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    BBF Twins HOF, round two

    This is the second round for this franchise. The first round can be found here Already inducted are:

    Players
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Sam Rice

    Contributors
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly


    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    MINNESOTA TWINS
    This election will end on Thursday, August 4, 2011, at 1:00 p.m. EDT

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Washington Senators (1901-1960)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1924, 1987, 1991)
    - Pennants: 6 (1924, 1925, 1933, 1965, 1987, 1991)
    - Division Titles: 10 (1969, 1970, 1987, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (8): Joe Mauer (2009), Justin Morneau (2006), Rod Carew (1977), Harmon Killebrew (1969), Zolio Versalles (1965), Roger Peckinpaugh (1925), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1913)

    - Cy Young Recipients (4): Johan Santana (2006), Johan Santana (2004), Frank Viola (1988), Jim Perry (1970)

    - RoY Recipients (7): Marty Cordova (1995), Chuck Knoblauch (1991), John Castino (1979), Rod Carew (1967), Tony Oliva (1964), Bob Allison (1959), Albie Pearson (1958)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (4): Johan Santana (2006), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1918), Walter Johnson (1913)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Harmon Killebrew	13
    2	Rod Carew		12
    3	Kirby Puckett		10
    4	Tony Oliva		8
    5	Camilo Pascual		7
    t6	Earl Battey		5
    t6	Mickey Vernon		5
    t8	George Case		4
    t8	Rick Ferrell		4
    t8	Chuck Knoblauch		4
    t8	Dutch Leonard		4
    t8	Joe Mauer*		4
    t8	Justin Morneau*		4
    t8	Joe Nathan*		4
    t8	Roy Sievers		4
    t8	Stan Spence		4
    t17	Rick Aguilera		3
    t17	Bob Allison		3
    t17	Johan Santana*		3
    t17	Cecil Travis		3
    t21	Joe Cronin		2
    t21	Gary Gaetti		2
    t21	Eddie Guardado		2
    t21	Jimmie Hall		2
    t21	Sid Hudson		2
    t21	Torii Hunter		2
    t21	Jim Kaat		2
    t21	Jim Lemon		2
    t21	Buddy Lewis		2
    t21	Walt Masterson		2
    t21	Buddy Myer		2
    t21	Jim Perry		2
    t21	Rich Rollins		2
    t21	Zolio Versalles		2
    t21	Butch Wynegar		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Ossie Bluege		772		.488
    Joe Cantillon		465		.490
    Joe Cronin		308		.543			1
    Chuck Dressen		329		.354
    Ron Gardenhire*		1459		.550					6
    Billy Gardner		621		.432
    Clark Griffith		1364		.518
    Bucky Harris		2776		.485	1		2
    Walter Johnson		617		.570
    Tom Kelly		2386		.478	2		2		2
    Joe Kuhel		308		.345
    Cookie Lavagetto	657		.414
    Gene Mauch		772		.490
    Jimmy McAleer		311		.426
    Sam Mele		963		.546			1
    Frank Quilici		568		.494
    Bill Rigney		392		.531					1
    Jake Stahl		305		.395	
    
    * Current manager
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    My Ballot

    Players
    Bob Allison
    Joe Cronin
    Dave Goltz
    Joe Judge
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Firpo Marberry
    Clyde Milan
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Brad Radke
    Cesar Tovar
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Eddie Yost

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan
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    PLAYERS


    Bob Allison
    Goerge Case
    Joe Cronin
    Gary Gaetti
    Joe Judge
    Heine Manush
    Clyde Milan
    Buddy Myer
    Jim Perry
    Brad Radke
    Cesar Tovar
    Cecil Travis--Should have his number retired.
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Eddie Yost

    CONTRIBUTERS

    Andy Macphail
    Ossie Bluege--I like him as a player too.
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    Bumping due to the slow start with this and the expansion team thread that it's paired with. (the Blue Jays)
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    Players
    Bob Allison
    Ossie Bluege
    Joe Cronin
    Gary Gaetti
    Joe Judge
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Buddy Lewis
    Clyde Milan
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Brad Radke
    Cesar Tovar
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola

    Contributors
    Ron Gardenhire
    Sam Mele
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    Players:

    Rick Aguilera
    Earl Battey
    Joe Cronin
    Rick Ferrell
    Gary Gaetti
    Joe Judge
    Firpo Marberry
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Roy Sievers
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Eddie Yost

    Contributors:

    Ossie Bluege
    Ron Gardenhire
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan
    Last edited by jjpm74; 07-24-2011 at 01:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJC View Post
    Contributors
    Ron Gardenhire
    Sam Mele
    Is Ron Gardenhire eligible? If so, I would like to add him to my ballot on the contributors side.

