Ryan Braun busted for PED use; faces 50 day ban

[Rich the Giants fan]

Boggs had lasix for the sole purpose of improving his then 20/20 vision. It is 100% performance enhancing.

Lasik is legal in the United States and approved by Major League Baseball. That, sir, is the distinction.

[Los Bravos]

So now we're equating pain killers and anti-inflammatories with steroids? Where does it stop?

We always end up with this same utter nonsense every time the subject comes up.

[Rich the Giants fan]

So now we're equating pain killers and anti-inflammatories with steroids? Where does it stop? What about caffiene? Obviously a PED, right?

Apparently not until we've touched on legal eye surgeries.

[ol' aches and pains]

What about glasses, contacts, or lasik?

Caffeine is a stimulant and that's why it can get you in trouble with regards to drug testing. But it also dehydrates you...

Boggs had lasix for the sole purpose of improving his then 20/20 vision. It is 100% performance enhancing.

So if a player knows an umpire called a strike a ball should he call himself out and sit down?

So your criteria on what is good and bad is arbitrary?

I wonder what the % of pitchers using pain killers and anti-inflammatory medication is? Bloody sock anyone?

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It's just when you reach a certain amount. "A cup of coffee" is not going to be a problem. It's if you had 10 cups of coffee that you added additional caffiene to, then you might run into a problem..

Does this include just plain coffee?

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[SHOELESSJOE3]

So your criteria on what is good and bad is arbitrary?

Not what I said or meant Yankee.
The subject that came up was what about Lasik surgery................my answer if it's not banned and any player can use that, there can't be any problem.
Certainly can't be in the same class a PEDs which are banned.
Not sure I get your question.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

So if a player knows an umpire called a strike a ball should he call himself out and sit down?

Can we get serious.

[StanTheMan]

What about glasses, contacts, or lasik?

Performance enhancing along the lines of lifting weights and working out. Or fielding grounders and taking BP. All enhance performance, all perfectly acceptable, availiable to all players, nothing requiring secrecy, etc.

[Ace Venom]

I'm waiting for the days when cybernetics will give us better body parts than our natural limbs and organs. Couldn't a player opt to get artificial eyes that allow him to see better even without a medical need? Even if there was a medical need, would they be forced to get lesser implants so they wouldn't be given an unfair advantage? Here's the kicker. What if you could opt for implants that allow you to see in near infrared? What if you could upgrade your lungs and heart without consequences? It seems to me in that world, steroids would be regarded in that time much in the way we disregard greenies and cocaine now.

[CandlestickBum]

I'm waiting for the days when cybernetics will give us better body parts than our natural limbs and organs. .

Depending on your definition, tomorrow is here today.

Lasik, various eye implants, surgery that results in stronger tendons.

[NJYankeeFan]

Lasik is legal in the United States and approved by Major League Baseball. That, sir, is the distinction.

Ooh. So it is arbitrary. Ok.

[NJYankeeFan]

Not what I said or meant Yankee.
The subject that came up was what about Lasik surgery................my answer if it's not banned and any player can use that, there can't be any problem.
Certainly can't be in the same class a PEDs which are banned.
Not sure I get your question.

They are Ped's just some get clearance some don't. Some have gotten winks in the past. Like don't do this but if you do we will pay you more.

As has been pointed out the legal Peds are just as dangerous or moreso than the illegal ones.

So why?

[NJYankeeFan]

Can we get serious.

Why? Golfers are supposed to do that.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Why? Golfers are supposed to do that.

Don't understand this reply. You spoke about an ump calling a pitch a ball and the batter knowing it was a strike should
sit down and call himself out, your post #638. Thats what you said, my reply............can we get serious.
Now you say golfers are supposed to do that
I don''t get your reply at all.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

They are Ped's just some get clearance some don't. Some have gotten winks in the past. Like don't do this but if you do we will pay you more.

As has been pointed out the legal Peds are just as dangerous or moreso than the illegal ones.

So why?

If MLB allows anything for treating an injury then it can't be banned, your saying it's legal.
Your stretching this one out.................there is no problem with using any substance that is not banned, where are we going with this one.It's simple to understand.

[ol' aches and pains]

Don't understand this reply. You spoke about an ump calling a pitch a ball and the batter knowing it was a strike should
sit down and call himself out, your post #638. Thats what you said, my reply............can we get serious.
Now you say golfers are supposed to do that
I don''t get your reply at all.

Joe, I believe (not sure, because I never played golf) he means golfers are on an "honor system", they have to police themselves on the course and deduct a stroke for any of the various rule infractions tha might occur. Apparently he thinks baseball should adopt this system. Not necessary, as baseball has four umpires on the field, while golfers are on thir own.