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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirmudgeon View Post
    Lincecum pitches OK, but no support. Panda's out 4-6 weeks with the Jose Canseco Hammate injury. I think maybe it's time to watch the NBA playoffs or something, that good feeling I had a couple of days ago is dissipating. Drat.
    Wow, you went from summer of love to Altamont pretty fast there. But as we're losing the hottest batter and good fielder for so long, maybe that's understandable

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    I know, I know, yet you probably understand, being a lifelong G'ints fan has its bipolar moments. Fingers crossed for Cain today. And yes, I'm still sticking by Cain for CYA, G'ints to repeat. No need to belabour the current negatives, let's look at the positives: really good staff, chance for other guys to step up at the plate, Rowand looks better than he ever has in a Giants uni, Sanchez is looking like he will hit .300 this year, Posey is no fluke, Torres and Sanguillendoval will be back, Belt is getting the ABs on the farm and could be back even more ready to go, Zito won't be out forever and Vogelsong looks good for now, we're not owned by the McCourts, doo dah, doo dah. Couldn't resist that last, actually I feel for the players, tough situation down there.

    The sun's out, time to break out the ol' cap w/Croix and soak up the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CandlestickBum View Post
    Wow, you went from summer of love to Altamont pretty fast there.
    LOL, I grew up in Livermore, the Altamont Fest brought...uh, undesireables to my hometown!


    The thing to remember is that it's just now May, so we have a long way to go.

    Sir, it's worse than you think for the McCourts. The press down here is crucifying him daily. Schieffer went to the players and apologized to them for the distraction, tried to reassure them. They'd have been happier had he told them that new ownership is on the way, but that's not happening yet.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Much as I detest the Dodgers, gotta give 'em credit, from Mattingly to Ethier to Kemp to the pitching, they're playing pretty darn well despite all the uncertainty. I even have some sympathy for McCourt, a messy divorce is bad enough, to be excoriated by the media and have your business taken from you by Bud Selig, of all people, it has to be tough sledding right now. I cannot bring myself to exult at another's misfortune, even if it is the Dodgers. I don't know enough about McCourt to know if he deserves what he's getting, like a Donald Sterling would, but I feel for him and wouldn't want to be in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirmudgeon View Post
    Much as I detest the Dodgers, gotta give 'em credit, from Mattingly to Ethier to Kemp to the pitching, they're playing pretty darn well despite all the uncertainty. I even have some sympathy for McCourt, a messy divorce is bad enough, to be excoriated by the media and have your business taken from you by Bud Selig, of all people, it has to be tough sledding right now. I cannot bring myself to exult at another's misfortune, even if it is the Dodgers. I don't know enough about McCourt to know if he deserves what he's getting, like a Donald Sterling would, but I feel for him and wouldn't want to be in his place.
    Huhn? You are writing as if McCourt isn't responsible for these things happening? He's being excoriated by the media for things he has done, and MLB took over the Dodgers for his actions and lies. He's done dug that hole he's in you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CandlestickBum View Post
    Huhn? You are writing as if McCourt isn't responsible for these things happening? He's being excoriated by the media for things he has done, and MLB took over the Dodgers for his actions and lies. He's done dug that hole he's in you know.
    No, mate, didn't say he didn't dig his own hole, just admitting that I don't know if he deserves it, as I am not fully informed of the circumstances. Truth be told, nor do I care to be. I just feel rather badly for that whole organization, with the beating of the Giants fan, the McCourt fiasco, it's an ugly mess. Up here in Portland, the local NBA team dug itself a similar mess some years back and became known, with some justification, as the Jail Blazers. At one point, some wag suggested that the team logo be a silhouette of Damon Stoudemire and his 8-foot bong. It wasn't very pretty to watch. In a rather roundabout way, I was noting that whatever the Giants problems might be at current, at least they are on the field and subject to the fortunes of baseball rather than civil/criminal court. And no, I'm not forgetting Bonds, and yes, I think his number ought be retired and displayed at the ballpark, maybe even with an *. That would be somewhat amusing, perhaps even apropos. He deserves both the recognition and the raised eyebrows.

