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    White Sox BBF franchise HOF, Round two

    This election will close on October 1, 2011, at 7:00 a.m EDT.

    This is the second round for this franchise. The first round is here.

    We inducted the following players:
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Eddie Collins
    Red Faber
    Carlton Fisk
    Nellie Fox
    Ted Lyons
    Minnie Minoso
    Billy Pierce
    Frank Thomas
    Ed Walsh

    Now the contributors:
    Charles Comiskey
    Al Lopez

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.
    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1906, 1917, 2005)
    - Pennants: 6 (1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005)
    - Division Titles: 6 ((1983, 1993, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (4): Frank Thomas (1994), Frank Thomas (1993), Dick Allen (1972), Nellie Fox (1959)

    - Cy Young Recipients (3): Jack McDowell (1993) LaMarr Hoyt (1983), Early Wynn (1959)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Ozzie Guillen (1985), Ron Kittle (1983), Tommie Agee (1966), Gary Peters (1963), Don Schwall (1961), Luis Aparicio (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Nellie Fox		15
    2	Luis Aparicio		9
    3	Sherm Lollar		8
    t4	Luke Appling		7
    t4	Minnie Minoso		7
    t4	Billy Pierce		7
    t7	Frank Thomas		5
    t7	Early Wynn		5
    t9	Harold Baines		4
    t9	Mark Buehrle*		4
    t9	Chico Carrasquel	4
    t9	Carlton Fisk		4
    t9	Paul Konerko*		4
    t9	Magglio Ordonez*	4
    t15	Dick Allen		3
    t15	Ozzie Guillen		3
    t15	Jack McDowell		3
    t15	Al Simmons		3
    t15	Wilbur Wood		3
    t20	Tommie Agee		2
    t20	Ray Durham		2
    t20	Jimmy Dykes		2
    t20	Ferris Fain		2
    t20	Goose Gossage		2
    t20	Bobby Jenks*		2
    t20	Jim Landis		2
    t20	Thornton Lee		2
    t20	Chet Lemon		2
    t20	Esteban Loaiza		2
    t20	Carlos May		2
    t20	Gary Peters		2
    t20	Juan Pizarro		2
    t20	Eddie Robinson		2
    t20	Al Smith		2
    t20	Eddie Smith		2
    t20	Gerry Staley		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Bevington		437		.509
    Donie Bush		310		.384
    Nixey Callahan		648		.484
    Eddie Collins		336		.521
    Hugh Duffy		310		.477
    Jimmy Dykes		1850		.489
    Lew Fonseca		318		.380
    Jim Fregosi		419		.461
    Kid Gleason		759		.519	1		2
    Ozzie Guillen*		1135		.529	1		1		2
    Fielder Jones		739		.592	1		1
    Gene Lamont		468		.551					1
    Tony LaRussa^		1035		.506					1
    Al Lopez		1495		.564			1
    Ted Lyons		434		.430
    Jerry Manuel		515		.515					1
    Marty Marion		318		.565
    Paul Richards		774		.529
    Pants Rowland		591		.578
    Eddie Stanky		404		.511
    Chuck Tanner		818		.492
    Jeff Torborg		485		.515
    				
    * Current manager	
    ^ Currently managing another franchise
    Last edited by jalbright; 09-18-2011 at 07:57 AM.
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    Players:
    George Davis
    Alex Fernandez
    Tommy John
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Ray Schalk
    Jim Scott
    Tommy Thomas
    Robin Ventura
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributors:
    Ozzie Guillen
    Gene Lamont
    Ron Scheuler
    Bill Veeck
    Ken Williams
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    Players:

    George Davis
    Ray Durham
    Harry Hooper
    Lance Johnson
    Fielder Jones
    Willie Kamm
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Johnny Mostil
    Ray Schalk
    Robin Ventura
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributors:

    Harry Caray
    Hank Greenberg
    Ozzie Guillen
    Gene Lamont
    Bill Veeck

    Player Queue:

    Nick Altrock
    Harold Baines
    Chico Carrasquel
    Bibb Falk
    Roberto Hernandez
    Joe Kuel
    Jorge Orta
    Gary Peters
    Mike Tresh
    Buck Weaver
    Hoyt Wilhelm

