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    Anyone care to give a case for David Neft? Was The Baseball Encyclopedia enough to elect him? Is he on the same level as Al Munro Elias and Bill James? I'd like to hear more about his impact.

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    David Neft Headed up the enormous and enormously important project of creating the first modern baseball encyclopedia, the first Macmillan Encyclopedia. Without that seminal work, where would we be in baseball research? I'm sure someone would have done it by now, but would it have been in time for the likes of Bill James? James is more important IMO because of what he did with information like that provided by Neft, and Elias has a large role in popularizing the use of baseball statistics. For those reasons, I put those two ahead of Neft. If you've done baseball research, BB-ref and Retrosheet in many ways are built on the foundation laid by the first MacMillan encyclopedia. Certainly, when we evaluate players, the encyclopedia format is where most of us start.

    For more, see this article: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0...ll/#more-21975
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    We're in the last day of this election. (For real this time, if you saw yesterday's errant post)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    David Neft Headed up the enormous and enormously important project of creating the first modern baseball encyclopedia, the first Macmillan Encyclopedia. Without that seminal work, where would we be in baseball research? I'm sure someone would have done it by now, but would it have been in time for the likes of Bill James? James is more important IMO because of what he did with information like that provided by Neft, and Elias has a large role in popularizing the use of baseball statistics. For those reasons, I put those two ahead of Neft. If you've done baseball research, BB-ref and Retrosheet in many ways are built on the foundation laid by the first MacMillan encyclopedia. Certainly, when we evaluate players, the encyclopedia format is where most of us start.

    For more, see this article: http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0...ll/#more-21975
    Thanks for the info. He is a likely for my ballot. The difficulty will be in deciding whether Neft should be ahead of or behind Elias.

    While we're on the subject, shouldn't Lee Allen get some strong consideration/be eligible here if Neft is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
    Paul Molitor and Eddie Murray appear to be locks for 2001, and Dale Murphy is close as well. I have a soft spot for both Pedro Guerrero and Lance Parrish, but I don't think that either has a significant argument for this project.
    Agreed though Murphy will be in the bottom half of my ballot if at all. I'm higher on Parrish than Guerrero, but not enough remaining elections for Parrish to ever see a ballot.

    Neft is an intriguing contributor candidate (as is Lee Allen), but I'm unsure where they fall in my queue at this point. Will have to reexamine those not currently on my ballot more carefully.

    FWIW, I expect next year to see only one holdover elected, making the horserace very tight for that position.
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    This election has closed, and we have inducted Hiromitsu Ochiai, Edd Roush and Robin Yount as players and Vin Scully as a contributor. The official results follow, with the player results first:

    Code:
    Players………………	votes	pts
    Yount, Robin	11	132
    Roush , Edd 	8	68
    Ochiai, H	8	53
    Hernandez, K	11	50
    Brock, Lou	5	43
    Cepeda, Perucho	5	42
    Rixey , Eppa	5	41
    Reuschel, Rick	7	39
    Koyama, Masaaki	6	37
    Aparicio, Luis	5	31
    Evans, Dwight	4	30
    Freehan, Bill	7	27
    Beckley , Jake	4	25
    Smith, Reggie	5	25
    Sheckard , J	4	23
    Berger , Wally	3	21
    Dawson, Andre	5	21
    Grimes , B	3	20
    Bando, Sal	2	17
    Shocker, Urban	3	13
    Childs , Cupid	2	12
    Trouppe, Quincy	3	10
    Sewell , Joe	1	9
    Fingers, Rollie	1	8
    McVey , Cal	1	8
    Howard, Frank	1	7
    Lundy , Dick	1	7
    Cepeda, Orlando	1	6
    Evans, Darrell	1	6
    Gomez, Lefty	1	6
    Mullane , Tony	1	6
    Maranville , R	1	4
    Newcombe, Don	1	3
    Pierce, Billy	1	3
    Dandridge, Ray	1	2
    Duffy , Hugh	1	1
    Leach , Tommy	1	1
    Nettles, Graig	1	1
    Now the contributors:
    Code:
    Contributors…	votes	pts
    Scully, Vin	7	22
    Ferguson, Bob	6	18
    Caylor , O. P.	4	17
    Williams, Dick	7	17
    Abe, Iso	5	15
    Evans, Billy	4	13
    Elias, Al Munro	5	10
    Caray, Harry	1	5
    Jobe, Frank	1	5
    Pesky , Johnny	1	5
    Alou, Felipe	1	4
    Martin, Billy	1	4
    Smith, Red	1	4
    O'Doul, Lefty	1	3
    Harvey, Doug	1	2
    McCarthy, Tommy	1	2
    Murnane, Tim	1	2
    Harris , Bucky	1	1
    Uecker, Bob	1	1
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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