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    Outstanding work by Bsmile.

    But, being a ballpark thread, this really should be in the "Ballparks..." forum ("Discuss both modern and historic ballparks."), hmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidegrounds View Post
    Outstanding work by Bsmile.
    Indeed. I agree. His photo work is outstanding! His mastery of subtlety and nuance is high art, and cultural sublimity. But this subject is also fitting for a historical discussion, too. It fits nicely in both.

    By the way, westsidegrounds, could I persuade you to vote in my poll Wagner/Mays.

    Would much appreciate it and consider is a big favor, if you could. Thanks.

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    Westsidegrounds,

    Will you EVER vote in my Wagner/Mays poll?

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    Bill asked:
    How is it that in Post #8, the grandstand doesn't extend all the way down the field past the foul lines, like it does in all the other photos? Is the date misidentified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dto7 View Post
    Bill, the date of the picture is correct. They added the extension down first and third base lines in 1908.
    See #9 and especially #10, labeled 1907. The grandstand extends down the foul line beyond the outfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Wendt View Post
    Bill asked:
    How is it that in Post #8, the grandstand doesn't extend all the way down the field past the foul lines, like it does in all the other photos? Is the date misidentified?



    See #9 and especially #10, labeled 1907. The grandstand extends down the foul line beyond the outfield.
    Only #2, #3, #4 and #8 have dates on the actual photos. They did play the Tigers in 1907 and 1908.

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    West Side Grounds & West Side Park

    Thanks to Milladrive for merging my recent posts with a long lost thread about these Chicago parks, both home to the Cubs franchise.

    A quick refresher: There were two incarnations, West Side Park I (1885-1891) when they were known as the White Stockings and then the Colts. From 1891-1892, the Colts switched to South Side Park, then when West Side Park II (1893-1915) opened in 1893, they split that season West and South, then to West Side Park full time in 1894 (South Side Park would then be the home of the White Sox in 1901). The Colts became the Orphans in 1898, then finally the Cubs in 1902. Also, from what I can gather, the second incarnation was called both "Park" and "Grounds", but maybe someone has more info than I can provide. Got all that?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Side_Park

    Anyhoo, here's some nice photos to get the thread going again.


    1902, Dusty Rhodes of the Cleveland Bronchos batting.




    Cubs/Sox exhibition, 1905.




    1906 Series




    1908, expanded left side grandstand




    1908, with rooftop bleachers (Wrigley prototype!)




    August 30, 1908


    Largest size


    Also 1908

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    New RF billboard, 1910




    1910




    1912 "City Series", non-sepia version of previously posted pic.




    1916, Buffalo Bill Wild West show (after Cubs left for the greener pastures of Weeghman Park)

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    Christy Mathewson, NY Giant, in for a Cubs series. Source says 1905, but uniform appears to be from 1911.



    http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...x?lotid=117793

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    Site of West Side Park in Chicago...



    And the site of West Side Grounds...


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    Wow, some really great stuff! I love when ballparks are all but forgotten until someone here pulls them out of their cap. Thanks, alpineinc!
    "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


    Put it in the books.

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    Wow great shots, any idea how many people could fit in it?
    The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time.

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    Although they could be mistaken, my records have only one variation for each park. After the Union Base Ball Grounds (White Stockings, AA, 1871) and the 23rd Street Grounds (White Stockings, AA, 1874-1875; White Stockings, NL, 1876-1877), the franchise moved to Lake Front Park (White Stockings, 1978-1884).

    Which brings me to this thread. According to my records, West Side Park hosted the White Stockings/Colts 1885-1891. In 1891, the Colts split their home games between West Side Park and South Side Park [II]. Chicago's West Side Grounds hosted the Colts'/Orphans'/Cubs' home games from 1893 through 1915, but, correct me if I'm wrong, unless there was a fire or reconstruction I'm unaware of during those years, I think there was only one variation of the West Side Grounds.

    Heh, all this without checking Wikipedia. As a S-O-M person, I'm pretty sure my database of ballparks is as comprehensive as possible. But of course, like anything, it's possible I've overlooked something.

    Either way, thanks again alpineinc for these pics. Although I hadn't realized it until now, there was indeed already a thread dedicated to West Side Grounds, located in the Baseball Photography forum. I've taken the liberty of moving that thread into the Ballparks forum and merging it with this one.

    As well, at least for the time being, I'm letting the two parks remain in the same thread, if only because the only pics of West Side Park are the fine ones posted by Philtration of the property as it is today. If anyone finds a pic or has something to add to the topic of West Side Park, I'll consider splitting the thread for each park to have its own. In the meantime, both parks have their rightful separation in the Forum Index.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy114 View Post
    Wow great shots, any idea how many people could fit in it?
    According to Bill Burgess' records, the original capacity was 16,000.
    "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


    Put it in the books.

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    Evidently, there's some dispute as to whether the "West Side Grounds" were also known as the second "West Side Park." This could indeed be true. In fact, after some legwork, it appears it may be true after all. Until I know for sure, however, I'll continue to refer to the second West Side Park as West Side Grounds, if only for the purpose of distinguishing between the two parks. I wish, with all the above photos of the latter, there were some indication of its rightful moniker.

    Anyway, courtesy of an SOM website, I stumbled across this colorized pic of West Side Park, circa late 1880s.

    West Side Park, Chicago IL.png
    "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


    Put it in the books.

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    Are you ready for 1,152 photos of West Side Grounds? 'Cause here they are:

    http://www.loc.gov/search/?q=&fa=Sub...%29&st=gallery


    These aren't full-sized LOC scans, but they give a good impression of the park throughout the seasons.

    Here are 6 images together to give an idea of their clarity.


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    Extremely rare photo of the outside of the ballpark. Really cool! Note the statues on top and that World Championship flag!

    West_Side1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsksinsnut View Post
    Extremely rare photo of the outside of the ballpark. Really cool! Note the statues on top and that World Championship flag!
    Love that flag. But unless the flag was blown around, the photo may be reversed.

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    In his first year in office (1909), President Taft pays a visit to the West Side Grounds. After all, his half-brother Charles owned the Cubs at that time. The visiting Giants also pay their respects. Taft appears to be almost dead-center in the last photo.

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