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    Ranking the HoF Players: 91-95

    Project Summary: To rank the worthiness of the players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame from most worthy to least worthy.

    Election Format: Voters will submit ballots ranking their 10 most worthy remaining Hall of Fame players in order of worthiness. Each first place vote will be worth 10 points, with each successive rank being worth one point less than the previous rank, ending in a tenth place vote being worth 1 point. Players will also receive one additional point for each ballot they are listed on and players must be listed on at least three ballots in order to be elected. The five players with the highest support at the end of each election will be elected in the order of their support. Elections will last approximately seven days.
    - Tiebreakers: In the event of a tie among players at the end of an election, the first tiebreaker will be the total number of ballot appearance in that election. The second tiebreaker will be total number of points irrespective of number of ballots. The third tiebreaker will be the number first place votes in that election. In the event that there remains a tie for the fifth and final spot in an election, there will be a three day run-off by poll. Players that lose in a run-off will slot into the next ranking spot.

    Factors to Consider: As this project focuses on players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, subjective qualities beyond just statistics should be taken into consideration in determining a player's relative worthiness. In that vein, the voting guidelines that the BBWAA is to follow in actual National Baseball Hall of Fame elections, may be instructive (though not necessarily determinative in this project): "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

    Player Eligibility: Only players that have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame as players are eligible, including Negro League players and 19th Century players. A complete list of individuals that have been inducted as players is available at the National Baseball Hall of Fame's website, and is recreated below along with each player's corresponding BBF Rank as determined by this project:

    Results
    1) Babe Ruth
    2) Willie Mays
    3) Ty Cobb
    4) Ted Williams
    5) Hank Aaron
    6) Honus Wagner
    7) Walter Johnson
    8) Lou Gehrig
    9) Cy Young
    10) Stan Musial
    11) Mickey Mantle
    12) Rogers Hornsby
    13) Jackie Robinson
    14) Tris Speaker
    15) Josh Gibson
    16) Eddie Collins
    17) Satchel Paige
    18) Grover Alexander
    19) Frank Robinson
    20) Joe DiMaggio
    21) Oscar Charleston
    22) Mike Schmidt
    23) Lefty Grove
    24) Tom Seaver
    25) Cap Anson
    26) Christy Mathewson
    27) Rickey Henderson
    28) Jimmie Foxx
    29) Nap Lajoie
    30) Joe Morgan
    31) Johnny Bench
    32) Mel Ott
    33) Warren Spahn
    34) Yogi Berra
    35) Cal Ripken
    36) George Brett
    37) Pop Lloyd
    38) Kid Nichols
    39) Eddie Mathews
    40) Bob Feller
    41) Roberto Clemente
    42) Bob Gibson
    43) Joe Williams
    44) Carl Yastrzemski
    45) Hank Greenberg
    46) Dan Brouthers
    47) Steve Carlton
    48) Sandy Koufax
    49) Ed Delahanty
    50) Johnny Mize
    51) Al Kaline
    52) Turkey Stearnes
    53) Wade Boggs
    54) Charlie Gehringer
    55) Mickey Cochrane
    56) Reggie Jackson
    57) Arky Vaughan
    58) Roger Connor
    59) Nolan Ryan
    60) Robin Yount
    61) Rod Carew
    62) Tony Gwynn
    63) Carl Hubbell
    64) Roy Campanella
    65) Ernie Banks
    66) Sam Crawford
    67) Duke Snider
    68) George Davis
    69) King Kelly
    70) John Ward
    71) Eddie Murray
    72) Bullet Rogan
    73) Harmon Killebrew
    74) Buck Ewing
    75) Billy Hamilton
    76) Gaylord Perry
    77) Carlton Fisk
    78) Paul Waner
    79) Juan Marichal
    80) Al Simmons
    81) John Clarkson
    82) Martin Dihigo
    83) Robin Roberts
    84) Willie McCovey
    85) Frankie Frisch
    86) Phil Niekro
    87) Eddie Plank
    88) Gary Carter
    89) Whitey Ford
    90) Tim Keefe

