Last edited by SHOELESSJOE3; 02-25-2012 at 11:23 AM.
It could be greed, it could be pressure, it could be that enough is not enough. There are plenty of reasons people do what they do. We just can't always understand them because we're not in their shoes.
Not comparing Braun to Tiger Woods or Kobe Bryant, but if there's anything we've learned over the years, it's that the seemingly "nice" guys can have some real nasty skeletons in their closet.
"Hanging out with him sucks because all the women flock to him. Let's see, he's been on the cover of GQ, is rich and famous, hits for average and power and is a helluva nice guy." - Tim Raines on Derek Jeter
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"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein
"Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt
What's the rumpus?
A courier keeping it is not outside the chain of custody. A chain of custody simply means a chronological documentation concerning the handling of whatever good you are tracking. A courier taking it home doesn't break that chain. Him leaving it on a park bench while he catches a movie does. The CBA was written with rules with this expected outcome happening at times.
page 39 of the Joint Agreement:
Now then we don't know all of the information since none of this was supposed to get out to the public so the courier keeping it might not have anything to do with the case being overturned. Something else might have happened or the arbiter could have simply made a mistake. We don't really know.If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall
ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.
1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.
7. The Collector shall check the “FedEx” box in the section entitled “Specimen Bottles(s) Released to:” Absent unusual circumstances, the specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.
I have yet to hear what the "unusual circumstances" were that prevented the collector from submitting the samples to Fed Ex for 44 hours, when there is a 24/7 Fed Ex Office location less than 10 miles from the ballpark. I know it was the weekend, but the sample should have been stored until Monday under the controlled conditions at the Fed Ex location, not in this guy's refrigerator. And we only have his word for it that it even was in his refrigerator. The chain of custody needs to be tightened up if this is considered acceptable collection and shipping procedure.
Last edited by ol' aches and pains; 02-25-2012 at 03:40 PM.
What's the rumpus?
Steroids are going to be a part of baseball for the rest of time there is no getting around it. Guys are going to juice and maybe not to the point guys like Bonds and Sosa would, because now everyone knows it when they see it and therefore will be publicly inicted. But MLB obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Manny got his suspension reduced, because the union caimed he "served it by retiring (quitting)." Its freaking a joke. If MLB was serious they would fight these guys tooth and nail but THEY ARE NOT, more empty promises from the top. They can't even follow a due process. It is in the best interest of baseball as the poster sport for steroids and for its own personal self preservation to make sure guys get punished when they break rules. Its one thing when your fighting the union its another when you SUPPOSEDLY can't even hire someone who can move a cup of piss properly.
NO ONE IN BASEBALLS OFFICES GET ANY FLACK. Some random piss handler does? How often do these people lose piss tests? Guarantee not often, if ever. They happen to lose the most high profile piss they have? This reeks of serious freaking bullsh*t.
We all better get used to this because it is NEVER GOING AWAY.
Last edited by bluesky5; 02-25-2012 at 03:31 PM.
There is another 24/7 FedEx Kinkos near General Mitchell International Airport which is south of Milwaukee and would have been on the collector's way home from Miller Park to Kenosha.
You'd think that since his whole job is to collect samples and get them to FedEx that he would, you know, know the hours and locations of FedEx. I mean, as we have seen pointed out, this guy is apparently an expert pee cup holder and has been doing it for the NBA, NHL and MLB since 2005. With all that experience, you'd think he would know where all the nearest FedEx Kinkos are and when they are open.
I'd like to know why nobody at Major League Baseball, the courier agency or the doping lab in Montreal failed to notice that the sample was collected on October 1st, but the guy didn't drop it off at FedEx Kinkos and generate a tracking number until October 3rd. Surely that should have raised some red flags?
Last edited by KevinWI; 02-25-2012 at 03:58 PM.
Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern
1 - There are a few 24/7 FedEx Kinkos open in the Milwaukee Area, including another 10 miles from Miller Park and another near the airport on his way home.
2 - FedEx Kinkos is equipped to handle clinical samples. They do it all the time. Law enforcement agencies also use FedEx for shipping evidence in criminal cases. FedEx is able to ship a drug sample in a secure, climate controlled environment.
And has we've established, Mr. Dino Lasagna is an all-star urine cup collector, so he should of known those two facts rather than deciding to take Ryan Braun's urine home for 2 days.
And why are you giving the collector slack on this Ed? Everybody on this forum gives Selig, everybody in MLB and the players a hard time on PED use in the game, yet this collector who disappeared with a sample for 44 hours is given tons and tons of slack from the fans outside of Brewers fanbase.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/m...pension-022412''You have to ask yourself how ridiculous the argument is — particularly because athletes would much prefer to have their sample kept with the trained professional, hired by your union to maintain it and keep it secure rather than it being dropped off overnight at some random Mailbox Inc., in a strip mall waiting to be shipped out with a bunch of Christmas presents,'' Tygart said.
Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern