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    BBF Angels Hall of Fame - Round One

    IMPORTANT REMINDERS:
    - Ballot size remains the same for expansion era teams (i.e. up to 15 players and 5 contributors).
    - There must be at least 8 ballots cast in order for election to count.
    - Currently active players are not eligible.
    - The Rangers First Round Election is currently open and will end on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, at 4:00 p.m.

    This election will close on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, at 12:00 p.m.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHEIM
    This election will end on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, at 12:00 p.m.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1961 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Los Angeles Angels (1961-1964), California Angels (1965-1996), Anaheim Angels (1997-2004)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 1 (2002)
    - Pennants: 1 (2002)
    - Division Titles: 8 (1979, 1982, 1986, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
    - Wild Card Berths: 1 (2002)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (2): Vladimir Guerrero (2004), Don Baylor (1979)

    - Cy Young Recipients (2): Bartolo Colon (2005), Dean Chance (1964)

    - RoY Recipients (1): Tim Salmon (1993)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    t1	Rod Carew		6
    t1	Jim Fregosi		6
    3	Nolan Ryan		5
    t4	Chuck Finley		4
    t4	Vladimir Guerrero*	4
    t4	Troy Percival		4
    t7	Garrett Anderson	3
    t7	Troy Glaus*		3
    t7	Bobby Grich		3
    t7	Reggie Jackson		3
    t7	Mark Langston		3
    t7	Fred Lynn		3
    t7	Ken McBride		3
    t7	Francisco Rodriguez*	3
    t7	Frank Tanana		3
    t7	Leon Wagner		3
    t17	Dave Chalk		2
    t17	Darin Erstad		2
    t17	Torii Hunter*		2
    t17	Billy Moran		2
    t17	Lee Thomas		2
    t17	Mike Witt		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Collins^		457		.481
    Jim Fregosi		486		.488					1
    Marcel Lachemann	331		.486
    Gene Mauch		711		.533					2
    John McNamara		352		.457
    Lefty Phillips		448		.497
    Doug Rader		448		.518
    Bill Rigney		1333		.469
    Buck Rodgers		313		.447
    Mike Scioscia*		1782		.550	1		1		5		1
    Dick Williams		341		.431
    
    * Team’s current manager
    ^ Currently managing another team
    Last edited by DoubleX; 03-09-2011 at 07:24 AM.

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    Players
    Garret Anderson
    Rod Carew
    Chili Davis
    Brian Downing
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Wally Joyner
    Troy Percival
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Contributors
    Gene Autrey
    Gene Mauch
    Mike Scioscia
    Bill Stoneman
    Last edited by DoubleX; 03-02-2011 at 03:51 PM.

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    Players:

    Jim Abbott
    Garrett Anderson
    Rod Carew
    Bob Boone
    Doug DeCinces
    Brian Downing
    Jim Edmonds
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Wally Joyner
    Mark Langston
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Contributors:

    Buzzie Bavasi
    Dick Enberg
    Gene Mauch
    Mike Scioscia
    Bill Stoneman

    Contributor queue:

    Gene Autrey

    Lots of important people who are not players associated with this franchise. My vote for Abbot has a lot to do with the fanfare surrounding his career with the Angels.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 03-02-2011 at 03:59 PM.

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    Players
    Garret Anderson
    Doug DeCinces
    Brian Downing
    Jim Edmonds
    Darin Erstad
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Mark Langston
    Troy Percival
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana
    Jarrod Washburn
    Mike Witt

    A few of these guys are pretty recent, so let me know if any of them don't qualify. If recently-retired Jim Edmonds and Garret Anderson and/or the three players who last played in 2009 (Erstad, Percival, and Washburn) aren't eligible here, here are my replacement candidates in order:

    Wally Joyner
    Dean Chance
    Rod Carew
    (none)
    (none)
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    The final 'l' is missing from one of the links above.
    Batting Leaders

    Shortstops Dick Schofield and Gary DiSarcina were here for "12 seasons" but tallied only 4000 PA each.
    Remarkably there seem to me only two strong candidates at catcher-third-short-second, Fregosi and Grich.


    Players (15)
    Dean Chance
    Jim Fregosi
    Nolan Ryan
    Frank Tanana
    Bobby Grich
    Mike Witt
    Chuck Finley
    Brian Downing
    Wally Joyner
    Chili Davis

    Tim Salmon
    Jim Edmonds
    Garret Anderson
    Darrin Erstad
    Troy Percival

    someday?:Troy Glaus, Vladimir Guerrero, John Lackey, Francisco Rodriguez

    others?: Albie Pearson, Doug DeCinces, Rod Carew, Bob Boone
    more?: Mark Langston


    Contributors (5)
    Gene Autry
    Harry Dalton
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Gene Mauch
    Mike Scioscia

    others: Bill Rigney
    Last edited by Paul Wendt; 03-07-2011 at 09:54 AM.

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    contributors:
    Gene Autry
    Gene Mauch

    players:
    Garret Anderson (I assume with his retirement he's now eligible)
    Dean Chance
    Brian Downing
    Darin Erstad
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Mark Langston
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Not yet eligible:
    Chone Figgins
    Troy Glaus
    Vladimir Guerrero
    John Lackey
    Francisco Rodriguez
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    Garret Anderson retired before this thread was made so I assume he is eligible.
    Chop! Chop! Chop!

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    Players:
    Tim Salmon
    Garret Anderson
    Chuck Finley
    Frank Tanana
    Nolan Ryan
    Mark Langston
    Troy Percival
    Brian Downing
    Bobby Grich
    Darin Erstad
    Jim Fregosi
    Chili Davis
    Contributers:
    Gene Mauch
    Bill Rigney
    Mike Scioscia
    Bob Starr
    Gene Autry
    Chop! Chop! Chop!

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    Garret Anderson is indeed eligible. I'm adding him to my ballot as well.

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    Players
    Garret Anderson
    Rod Carew
    Dean Chance
    Chili Davis
    Brian Downing
    Jim Edmonds
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Mark Langston
    Troy Percival
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Contributors
    Gene Autrey
    Gene Mauch
    Mike Scioscia
    Bill Stoneman

    I was generous with Edmonds. He had four big offensive seasons with the Angels and earned his reputation as a fantastic defender there, as well. I could probably be swayed the other way, due to his smallish body of work there ... but I feel more comfortable with him on the ballot.

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    Players (14)
    Garret Anderson
    Rod Carew
    Dean Chance
    Brian Downing
    Jim Edmonds
    Darin Erstad
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Wally Joyner
    Troy Percival
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Contributors (2)
    Gene Autry
    Gene Mauch
    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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    They will always be the California Angles to me....

    Bob Boone
    Rod Carew
    Bobby Grich
    Jim Fregosi
    Brian Downing
    Garret Anderson
    Jim Edmonds
    Tim Salmon
    Chili Davis
    Don Baylor
    Chuck Finley
    Nolan Ryan
    Frank Tanana
    Mark Langston
    Troy Percival

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    The Rally Monkey
    Gene Autry
    Jimmie Reese
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleX View Post
    IMPORTANT REMINDERS:
    - There must be at least 10 ballots cast in order for election to count.
    I'm going to make a suggestion for a slight change. Instead of requiring ten votes for the election to count, require a minimum of 75% of that (8 votes) to elect anyone. That way, if 8 of 8 or 9 agree on some candidates, we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, you could certainly elect to not run the election again if we don't get 10 votes.

    We'd save at least a few names even if we stop at nine voters by this slight rule change.
    Last edited by jalbright; 03-07-2011 at 07:24 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    I'm going to make a suggestion for a slight change. Instead of requiring ten votes for the election to count, require a minimum of 75% of that (8 votes) to elect anyone. That way, if 8 of 8 or 9 agree on some candidates, we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, you could certainly elect to not run the election again if we don't get 10 votes.

    We'd save at least a few names even if we stop at nine voters by this slight rule change.
    That seems like a fair solution. Thanks.

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    I'm glad you like the suggestion. At this point, you probably want to change the rules section to reflect the change.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Instead of requiring ten votes for the election to count, require a minimum of 75% of that (8 votes) to elect anyone. That way, if 8 of 8 or 9 agree on some candidates, we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, you could certainly elect to not run the election again if we don't get 10 votes.
    If the Angels do not get ten ballots (having nine) that is a bad omen for expansion teams. Only the Mets and Royals seem to me sure to do better.

    Also, with one more vote Gene Autry of all people may ride into the Angels Hall of Fame.
    Imagine that!

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    This election is over. Here are the results:

    Elected Players (9 ballots submitted, 7 votes required for election)
    Garret Anderson - 9 votes (100%)
    Brian Downing - 9 votes (100%)
    Chuck Finley - 9 votes (100%)
    Jim Fregosi - 9 votes (100%)
    Bobby Grich - 9 votes (100%)
    Nolan Ryan - 9 votes (100%)
    Tim Salmon - 9 votes (100%)
    Frank Tanana - 9 votes (100%)
    Troy Percival - 7 votes (77.78%)

    Elected Contributors (8 ballot submitted, 6 votes required for election)
    Gene Autry - 7 votes (87.50%)
    Gene Mauch - 7 votes (87.50%)


    Other Players Receiving Support
    Jim Edmonds - 6 votes (66.67%)
    Mark Langston - 6 votes (66.67%)
    Rod Carew - 5 votes (55.56%)
    Chili Davis - 5 votes (55.56%)
    Darin Erstad - 5 votes (55.56%)
    Dean Chance - 4 votes (44.44%)
    Wally Joyner - 4 votes (44.44%)
    Bob Boone - 2 votes (22.22%)
    Doug DeCinces - 2 votes (22.22%)
    Mike Witt - 2 votes (22.22%)
    Jim Abbott - 1 vote (11.11%)
    Don Baylor - 1 vote (11.11%)
    Jarrod Washburn - 1 vote (11.11%)

    Other Contributors Receiving Support
    Mike Scioscia - 5 votes (62.50%)
    Bill Stoneman - 3 votes (37.50%)
    Buzzie Bavasi - 2 votes (25.00%)
    Harry Dalton - 1 vote (12.50%)
    Dick Enberg - 1 vote (12.50%)
    Jimmie Reese - 1 vote (12.50%)
    Bill Rigney - 1 vote (12.50%)
    Bob Starr - 1 vote (12.50%)

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