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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Wilingham looks like he's been at least solid in LF. If he's the guy they signed, I'd leave it up to the Sox whether he or Crawford would be better in RF.
    All things (salary, age, defense, etc) considered I'd take Reddick over Willingham. But there is a reason I'm not a GM... ;-)
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    All things (salary, age, defense, etc) considered I'd take Reddick over Willingham. But there is a reason I'm not a GM... ;-)
    I tend to agree. I could see Cuddyer if the price isn't too bad. That allows Kalish to start the year in AAA and makes Reddick a very good 4th OF. Reddick can play all 3 OF spots at least passably, and would probably see a good number of at bats covering for all three spots. In that scenario, McDonald probably loses his spot and is either sent to AAA as depth, lost on waivers, or traded in a minor deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    All things (salary, age, defense, etc) considered I'd take Reddick over Willingham. But there is a reason I'm not a GM... ;-)
    until they announce who the new GM is...you are still in the running

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Boxer View Post
    until they announce who the new GM is...you are still in the running
    Did I ever tell you guys that when Theo left briefly during the 2005 off-season, I sent John Henry a rambling 4 page letter laying out my qualifications for the GM job?

    A few months later, I got back a pre-printed postcard from the Red Sox HR department saying they had received my "resume" and would "keep it on file". The postcard is framed and hanging in my office to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Boxer View Post
    until they announce who the new GM is...you are still in the running
    Too late. Ben Cherington was told he is the new GM (reported first by Tim Brown). Good thing too, although I could have needed the pay-raise ;-)
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Did I ever tell you guys that when Theo left briefly during the 2005 off-season, I sent John Henry a rambling 4 page letter laying out my qualifications for the GM job?

    A few months later, I got back a pre-printed postcard from the Red Sox HR department saying they had received my "resume" and would "keep it on file". The postcard is framed and hanging in my office to this day.

    Perhaps I should throw my hat back in the ring!
    That is awesome!!! If Ben hadn't been told he got the job, this might just have convinced me to actually send in my CV ;-)
    Last edited by Therwil Flyer; 10-13-2011 at 12:43 PM.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    Not the "outsider" I was kinda hoping for. Hazen was with Ben in his Cleveland Indians time, right? What else do we know about him?
    They both worked for the Indians like we know, but not together Cherrington til 1998 (Ibelieve) and Hazen started in 2000 or 2001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    - Do not sign Wilson [...]. The market will be crazy for Wilson and he just isn't that good, is he?
    Watching him against the Tigers on TV right now, I wonder, may I be wrong. Is it possible that he is that good? What will the market for him be like? He is turning 31 in a few weeks, but he is clearly the best top SP out there (unless CC opts out). Not suggesting the Red Sox should or will sign him. But, say, you could get him for 5/80 (probably not) would you think about it? Sign him and trade Beckett to Texas for Perez, Profar and Kirkman (would TX even consider that)? Lester, Wilson, Buchholz, Bedard, Lackey...
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    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Of course, the very moment I hit the Post Reply-button, Avila hits a HR off him...
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Perhaps I should throw my hat back in the ring!
    You should have offered to keep the dugout clean during games like Omar Infante.

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    Gonzalez, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Crawford are the core of the Red Sox for 2012, The Red Sox wants a right handed bat to play RF. JC Linares could be the answer if he shows in Winter ball and in Spring training that he coulld be what the FO is asking, but Josh Reddick should also be in the picture eeven if he isn't right handed. Ryan Kalish's bat isn't ready for the big show. As a matter of fact Kalish, Lars Anderson, Lowrie and Aviles are trading chips.

    More than likely the Sox are going to pick up Scutaro option year and he will hold up the spot for when Iglesias is ready. Saltalamachia showed enough in 2011 to return as the regular catcher. I don't see Ortiz returning, so Lavernway more than likely will be the DH, now the big question is what the Red Sox will do with Youkilis. Youkilis was part of the issues in 2011 and have one year left in his contract. The Sox third baseman of the future Will Middlebrook isn't ready, so a trade is possible, someone to fill that spot until Middlebrook is ready. The only problem here that this line up isn't no better than third (at best in the American league) Varitek, Drew, and Donald Mc Donald not comming back.

    Lester and Buchholz are the key to the starting pitchers, Becket and Lackey has non tradable contracts, but i believe that Beckett with the right manager and pitching coach (not Curt Young) can get in shape and could return to be a winning pitcher. Lackey is the key to the Sox starting pitching, don't see the red Sox eating out a large portion of his contract and trading him. The fifth spot Wakefield was more of the problem than a problem solver, it was a joke the way handle him in order for him to get his record and was a part for the Sox not making the playoff, he was horrible, so lets hope that he won't be back. the fifth spot could be filled by Bard or Aceves but both could be more valuable in the Pen specially if Papelbon might not be back. Doubront or weiland might not be ready as starters (but could as relievers) so more than likely the fifth spot would have to be a trade or a free agent 9less likely) don't see Albers or Atchinson (specially with Francona not around) coming back, Jenks and Andrew Miller should be non tendered in December and Bowden, Doubront,Weiland, Alex Wilson and Tazawa could be trading chips.

    PS Matuzaka and Rich Hill won't be back for the first half off the season after TJ

    to be continued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    Watching him against the Tigers on TV right now, I wonder, may I be wrong. Is it possible that he is that good? What will the market for him be like? He is turning 31 in a few weeks, but he is clearly the best top SP out there (unless CC opts out). Not suggesting the Red Sox should or will sign him. But, say, you could get him for 5/80 (probably not) would you think about it? Sign him and trade Beckett to Texas for Perez, Profar and Kirkman (would TX even consider that)? Lester, Wilson, Buchholz, Bedard, Lackey...
    Well not looking so good anymore now. Maybe I was right after all ;-)
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    Gonzalez, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Crawford are the core of the Red Sox for 2012, The Red Sox wants a right handed bat to play RF. JC Linares could be the answer if he shows in Winter ball and in Spring training that he coulld be what the FO is asking, but Josh Reddick should also be in the picture eeven if he isn't right handed.
    Agreed. Good point on Linares too, I completely forgot about him. Shame on me!

    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    Ryan Kalish's bat isn't ready for the big show. As a matter of fact Kalish, Lars Anderson, Lowrie and Aviles are trading chips.
    I still think that Kalish when fully recovered is a better player than Reddick. As I said before, will be interesting to watch him this season.

    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    Becket and Lackey has non tradable contracts, but i believe that Beckett with the right manager and pitching coach (not Curt Young) can get in shape and could return to be a winning pitcher.
    This I don't get, the Beckett part I mean.

    Despite a horrific September, Josh Beckett had maybe the best season of his career this year! He pitched to the tune of a 2.89 ERA and an ERA+ of 147 (both career best) with 175 K's over 193 innings and a 3.37 k/bb-rate. The HR/9-rate has come down to 0.98. That is a legitimate staff ace on any team in the majors! He is under control for 3 more years at 17m per. In a market where CJ Wilson is looking for 6 years and 100m+, that is a very attractive deal!
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    Jenks and Andrew Miller should be non tendered in December
    Jenks can't be non-tendered. He signed a two-year contract. I can't see them releasing him and eating the money left...they'll bring him back next year and see if they can't recover some value from him.
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    I agree Beckett had a very good year, but because he wasn't in shape he was a 5-6 inning pitcher that has to change. I disagree with the Kalish comment, Reddick is the better hitter of the two, with more pop in his bat and a better arm, with Kalish having slightly better speed.

    Jenks contract is for a 6M and way out of shape, his performance has shown it. the Red Sox have eaten bigger contracts than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    Did I ever tell you guys that when Theo left briefly during the 2005 off-season, I sent John Henry a rambling 4 page letter laying out my qualifications for the GM job?

    A few months later, I got back a pre-printed postcard from the Red Sox HR department saying they had received my "resume" and would "keep it on file". The postcard is framed and hanging in my office to this day.

    Perhaps I should throw my hat back in the ring!
    you can do it! I want to coach 1st if you dont mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Boxer View Post
    you can do it! I want to coach 1st if you dont mind.
    No sweetheart deals...jobs will be handed out on merit. If you want the job, you have to prove you have the skills required to be a good first base coach.

    As far as I can tell, those skills include:

    - Ability to make small talk with baserunners, opposing first baseman, and umpires.

    - Ability to hold players batting gloves, shin guards, and assorted body armor while they run the bases.

    - Ability to yell "BACK!" when the pitcher makes a pickoff throw to first base.

