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    BBF Twins Hall of Fame

    NOTE: The Yankees First Round Election is still open and will close on Saturday, February 5, 2011, at 11:00 a.m.

    This election will close on Tuesday, February 8, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    MINNESOTA TWINS
    This election will end on Tuesday, February 8, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Washington Senators (1901-1960)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1924, 1987, 1991)
    - Pennants: 6 (1924, 1925, 1933, 1965, 1987, 1991)
    - Division Titles: 10 (1969, 1970, 1987, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (8): Joe Mauer (2009), Justin Morneau (2006), Rod Carew (1977), Harmon Killebrew (1969), Zolio Versalles (1965), Roger Peckinpaugh (1925), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1913)

    - Cy Young Recipients (4): Johan Santana (2006), Johan Santana (2004), Frank Viola (1988), Jim Perry (1970)

    - RoY Recipients (7): Marty Cordova (1995), Chuck Knoblauch (1991), John Castino (1979), Rod Carew (1967), Tony Oliva (1964), Bob Allison (1959), Albie Pearson (1958)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (4): Johan Santana (2006), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1918), Walter Johnson (1913)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Harmon Killebrew	13
    2	Rod Carew		12
    3	Kirby Puckett		10
    4	Tony Oliva		8
    5	Camilo Pascual		7
    t6	Earl Battey		5
    t6	Mickey Vernon		5
    t8	George Case		4
    t8	Rick Ferrell		4
    t8	Chuck Knoblauch		4
    t8	Dutch Leonard		4
    t8	Joe Mauer*		4
    t8	Justin Morneau*		4
    t8	Joe Nathan*		4
    t8	Roy Sievers		4
    t8	Stan Spence		4
    t17	Rick Aguilera		3
    t17	Bob Allison		3
    t17	Johan Santana*		3
    t17	Cecil Travis		3
    t21	Joe Cronin		2
    t21	Gary Gaetti		2
    t21	Eddie Guardado		2
    t21	Jimmie Hall		2
    t21	Sid Hudson		2
    t21	Torii Hunter		2
    t21	Jim Kaat		2
    t21	Jim Lemon		2
    t21	Buddy Lewis		2
    t21	Walt Masterson		2
    t21	Buddy Myer		2
    t21	Jim Perry		2
    t21	Rich Rollins		2
    t21	Zolio Versalles		2
    t21	Butch Wynegar		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Ossie Bluege		772		.488
    Joe Cantillon		465		.490
    Joe Cronin		308		.543			1
    Chuck Dressen		329		.354
    Ron Gardenhire*		1459		.550					6
    Billy Gardner		621		.432
    Clark Griffith		1364		.518
    Bucky Harris		2776		.485	1		2
    Walter Johnson		617		.570
    Tom Kelly		2386		.478	2		2		2
    Joe Kuhel		308		.345
    Cookie Lavagetto	657		.414
    Gene Mauch		772		.490
    Jimmy McAleer		311		.426
    Sam Mele		963		.546			1
    Frank Quilici		568		.494
    Bill Rigney		392		.531					1
    Jake Stahl		305		.395	
    
    * Current manager

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    Players
    Rick Aguilera
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Brad Radke
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon

    Others in consideration: Bob Allison, Earl Battey, Joe Judge, Chuck Knoblauch, Dutch Leonard, Heinie Manush, Firpo Marberry, Clyde Milan, Camilo Pascual, Jim Perry, Roy Sievers, Roy Smalley, Stan Spence, Cecil Travis, Zolio Versalles, Frank Viola, Eddie Yost

    Contributors
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

    Harris is like the Twins version of Charlie Grimm. A decent player for several years followed by a long managerial run (including a WS title and 2 pennants). It worked for Grimm with the Cubs, though it didn't work with the better in every respect Red Shoendienst with the Cardinals (thus far, I consider Schoendienst the most glaring omission by any team in this project).