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    Players
    Dick Allen
    Harold Baines
    Chico Carrasquel
    Eddie Cicotte
    George Davis
    Fielder Jones
    Jim Kaat
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Sherm Lollar
    Jack McDowell
    Gary Peters
    Robin Ventura
    Wilbur Wood
    Early Wynn

    Contributors
    Jimmy Dykes
    Bob Elson
    Kid Gleason
    Ozzie Guillen
    Bill Veeck

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    Players
    Dick Allen
    Harold Baines
    George Davis
    Harry Hooper
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Ray Schalk
    Robin Ventura
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributors
    Kid Gleason
    Ozzie Guillen
    Gene Lamont
    Bill Veeck

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    Players
    Harold Baines
    Eddie Cicotte
    George Davis
    Shoeless Joe Jackson
    Fielder Jones
    Willie Kamm
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Johnny Mostil
    Gary Peters
    Ray Schalk
    Robin Ventura
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributors
    Jimmy Dykes
    Kid Gleason
    Ozzie Guillen
    Gene Lamont
    Jerry Manuel
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    Dick Allen
    Harold Baines
    Chico Carrasquel
    Bibb Falk
    Joel Horlen
    Willie Kamm
    Sherm Lollar
    Bill Melton
    Johnny Mostil
    Gary Peters
    Rip Radcliff
    Ray Schalk
    Pete Ward
    Wilbur Wood
    Taffy Wright

    Contributors:
    Nelson Algren
    James T. Farrell
    Richard Roeper
    Bill Veeck
    Last edited by westsidegrounds; 09-18-2011 at 08:36 PM. Reason: added three important contributors

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    Players:

    Harold Baines

    Eddie Cicotte

    George Davis

    Shoeless Joe Jackson

    Tommy John

    Fielder Jones

    Willie Kamm

    Thorton Lee

    Chet Lemon

    Sherm Lollar

    Johnny Mostil

    Ray Schalk

    Robin Ventura

    Doc White

    Wilbur Wood

    Contributor:

    Bill Veeck

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    Players

    Harold Baines
    George Davis
    Ray Schalk
    Robin Ventura
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributers
    Bill Veeck
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    We've got eight votes on both ballots, so they've both got a shot at a third round.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Players
    Dick Allen
    Harold Baines
    George Davis
    LaMarr Hoyt
    Joe Jackson
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Jack McDowell
    Ray Schalk
    Robin Ventura
    Wilbur Wood
    Early Wynn

    Contributors
    Kid Gleason
    Ozzie Guillen
    Fielder Jones
    Gene Lamont
    Bill Veeck

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    We're down to just under 2 1/2 days left in this election.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    We had nine votes in both ballots. The contributor ballot is the final one for this franchise, but we will have another player ballot. I will produce the official results, with those above the ======= line elected, those below it not. The players will be listed first:

    9 Wood, Wilbur
    8 Davis, George
    8 Lollar, Sherm
    8 Schalk, Ray
    8 Ventura, Robin
    7 Baines, Harold
    == ============
    6 Lemon, Chet
    5 Lee, Thornton
    5 Mostil, Johnny
    5 White, Doc
    4 Allen, Dick
    4 Jones, Fielder
    4 Kamm, Willie
    3 Cicotte, Eddie
    3 Jackson, Joe
    3 Landis, Jim
    3 McDowell, Jack
    3 Peters, Gary
    2 Carrasquel, Chico
    2 Hooper, Harry
    2 John, Tommy
    2 Wynn, Early
    1 Durham, Ray
    1 Falk, Bibb
    1 Fernandez, Alex
    1 Horlen, Joel
    1 Hoyt, Lamar
    1 Johnson, Lance
    1 Kaat, Jim
    1 Melton, Bill
    1 Radcliff, Rip
    1 Scott, Jim
    1 Thomas, Tommy
    1 Ward, Pete
    1 Wright, Taffy


    Now the contributors:
    8 Veeck, Bill
    == =============
    5 Guillen, Ozzie
    5 Lamont, Gene
    4 Gleason, Kid
    2 Dykes, Jimmy
    2 Greenberg, Hank
    1 Algren, Nelson
    1 Caray, Harry
    1 Elson, Bob
    1 Farrell, James T.
    1 Jones, Fielder
    1 Manuel, Jerry
    1 Roeper, Richard
    1 Scheuler, Ron
    1 Williams,Ken
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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