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    Reds BBF HOF project, round two

    This election will close on November 12, 2011, at 7:00 a.m EST.

    This is the second round for this franchise. The first round is here


    We inducted the following players:
    Johnny Bench
    Heinie Groh
    Barry Larkin
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Morgan
    Tony Perez
    Frank Robinson
    Pete Rose
    Edd Roush

    And the following contributors:
    Sparky Anderson
    Bill McKechnie
    Joe Nuxhall

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.



    CINCINNATI REDS - ROUND ONE

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1882 (AA from 1882-1889, NL since)
    - Former Locations/Names: Cincinnati Red Stockings (1882-1889); Cincinnati Redlegs (1954-1959)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 5 (1919, 1940, 1975, 1976, 1990)
    - Pennants: 10 (1882, 1919, 1939, 1940, 1961, 1970, 1972, 1975, 1976, 1990)
    - Division Titles: 9 (1970, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1995, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Players
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (12): Joey Votto (2010), Barry Larkin (1995), George Foster (1977), Joe Morgan (1976), Joe Morgan (1975), Pete Rose (1973), Johnny Bench (1972), Johnny Bench (1970), Frank Robinson (1961), Frank McCormick (1940), Bucky Walters (1939), Ernie Lombardi (1938)

    - Cy Young Recipients (0):

    - RoY Recipients (7): Scott Williamson (1999), Chris Sabo (1988), Pat Zachry (1976), Johnny Bench (1968), Tommy Helms (1966), Pete Rose (1963), Frank Robinson (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (1): Bucky Walters (1939)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Johnny Bench		14
    2	Pete Rose		13
    3	Barry Larkin		12
    4	Dave Concepcion		9
    t5	Frank McCormick		8
    t5	Joe Morgan		8
    t5	Frank Robinson		8
    8	Tony Perez		7
    t9	Ewell Blackwell		6
    t9	Paul Derringer		6
    t11	George Foster		5
    t11	Ernie Lombardi		5
    t11	Bob Purkey		5
    t11	Bucky Walters		5
    t15	Ed Bailey		4
    t15	Gus Bell		4
    t15	Leo Cardenas		4
    t15	Ted Kluszewski		4
    t15	Eddie Miller		4
    t15	Vada Pinson		4
    t15	Johnny Temple		4
    t15	Johnny Vander Meer	4
    t23	Sean Casey		3
    t23	Johnny Edwards		3
    t23	John Franco		3
    t23	Lonny Frey		3
    t23	Ken Griffey Sr		3
    t23	Ken Griffey Jr		3
    t23	Chris Sabo		3
    t23	Tom Seaver		3
    t23	Mario Soto		3
    t32	Clay Carroll		2
    t32	Eric Davis		2
    t32	Rob Dibble		2
    t32	Ival Goodman		2
    t32	Danny Graves		2
    t32	Tommy Helms		2
    t32	Bill Henry		2
    t32	Joey Jay		2
    t32	Eddie Kasko		2
    t32	Lee May			2	
    t32	Roy McMillan		2
    t32	Joe Nuxhall		2
    t32	Dave Parker		2
    t32	Johnny Wyrostek		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Player List
    The following is a list of retired players who with this franchise had at least 3,000 plate appearances (or 2,500 if predominantly played during the 19th Century), 1,000 innings pitched, or appeared as pitcher in 200 games. This list is purely meant as a guide for players who contributed to this franchise over some modicum of time, though players with this franchise not appearing on this list may still be considered by voters, as it is entirely possible that a player may have made a significant and lasting contribution to this franchise despite having a relatively short tenure with the franchise.