    Master List
    Code:
    Player				BBF Rank
    Hank Aaron			5
    Grover Alexander		18
    Roberto Alomar
    Cap Anson			25
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Richie Ashburn
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker
    Dave Bancroft
    Ernie Banks			65
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell
    Johnny Bench			31
    Chief Bender
    Yogi Berra			34
    Bert Blyleven
    Wade Boggs			53
    Jim Bottomley
    Lou Boudreau
    Roger Bresnahan
    George Brett			36
    Lou Brock
    Dan Brouthers			46
    Mordecai Brown
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Jim Bunning
    Jesse Burkett
    Roy Campanella			64
    Rod Carew			61
    Max Carey
    Steve Carlton			47
    Gary Carter			88
    Orlando Cepeda
    Frank Chance
    Oscar Charleston		21
    Jack Chesbro
    Fred Clarke
    John Clarkson			81
    Roberto Clemente		41
    Ty Cobb				3
    Mickey Cochrane			55
    Eddie Collins			16
    Jimmy Collins
    Earle Combs
    Roger Connor			58
    Andy Cooper
    Stan Coveleski
    Sam Crawford			66
    Joe Cronin
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    George Davis			68
    Andre Dawson
    Leon Day
    Dizzy Dean
    Ed Delahanty			49
    Bill Dickey
    Martin Dihigo			82
    Joe DiMaggio			20
    Larry Doby
    Bobby Doerr
    Don Drysdale
    Hugh Duffy
    Dennis Eckersley
    Johnny Evers
    Buck Ewing			74
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller			40
    Rick Ferrell
    Rollie Fingers
    Carlton Fisk			77
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford			89
    Bill Foster
    Nellie Fox
    Jimmie Foxx			28
    Frankie Frisch			85
    Pud Galvin
    Lou Gehrig			8
    Charlie Gehringer		54
    Bob Gibson			42
    Josh Gibson			15
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon
    Goose Goslin
    Rich Gossage
    Frank Grant
    Hank Greenberg			45
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove			23
    Tony Gwynn			62
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Billy Hamilton			75
    Gabby Hartnett
    Harry Heilmann
    Rickey Henderson		27
    Billy Herman
    Pete Hill
    Harry Hooper
    Rogers Hornsby			12
    Waite Hoyt
    Carl Hubbell			63
    Catfish Hunter
    Monte Irvin
    Reggie Jackson			56
    Travis Jackson	
    Ferguson Jenkins
    Hugh Jennings
    Judy Johnson
    Walter Johnson			7
    Addie Joss
    Al Kaline			51
    Tim Keefe			90
    Willie Keeler
    George Kell
    Joe Kelley
    George Kelly
    King Kelly			69
    Harmon Killebrew		73
    Ralph Kiner
    Chuck Klein
    Sandy Koufax			48
    Nap Lajoie			29
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bob Lemon
    Buck Leonard
    Freddie Lindstrom
    Pop Lloyd			37
    Ernie Lombard
    Ted Lyons
    Biz Mackey
    Mickey Mantle			11
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Juan Marichal			79
    Rube Marquard
    Eddie Mathews			39
    Christy Mathewson		26
    Willie Mays			2
    Bill Mazeroski
    Tommy McCarthy
    Willie McCovey			84
    Joe McGinnity
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Medwick
    Jose Mendez
    Johnny Mize			50
    Paul Molitor
    Joe Morgan			30
    Eddie Murray			71
    Stan Musial			10
    Hal Newhouser
    Kid Nichols			38
    Phil Niekro			86
    Jim O’Rourke
    Mel Ott				32
    Satchel Paige			17
    Jim Palmer
    Herb Pennock
    Tony Perez
    Gaylord Perry			76
    Eddie Plank			87
    Kirby Puckett
    Charles Radbourn
    Pee Wee Reese
    Jim Rice
    Sam Rice
    Cal Ripken			35
    Eppa Rixey
    Phil Rizzuto
    Robin Roberts			83
    Brooks Robinson
    Frank Robinson			19
    Jackie Robinson			13
    Bullet Rogan			72
    Edd Roush
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth			1
    Nolan Ryan			59
    Ryne Sandberg
    Ron Santo
    Louis Santop
    Ray Schalk
    Mike Schmidt			22
    Red Schoendienst
    Tom Seaver			24
    Joe Sewell
    Al Simmons			80
    George Sisler
    Enos Slaughter
    Hilton Smith
    Ozzie Smith
    Duke Snider			67
    Warren Spahn			33
    Tris Speaker			14
    Willie Stargell
    Turkey Stearnes			52
    Bruce Sutter
    Mule Suttles
    Don Sutton
    Ben Taylor
    Bill Terry
    Sam Thompson
    Joe Tinker
    Cristobal Torriente
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance
    Arky Vaughan			57
    Rube Waddell
    Honus Wagner			6
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh
    Lloyd Waner
    Paul Waner			78
    John Ward			70
    Mickey Welch
    Willie Wells
    Zack Wheat
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Billy Williams
    Joe Williams			43
    Ted Williams			4
    Vic Willis
    Hack Wilson
    Jud Wilson
    Dave Winfield
    Early Wynn
    Carl Yastrzemski		44
    Cy Young			9
    Ross Youngs
    Robin Yount			60
    Ranking by Primary Position
    Catcher (8): Josh Gibson (15), Johnny Bench (31), Yogi Berra (34), Mickey Cochrane (55), Roy Campanella (64), Buck Ewing (74), Carlton Fisk (77), Gary Carter (88)

