Originally Posted by Blue387
That is Kaplan's opinion.
That is Kaplan's opinion.
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Nah. I think they are ready to win the World Series next year and every Cub fan knows it. Sveum should be feeling the pressure in Cubdom already.
I'm not really sure why we are having this conversation. You are, whether you will come out and admit it or not, advocating the Cubs punt the season.
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I told you that I don't expect them to win the WS. I believe they can have a competitive team. I do not see them reaching their full potential this year. I expect them to start building a roster/organization for sustained success. I find it interesting that you can misrepresent my position, yet you have ignored my question to you.
You find it interesting that I didn't answer whether the Cubs will reach their full potential next season? Why? What is the Cubs' full potential? They didn't get anybody and besides Brett Jackson they don't have anyone that needs developing right now.
How many wins do you think this competitive team will have in 2012?
Cubs got the Reds' 20th and 22nd rank prospect out of the Marshall deal. Dave Sappelt and Ronald Torreyes.
Sappelt played mostly CF in the minors with some LF and then played LF for the Reds last year. He's 24 yrs old and looks like he is at that point where he has to prove he can play in the bigs. Looks to me like a 4th OF'er.
Torreyes is a 19y old middle infielder who has 158 minor league games under his belt. Torched the rookie leagues in 2010 as a 17yr old and then torched A ball this year as an 18yr old. For some reason he didn't join the team until mid-June and thus got into only 68 or so games. He's a little dude with a lot of energy.
If I had to pick someone to like in this trade it would be Torreyes.
In other news Cubs signed Manny Corpse. Why, I do not know.
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You just can't answer the question, can you?
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maybe he doesn't care about being competitive?
I could imagine that epstein doesn't give a **** if the cubs win 70 or 85. epstein wants to make history and achieve the greatest achievement in sports: winning it all with the cubs.
if he can do this he is a baseball good. so I don't think epstein will do anything now that impairs the chance of winning it all in a couple of years. of course epstein also owes the fans a solid team but I imagine he only cares for one thing: that ******* throphy.
I'm sure he will still get some players but with any signing he will ask himself a question: will this signing now help me to win in 2015 (maybe the earliest they can be really competitive)?
that might also be the reason why they didn't go after albert. I mean he is great but a great player doesn't help the cards in 2012. they will need him in 2015 or 16. will albert still be great then?
Last edited by dominik; 12-23-2011 at 04:27 PM.
I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps, but the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time he’s clogging up the bases for somebody who can run. – Dusty Baker.
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Evaluating the Jed Hoyer era in San Diego:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-in-san-diego/
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Stats dont lie except def
Great article about Hoyer's tenure in SD but what he's already started on the Northside.
What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
It's now officially Doctor Bob Sacamento, D.C., C.S.C.S., and working on my D.A.B.C.O. (Diplomate American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics)Line Drive: .356
HBP: .342
Non-Intentional Walk: .315
Intentional Walk: .176
Outfield Fly: .035
Groundball: -.101
Bunts: -.103
Infield Fly: -.243
Strikeout: -.287
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Carlos Zambrano to the Marlins?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...zambrano-.html
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No longer a rumor and got a pitcher in return....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,6396252.story
Now this one was a bit easier because Ozzie wanted his buddy (CZ) on the Marlins most likely, but is it possible they could move Soriano, too?
Well, if they are willing to eat all of Soriano's contract like they basically were for the Zambrano trade then yes they can move Soriano.
If I had to choose between 18 million dollars for Zambrano or 18 million dollars for Chirs Volstad I'd choose Zambrano.
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I don't see much of an upside to this deal. Paying virtually all of Zambrano's salary gets us a subpar 5th starter with little if any upside? We probably would've done better to hang on to Z and try to flip him for something at the trade deadline.
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Zambrano was probably seen as a locker room/leadership issue. Particularly as they are bringing in younger people. Who wants to work around people like that anyway? That's why they are willing to grab Volstad.
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Volstad is a lot better than that.
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So the Cubs sign Maholm.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/99190...ul-maholm.html
What Will Theo Do? Is this a signing to give them a decent pitching staff so perhaps they can be competitive or is this a sign of Garza for draft pick moves?
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