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    White Sox BBF franchise HOF, Round three

    This election will close on December 17, 2011, at 7:00 a.m EST.

    This is the second round for this franchise. The Second round is here.

    We inducted the following players:
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Harold Baines
    Eddie Collins
    George Davis
    Red Faber
    Carlton Fisk
    Nellie Fox
    Sherm Lollar
    Ted Lyons
    Minnie Minoso
    Billy Pierce
    Ray Schalk
    Frank Thomas
    Robin Ventura
    Ed Walsh
    Wilbur Wood

    Now the contributors: voting closed
    Charles Comiskey
    Al Lopez
    Bill Veeck

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.
    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1906, 1917, 2005)
    - Pennants: 6 (1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005)
    - Division Titles: 6 ((1983, 1993, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (4): Frank Thomas (1994), Frank Thomas (1993), Dick Allen (1972), Nellie Fox (1959)

    - Cy Young Recipients (3): Jack McDowell (1993) LaMarr Hoyt (1983), Early Wynn (1959)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Ozzie Guillen (1985), Ron Kittle (1983), Tommie Agee (1966), Gary Peters (1963), Don Schwall (1961), Luis Aparicio (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Nellie Fox		15
    2	Luis Aparicio		9
    3	Sherm Lollar		8
    t4	Luke Appling		7
    t4	Minnie Minoso		7
    t4	Billy Pierce		7
    t7	Frank Thomas		5
    t7	Early Wynn		5
    t9	Harold Baines		4
    t9	Mark Buehrle*		4
    t9	Chico Carrasquel	4
    t9	Carlton Fisk		4
    t9	Paul Konerko*		4
    t9	Magglio Ordonez*	4
    t15	Dick Allen		3
    t15	Ozzie Guillen		3
    t15	Jack McDowell		3
    t15	Al Simmons		3
    t15	Wilbur Wood		3
    t20	Tommie Agee		2
    t20	Ray Durham		2
    t20	Jimmy Dykes		2
    t20	Ferris Fain		2
    t20	Goose Gossage		2
    t20	Bobby Jenks*		2
    t20	Jim Landis		2
    t20	Thornton Lee		2
    t20	Chet Lemon		2
    t20	Esteban Loaiza		2
    t20	Carlos May		2
    t20	Gary Peters		2
    t20	Juan Pizarro		2
    t20	Eddie Robinson		2
    t20	Al Smith		2
    t20	Eddie Smith		2
    t20	Gerry Staley		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Bevington		437		.509
    Donie Bush		310		.384
    Nixey Callahan		648		.484
    Eddie Collins		336		.521
    Hugh Duffy		310		.477
    Jimmy Dykes		1850		.489
    Lew Fonseca		318		.380
    Jim Fregosi		419		.461
    Kid Gleason		759		.519	1		2
    Ozzie Guillen*		1135		.529	1		1		2
    Fielder Jones		739		.592	1		1
    Gene Lamont		468		.551					1
    Tony LaRussa^		1035		.506					1
    Al Lopez		1495		.564			1
    Ted Lyons		434		.430
    Jerry Manuel		515		.515					1
    Marty Marion		318		.565
    Paul Richards		774		.529
    Pants Rowland		591		.578
    Eddie Stanky		404		.511
    Chuck Tanner		818		.492
    Jeff Torborg		485		.515
    				
    * Current manager	
    ^ Currently managing another franchise
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    My ballot
    Alex Fernandez
    Joe Horlen
    Tommy John
    Willie Kamm
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Johnny Rigney
    Floyd Robinson
    Jim Scott
    Tommy Thomas
    Pete Ward
    Doc White
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    Players:

    Eddie Cicotte

    Shoeless Joe Jackson

    Tommy John

    Fielder Jones

    Willie Kamm

    Jim Landis

    Thorton Lee

    Chet Lemon

    Johnny Mostil

    Doc White

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    Players
    Eddie Cicotte
    Joe Jackson
    Tommy John
    Lance Johnson
    Fielder Jones
    Willie Kamm
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Gary Peters
    Frank Smith
    Pete Ward
    Doc White
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    Dick Allen
    Harry Hooper
    Tommy John
    Willie Kamm
    Chet Lemon
    Pete Ward
    Doc White