    Code:
    Players (106)
    Jake Beckley
    Gus Bell
    Johnny Bench
    Rube Benton
    Bob Bescher
    Jack Billingham
    Ewell Blackwell
    Pedro Borbon
    Ted Breitenstein
    Tom Browning
    Leo Cardenas
    Hick Carpenter
    Clay Carrol
    Sean Casey
    Dave Concepcion
    Tommy Corcoran
    Pop Corkhill
    Hughie Ortiz
    Jake Daubert
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    Rob Dibble
    Pete Donohue
    Dan Driessen
    Pat Duncan
    Frank Dwyer
    Bob Ewing
    George Foster
    John Franco
    Lonny Frey
    Benny Frey
    Cesar Geronimo
    Ival Goodman
    Danny Graves
    Ken Griffey Sr
    Ken Griffey Jr
    Heinie Groh
    Don Gullett
    Noodles Hahn
    Grady Hatton
    Tommy Helms
    Dick Hoblitzell
    Bug Holliday
    Dummy Hoy
    Miller Huggins
    Tom Hume
    Joey Jay
    Si Johnson
    Ted Kluszewski
    Ray Kolp
    Barry Larkin
    Arlie Latham
    Ernie Lombardi
    Red Lucas
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Lee May
    Jackie May
    Frank McCormick
    Roy McMillan
    Bid McPhee
    Dusty Miller
    Mike Mitchell
    Joe Morgan
    Hal Morris
    Tony Mullane
    Gary Nolan
    Fred Norman
    Joe Nuxhall
    Ron Oester
    Jim O’Toole
    Heinie Peitz
    Tony Perez
     Bill Phillips
    Vada Pinson
    Wally Post
    Ted Power
    Bob Purkey
    Ken Raffensberger
    John Reily
    Billy Rhines
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Frank Robinson
    Pete Rose
    Edd Roush
    Chris Sabo
    Reggie Sanders
    Pete Schneider
    Tom Seaver
    Germany Smith
    Mike Smith
    Mario Soto
    Harry Steinfeldt
    George Suggs
    Scott Sullivan
    Johnny Temple
    Fred Toney
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Farmer Vaughn
    Curt Walker
    Bucky Walters
    David Weathers
    Herm Wehmeier
    Will White
    Ivey Wingo
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Sparky Anderson		1450		.596	2		4		5
    Dusty Baker*		486		.500					1
    Bob Boone		428		.444
    Dave Bristol		565		.529
    Charles Comiskey	420		.495
    Chuck Dressen		498		.431
    Buck Ewing		708		.570
    Clark Griffith		472		.483
    Ned Hanlon		311		.428
    Jack Hendricks		924		.510
    Buck Herzog		401		.422
    Dan Howley		463		.383
    Fred Hutchinson		816		.544			1
    Davey Johnson		377		.543					1
    Joe Kelley		513		.545
    Christy Mathewson	346		.482
    Bill McKechnie		1386		.541	1		2
    Jack McKeon		551		.529
    John McNamara		524		.533					1
    Pat Moran		757		.564	1
    Jerry Narron		337		.467
    Lou Piniella		486		.525	1		1		1
    Pete Rose		786		.525
    Gus Schmelz		414		.581
    Luke Sewell		409		.426
    Pop Snyder		218		.648			1
    Birdie Tebbetts		730		.510
    
    * Current manager
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    My ballot:

    Players
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Frank Dwyer
    George Foster
    Lonny Frey
    Noodles Hahn
    Ted Kluszewski
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Tony Mullane
    Vada Pinson
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Bucky Walters
    Will White

    Contributors
    Bob Howsam
    Last edited by jalbright; 10-29-2011 at 01:47 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Players:

    Dave Concepcion

    Paul Derringer

    Frank Dwyer

    George Foster

    Lonny Frey

    Noodles Hahn

    Ted Kluszewski

    Dolf Luque

    Jim Maloney

    Tony Mullane

    Vada Pinson

    Jose Rijo

    Eppa Rixey

    Bucky Walters

    Will White

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    Players
    Dave Concepcion
    Paul Derringer
    Frank Dwyer
    George Foster
    Lonny Frey
    Noodles Hahn
    Red Lucas
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Tony Mullane
    Vada Pinson
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Bucky Walters
    Will White

    Contributors
    Fred Hutchinson
    John McNamara
    Pat Moran
    Lou Piniella
    Pop Snyder
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    Players:

    Ewell Blackwell
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    George Foster
    Noodles Hahn
    Charley Jones
    Ted Kluszewski
    Dolf Luque
    Vada Pinson
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Johnny Van der Meer
    Bucky Walters
    Will White

    Contributors:

    O.P. Caylor
    Bob Howsam
    Lou Pinella
    Pop Snyder

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    My ballot:

    Contributors
    Bob Howsam
    Davey Johnson
    Dave Johnson served as interim manager of the Nationals this season. Are we counting him as eligible? If so, I plan on adding him to my ballot.

