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    Quote Originally Posted by tradosaurus View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    Congrats to Chris.

    I'll be interested to see how this swing performs, because what I see in the clip is a very top-down swing. Notice how his hips haven't rotated at all at heel plant. It's almost as if his shoulders are pulling his hips around.
    Are there any game swing clips of him around? I can't imagine he's been as successful as he has with the swing we see here?

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    Hey XXXXXXXXX, I see from your private little playground site that you are now calling me a moron for this post. What a pathetic little world you live in, where you comb the web for all the sites you've been banned from and then insult everyone on your site.

    The only game swing I can find is this:


    What I don't see in the game swing that I see in the training one is the bulk of the upper body loading movement occurring AFTER toe touch. Nor do I see anywhere near as much of an exaggerated loading in the game swing.

    I have an idea... POST a game clip side by side with this training clip. I may be wrong, but I don't think they'd be the same. But I'm open for the test. Are YOU? Or are you only capable of slinging insults to everyone?
    Last edited by Cannonball; 02-05-2012 at 10:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songtitle View Post
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    All I know from watching several clips of Colabello is that he is a very fine hitter. Great rhthym and eye-hand coordination. Good size and bat speed. Nice balance. Solid concentration. No fear. The guy can hit.

    I assume his limitations in baseball lie elsewhere: fielding, running, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSandman View Post
    Hey XXXXXXX, I see from your private little playground site that you are now calling me a moron for this post. What a pathetic little world you live in, where you comb the web for all the sites you've been banned from and then insult everyone on your site.

    The only game swing I can find is this:


    What I don't see in the game swing that I see in the training one is the bulk of the upper body loading movement occurring AFTER toe touch. Nor do I see anywhere near as much of an exaggerated loading in the game swing.

    I have an idea... POST a game clip side by side with this training clip. I may be wrong, but I don't think they'd be the same. But I'm open for the test. Are YOU? Or are you only capable of slinging insults to everyone?
    That's a good looking swing. I notice it's from '08. If this is indicative of his current game swing he's in good shape. Was Tewks working with him then? If not I hope the game swing and cage swing aren't before and after swings. If so the A's coaches can help him find this stroke again. I wish CC luck as he pursues his dream of playing in the Show.
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    Thumbs down

    What a great little scam TM has going. He can post all the hitters he wants next to pros and despite obvious visual differences, he can simply claim that "They're identical under the hood"! Obviously, none of us can prove this, so he never has to concede on anything he ever says. Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post


    Do you see this as positive? Something you'd like to see end up in Torres' swing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    Do you see this as positive? Something you'd like to see end up in Torres' swing?
    No, this is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    No, this is terrible.
    What part(s) do you find objectionable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    What part(s) do you find objectionable?
    I answered that question 35 pages ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    I answered that question 35 pages ago.
    Is this the post where you summarized what you didn't like about his swing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris O'Leary View Post
    The way CC stops his back hip short in all of the clips, he HAS to push his hands forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudvnine View Post
    It's not the "when" of the hand action it the "how".

    Even the drill that BM posted showing the hand action is close, but not 100% yet. I spent two days with the person that created that drill a couple of days before it was filmed, so I know the thought process behind it, and what was trying to be accomplished.



    While at the time I thought is was excellent (and still do for certain scenarios), I now see it as still promoting "connection" that is too early in the process. If he were to add one more thing to the "hand action" in that drill, I think it would really set it apart from where it is now.
    Mud, sorry to bring up an old thread, but finally got around to reading the Whole thing. You mention adding one more thing to this drill with the "hand action". Can you explain what that is? If you rather shoot me a PM so as to not start up this thread again it would be appreciated.

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    Bumped this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobabalo View Post
    Again no offense…
    I think it's funny that you guys talk about it being a "bad swing", when it's produced .300+ seven straight years. Not to mention the fact you have seen a total of three swings I have ever taken, and two of them were in a cage. At the end of the day, in baseball, the proof is in the pudding…

    Before I say anything else, let me clarify that because I'm not really familiar with protocol on a site like this, I'm not trying to get personal, and I don't take anything personally that is stated. When you say "bad", it is truly only that, in your opinion, and clearly not in others, i.e. Tewks, Rich Gedman, Butch Hobson, Bill Buckner, Hal Lanier (and other managers and former Big Leaguers, I have played for or against) who put my name on the line-up card or voted for me for post-season awards. I appreciate the reference of being a good athlete, but I would venture to say there are plenty of guys in baseball that you would qualify as better athletes than me. Ultimately, in order to have prolonged success in baseball as a hitter, you have to be doing something right, and, not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I have done that. You might make your arguments that it is independent ball, or minor league baseball, or whatever, but let me just clarify that the best hitters in the world didn't hit .600 in the minors, or even .400, they hit right around what they hit in the big leagues, or sometimes, they even get better (i.e. Barry Bonds .303-minors, .298-bigs… Ryan Braun .313-minors, .312-bigs, Miguel Cabrera .286-minors, .317-bigs…)