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    Players
    Rick Aguilera
    Joe Cronin
    Gary Gaetti
    Firpo Marberry
    Claude Milan
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Sam Rice
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Ed Yost

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Ron Gardenhire
    Terry Ryan

    Here's a quick copy-paste of my stumping for Bluege in the previous election:

    As a player, he was a very good defender at third base (when it was a more difficult position) - he accumulated 8+ dWAR. He was a starter on the Senators lone WS winner, and he made an All-Star game. Not a terrific resume, to be sure, but it's a start.

    He was a coach for three years after retiring, then managed the team for five years. His teams were 379-394, finishing second in the league twice. He won Manager of the Year in 1945. While this may not be impressive at face value, it's comparatively solid for a team like the Senators.

    After managing, he was the director of the team's farm system for a decade. He signed (and discovered, based on some sources) Harmon Killebrew.

    After managing the system, Bluege became the team's comptroller for nearly fifteen years, overseeing the team's finances and the like. This bridged the gap between Washington and Minnesota. So far as I can tell, the team did well financially under Bluege's watch - I don't have much of a basis for comparison, though.

    In the end, Bluege did a great deal of good for the Senators/Twins. He was a decent player, a fine manager and coach, and did a solid job with the team's finances for fifteen years. Fifty years of fine service seems like a fine resume to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Players:

    Rick Aguilera
    Earl Battey
    Joe Cronin
    Rick Ferrell
    Gary Gaetti
    Goose Goslin
    Joe Judge
    Firpo Marberry
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Roy Sievers
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Eddie Yost

    Contributors:

    Ossie Bluege
    Andy MacPhail
    Terry Ryan
    Finally! A vote for Roy Sievers. I'll try to vote tomorrow, and Sievers WILL be on my ballot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    Is Ron Gardenhire eligible? If so, I would like to add him to my ballot on the contributors side.
    I know of no reason under the rules to declare him ineligible. I'll consider this a vote for Gardenhire unless you advise otherwise. Also, you voted for Goslin, who has already been elected. If youwant to vote for someone else, let me know.

    Domenic has voted for the elected Sam Rice--but he only voted for 12, so he had open spaces to work with.
    Last edited by jalbright; 07-24-2011 at 01:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    I know of no reason under the rules to declare him ineligible. I'll consider this a vote for Gardenhire unless you advise otherwise. Also, you voted for Goslin, who has already been elected. If youwant to vote for someone else, let me know.

    Domenic has voted for the elected Sam Rice--but he only voted for 12, so he had open spaces to work with.
    I added Gardenhire and removed Goslin. I have no one in my queue, so my player's ballot now only has 14 players.

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    Players
    Earl Battey
    Joe Cronin
    Gary Gaetti
    Rick Ferrell
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Roy Sievers
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Zolio Versalles
    Frank Viola

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Ron Gardenhire
    Terry Ryan

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    We now have six votes, so we can elect some players from this franchise if we are in sufficient agreement.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Players
    Rick Aguilera
    Bob Allison
    Joe Cronin
    Gary Gaetti
    Joe Judge
    Firpo Marberry
    Clyde Milan
    Buddy Myer
    Camilo Pascual
    Jim Perry
    Brad Radke
    Cecil Travis
    Mickey Vernon
    Frank Viola
    Eddie Yost

    Contributors
    Ossie Bluege
    Terry Ryan

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    Sorry. Headed up to our vacation house- don't have time to post today. I'll try tomorrow if it's still open.

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    I'm away myself, keeping up via hotel wifi. Because of my travels, the elections are running a bit longer right now, This one and the Blue Jays are open until closing after noon 8/4. So you've got some time.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
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    We've finished the Twins, but we did elect a few in each category. The inductees are above the "=====" break. First the player results:
    7 Joe Cronin
    7 Buddy Myer
    7 Cecil Travis
    7 Mickey Vernon
    7 Frank Viola
    6 Gary Gaetti
    6 Camilo Pascual
    ==================
    5 Joe Judge
    5 Clyde Milan
    5 Eddie Yost
    4 Bob Allison
    4 Firpo Marberry
    4 Brad Radke
    3 Rick Aguilera
    3 Cesar Tovar
    2 Earl Battey
    2 Rick Ferrell
    2 Chuck Knoblauch
    2 Jim Perry
    2 Roy Sievers
    1 Ossie Bluege
    1 George Case
    1 Dave Goltz
    1 Buddy Lewis
    1 Heinie Manush
    1 Roger Peckinpaugh
    1 Zoilo Versallles

    Now the contributors:
    6 Ossie Bluege
    =====================
    5 Terry Ryan
    4 Ron Gardenhire
    3 Andy MacPhail
    1 Sam Mele
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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