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    Ballot:

    Alex Fernandez
    Joe Horlen
    Fielder Jones
    Tommy John
    Willie Kamm
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Johnny Rigney
    Jim Scott
    Tommy Thomas
    Pete Ward
    Doc White

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    Players
    Dick Allen
    Chico Carrasquel
    Eddie Cicotte
    Ozzie Guillen
    LaMarr Hoyt
    Joe Jackson
    Tommy John
    Fielder Jones
    Chet Lemon
    Jack McDowell
    Doc White
    Early Wynn

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    Dick Allen
    Chico Carrasquel
    Bibb Falk
    Joel Horlen
    Frank Isbell
    Fielder Jones
    Willie Kamm
    Bill Melton
    Johnny Mostil
    Gary Peters
    Rip Radcliff
    Pete Ward
    Taffy Wright

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    Tommie Agee
    Dick Allen
    Chico Carrasque
    Eddie Cicotte
    Ozzie Guillen
    Fielder Jones
    Jim Kaat
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Jack McDowell
    Gary Peters
    Al Simmons
    Doc White
    Early Wynn

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    we're inside of three days left in this election.
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    just a reminder

    1901 - the Sox' first year as a major league franchise

    1971 - a Sox player leads the league in home runs for the very first time.

    Bill Melton, ladies and gentlemen.

    He never really recovered from a back injury the following season, but when he hung up his spikes he still held the record for career HR with the Sox.

    Bill Melton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsidegrounds View Post
    1901 - the Sox' first year as a major league franchise

    1971 - a Sox player leads the league in home runs for the very first time.

    Bill Melton, ladies and gentlemen.

    He never really recovered from a back injury the following season, but when he hung up his spikes he still held the record for career HR with the Sox.

    Bill Melton.
    Incredibly, the White Sox played 92 years without ever having a player hit 40 home runs in a season until Frank Thomas did it in 1993.
    "Only twice in my life has the hair on the back of my neck stood up straight. The first time was when I saw Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel. The second time was when I saw Sandy Koufax's fastball" - Al Campanis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
    Incredibly, the White Sox played 92 years without ever having a player hit 40 home runs in a season until Frank Thomas did it in 1993.
    Even more amazing is that only 4 guys in the franchise's history have hit 200 or more home runs with the team:

    Frank Thomas 448
    Paul Konerko 389
    Harold Baines 221
    Carlton Fisk 214

    That is very surprising for an AL franchise.

    Here is a list of their single season top hr totals:

    Code:
    Rank	Player	Home Runs	Year
    1.	Albert Belle	49	1998
    2.	Jermaine Dye	44	2006
    3.	Frank Thomas	43	2000
    4.	Frank Thomas	42	2003
     	Jim Thome	42	2006
    6.	Paul Konerko	41	2004
     	Frank Thomas	41	1993
    8.	Paul Konerko	40	2005
     	Frank Thomas	40	1995
     	Frank Thomas	40	1996
    On Bill Melton, he is in my queue if there is a round 4 for this franchise.

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    We had eight ballots for the only ballot we were running, the players. The results will support another player round. Those elected are above the "=============" line, and the rest are below it:

    7 Lemon, Chet
    7 White, Doc
    6 John, Tommy
    6 Jones, Fielder
    6 Kamm, Willie
    == ==============
    5 Landis, Jim
    5 Lee, Thornton
    5 McDowell, Jack
    5 Mostil, Johnny
    5 Ward, Pete
    4 Allen, Dick
    4 Cicotte, Eddie
    3 Carrasquel, Chico
    3 Horlen, Joe
    3 Jackson, Joe
    3 Peters, Gary
    2 Fernandez, Alex
    2 Guillen, Ozzie
    2 Rigney, Johnny
    2 Scott, Jim
    2 Thomas, Tommy
    2 Wynn, Early
    1 Agee, Tommie
    1 Falk, Bibb
    1 Hooper, Harry
    1 Hoyt, LaMarr
    1 Isbell, Frank
    1 Johnson, Lance
    1 Kaat, Jim
    1 Melton, Bill
    1 Radcliff, Rip
    1 Robinson, Floyd
    1 Simmons, Al
    1 Smith, Frank
    1 Wright, Taffy
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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