    First Base (10): Lou Gehrig (8), Cap Anson (25), Jimmie Foxx (28), Hank Greenberg (45), Dan Brouthers (46), Johnny Mize (50), Roger Connor (58), Eddie Murray (71), Harmon Killebrew (73), Willie McCovey (84)

    Second Base (8): Rogers Hornsby (12), Jackie Robinson (13), Eddie Collins (16), Nap Lajoie (29), Joe Morgan (30), Charlie Gehringer (54), Rod Carew (61), Frankie Frisch (85)

    Shortstop (8): Honus Wagner (6), Cal Ripken (35), Pop Lloyd (37), Arky Vaughan (57), Robin Yount (60), Ernie Banks (65), George Davis (68), John Ward (70)

    Third Base (4): Mike Schmidt (22), George Brett (36), Eddie Mathews (39), Wade Boggs (53)

    Left Field (6): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Rickey Henderson (27), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Ed Delahanty (49), Al Simmons (80)

    Center Field (9): Willie Mays (2), Ty Cobb (3), Mickey Mantle (11), Tris Speaker (14), Joe DiMaggio (20), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Duke Snider (67), Billy Hamilton (75)

    Right Field (11): Babe Ruth (1), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Mel Ott (32), Roberto Clemente (41), Al Kaline (51), Reggie Jackson (56), Tony Gwynn (62), Sam Crawford (66), King Kelly (69), Paul Waner (78)

    Pitcher (26): Walter Johnson (7), Cy Young (9), Satchel Paige (17), Grover Alexander (18), Lefty Grove (23), Tom Seaver (24), Christy Mathewson (26), Warren Spahn (33), Kid Nichols (38), Bob Feller (40), Bob Gibson (42), Joe Williams (43), Steve Carlton (47), Sandy Koufax (48), Nolan Ryan (59), Carl Hubbell (63), Bullet Rogan (72), Gaylord Perry (76), Juan Marichal (79), John Clarkson (81), Martin Dihigo (82), Robin Roberts (83), Phil Niekro (86), Eddie Plank (87), Whitey Ford (89), Tim Keefe (90)

    Ranking by Primary Decade
    1880s (8): Cap Anson (25), Dan Brouthers (46), Roger Connor (58), King Kelly (69), John Ward (70), Buck Ewing (74), John Clarkson (81), Tim Keefe (90)

    1890s (5): Cy Young (9), Kid Nichols (38), Ed Delahanty (49), George Davis (68), Billy Hamilton (75)

    1900 (5): Honus Wagner (6), Christy Mathewson (26), Nap Lajoie (29), Sam Crawford (66), Eddie Plank (87)

    1910s (7): Ty Cobb (3), Walter Johnson (7), Tris Speaker (14), Eddie Collins (16), Grover Alexander (18), Pop Lloyd (37), Joe Williams (43)

    1920s (6): Babe Ruth (1), Rogers Hornsby (12), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Bullet Rogan (72), Frankie Frisch (85)

    1930s (14): Lou Gehrig (8), Josh Gibson (15), Satchel Paige (17), Lefty Grove (23), Jimmie Foxx (28), Mel Ott (32), Hank Greenberg (45), Charlie Gehringer (54), Mickey Cochrane (55), Arky Vaughan (57), Carl Hubbell (63), Paul Waner (78), Al Simmons (80), Martin Dihigo (82)

    1940s (5): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Joe DiMaggio (20), Bob Feller (40), Johnny Mize (50)

    1950s (9): Mickey Mantle (11), Jackie Robinson (13), Warren Spahn (33), Yogi Berra (34), Eddie Mathews (39), Roy Campanella (64), Duke Snider (67), Robin Roberts (83), Whitey Ford (89)

    1960s (11): Willie Mays (2), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Roberto Clemente (41), Bob Gibson (42), Sandy Koufax (48), Al Kaline (51), Ernie Banks (65), Harmon Killebrew (73), Juan Marichal (79), Willie McCovey (84)

    1970s (11): Tom Seaver (24), Joe Morgan (30), Johnny Bench (31), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Steve Carlton (47), Reggie Jackson (56), Nolan Ryan (59), Rod Carew (61), Gaylord Perry (76), Carlton Fisk (77), Phil Niekro (86)

