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    Cooperstown versus the Best of Baseball through 1989

    Now that we've finished the 1980's, it's time for another review of how the Best of Baseball project is stacking up against Cooperstown.

    I'm not going to do contributors comparisons any more, as we're taking on more candidates than they did.

    Let's start with the players both projects agree on:
    Code:
    Hank Aaron 
    Pete Alexander
    Cap Anson
    Luke Appling
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker
    Ernie Banks
    Bell, Cool Papa
    Yogi Berra
    Lou Boudreau
    Dan Brouthers
    Mordecai Brown
    Roy Campanella
    Max Carey
    Oscar Charleston
    Fred Clarke
    John Clarkson
    Roberto Clemente
    Ty Cobb
    Mickey Cochrane
    Eddie Collins
    Jimmy Collins
    Roger Connor
    Stan Coveleski
    Sam Crawford
    Joe Cronin
    Dizzy Dean
    Ed Delahanty
    Bill Dickey
    Martin Dihigo
    Joe DiMaggio
    Don Drysdale
    Buck Ewing
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford
    Jimmie Foxx
    Frankie Frisch
    Pud Galvin
    Lou Gehrig
    Charlie Gehringer
    Bob Gibson
    Josh Gibson
    Goose Goslin
    Hank Greenberg
    Lefty Grove
    Billy Hamilton
    Gabby Hartnett
    Harry Heilmann
    Billy Herman
    Rogers Hornsby
    Carl Hubbell
    Monte Irvin
    Walter Johnson
    Al Kaline
    Tim Keefe
    Willie Keeler
    King Kelly
    Harmon Killebrew
    Ralph Kiner
    Sandy Koufax
    Nap LaJoie
    Buck Leonard
    Pop Lloyd
    Ted Lyons
    Mickey Mantle
    Juan Marichal
    Eddie Mathews
    Christy Mathewson
    Willie Mays
    Willie McCovey
    Joe McGinnity
    Joe Medwick
    Johnny Mize
    Joe Morgan
    Stan Musial
    Kid Nichols
    Phil Niekro
    Jim O'Rourke
    Mel Ott
    Satchel Paige
    Eddie Plank
    Charlie Radbourn
    Pee Wee Reese
    Robin Roberts
    Brooks Robinson
    Frank Robinson
    Jackie Robinson
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth
    Al Simmons
    George Sisler
    Enos Slaughter
    Duke Snider
    Warren Spahn
    Tris Speaker
    Willie Stargell
    Bill Terry
    Sam Thompson 
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance
    Arky Vaughan
    Rube Waddell
    Honus Wagner
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh
    Paul Waner
    John M. Ward 
    Zack Wheat
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Billy Williams
    Ted Williams
    George Wright*
    Early Wynn 
    Carl Yastrzemski
    Cy Young
    Wright gets an asterisk, as he's in Cooperstown as a Pioneer, while he's in BOB as a player. Frank Chance is in BOB as a Contributor, but in Cooperstown as a player.
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    Here are the Negro Leaguers we've inducted into Best of Baseball, but are not yet in Cooperstown (with years of induction in Cooperstown)

    Code:
    Brown, Ray (2006)
    Willie Foster (96)
    Frank Grant (2006)
    Pete Hill (2006)
    Biz Mackey (2006)
    Bullet Joe Rogan (98)
    Louis Santop (2006)
    Turkey Stearnes (2000)
    Mule Suttles (2006)
    Cristobal Torriente (2006)
    Willie Wells (97)
    Joe Williams (99)
    Jud Wilson (2006)
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    Here are the guys we inducted into Best of Baseball, but were inducted into Cooperstown after 1989 (with year of induction):

    Code:
    Richie Ashburn (95)
    Jim Bunning (96)
    George Davis (98)
    Larry Doby (98)
    Bobby Doerr (86)
    Nellie Fox (96)
    Joe Gordon (2009)
    Ferguson Jenkins (91)
    Bid McPhee (2000)
    Hal Newhouser (92)
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    Here are the players we've inducted into Best of Baseball, but are still waiting for that honor from Cooperstown:
    Code:
    Dick Allen
    Ross Barnes
    John Beckwith
    Charlie Bennett
    Ken Boyer
    Bob Caruthers
    Bill Dahlen
    Wes Ferrell
    Jack Glasscock
    George Gore
    Heinie Groh
    Stan Hack
    Paul Hines
    Joe Jackson
    Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    Sherry Magee
    Minnie Minoso
    Pete Rose
    Ron Santo
    Joe Start
    Harry Stovey
    Ezra Sutton
    Deacon White
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    We've inducted a few players from Japan in BOB:

    Code:
    Akira Bessho
    Isao Harimoto
    Kazuhisa Inao
    Masaichi Kaneda
    Shgieo Nagashima
    Katsuya Nomura
    Sadaharu Oh
    Victor Starffin
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    Here are the players Cooperstown honored by 1989, but haven't yet been inducted into Best of Baseball:
    Code:
    Luis Aparicio
    Dave Bancroft
    Jake Beckley
    Johnny Bench
    Chief Bender
    Jim Bottomley
    Roger Bresnahan
    Lou Brock
    Jack Chesbro
    Earle Combs
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    Hugh Duffy
    Johnny Evers
    Rick Ferrell
    Lefty Gomez
    Burleigh Grimes
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Harry Hooper
    Waite Hoyt
    Catfish Hunter
    Travis Jackson
    Hughie Jennings
    Judy Johnson
    Addie Joss
    George Kell 
    Joe Kelley
    George Kelly
    Chuck Klein
    Bob Lemon
    Fred Lindstrom
    Ernie Lombardi
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Rube Marquard
    Tommy McCarthy
    Herb Pennock
    Sam Rice
    Eppa Rixey
    Edd Roush
    Ray Schalk
    Red Schoendienst
    Joe Sewell
    Joe Tinker
    Lloyd Waner
    Mickey Welch
    Hack Wilson
    Ross Youngs
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    A refinement on my comparison to Cooperstown which allows for the differences in eligiblity rules:

    Inducted in Cooperstown at least 10 years before Best of Baseball:
    Code:
    Year	NBBHOF Players	yr in BOB
    1939	Keeler, Willie	58
    1939	Radbourn, Charlie	56
    1939	Sisler, George	51
    1946	McGinnity, Joe	70
    1946	Waddell, Rube	57
    1948	Traynor, Pie	60
    1955	Terry, Bill...	69
    1964	Faber, Red	79
    Inducted into Best of Baseball at least 10 years before Cooperstown (note: Negro Leaguers don't count against Cooperstown in this accounting until 1990 to somewhat allow for the difference in rules on those players, and those that do count under this rule appear in red)

    Code:
    Year	BOB Players	yr in Coop
    1937	Crawford, Sam	57
    1937	Nichols, Kid	49
    1938	Baker, Frank	55
    1938	Connor, Roger	76
    1939	Davis, George	98
    1939	Hamilton, Billy	61
    1939	Torriente, C	2006
    1940	Clarkson, John	63
    1940	Heilmann, Harry	52
    1942	Keefe, Tim	64
    1944	Amos Rusie	77
    1944	Louis Santop	2006
    1945	John M. Ward	64
    1946	Turkey Stearnes	2000
    1946	Mule Suttles	2006
    1947	Goose Goslin	68
    1950	Jud Wilson	2006
    1950	Luke Appling	64
    1954	Arky Vaughan	85
    1955	Ray Brown..	2006
    1958	Billy Herman	75
    1958	Johnny Mize	81
    1960	Bid McPhee	2000
    1961	Biz Mackey	2006
    1962	Enos Slaughter	85
    1963	Pee Wee Reese	84
    1967	Hal Newhouser	92
    1967	Joe Gordon	2009
    1968	Bobby Doerr	1986
    1968	Pete Hill.....	2006
    1969	Larry Doby	1998
    1972	Richie Ashburn	1995
    1973	Hoyt Wilhelm	1984
    1977	Jim Bunning	1995
    1978	Nellie Fox	1996
    Even without the Negro Leaguers, I like our choices over Cooperstown's in this measure.

    I figured that since the first Negro League committee ended its work in 1977, it was reasonable to hold Cooperstown's feet to the fire on Negro Leaguers selected after 1990.
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    To be honest, I don't see any mistakes or egregious oversights on our part. With a quick glance at the list in #6, I see six or seven players that I would like to see selected by this project, but I don't see any as 'no doubt' types - and most have garnered a fair share of support, behind mostly superior candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
    To be honest, I don't see any mistakes or egregious oversights on our part. With a quick glance at the list in #6, I see six or seven players that I would like to see selected by this project, but I don't see any as 'no doubt' types - and most have garnered a fair share of support, behind mostly superior candidates.
    Yeah, given that Bench isn't eligible in our project until 1992.
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    I expect Bench to sail in with relative ease. It would take a veritable juggernaut to knock him from the first spot on my ballot.

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