    Ron Gardenhire will probably get some votes, and though he may be the best manager in the game over the last five years or so, I feel it's too early to honor him like this.

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    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Brad Radke
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola

    Contributors
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan

    Edit: Evidently I'm about ten years behind, MacPhail hasnt worked for the Cubs since 02, so he's in and Cal Griffith is out.

    The Twins have their own Hall of Fame but it ignores their history as the Washington Senators http://http://minnesota.twins.mlb.co..._of_famers.jsp so if anyone is stuck they can use this as a resource too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadHatter View Post
    Ossie Bluege
    Joe Cronin
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    I don't want to be nitpicky, but does Cronin really better fit as a contributor here than a player? He was a player/manager for just two seasons with the club, and while they won the pennant one season, they finished next to last the other.

    I really urge people to place an individual in the more appropriate category. Sometimes it won't always be clear, with Red Schoendienst being the best example. In those instances, use your best judgment. But in a case like this, unelss I'm missing something there really isn't much to support Cronin being in the contributors section rather than the players section (maybe with the Red Sox). The contributors section should not be used as a means to squeeze an extra player on the ballot by shifting a player over to the contributors section that doesn't really belong there.

    EDIT: Also, current players are not eligible, so please replace Mauer when you get a chance.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 02-03-2011 at 01:52 PM.

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    Players

    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Heinie Manush
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola


    Contributors

    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

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    Players (15)
    Rick Aguilera
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Rick Ferrell
    Goose Goslin
    Walter Johnson
    Joe Judge
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Firpo Marberry
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby PUckett
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola

    Contributors (5)
    Ossie Bluege
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Andy MacPhail
    Last edited by Ace Venom; 02-01-2011 at 03:09 PM.
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    Players:

    Rick Aguilera
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Tony Oliva
    Camilo Pascual
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice
    Roy Sievers
    Mickey Vernon

    Contributors:

    Ossie Bluege (50 years with the organization wearing many hats; I'm surprised more people aren't voting for him)
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

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    Bob Allison
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    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Joe Judge
    Harmon Killebrew
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Brad Radke
    Sam Rice
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    Walter Johnson
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    Harmon Killebrew
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Camilo Pascual
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

    I'm curious as to why more people aren't voting for Ossie Bluege - especially those who are submitting four-name contributor ballots. He was with the teams for fifty or so years as a player, manager, farm director (discovering Harmon Killebrew), comptroller, and more...

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    Sam Rice

    Contributors
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan

    I'll listen to how much success Bluege had. He wasn't much of a player, and he needs something more for me than longevity with the organization. As for the players, I have the following people I'd vote for who are not yet eligible:

    Joe Mauer
    Johan Santana
    Justin Morneau

    I have these (in approximate order) in my current queue:
    Clyde Milan
    Kent Hrbek
    Frank Viola
    Cecil Travis
    Dave Goltz
    Cesar Tovar
    Eddie Yost
    Mickey Vernon
    Stan Spence
    Dutch (Emil) Leonard
    Corey Koskie
    Buddy Lewis
    Gary Gaetti
    Firpo Marberry
    Jim Kaat
    Heinie Manush
    Jim Perry
    Earl Battey
    Joe Nathan
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    Players:
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    Walter Johnson
    Tony Oliva
    Frank Viola
    Brad Radke
    Jim Perry
    Dutch Leonard
    Sam Rice
    Goose Goslin
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Eddie Yost
    Contributers:
    Tom Kelly
    Bucky Harris
    Clark Griffith
    Terry Ryan
    Herb Carneal(Sportscaster for the Twins from 1962 to 2006)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    I'll listen to how much success Bluege had. He wasn't much of a player, and he needs something more for me than longevity with the organization.
    As a player, he was a very good defender at third base (when it was a more difficult position) - he accumulated 8+ dWAR. He was a starter on the Senators lone WS winner, and he made an All-Star game. Not a terrific resume, to be sure, but it's a start.