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    Well, let me fill in a few blanks here, maybe TMI Sir, but I think it might help. The issues really started with the divorce, as certain documents came to light that put Frank and Jamie in a VERY bad light. Specifically, there are documents where Frank and his people talk about how much money they could cut from payroll and other places in order to increase their profits/income. As we find out now, that included the termination of the Dodgers Head of Security. This revelation on top of the Stow beating really makes the McCourts look bad. Add in that Frank ignored a directive from Selig and went and secured a loan from Fox in order to MAKE PAYROLL, and all hell broke loose. Add into that the well know fact that the Dodgers have let security go at the stadium, and Frank has a really deep hole to crawl out of. He's been playing the "It's un-American" card to take his business from him, that's not getting any traction either.

    It could get uglier if evidence comes out that the McCourts were gutting the team just so they can buy another house/plane/necklace etc. That's speculation at this point, but if that's the case, Dodger fans will go crazy.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    OK, thanks for the clarification, KHenry. Maybe the guy is getting what he deserves, behaving like one more white collar criminal. I didn't know about the security issue either, not that it's anyone's fault other than that of the perpetrator(s). I still don't like seeing that franchise take it on the nose like that. I can't easily bring myself to enjoy another's misfortune; if McCourt and his ilk did indeed behave so atrociously and greedily, he/they deserve the worst, it's just sad for those they drag down with 'em.

    By the bye, what does TMI mean? I'm not so up on electronic shorthand.

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    TMI=Too Much Information

    The Dodgers have been the Gold Standard of franchises not only in LA but MLB for over 50 years, so for it to be dragged into the mud has been very hard for Angelinos to take. People complained when FOX owned the team, but it was totally different then, since at least people thought they were trying to win, they just were stupid in the way they went about it. McCourt's situation is far worse. Funny thing though, the team has been more successful on the field since he's bought them. That may be more because he was smart enough to bring Ned Coletti on board, but it's a fact that they have been in the playoffs a lot more over the past few years.


    Back to the bad things....Poor Madbum throws a gem and gets undone by lack of support and another poor fielding play by Tejada.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Thanks for the translation, I actually figured it out later, I must remember to pay attention sometimes... you ever have days where you feel a step and a half behind? Maybe I'm like spring here in the Northwest, a little slow on the uptake as of late.

    Just saw the box, Bumgarner is having a tough year so far, Tejada needs to start doing something either in the field, at the plate, or on the bases. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, I remember his MVP year in Oakland and the year he knocked in 150 for Baltimore, he was great. I figured he was an upgrade on Uribe and/or Renteria, I guess I'll stick by that for a while more. Plus, he's got that great smile, and that adds points in my opinion. It's kind of like when a player places his cap over his heart for the Anthem, or sings along, I identify more with that player. Personal foible or not, I do, and yes, I pull for a guy who looks happy to be out there, having fun, trying hard, all that.

    It is too bad about the Dodgers, it just seems wrong somehow to tarnish that franchise, they've been somewhat emblematic of baseball for a century, good and bad, ups and downs, myth and reality, to be caught up in something so, so... tawdry is very sad.

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    Based upon the Giants bad start, it's no surprise that trade rumor's have sprouted: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...medium=twitter

    NO WAY I trade Wheeler for Reyes. Or for Belt for that matter. I think we could proabably get him for a couple of second line prospects. Don't get me wrong, I"D LOVE to get Reyes into a Giants uni, but not at the expense of one of our top prospects.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Have to keep Belt, should keep Wheeler as Zito's heir apparent. I bet Reyes would stay for a while in SF, wouldn't be just a rental, but maybe he has an overinflated sense of his own value? Wonder if the Mets would bite on Zito and Ishikawa? Sanchez should no way be a consideration, gotta keep the top four, even with Bumgarner's tough start, keeping a solid staff worked out kinda well for the Braves for a decade plus. Reyes is an upgrade, but there's no need to panic, just won a WS, could repeat but at what long-term expense? Despite my own unsettled feelings about the performance thus far by the G'ints, maybe this is a great chance to play Belt and whoever else they've got in the minors with a chance, see what shakes out?

    I should ask again, what is the rule on call-ups? Can a ML team bounce a guy back and forth unlimited times, how does it affect contract/service status? Also, are there any other decent SS out there, say in Houston or Pittsburgh, who might command less $ but are worth a shot? Should be an interesting several weeks, in any event.

