phillies four starters with headlines like:
"Lee: Phillies' loaded rotation 'can be historic"
"Best rotation in 40 years?"
Obviously, the front four are all really good pitchers. But one of the greatest, historic staffs in decades? Seriously? Will they even be better than the 2011 Giants staff? In 2010 the Giants pitching led the National League in IP, fewest hits allowed, ERA, ERA+, strikeouts, K/9, and H/9. They were second in runs allowed (just two more than the Padres). Yet, no one is calling the Giants staff a "historic" staff. And the Giants bullpen is better than the Phillies bullpen. Somehow adding Lee to the Phillies will take from being a good pitching staff to "historic"?
Replace Kendricks 4.73 era and 1.37 whip with Oswalts 2.76 era and 1.025 whip......then replace Moyers 4.84 era and 3.15 k/BB with Lee's 3.39 and 7.40 k/BB ( 2009 NL Stats )
and slot Cole Hamels in the # 4 rotation slot and there will be a different set of overall staff numbers.
All 4 of these guys go deep into games, not the typical 5 innings Kendrick and Moyer did. This will eliminate a lot of middle relief problems the Phils had last season.
Madson is an excellent 8th inning guy, 2.55 era/1.038 whip, and Lidge, once He returned from his early season DL injuries, settled into a decent year, 2.96/1.22
They may not be ' Historic" but if they pitch to their norm, will be top 2 in the league with the Giants.
With Kendrick and Moyer in the rotation last year they were not far off from the Giants.
ERA of 3.60 for SF and 3.67 for Phils, whip of 1.299 for SF and 1.38 Phils, k/9 6.77 SF to 6.58 Phils....BB SF - 578 Phils 416.
Both staffs will be top of the line if both stay healthy.
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and in those 12 starts, Oswalt had a 1.82 ERA, I bet he doesnt come close to that over a full season
and the Giants only had Bumgarner for 18 starts and he replaced a guy with a 5.88 ERA (Wellemeyer)
plus the Phillies gave up significantly more Hits (1402 to 1279) and HR (168 to 134) than the Giants and had significantly less K (1183 to 1331)
the ages of the Giants main 5 last year was 20, 25, 26, 27 and 32 (average 26)
the 5 the Phillies should roll out will be 27, 30, 32, 33 and 34, 4 of the 5 over 30 and the youngest one at 27 (average age 31)
experience is good, but youth and youthful arms can't be taken for granted
the Phillies pitchers will be more suceptible to injury and longer recoveries
I am hoping they have no injuries
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not sure if the 3.60 only applies to starters as the Giants had a 3.36 ERA (3.20 for the entire second half) ?? and 3.36 is significantly better than 3.68Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 12-15-2010, 06:46 PM.1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Postmlb.com had the 1993 staff as the best rotation
Again, I prefer 1997 or 1998.46 wins to match last year's total
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I Like Avery over Neagle despite any stats they put up (personal preference)
Avery threw hard Neagle was a junk baller1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View PostI Like Avery over Neagle despite any stats they put up (personal preference)
Avery threw hard Neagle was a junk ballerOriginally posted by Cougar"Read at your own risk. Baseball Fever shall not be responsible if you become clinically insane trying to make sense of this post. People under 18 must read in the presence of a parent, guardian, licensed professional, or Dr. Phil."
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neagle was not in their league
124 wins and a career 4.24 era
Originally posted by nerfan View PostMaddux and Glavine were also junkballers. Their fastballs topped out around 88. Maddux might have thrown a bit harder.1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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follow the thread
I chose Avery over Neagle the other three were the same
I said I like Avery's fast ball vs Neagles junk
the other poster said Maddux and glavine were junkballers too
I said neagle may throw similar pitches to the hall of famers he aint in their league
it goes back to neagle vs avery
i prefer avery
pretty easy to follow point if you follow the thread
and espn and mlb network both prefer the 1993 braves starters
Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View PostAvery wasn't in their league either; 96 career wins and a 4.19 ERA. What's your point?1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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It seems in any sport, whenever a 'dream team' of stars is assembled for an entire season, it always ends up in disappointment. Remember when Belle and Thomas were supposed to be the next Ruth and Gehrig? Remember a few years back the Tigers were supposed to break the record for runs scored? Remember the Lakers had Kobe, Shaq, Malone, and Payton? The problem, is we tend to think best case scenerio, and assume all the guys will match the best season the ever had. Off seasons happen. Injuries happen. Three of thesee guys are 30+ years old, and Halladay has pitched a ton of innings every year. The odds are that at least one of them, probably two, will have an off year ( did Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz ever all have great full seasons in the same year?)
That said, I like Oswalt the best out of the three; he is a safe bet to win 20, perhaps 25. Halladay I see getting hurt, and Lee I think will fall off a cliff. Hammels has great potential and could surprise by being the second best of the three. I think am guessing around 65 wins between the three.
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Originally posted by nerfan View PostThe 2011 Giants have at least a 25% chance of being better than the Phillies. Age is on their side, as their top 4 have ages of 26, 27, 28, and 21. Lincecum had a DOWN year last year. Bumgarner can only get better. Sanchez is an area of question for me, though.Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-15-2010, 11:26 PM.Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis
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You think Oswalt is going to have a 1.82 ERA over a full season??
I dont
Originally posted by willshad View PostI don't think Oswalt needs the Phillies bats to improve in order to win 20. He was 7-1 in about a third of the season with them last year.1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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