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    The Braves non-tendered Moylan and Conrad.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-...k-with-braves/
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    So the Braves have discussed a deal with both Prado and Jair with Baltimore but both teams don't appear to match up to well. The only player on the major league roster that would appear to fill a need is Adam Jones but offensively a healthy Prado and he are pretty equal, Jones hits more HRs but he hit 19 of his 25 HRs in a hitter's friendly park. He could play CF but Baseball Reference disliked his defense last year and UZR has had him in the negative for the past 3 seasons. Basically the Braves would be getting an overrated defensive CFer who might hit more HRs then Prado in Turner Field and add 5 to 8 more SB. Heyman says it isn't likely which I am very thankful for.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    Are the Braves going to make any moves? To be honest, they have way too many question marks going into the season with their current roster..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    Are the Braves going to make any moves? To be honest, they have way too many question marks going into the season with their current roster..
    I don't think the Braves look at it as they have to make a big move, I get the feeling of wanting the Braves do to something big but the Braves had a good team last year that did collapse at the end of the season though I think more people would say it had to do with the managing more then anything else.

    The Marlins got better in the division but they were also last in the division and still have health questions (Reyes and Josh Johnson), the Nationals are the most likely to give the Braves a push next year and if they were to add someone like Fielder they would be much more interesting but their bullpen and CF is the biggest question mark for me. The Phillies will continue to be strong but they will also continue to age and it would appear that the decline for some has already started.

    The Braves have questions sure but no more then any other team, the health of the rotation (Hudson and Hanson) are key, if Prado stays the him rebounding offensively with Heyward is also major, Pastornicky will need to provide something offensively, and the other thing the Braves need is Uggla not getting off to a slow start. I am sure you could add questions but every team has questions and no team is perfect, I don't want the Braves to trade Prado or Jair for bad packages (Jair for a package built around Seth Smith does nothing for this team) simply to say they did something. (not that you are saying that)

    I am fine going into the season next year with what the Braves have right now.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    I tend to agree. This team got better simply by jettisoning Lowe and McLouth (and probably Gonzalez.)
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    And getting a new hitting coach should help as well. If Heyward isn't screwed up beyond repair, he'll rebound, and Dan Uggla can easily raise his batting average while keeping his power.

    Having Pastornicky at short, if it does happen, won't be too harmful, even if he has a glove made of iron, like I hear. Hudson's just about the only ground ball pitcher on this staff now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
    Having Pastornicky at short, if it does happen, won't be too harmful, even if he has a glove made of iron, like I hear. Hudson's just about the only ground ball pitcher on this staff now.
    I have heard mix things on Pastornicky, the guy I trust (Keith Law rubs people the wrong way but gives good analysis) says he should be fine at SS. The things I hear is that he has the range to play SS but the arm is the question though isn't bad enough where he is unable to do so, I think he should be fine and when it comes to offense the standard Alex Gonzalez has set aren't exactly Ruthian.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureBaseballFan View Post
    I have heard mix things on Pastornicky, the guy I trust (Keith Law rubs people the wrong way but gives good analysis) says he should be fine at SS. The things I hear is that he has the range to play SS but the arm is the question though isn't bad enough where he is unable to do so, I think he should be fine and when it comes to offense the standard Alex Gonzalez has set aren't exactly Ruthian.
    No kidding. All Pastornicky has to do is post a better batting average and that alone might give him a better OPS+ than Gonzalez did last year.

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    Orioles reportedly turned down an offer of Prado, Jair, and a pitching prospect for Adam Jones. Here are my quick thoughts.

    1. Don't believe it for a second.
    2. If true thank God.
    3. Tell him to just go into the season as is right now then trade away 2 good trade pieces for one overrated CFer.

    Edit :: Mr. Bowman's response = Yeah not really
    Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 12-21-2011 at 12:33 PM.
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    I would like to have him but not for either of those guys, much less both of them. As several other people have noted, this is why the Orioles are who (and where) they are.

    Even if that offer didn't happen, (and I trust DoB's sources), they could have gotten a nice package for him at the deadline last season. They need to get someone there who understands the concept of leverage.
    "It's like watching a Western. It's slow, so you can watch the chess moves. Nothing seems to happen, but when it goes down, it goes down big." - Howard Bryant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Bravos View Post
    I would like to have him but not for either of those guys, much less both of them. As several other people have noted, this is why the Orioles are who (and where) they are.

