8th Greatest 19th Century Hitter

[Bill Burgess]

Congratulations to Mike 'King' Kelly, for winning our 7th Greatest Hitter of the 19th Century! He won 3 of our 10 votes (30%). Pete Browning received 2 votes for 20%. Ross Barnes also received 2 votes (20%).

The 8th round for Greatest 19th Century Hitter is now open. It will close when we receive at least 15 voters.

1. Cap Anson
2. Dan Brouthers
3. Ed Delahanty
4. Roger Connor
5. Willie Keeler
6. Jesse Burkett
7. Mike 'King' Kelly
8.

As per our usual, please consider everything. Counting totals, peak, longevity, special skills, etc. Thanks, guys.

We are now ONLY voting for the 8th Greatest 19th Century Hitter.
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Form Chart:

Catchers:
Jack Clements, "Deacon" Jim McGuire, Moses Fleetwood Walker, Buck Ewing, Charlie Bennett, Charles "Pop" Snyder, Marty Bergen, Duke Farrell, John Warner, Moses Fleetwood Walker, Wilbert Robinson, Doc Bushong, Connie Mack.

1B
Joe Start, Charles Comiskey, Wes Fisler, Jake Beckley, Fred Tenney, Ed Konetchy, Dave Orr, Henry Larkin, Cal McVey

2B
Ross Barnes, Jack Burdock, Fred Pfeffer, Cupid Childs, Bid McPhee, Jimmy Williams, Fred Dunlap, Hardy Richardson, Sol White, Frank Grant, Bud Fowler, Gene DeMontreville, Bobby Lowe.

SS
George Wright, Ed McKean, John Montgomery Ward, Jack Glasscock, Herman Long, Hughie Jennings, George Davis, Bill Dahlen, Tommy Corcoran, Freddie Parent, Dickey Pearce

3B:
Ezra Sutton, Levi Meyerle, Bob Ferguson, Arlie Latham, Ned Williamson, John McGraw, Bill Nash, Jim Davis, Lave Cross, Denny Lyons, Deacon White, Jerry Denny, Bill Joyce, Levi Meyerle

LF
Harry Stovey, Jim O'Rourke, Tip O'Neill, Abner Dalrymple

CF:
Jimmie McAleer, Bill Lange, George Gore, Jimmy Ryan, Harry Wright, Paul Hines, Lip Pike, Tom Brown, George Van Haltren, Dummy Hoy, Billy Hamilton, Hugh Duffy, Ollie Pickering, Curt Welch, Dickey Johnson, Pete Browning, Mike Griffin

RF
Willie Keeler, Jimmy Fogarty, Sam Thompson, Mike Tiernan, Oyster Burns

[Bill Burgess]

Perhaps a little Form Chart might assist us. Visual Aids are nice. Here's a Form Chart that AstrosFan was so kind as to make for us all.
Elected candidates are high-lighted in red.

First	Last		PA	AB	BA+	OBP+	SLG+	ISO+	OPS+
Ross	Barnes		2506	2392	129.2	132.5	133.3	149.5	165.8
Pete	Browning	5315	4820	132.8	127.3	134.8	140.6	162.1
Sam	Thompson	6497	5984	119.7	111.8	134	173.1	145.8
Harry	Stovey		6832	6138	109.7	112.8	130.4	190.3	143.2
Billy	Hamilton	7544	6268	120.4	128.2	112.6	89.9	140.8
King	Kelly		6455	5894	115.4	116.6	121.3	137.8	137.8
George	Gore		6104	5357	113	122	113.3	113.9	135.2
John	McGraw		4894	3924	114.5	129.9	105.3	77.9	135.2
Jim	O'Rourke	9051	8505	116.8	113.8	119.5	127.9	133.3
Buck	Ewing		5764	5363	111	106.5	122.3	153.2	128.8
Jimmy	Ryan		9050	8164	108.2	107.5	115.8	137.2	123.3
Bill	Lange		3570	3195	110.3	109	114.2	125.8	123.2
Hugh	Duffy		7733	7042	111.7	106.7	115	124.4	121.7
Charlie	Bennett		4310	3821	97.4	109.3	109	141.5	118.2
Hughie	Jennings	5538	4904	109	110.6	106.7	99.7	117.3
Ned	Williamson	5082	4553	95.1	107.2	105.9	136.3	113.2

Relative ISO: Some 19th Century Hitters: Bold-faced already elected.

Harry Stovey 189
Dan Brouthers 178
Sam Thompson 174
Roger Connor 172
Ed Delahanty 166
Buck Ewing 154
Ross Barnes 150
Pete Browning 141
Mike 'King' Kelly 138
Jimmy Ryan 138
Ned Williamson 135
Bill Lange 126
Cap Anson 121
George Gore 114
Jesse Burkett 114
Herman Long 109
Hughie Jennings 101
Billy Hamilton 0.89
Willie Keeler 0.84
John McGraw 0.77

[Bill Burgess]

I think I'm going to go with King Kelly in this round.

Might I persuade anyone to consider voting in our other 19th Century polls?

7th Greatest 19th Century Player

12th Greatest 19th Century Pitcher

[PVNICK]

Pete Browning.

[PVNICK]

I think I'm going to go with King Kelly in this round.

Might I persuade anyone to consider voting in our other 19th Century polls?

7th Greatest 19th Century Player

12th Greatest 19th Century Pitcher

Wasn't King Kelly just elected?

[KCGHOST]

I'll go with the "Gladiator", Pete Browning.

[Bill Burgess]

Just added the poll. I apologize I forgot. Sorry, fellas.

[bluesky5]

Ross Barnes

[Bill Burgess]

I invite you to vote in the poll above.

[roenickstein]

Gotta go off the ballot on this one. I'm thinking Hall of Famer Joe Kelley needs a little love.

[Bill Burgess]

Added him. If anyone needs to add someone, please let me know.

[roenickstein]

I kind of lied about Joe Kelley. He's not #8. But he deserves to be on the ballot. I think I'm picking "sliding" Billy Hamilton. He has a .341 lifetime avg. Not too shabby.

[Bill Burgess]

Tsk, tsk. Liar, liar, pants on fire, hanging on the telephone wire. Not too big, not too small, just the size of a canon ball.

"My words fly up, my thoughts remain below.
Words without thoughts, never to Heaven go."---William Shakespeare

[roenickstein]

Haha! Don't think I've ever heard that one before. I have another request. George Davis is on the original ballot. But we're not able to vote on him yet. He's got solid numbers and he's a terrific defensive player at shortstop. Although, he does play half his career in the twentieth century. Does it matter?

[Bill Burgess]

Yes, I will uphold that. George Davis started in 1890. He split his career between 2 centuries, just like Cy Young.

I will add him.

[Bill Burgess]

If anyone would like a name to be added, assuming he is not a bum, just ask, and we will add him.