    If you can prove to me you have this skill set, the job is all yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaffolds View Post
    Jenks contract is for a 6M and way out of shape, his performance has shown it. the Red Sox have eaten bigger contracts than this.
    I guess I just don't see the value in releasing him during the off-season. Wouldn't it make sense to bring him to spring training and see how he looks? That's got to make sure sense than eating the $6 million and then needed to find at least one more reliever to take his place. I wouldn't rely on him to be the setup guy or anything, but he is now in a contract year, and if he wants his next deal to be anything more than a minor league contract, he needs to make something happen on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    I guess I just don't see the value in releasing him during the off-season. Wouldn't it make sense to bring him to spring training and see how he looks? That's got to make sure sense than eating the $6 million and then needed to find at least one more reliever to take his place. I wouldn't rely on him to be the setup guy or anything, but he is now in a contract year, and if he wants his next deal to be anything more than a minor league contract, he needs to make something happen on the field.
    Jenks has been out of shape his whole life (and he has been a difficult person to handle, both of which are somewhat understandable if you know his past). Seriously, he was out of shape, when he recorded 41 saves in 2006, he was out of shape when he pitched to the tune of a 175 ERA+ in 08, he was out of shape when he posted a 10.4 k/9 rate in 2010, and he was out of shape this season. The main difference this season was that he had back issues that turned into a pulmonary embolism!

    Will he come back in 2012 and be a useful to good reliever? We don't know. Should we release him and eat his 6m left? There is just no reason for that. If he turns out to suck you can still release him during spring training or early on in the season.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike D. View Post
    No sweetheart deals...jobs will be handed out on merit. If you want the job, you have to prove you have the skills required to be a good first base coach.

    As far as I can tell, those skills include:

    - Ability to make small talk with baserunners, opposing first baseman, and umpires.

    - Ability to hold players batting gloves, shin guards, and assorted body armor while they run the bases.

    - Ability to yell "BACK!" when the pitcher makes a pickoff throw to first base.

    If you can prove to me you have this skill set, the job is all yours!

    damn...i have to hold all that stuff, and a stop watch of some sort. I dont know...let me get back to you. GREAT POST!

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    let the Theo smear campaign begin...John Henry is on the radio saying he never was on board with the Carl Crawford signing. Good Lord, what a freakin mess this organization is.

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    So what's this about David Ortiz frowning upon the "drama" in the clubhouse, and talking about signing with the Yankees? Ortiz was supposed to be a leader and he created some of that drama with his moaning about an RBI being taken away from him and interrupting a Francona press conference. And openly courting the Yankees? Is there nothing sacred??

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    Ortiz thinks he is smart by talking through the press...he is never going to get a long term contract. Ortiz is not a leader. He is another one that leads by his stats and when he is going good, he is good. When he is bad, he sulks. Just like anyone else i guess. I read an article and cant remember who said it, but it was mentioning who where the leaders on the Sox championship teams. Guys like Mirabelli, Kapler etc. reserve type players who did not play that often, but were the vocal guys in the clubhouse. Guy who would pick you up when you were down, or kick you in the arse when you needed it. Thats what this team lacked.

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    I think it was Schilling who said the things about Mirabelli and co being leaders. For an organization where the youngsters get training in how to handle the press when they move from Pawtucket to Boston, this sure is one crazy PR mess right now. As far as Ortiz goes, nothing new. He did the same thing last year, talking through the press, mentioning the Yankees etc to put the pressure on the FO to re-sign him to a big multiyear deal. It's not a very smart tactic in normal times but downright stupid right now.
    Watching Derek Jeter make 40 defensive plays and then watching Adam Everett make 40 defensive plays at the same position is sort of like watching video of Barbara Bush dancing at the White House, and then watching Demi Moore dancing in Striptease. (Bill James)

    Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power. If he can continue to hit .260 or so, he'll be useful, and he probably has a future as a backup infielder. (Keith Law)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therwil Flyer View Post
    I think it was Schilling who said the things about Mirabelli and co being leaders. For an organization where the youngsters get training in how to handle the press when they move from Pawtucket to Boston, this sure is one crazy PR mess right now. As far as Ortiz goes, nothing new. He did the same thing last year, talking through the press, mentioning the Yankees etc to put the pressure on the FO to re-sign him to a big multiyear deal. It's not a very smart tactic in normal times but downright stupid right now.
    right. especially the henry statement according crawford is terribly unprofessional. I understand that he is pissed that epstein left and wants to retiliate a little and this is OK. but with this statement he is hurting his own player and this is not OK. I believe him that he was against the crawford signing (I didn't like it too) but now the deal is done and such a comment is helping no one especially not crawford. A team owner simply can't comment on this publically.
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