Originally posted by KevinWI
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Ryan Braun busted for PED use; faces 50 day ban
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Mike Hopper
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Originally posted by Paulypal View PostMy opinion on Braun... Well its one or the other. Either he was juicing from day 1 or the drug test was a false positive.
Originally posted by KevinWI View PostI don't understand why a business-minded image-conscious talented ballplayer who would have everything to lose by a positive PED test would even risk it. He's also a young guy who saw what the cloud of PEDs did to Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, A-Rod, etc. There's no reason for him to use performance enhancing drugs and granted I don't know him personally, but I just see nothing in his character that would pin him as somebody likely to cheat.
It could be greed, it could be pressure, it could be that enough is not enough. There are plenty of reasons people do what they do. We just can't always understand them because we're not in their shoes.
Not comparing Braun to Tiger Woods or Kobe Bryant, but if there's anything we've learned over the years, it's that the seemingly "nice" guys can have some real nasty skeletons in their closet.Religion: Yankeeist
"Hanging out with him sucks because all the women flock to him. Let's see, he's been on the cover of GQ, is rich and famous, hits for average and power and is a helluva nice guy." - Tim Raines on Derek Jeter
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Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View PostI think Ed's too far out with that............almost every MLB player, thats what he's saying.That takes in lots of players.San Francisco Giants, World Series Champions in 2010, 2012, and 2014!!!
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts" ~ Albert Einstein
"Royals wear crowns, but Champions Kiss the Ring" ~ Jeremy Affeldt
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Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View PostFrom the sounds of it, it was standard procedure for collectors to take samples home when a FedEx wasn't immediately available. Perhaps that wasn't the case in this instance, but it sounds like this wasn't the first time a sample was taken home for the night.They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.
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A courier keeping it is not outside the chain of custody. A chain of custody simply means a chronological documentation concerning the handling of whatever good you are tracking. A courier taking it home doesn't break that chain. Him leaving it on a park bench while he catches a movie does. The CBA was written with rules with this expected outcome happening at times.
page 39 of the Joint Agreement:
If the specimen is not immediately prepared for shipment, the Collector shall
ensure that it is appropriately safeguarded during temporary storage.
1. The Collector must keep the chain of custody intact.
2. The Collector must store the samples in a cool and secure location.
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Originally posted by Ubiquitous View PostA courier keeping it is not outside the chain of custody. A chain of custody simply means a chronological documentation concerning the handling of whatever good you are tracking. A courier taking it home doesn't break that chain. Him leaving it on a park bench while he catches a movie does. The CBA was written with rules with this expected outcome happening at times.
page 39 of the Joint Agreement:
Now then we don't know all of the information since none of this was supposed to get out to the public so the courier keeping it might not have anything to do with the case being overturned. Something else might have happened or the arbiter could have simply made a mistake. We don't really know.
7. The Collector shall check the “FedEx” box in the section entitled “Specimen Bottles(s) Released to:” Absent unusual circumstances, the specimens should be sent by FedEx to the Laboratory on the same day they are collected.
I have yet to hear what the "unusual circumstances" were that prevented the collector from submitting the samples to Fed Ex for 44 hours, when there is a 24/7 Fed Ex Office location less than 10 miles from the ballpark. I know it was the weekend, but the sample should have been stored until Monday under the controlled conditions at the Fed Ex location, not in this guy's refrigerator. And we only have his word for it that it even was in his refrigerator. The chain of custody needs to be tightened up if this is considered acceptable collection and shipping procedure.Last edited by ol' aches and pains; 02-25-2012, 03:40 PM.They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.
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Steroids are going to be a part of baseball for the rest of time there is no getting around it. Guys are going to juice and maybe not to the point guys like Bonds and Sosa would, because now everyone knows it when they see it and therefore will be publicly inicted. But MLB obviously isn't going to do anything about it. Manny got his suspension reduced, because the union caimed he "served it by retiring (quitting)." Its freaking a joke. If MLB was serious they would fight these guys tooth and nail but THEY ARE NOT, more empty promises from the top. They can't even follow a due process. It is in the best interest of baseball as the poster sport for steroids and for its own personal self preservation to make sure guys get punished when they break rules. Its one thing when your fighting the union its another when you SUPPOSEDLY can't even hire someone who can move a cup of piss properly.
NO ONE IN BASEBALLS OFFICES GET ANY FLACK. Some random piss handler does? How often do these people lose piss tests? Guarantee not often, if ever. They happen to lose the most high profile piss they have? This reeks of serious freaking bullsh*t.
We all better get used to this because it is NEVER GOING AWAY.Last edited by bluesky5; 02-25-2012, 03:31 PM."No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”
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Originally posted by SHOELESSJOE3 View PostI think Ed's too far out with that............almost every MLB player, thats what he's saying.That takes in lots of players.
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Originally posted by Rich the Giants fan View PostI agree. I'd even go so far as to say I suspect PED usage occured even further back than that. Tom House, for one, has admitted using steroids as far back as the 60's.
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Originally posted by RubeBaker View PostI doubt its that cut and dry. It could be that he signed that enormous contract and felt pressured to keep performing at a high level, a la A-Rod.
By the way the quote in your signature box was written by a genius.
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Originally posted by Bulldog19 View PostI see he's got a lot more professional credentials than you. Time for you to grow up and move on. Brewers gonna get 3rd, 4th place in the division this year? All of MLB conspiring against the drunks from up north?
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Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View PostI thought Fed Ex was immediately available. The Fed Ex Office location at 17925 W Bluemound Rd, Brookfield, Wi. is less than 10 miles from Miller Park, and open 24/7. Whether or not Braun is guilty, I find it unacceptable for the sample to be outside the chain of custody for 44 hours, or for one hour. The system has to be unimpeachable, they're dealing with people's livelihoods and reputations. What is the point of making a grown man urinate in a cup under the watchfull eye of the collector, if the collector is going to take the sample home for the weekend?
There is another 24/7 FedEx Kinkos near General Mitchell International Airport which is south of Milwaukee and would have been on the collector's way home from Miller Park to Kenosha.
You'd think that since his whole job is to collect samples and get them to FedEx that he would, you know, know the hours and locations of FedEx. I mean, as we have seen pointed out, this guy is apparently an expert pee cup holder and has been doing it for the NBA, NHL and MLB since 2005. With all that experience, you'd think he would know where all the nearest FedEx Kinkos are and when they are open.
I'd like to know why nobody at Major League Baseball, the courier agency or the doping lab in Montreal failed to notice that the sample was collected on October 1st, but the guy didn't drop it off at FedEx Kinkos and generate a tracking number until October 3rd. Surely that should have raised some red flags?Last edited by KevinWI; 02-25-2012, 03:58 PM.
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Originally posted by KevinWI View PostYou'd think that since his whole job is to collect samples and get them to FedEx that he would, you know, know the hours and locations of FedEx. I mean, as we have seen pointed out, this guy is apparently an expert pee cup holder and has been doing it for the NBA, NHL and MLB since 2005. With all that experience, you'd think he would know where all the nearest FedEx Kinkos are and when they are open.
Have we heard from the guy yet? Or are we just going to have Braun and his fanboys accusing him of wrongdoing?Mike Hopper
Former Gateway Grizzlies Intern
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Originally posted by Bulldog19 View PostAnd I'm sure Ryan Braun is the first big name player he's been involved with collecting their urine sample so he just had to become famous by tainting it...
Originally posted by Bulldog19 View PostHave we heard from the guy yet? Or are we just going to have Braun and his fanboys accusing him of wrongdoing?
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