    He was a coach for three years after retiring, then managed the team for five years. His teams were 379-394, finishing second in the league twice. He won Manager of the Year in 1945. While this may not be impressive at face value, it's comparatively solid for a team like the Senators.

    After managing, he was the director of the team's farm system for a decade. He signed (and discovered, based on some sources) Harmon Killebrew.

    After managing the system, Bluege became the team's comptroller for nearly fifteen years, overseeing the team's finances and the like. This bridged the gap between Washington and Minnesota. So far as I can tell, the team did well financially under Bluege's watch - I don't have much of a basis for comparison, though.

    In the end, Bluege did a great deal of good for the Senators/Twins. He was a decent player, a fine manager and coach, and did a solid job with the team's finances for fifteen years. Fifty years of fine service seems like a fine resume to me.

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    Ah yes... the Senators / Twins... by position on your scorecard:

    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Firpo Marberry
    Kent Hrbek
    Rod Carew
    Buddy Myer
    Harmon Killebrew
    Eddie Yost
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kirby Puckett
    Clyde Milan
    Sam Rice
    Tony Oliva
    Bob Allison

    ------------------

    Tom Kelly
    Bucky Harris
    Clark Griffith
    Ossie Bluege
    Herb Carneal
    Your Second Base Coach
    That number "WAR" does NOT measure wins above replacement. I am not sure what it measures, but it sure isn't the value between a player and his back-up. The final number certainly does not measure what the name suggests.
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    Players:
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Joe Judge
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Clyde Milan
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon
    Eddie Yost


    Contributors:
    Ossie Bluege
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

  16. #16
    Players
    bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Camilo Pascual
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

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    It's tough to pass over Greg Gagne and tempting to call Joe Cronin another "contributor" in order to make space for him or another infielder. The number of good Team Hall of Fame candidates is remarkable considering the storied history of losing, partly because the stories are much exaggerated. The Washington Senators were a perennial loser only in the 1900s and 1950s.
    ... Gagne and Cecil Travis will be automatic in round two. Probably I will pass on the other notable shortstops George McBride, Roger Peckinpaugh, and Zoilo Versalles.

    What about the forebears of Joe Mauer: Muddy Ruel, Rick Ferrell, Earl Battey? Before round two I hope to look over all the rosters with an eye open to see how many catchers we have recognized anywhere. They deserve recognition of reduced playing time that is normal for their role, but I don't yet know how much.


    Players
    Walter Johnson
    Clyde Milan
    Sam Rice
    Joe Judge
    Goose Goslin
    Buddy Myer (debuted 1925-09-26, played four games in season and three in the World Series!)
    Joe Cronin
    Mickey Vernon
    Bob Allison
    Harmon Killebrew
    Jim Kaat
    Tony Oliva
    Rod Carew
    Kent Hrbek
    Kirby Puckett

    Clyde Milan and Mickey Vernon missed all the pennants and most of the contending teams but accomplished enough to overcome that in round one. Others who missed the heydays --E. Dutch Leonard, Cecil Travis, Buddy Lewis, Eddie Yost, Roy Sievers, Camilo Pascual, Bert Blyleven, Brad Radke-- must wait with Firpo Marberry, Heinie Manush, Jim Perry, Frank Viola, Gary Gaetti, Greg Gagne, Chuck Knoblauch --and current manager Ron Gardenhire.

    Contributors
    Ban Johnson
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Ossie Bluege
    Tom Kelly
    Last edited by Paul Wendt; 02-03-2011 at 12:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Wendt View Post
    What about the forebears of Joe Mauer: Muddy Ruel, Rick Ferrell, Earl Battey? Before round two I hope to look over all the rosters with an eye open to see how many catchers we have recognized anywhere. They deserve recognition of reduced playing time that is normal for their role, but I don't yet know how much.
    I was recently thinking about general catcher representation as well. We've so far completed one election for 9 franchises and have elected 6 catchers in total (Johnny Bench, Roy Campanella, Mickey Cochrane, Gabby Hartnett, Mike Piazza, Ted Simmons). After the Yankees are done this week, we'll add at least and possibly three more (Yogi Berra, Bill Dickey, and maybe Thurman Munson), so that will be 9 for 10 franchises.

