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    Brewers Hall of Fame - round one

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.

    Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the energy to replicate the information Double X had typically provided for franchises. If someone wishes to post any or all such information, they are more than welcome to do so. One resource I will point out is the information on the franchise at : http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIL/
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    I don't know if it will make any difference, but wikipedia has a list of all mascots for all MLB teams here that you can add in if you want:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...seball_mascots

    I only bring this up because the only contributor I can think of for this team is Bernie Brewer who is one of the more notable and famous mascots.

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    Jim, just to nip the issue in the bud, can you confirm whether or not mascots qualify as contributors in this series of elections? I'm really hoping they don't. . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I don't know if it will make any difference, but wikipedia has a list of all mascots for all MLB teams here that you can add in if you want:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...seball_mascots

    I only bring this up because the only contributor I can think of for this team is Bernie Brewer who is one of the more notable and famous mascots.
    i was thinking bob uecker
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
    i was thinking bob uecker
    I don't think he counts as a mascot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJC View Post
    Jim, just to nip the issue in the bud, can you confirm whether or not mascots qualify as contributors in this series of elections? I'm really hoping they don't. . . .
    People were voting for mascots and even fans in the 1st rounds and doubleX was counting them. What's the difference? Why does it bother you that much if they do count? If only a handful of people vote for them, they won't get elected.

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    Players:

    Mike Caldwell
    Cecil Cooper
    Jim Gantner
    Teddy Higuera
    Paul Molitor
    Don Money
    Charlie Moore
    Ben Oglivie
    Dan Plesac
    BJ Surhoff
    Gorman Thomas
    Robin Yount

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    Bernie Brewer
    Bob Uecker (28 seasons behind the mic. I can rally behind that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    People were voting for mascots and even fans in the 1st rounds and doubleX was counting them. What's the difference? Why does it bother you that much if they do count? If only a handful of people vote for them, they won't get elected.
    Because mascots are not actually people? I seem to recall having this argument already, possibly with you. Yes, there are people inside them, but the mascot itself is a fictional character in the form of a costume. A handful of people (two, actually) recently voted for Babe Ruth in the election for best pitcher and he made it into the top 15. If you don't want to make a joke of the election, then you really shouldn't be throwing away your vote on costumed characters.
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    I'm not expecting many if any mascots to actually make their team HOFs (the San Diego Chicken would be my first choice of those), but those mascot votes have counted in the past and will count here. Of course, 75% is needed for election, and someone's going to have to make a persuasive case for theirs to get me to join them in voting for one.
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    I'll buy into Uecker as a contributor.
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    Paul Molitor
    Ben Oglivie
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    Players:
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    Jeff Cirillo
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    Rollie Fingers
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    We have eight on both ballots now. I'm thinking I'll loosen the requirement on the minimum number of voters a bit: since it takes 6 of the current minimum of 8 to elect, I don't think it does violence to the standards we've set to make the requirement to elect players that it be the greater of 6 votes or 75%. It would only be 6 out of 6 or 6 out of 7 that would involve this rule change.
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    I see I didn't post an end date for this nor the results. This election is now closed. Counting Zito75's ballot causes only one complication: Jeff Cirillo drops from 7 of 9 to 7 of 10. I'm going to call him at 7.5 of 10 and thus elected. There will be another player round, but not another contributor round. The official results follow, with those above the line in, and those below it not. Players results first:

    10 Cooper, Cecil
    10 Molitor, Paul
    10 Oglivie, Ben
    10 Yount, Robin
    8 Higuera, Teddy
    7.5 Cirillo, Jeff
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    7 Thomas, Gorman
    6 Scott, George
    5 Money, Don
    5 Plesac, Dan
    4 Surhoff, B. J.
    3 Caldwell, Mike
    3 Gantner, Jim
    3 Jenkins, Geoff
    3 Sheets, Ben
    2 Bosio, Chirs
    2 Fingers, Rollie
    2 Haas, Moose
    2 Slaton, Jim
    2 Vaughn, Greg
    1 Lezcano, Sixto

    Now the contributors:
    8 Uecker, Bob
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    2 Kuenn, Harvey
    1 Bamberger, George
    1 Bernie Brewer
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    Argh. Wish I would have seen this.

    Well, even though it's closed, I'd like to point out Bud Selig's name for contributor. You'll find a strong disdain for Selig here but no one can deny the gratitude people have for him bringing a team to Milwaukee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    I see I didn't post an end date for this nor the results. This election is now closed.
    This election is the only one which lasted more than two weeks, and was really meant to last 10 days. When I saw Zito75's ballot and realized I hadn't provided an end date, I counted his ballot and posted the above. Even then, I kept Cirillo elected because of my original intent. However, the election was final the moment I posted that--15 days later than I had intended. I apologize for failing to post an end time at the outset, but not for closing things as of the quoted post.
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    I am mystified at the lists in this thread that DON'T include Geoff Jenkins, due to his good average and power and his length of service with the Brew Crew!

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