    1980s (8): Mike Schmidt (22), Rickey Henderson (27), Cal Ripken (35), George Brett (36), Wade Boggs (53), Robin Yount (60), Eddie Murray (71), Gary Carter (88)

    1990s (1): Tony Gwynn (62)

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    1) Mordecai Brown
    2) Willie Stargell
    3) Jess Burkett
    4) Buck Leonard
    5) Jim Palmer
    6) Brooks Robinson
    7) Harry Heilmann
    8) Joe Cronin
    9) Ed Walsh
    10) Luke Appling

    Possible next 10: Frank Baker, Bert Blyleven, Fred Clarke, Bill Dickey, Gabby Hartnett, Jim O'Rourke, Ron Santo, Mule Suttles, Hoyt Wilhelm, Dave Winfield

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    1. Buck Leonard - 10
    2. Bill Dickey - 9
    3. Willie Stargell - 8
    4. Brooks Robinson - 7
    5. Frank Baker - 6
    6. Ozzie Smith - 5
    7. Harry Heilmann - 4
    8. George Sisler - 3
    9. Luke Appling - 2
    10. Mule Suttles - 1

    coming sooner or later: Winfield, Hartnett, Keeler, Terry, Molitor, Galvin, Clarke

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    1. Willie Stargell
    2. Ferguson Jenkins
    3. Cool Papa Bell
    4. Dave Winfield
    5. Jim Palmer
    6. Mordecai Brown
    7. Brooks Robinson
    8. Bill Dickey
    9. George Sisler
    10. Bert Blyleven
    3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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  5. #5
    1. Brooks Robinson
    2. Frank Baker
    3. Luke Appling
    4. Joe Cronin
    5. Willie Stargell
    6. Hoyt Wilhelm
    7. Ozzie Smith
    8. Fred Clarke
    9. Bill Dickey
    10. Jim O'Rourke

    I'm really emphasizing 2 3Bmen here in Robinson and Baker. Are there really only 4 3Bmen in the history of the game worthy of the top 100? Maybe 3B really was/is a dumping ground for lesser athletes or maybe we don't have a good grasp on what makes a good 3Bman since we they seem to do poorly in every project.

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    1. Mordecai Brown
    2. Luke Appling
    3. Buck Leonard
    4. Harry Heilmann
    5. Jud Wilson
    6. Brooks Robinson
    7. Dave Winfield
    8. Fergie Jenkins
    9. Bill Dickey
    10. Joe Medwick

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    01. Buck Leonard
    02. Mordecai Brown
    03. Fergie Jenkins
    04. Joe Cronin
    05. Jim Palmer
    06. Willie Stargell
    07. Luke Appling
    08. Frank Baker
    09. Brooks Robinson
    10. Bill Dickey

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    1. Bert Blyleven
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    3. Jud Wilson
    4. Monte Irvin
    5. Mule Suttles
    6. Home Run Baker
    7. Ron Santo
    8. Harry Heilmann
    9. Luke Appling
    10. Old Hoss Radbourn
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    1. Fred Clarke (10)
    2. Mordecai Brown (9)
    3. Joe Cronin (8)
    4. Jim Palmer (7)
    5. Frank Baker (6)
    6. Ed Walsh (5)
    7. Willie Wells (4)
    8. Mule Suttles (3)
    9. Bert Blyleven (2)
    10. Jesse Burkett (1)
    Fergie Jenkins
    Cristobal Torriente
    Buck Leonard
    Gabby Hartnett
    Paul Molitor
    Cool Papa Bell
    Bill Dickey
    Luke Appling
    Brooks Robinson
    Ryne Sandberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    1. Brooks Robinson
    2. Frank Baker
    3. Luke Appling
    4. Joe Cronin
    5. Willie Stargell
    6. Hoyt Wilhelm
    7. Ozzie Smith
    8. Fred Clarke
    9. Bill Dickey
    10. Jim O'Rourke

    I'm really emphasizing 2 3Bmen here in Robinson and Baker. Are there really only 4 3Bmen in the history of the game worthy of the top 100? Maybe 3B really was/is a dumping ground for lesser athletes or maybe we don't have a good grasp on what makes a good 3Bman since we they seem to do poorly in every project.
    Do you think this poor showing by 3B in "our" polls justifies or maybe the word is validates the relatively few 3B in Cooperstwon? On thing that came to mind is maybe it was sort of where you stuck the guys that couldn't field well enough to play CF, 2B or SS but not hit well enough to play 1B or COF. A position for competent fielding #7 hitters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PVNICK View Post
    Do you think this poor showing by 3B in "our" polls justifies or maybe the word is validates the relatively few 3B in Cooperstwon? On thing that came to mind is maybe it was sort of where you stuck the guys that couldn't field well enough to play CF, 2B or SS but not hit well enough to play 1B or COF. A position for competent fielding #7 hitters?
    Given the volume of 3Bmen who are borderline/gray area on the outside looking in, I'm starting to think that this is the case. I always throught of 1B as a dumping ground, but maybe it is 3B.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 12-14-2011 at 10:10 AM.