  19. #19
    I don't think that's far out of line. Pitchers you would expect to be represented by more than one-ninth of the total, because they represent at least a third of a team's regulars at a given time. That leaves at most ten to twelve spots on average for the positions, and I would guess a little less than that, so an average of just under one per team for the catchers seems perhaps a bit low, but not terribly so.

  20. #20
    Players (15)
    bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Joe Judge
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Brad Radke
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon

    Contributors (5)
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan

    Radke should get some love. He's 4th in wins, 5th in SO, 3rd in WAR, 5th in IP and 3rd in game started.

  21. #21
    This election is over, here are the results:

    Elected Players (15 ballots submitted, 12 votes required for election)
    Rod Carew - 100% (15 votes)
    Goose Goslin - 100% (15 votes)
    Walter Johnson - 100% (15 votes)
    Harmon Killebrew - 100% (15 votes)
    Tony Oliva - 100% (15 votes)
    Kirby Puckett - 100% (15 votes)
    Sam Rice - 93.33% (14 votes)
    Bert Blyleven - 86.67% (13 votes)
    Jim Kaat - 86.67% (13 votes)
    Kent Hrbek - 80.00% (12 votes)

    Elected Contributors (14 ballots submitted, 11 votes required for election)
    Clark Griffith - 100% (14 votes)
    Bucky Harris - 100% (14 votes)
    Tom Kelly - 100% (14 votes)


    Other Players Receiving Support
    Joe Cronin - 73.33% (11 votes, 10 player + 1 contributor)
    Mickey Vernon - 66.67% (10 votes)
    Buddy Myer - 60.00% (9 votes)
    Joe Judge - 46.67% (7 votes)
    Brad Radke - 40.00% (6votes)
    Rick Aguilera - 33.33% (5 votes)
    Chuck Knoblauch - 33.33% (5 votes)
    Frank Viola - 33.33% (5 votes)
    Bob Allison - 26.67% (4 votes)
    Camilo Pascual - 26.67% (4 votes)
    Clyde Milan - 20.00% (3 votes)
    Firpo Marberry - 13.33% (2 votes)
    Roy Sievers - 13.33% (2 votes)
    Earl Battey - 6.67% (1 vote)
    Rick Ferrell - 6.67% (1 vote)
    Gary Gaetti - 6.67% (1 vote)
    Dutch Leonard - 6.67% (1 vote)
    Heinie Manush - 6.67% (1 vote)
    Jim Perry - 6.67% (1 vote)

    Other Contributors Receiving Support
    Terry Ryan - 71.43% (9 votes)
    Ossie Bluege - 57.14% (8 votes)
    Andy MacPhail - 28.57% (4 votes)
    Herb Carneal - 14.26% (2 votes)
    Ban Johnson - 7.14% (1 vote)

  22. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Wendt View Post
    It's tough to pass over Greg Gagne and tempting to call Joe Cronin another "contributor" in order to make space for him or another infielder. The number of good Team Hall of Fame candidates is remarkable considering the storied history of losing, partly because the stories are much exaggerated. The Washington Senators were a perennial loser only in the 1900s and 1950s.
    ... Gagne and Cecil Travis will be automatic in round two. Probably I will pass on the other notable shortstops George McBride, Roger Peckinpaugh, and Zoilo Versalles.
    (Gagne and Travis, automatic votes for me, I mean.)

    I'm not surprised that only ten were elected. Another cause of this team's remarkable number of strong candidates may be that it retained for several seasons a large share of regular players on its strong teams. I don't yet have the perspective to say that with any confidence, but it's clear that the Senators/Twins were not the epitome of roster "churning".

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