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    Wow, a clutch homer by Huff-Daddy and Weezy for the save! Giants needed a game like that tonight.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    BTW, I'm wondering if Schierholtz' good season might make him trade bait. He's definately the odd man out, especially if Belt comes back soon, but with him playing well perhaps he's more tradable now? I love the idea of Reyes coming west, but not at any price. Just wondering if the Mets might want Nate
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KHenry14 View Post
    Wow, a clutch homer by Huff-Daddy and Weezy for the save! Giants needed a game like that tonight.
    Anbother nice palate cleanser of a game last night, 16K's! Baby! 16!. Holy smokes, they didn't know what hit them. Wilson sure was on his game last night, nasty good stuff.

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    Sheesh, our 3rd hole hitter for the past few games is MIKE FONTENOT?????? Says something about the way the team is going, doesn't it?
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirmudgeon View Post
    Have to keep Belt, should keep Wheeler as Zito's heir apparent. I bet Reyes would stay for a while in SF, wouldn't be just a rental, but maybe he has an overinflated sense of his own value? Wonder if the Mets would bite on Zito and Ishikawa? Sanchez should no way be a consideration, gotta keep the top four, even with Bumgarner's tough start, keeping a solid staff worked out kinda well for the Braves for a decade plus. Reyes is an upgrade, but there's no need to panic, just won a WS, could repeat but at what long-term expense? Despite my own unsettled feelings about the performance thus far by the G'ints, maybe this is a great chance to play Belt and whoever else they've got in the minors with a chance, see what shakes out?

    I should ask again, what is the rule on call-ups? Can a ML team bounce a guy back and forth unlimited times, how does it affect contract/service status? Also, are there any other decent SS out there, say in Houston or Pittsburgh, who might command less $ but are worth a shot? Should be an interesting several weeks, in any event.
    They have Ike Davis at first base and are looking to shed payroll, not add it, so Zito is clearly not a fit.
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    They have Ike Davis at first base and are looking to shed payroll, not add it, so Zito is clearly not a fit.
    Yeah, I was thinking about Ishikawa as an outfielder, as Ike Davis is really good and going nowhere, but I was thinking that the Giants might be willing to eat some of Zito's salary; the Mets can always use pitching. I guess any deal depends on Reyes signing beyond 1/2 year. But back to the Champs, another walk-off win, more Fontenot and Sanchez, more torture, too bad for Bumgarner, but only 2 back. Boy, we need somebody to get hot with the bat, though.

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    I'm sorry, but anytime anyone suggests Zito as an option for a trade I think they're crazy. Frankly, I don't see any team wanting Barry Zito, unless they only had to pay him the league minimum each year, which is another two/three seasons we'd pay someone $18 million for him to not be on our roster

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    OK, I admit I'm crazy. Took you long enough to notice. One lives in hope, howsomever, and I reckon if Rowand can be somewhat serviceable as he's been so far, maybe Zito can stage a mini-comeback of his own, either to SF's direct benefit or as a piece of valuable trade bait. And yes, those were pigs you just saw fly. Just sayin'...

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    Zito is tradeable, but the Giants would have to pick up the vast majority of his salary. IMO, Sabes would probably prefer just to keep him around to be a spot starter and eat some innings. Secondly, we presuppose that anyone would be intersted in him. Only a contender who's staff is beat up might take a flyer on him. And here in early May, it's too early for that.

    Rowand and Burrell are different stories however, with Rowand being more problematic because of his salary. But at some point something is going to have to be done with an outfielder or two, as Belt (still crushing it at at .444 clip) can't be kept down at Fresno for long.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Whoa, Vogelsong looked great today. And ya gotta love Cody Ross showing signs of life. Sweep of the Rocks, things are looking up!
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Whoa, another walk off win courtesy of Cody Ross this time. Poor Timmy was great tonight, too bad he didn't get any support.
    “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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    Need some hitters to step up... who will it be? My money is on Sanchez and Posey. Anyone would be good, those two seem best equipped. Thoughts?

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    I'm somewhat shocked how much Posey is struggling with the bat so far this season.
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