    Lastly, when you say you see so many "bad swings" and guys having success with them, maybe that should be a sign that you could be looking at some checkpoints, that aren't necessarily the most important ones in the swing?

    Again, not to be too direct, I have read pretty much all of this thread (mainly because someone did a google search of me and told me they saw me being discussed on a forum… not cause Tewks told me to), and one thing I will tell you is that most of you discuss things in hitting that no one I have ever been around in baseball discusses. I know plenty of guys in the big leagues and minor leagues, and we talk hitting all the time. Rotation is something that is very rarely discussed. Physics are NEVER discussed. What is talked about is barrel path, staying in the zone as long as possible, timing, adjustability, and so on and so forth… not what physics will produce a 450 ft homerun on a pitch down the middle of the plate
    A post from Chris Colabello on this forum from a few years ago before he had ever signed a contract or played one inning of affiliated professional baseball (bold is mine).

    I went back and re-read this thread (a lot of reading) and there is a lot of good interesting stuff from Tewks, Colabello's hitting coach. Just FYI, given what Colabello (or Cobabalo as he calls himself) has accomplished against tremendous odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobabalo View Post
    I guess the only way we will find out is if someone let's me play in the Big Leagues, or he gets released and ends up in indy ball… Ultimately, the point of the comment had nothing to do with where I am versus where he is. It had to do with the implementation of the mechanics, or that's where I was going with it. It seems that you just took a little dig at me there, and that is just fine. I am comfortable in my own skin, know who I am as a player, and am confident about my ability to play this game.

    I have tremendous respect for anyone that plays in the Big Leagues and am not trying in any way to down play who he is. I received an email about winter ball in the Puerto Rican League, but unfortunately, it fell through. I was looking forward to the challenge.
    Another one.

    There was a lot of back and forth- disagreement- between Tewks and many others. Anyways, I threw in a couple of Colabello's posts (he only had 2 or 3 I think). It seems like he felt compelled to respond given that he (and Tewks) were being bashed a little.

    (The "he" in the above is Andres Torres, formerly (I think) of the Giants.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by omg View Post
    Another one.

    There was a lot of back and forth- disagreement- between Tewks and many others. Anyways, I threw in a couple of Colabello's posts (he only had 2 or 3 I think). It seems like he felt compelled to respond given that he (and Tewks) were being bashed a little.

    (The "he" in the above is Andres Torres, formerly (I think) of the Giants.)
    I too have re read thus entire thread twice now. There were a lot of nay sayers back then, not so much anymore. Success has a way of silencing the those that are critical of something they don't want to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    A few of the points of agreement here are quite valuable in terms of working with young hitters.

    Loading early & slow ... never cheating the load ... never being rushed ... that alone helps a lot of young hitters.

    Add to that the recommendation by Tewks & LC to not incorporate a 'pause' ... as LC wrote ... I keep my motor revved, with a "rolling start", so that when I step on the gas I don't spin my tires.

    JB's descriptions of the importance of getting the body moving forward are important ... hips move forward as the hands load rearward.
    So far this is a good highlight IMO

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    Yeah...I found the site after the 'good old days'....now more like this.....

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    Mud,
    If you could 'finish' your thoughts on this:
    Originally Posted by mudvnine

    It's not the "when" of the hand action it the "how".

    Even the drill that BM posted showing the hand action is close, but not 100% yet. I spent two days with the person that created that drill a couple of days before it was filmed, so I know the thought process behind it, and what was trying to be accomplished.

    While at the time I thought is was excellent (and still do for certain scenarios), I now see it as still promoting "connection" that is too early in the process. If he were to add one more thing to the "hand action" in that drill, I think it would really set it apart from where it is now.
    I'm guessing it may have the hands continuing 'loading' as the hips lead/rear leg IR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoonTime View Post
    Too funny! Shark!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdbass View Post
    Mud,
    If you could 'finish' your thoughts on this:



    I'm guessing it may have the hands continuing 'loading' as the hips lead/rear leg IR.
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