How to fix hitting roll over grounders

[pstein]

Lately, I've been having a lot of trouble with rolling my top hand prematurely. How can I fix it? Is it from an underlying problem?

[Jake Patterson]

lately, i've been having a lot of trouble with rolling my top hand prematurely. How can i fix it? Is it from an underlying problem?

pcr? .

[skipper5]

Previous thread on the topic

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...t=#post1822589

[tcvander]

Lately, I've been having a lot of trouble with rolling my top hand prematurely. How can I fix it? Is it from an underlying problem?

This looks like it would help....

http://hittingdisk.com/demo.html

[dominik]

maybe the most important thing is letting the ball gt deep. at some point in any swing the hands roll (or it's a very powerless swing) just make sure you hit the ball before that happens.

[FiveFrameSwing]

maybe the most important thing is letting the ball gt deep. at some point in any swing the hands roll (or it's a very powerless swing) just make sure you hit the ball before that happens.

Good answer. Often the culprit is an overuse of the arms as a source of power. Using swing mechanics that favor hitting the ball deep is the answer IMO.

[pstein]

Good answer. Often the culprit is an overuse of the arms as a source of power. Using swing mechanics that favor hitting the ball deep is the answer IMO.

I'm pretty rotational. I don't think that I'm using my arms to generate power.

[virg]

I'm pretty rotational. I don't think that I'm using my arms to generate power.

fast game or slow-pitch??

[pstein]

fast game or slow-pitch??

Fast game. I lead with my hips, not my hands. I think we should actually call the methods what they are. Rotational: Hips lead the way method. Linear: weight-shift method. People don't like it when the "new terms" are not applied (even though my definitions describe it much more accurately)

[virg]

Fast game. I lead with my hips, not my hands. I think we should actually call the methods what they are. Rotational: Hips lead the way method. Linear: weight-shift method. People don't like it when the "new terms" are not applied (even though my definitions describe it much more accurately)

rotational was always known as that. "Linear" is a device being used in place of "weight-shift" for marketing purposes. Both rotational and weight shift are being taught in some ridiculous ways, which is why most batters can't hit, as Scorekeeper knows.

[The Uncoach]

rotational was always known as that. "Linear" is a device being used in place of "weight-shift" for marketing purposes. Both rotational and weight shift are being taught in some ridiculous ways, which is why most batters can't hit, as Scorekeeper knows.

Most batters couldn't ever hit, even before all the "ridiculous" teaching ways.

[The Uncoach]

pstein-

Try Epstein 3/4 drill. Or if you have an insider bat at your disposal set it way out in front and still try to go up the middle.

[pstein]

pstein-

Try Epstein 3/4 drill. Or if you have an insider bat at your disposal set it way out in front and still try to go up the middle.

Sorry, I don't own any of the Epstein stuff. Or an Insider Bat. Please describe the 3/4 drill. Is a spatula an adequate substitute for the Insider Bat?

[The Uncoach]

Sorry, I don't own any of the Epstein stuff. Or an Insider Bat. Please describe the 3/4 drill. Is a spatula an adequate substitute for the Insider Bat?

Essentially, you're going to get to the point of contact (letting the ball travel deep), then keeping the bat squared up, extend all the way out. Afterwards, rotate your hips even further toward left center or right center if you're a lefty (keeping the bat and your chest parallel). Then finish. Lather, rinse, repeat. A spatula with wiffle balls would be fine, too. You want it as far in front as possible, still maintaining a hinge with the wrists and hitting the ball straight ahead. Just a couple of suggestions.

[virg]

Sorry, I don't own any of the Epstein stuff. Or an Insider Bat. Please describe the 3/4 drill. Is a spatula an adequate substitute for the Insider Bat?

why do yo spell yr moniker 'epstein'; minus the E? That's why I always took you fo an Epstein victim.

[Dirtberry]

"rolling my top hand prematurely"

Basic macho man pull mentality, that's all it is in boys and men.

[pstein]

why do yo spell yr moniker 'epstein'; minus the E? That's why I always took you fo an Epstein victim.

First name starts with a P. Last name is Stein.

Dirt-
I think that could be a cause. However, why does it not happen in pull hitters?

[JJA]

Can you post a clip? Although top hand rollover may be an issue, it might not be. It really is pure guesswork without video.

[Dirtberry]

PStein,

“I think that could be a cause. However, why does it not happen in pull hitters?”

It does, that’s what I’m saying, every player covets the power from pulling the ball and they seldom get over it! The ones that get over it still have the overpowering desire to pull and most times revert. When batters receive an outer half pitch they roll over trying to pull it. Lefties fail less in this regard because most of the pitchers are rightists and always pitching to mostly righty batters making them practice competitive pitches to the first base side of home plate 90% of the time so they make many middle in mistakes to lefty batters.

You would think that because the game is built to hit to the right side for advancement and positive strategies that right handed batters would be grilled to go opposite field to take advantage of this but the power of youth ego always wins out and they voluntarily try to pull. You see this in advanced players also. You would think that the fact that 95% of all pitches are designed to be thrown outside because of this ego thing that batters would catch on and go with the odds but no mighty Joe Id always gets into the way.

I don’t let my righties become pull hitters, they are grilled for spray hitting!! I do not emphasize opposite side hitting to my lefties but practice and educate them in going the other way.

[dominik]

First name starts with a P. Last name is Stein.

Dirt-
I think that could be a cause. However, why does it not happen in pull hitters?

I happens if you pull a pitch that should not be pulled. pitches over the inner helf of the plate should be pulled, but if you pull pitches over the outer half you will often run out of bat and roll over.

[bbrages]

What does "rolling" of the wrists mean?

[virg]

What does "rolling" of the wrists mean?

As a swing progresses, the top hand will overtake and then pass the bottom hand.
When the top hand passes the bottom hand, is the "wrist rollover". During the 'overtake and pass' phase the bat reaches its highest speed. Dead-pull hitting power freaks love to apply rollover to contact. When the wrists roll too early a grounder results.

Some other more internal mechanical failures may cause rollover to happen prematurely, and that's what pstein wants to solve.

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[bbrages]

Dead-pull hitting power freaks love to apply rollover to contact. When the wrists roll too early a grounder results.

I'm from the Show-Me-State... anybody got a video or photo of this? It sounds like you're saying that when the lead arm forearm is no longer parallel to the bat, rolling of the wrists is beginning?

[virg]

I'm from the Show-Me-State... anybody got a video or photo of this? It sounds like you're saying that when the lead arm forearm is no longer parallel to the bat, rolling of the wrists is beginning?

the top hand Will overtake and pass the bottom hand. As it passes, the wrists Are rolling Over.
Your description in terms of the bat and forearm might work to describe rolled-over

[pstein]

Dirt-
I'm a lefty (though I throw righty). I've been hitting off the tee with the focus of hitting line drives to center. I've been doing this for about two weeks now, and I have seen some improvement. Recently, I've experimented with "swinging down". Naturally, I lead with my hips, and the bat follows the correct path. In your opinion, will the feeling of swinging down help fix early rollover?