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    If we knew he wasn't returning, I'd be inclined to say he was eligible. That isn't the case, so he's not. He's off my ballot.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    Players
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Frank Dwyer
    George Foster
    Lonny Frey
    Noodles Hahn
    Ted Kluszewski
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Tony Mullane
    Vada Pinson
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Bucky Walters
    Will White

    Contributors
    Powell Crosley Jr.
    August Hermann
    Bob Howsam

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    Ethan Allen
    Noodles Hahn
    Bubbles Hargrave
    Ernie Lombardi
    Red Lucas
    Dolf Luque
    Jerry Lynch
    Vada Pinson
    Bob Purkey
    Wally Post
    Eppa Rixey

    Contributors:
    Jim Brosnan
    Fred Hutchinson
    Last edited by westsidegrounds; 10-31-2011 at 03:27 PM.

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    Players
    Ed Bailey
    Ewell Blackwell
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    George Foster
    Lonny Frey
    Ted Kluszewski
    Ernie Lombardi
    Frank McCormick
    Vada Pinson
    Bob Purkey
    Jose Rijo
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Bucky Walters

    Contributors
    Marty Brennaman
    Powell Crosley
    Bob Howsam
    Fred Hutchinson
    Pat Moran
    Last edited by dgarza; 11-01-2011 at 05:42 AM.

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    Players
    Ewell Blackwell
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    Cesar Geronimo
    Ken Griffey, Jr.
    Ted Kluszewski
    Ernie Lombardi
    Frank McCormick
    Tony Mullane
    Vada Pinson
    Eppa Rixey
    Mario Soto
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Bucky Walters

    Contributors
    Marty Brennaman
    Powell Crosley Jr
    August Hermann
    Bob Howsam
    Lou Piniella

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    We've got eight votes so far. It looks like we'll have another round of player voting, but not another round of contributor voting.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jalbright View Post
    We've got eight votes so far. It looks like we'll have another round of player voting, but not another round of contributor voting.
    In that case, I would like to stump for a contributor - Bob Howsam, who is missing on a couple of ballots. He traded for Joe Morgan, Cesar Geronimo, Jack Billingham, and George Foster (among several other role players), hired Sparky Anderson, and served as general manager during 4 World Series trips (2 wins, 2 losses) in the 1970s.

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    Just giving the thread a bump with a bit under a week to go.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Players:

    Vada Pinson
    Ernie Lombardi
    Ewell Blackwell
    Dave Concepcion
    George Foster
    Eric Davis
    Ted Kluzewski
    Ken Griffey (Sr)
    Jose Rijo
    Joey Jay
    Gus Bell
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Eppa Rixey
    Ken Griffey (Jr)
    Lee May

    Contributors:

    Fred Hutshinson
    Marty Brenaman
    3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

    “I’m honored to go into the Baseball Hall of Fame with such a great group of men.” - Tom Glavine.

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    We're in the last day of this election.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    We had nine votes. No contributor could garner more than four votes, so we elected no one in that ballot, and that voting is concluded. On the player side, we had the following results, with those above the "============" line elected, and the rest not:

    9 Pinson, Vada
    8 Concepcion, Dave
    8 Rixey, Eppa
    7 Foster, George
    7 Kluszewski, Ted
    7 Rijo, Jose
    7 Walters, Bucky
    == ====================
    6 Davis, Eric
    6 Hahn, Noodles
    6 Luque, Dolf
    5 Derringer, Paul
    5 Frey, Lonny
    5 Mullane, Tony
    5 White, Will
    4 Blackwell, Ewell
    4 Dwyer, Frank
    4 Lombardi, Ernie
    4 Maloney, Jim
    4 Vander Meer, Johnny
    2 Griffey, Ken Jr
    2 Lucas, Red
    2 McCormick, Frank
    2 Purkey, Bob
    1 Allen, Ethan
    1 Bailey, Ed
    1 Bell, Gus
    1 Geronimo, Cesar
    1 Griffey, Ken Sr
    1 Hargrave, Bubbles
    1 Jay, Joey
    1 Jones, Charley
    1 Lynch, Jerry
    1 May, Lee
    1 Post, Wally
    1 Soto, Mario
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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