    Even if that offer didn't happen, (and I trust DoB's sources), they could have gotten a nice package for him at the deadline last season. They need to get someone there who understands the concept of leverage.
    To be honest Jones doesn't interest me in any real manner, to me Adam Jones looks like another Nate McLouth for the Braves.

    Jones is a guy who doesn't get On Base very much, hits HRs but most (19 of 25) come at home in a hitter's friendly park, and has a reverse split posting a .673 career OPS against lefties compared to .790 vs. righties.

    Defensively he has won a Gold Glove but in the same vain of Nate McLouth in that he made great highlight reel plays but advanced numbers don't provide evidence that he really is a good or even average CFer defensively.

    The next problem is he is only under control for 2 more seasons and his 25 HRs in 2011 and Gold Glove tend to be overrated and to keep him beyond 2013 would likely mean overpaying him.

    Jones fills a lot of needs the Braves need on the surface, a RH hitter with good power and can play CF if Bourn were to leave, but in reality he is everything that the Braves have struggled with the past 2 years in CF, a guy who struggles against lefties while playing a poor defensive CF. He isn't Nate McLouth bad but he is hardly someone I would give up a bunch of quality players/prospects for.

    Edit :: As for the Orioles I believe that they will continue to flail as long as Peter Angelos owns the team, he simply gets in the way of what is likely positive moves to the future by singling out players who he simply likes and thus prevents deals from getting done.
    Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 12-21-2011 at 06:02 PM.
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    At Last, News!

    Braves sign Prado to a one-year deal, avoiding arbitration

    Braves bring back Jack Wilson to back up Pastornicky

    Clearly, not earth-shattering news, but this makes the 2012 picture much clearer.

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    If the Braves do not make any somewhat significant moves, I will be largely unimpressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francoeurstein View Post
    If the Braves do not make any somewhat significant moves, I will be largely unimpressed.
    It is not necessary to be impressed. The team really didn't need to make many changes. The Marlins got better, yes, but it'd take an unabashed act of God for there not to be multiple controversies coming out of that team. The Phillies will be the Phillies, and the Natonals will have to have everything go right for them to be a threat.

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    Bourn and JJ have signed one year deals to avoid arbitration and Moylan has been signed to a minor league contract and invited to spring training. I think we're where we're going to be when the whistle blows.

    I would like to make a tweak or two but all in all, I'm okay with where we are. We practiced a great deal of addition by subtraction this winter. Just knowing I'm not going to have to suffer a hive attack every 4th or 5th day with Lowe on the mound sets my mind at ease, tremendously.
    "It's like watching a Western. It's slow, so you can watch the chess moves. Nothing seems to happen, but when it goes down, it goes down big." - Howard Bryant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Los Bravos View Post
    I would like to make a tweak or two but all in all, I'm okay with where we are. We practiced a great deal of addition by subtraction this winter. Just knowing I'm not going to have to suffer a hive attack every 4th or 5th day with Lowe on the mound sets my mind at ease, tremendously.
    You can add that to making me want to claw my eyes out whenever Alex Gonzalez came up to back with RISP.
    Extend Prado!!!

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    With me, it was more like clasping my hands together and imploring him to get a strike before he started flailing away but, yeah...I hear ya.
    "It's like watching a Western. It's slow, so you can watch the chess moves. Nothing seems to happen, but when it goes down, it goes down big." - Howard Bryant

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    I was reading the article with Terry McGuirk from the AJC when this line caught my attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry McGuirk CEO of the Atlanta Braves
    “It’s hard to predict, but there’s no pressure [to sell],” McGuirk said. “Public companies, when they do poorly, have different pressures. Liberty has done extremely well and is a very successful company. ... Public companies are public companies, but there’s nothing to indicate that any sale could be happening in the near future.”
    My personal reaction

    There is a lot of good stuff in the article the, as well as things which make me want to burn down Time Warner because once you read that TV deal section it makes you realize how much we got screwed by them.
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    Yeah, that deal was clearly the beginning of the problem and the start of our slow slide into mid-markethood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Rosenthal
    #Braves excited by Hanson's revamped delivery. He's more compact, making better use of legs. Shoulder issue forced adjustments.
    interested to see the new motion.
    Extend Prado!!!

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