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    Eh... we're likely going to see Robinson, Baker, Wilson and Santo all get slotted before #120.

    One thing to point out is that 3B and 2B used to be switched regarding perceived offensive and defensive value. Try to imagine Hornsby, Collins & Lajoie along the same lines as Schmidt, Brett, Mathews & Boggs. I think the modern era offensive-minded 3rd basemen have engulfed those that came before them.

    I'm curious as to how we've elected only 5 players whose "primary decade" were the 1940s, and I wonder if WWII has anything to do with that.
    Last edited by J W; 12-14-2011 at 10:27 AM.

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    I thought about the 3B/2B defensive value flip but that came to pass by the 20s? So alot of the guys affected are the 19th century and deadball players who are most of the major omissions at most position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I'm really emphasizing 2 3Bmen here in Robinson and Baker. Are there really only 4 3Bmen in the history of the game worthy of the top 100? Maybe 3B really was/is a dumping ground for lesser athletes or maybe we don't have a good grasp on what makes a good 3Bman since we they seem to do poorly in every project.
    And in every project it begs the same question that you just asked - has there just coincidentally been lesser talent at 3B or is there something about the position that makes it hard to assess? It's not just us, I believe Ron Santo was just the 12th MLB thirdbasemen elected to the Hall of Fame, and when you consider that two of the electees are questionable to very questionable selections in George Kell and Freddie Lindstrom, and that Paul Molitor is really more of a DH, that leaves us with just 9.

    My thought is that the position has been a tough one to grasp as the expectations of the position are much more of a hybrid than at the other three IF positions. In particular, at 2B and SS, the typical expectation is defense first with offense being a bonus, while at 1B it's been the opposite. 3B, however, can't be easily lumped into an offense or defense first category as it requires the player to do well at both, but perhaps not standout at either. So it's hard to frame the context for the position.

    And to mirror some of the other comments, for a long time 3B was considered to be a first and foremost defensive position, particularly in the deadball era, and I believe that the expectations of the position were slow to change in the following decades despite the game changing, which might explain why the vast majority of the best offensive talent at the position didn't come until Eddie Mathews and after.

  15. #15
    1. Dennis Eckersley
    2. Joe Medwick
    3. Jim Palmer
    4. Paul Molitor
    5. Willie Keeler
    6. Harry Heilmann
    7. Hoyt Wilhelm
    8. Roberto Alomar
    9. Jesse Burkett
    10. George Sisler
    Last edited by dgarza; 12-14-2011 at 11:58 AM.

  16. #16
    1) Jesse Burkett (10)
    2) Dennis Eckersley (9)
    3) Lou Brock (8)
    4) Pud Galvin (7)
    5) Harry Heilmann (6)
    6) Luke Appling (5)
    7) Brooks Robinson (4)
    8) Mordecai Brown (3)
    9) Larry Doby (2)
    10) Fred Clarke (1)
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    1 - Three Finger Brown
    2 - Jesse Burkett
    3 - Joe Cronin
    4 - Fred Clarke
    5 - Willie Stargell
    6 - Jim Palmer
    7 - Brooks Robinson
    8 - Luke Appling
    9 - Bill Dickey
    10 - Home Run Baker

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    1. Bert Blyleven
    2. Fergie Jenkins
    3. Pee Wee Reese
    4. Paul Molitor
    5. Ron Santo
    6. Luke Appling
    7. Home Run Baker
    8. Brooks Robinson
    9. Don Drysdale
    10. Ryne Sandberg

  19. #19
    Two days left.

  20. #20
    1 Bert Blyleven
    2 Luke Appling
    3 Bill Dickey
    4 Fergie Jenkins
    5 Joe Cronin
    6 Jud Wilson
    7 Ozzie Smith
    8 Fred Clarke
    9 Amos Rusie
    10 Ed Walsh

  21. #21
    This election is over, here are the results:

    1) Mordecai Brown - 63 (56 points, 7 votes; 3 first place)
    2) Luke Appling - 58 (48 points, 10 votes)
    3) Brooks Robinson - 53 (44 points, 9 votes; 1 first place)
    4) Fergie Jenkins - 51 (45 points, 6 votes)
    5) Willie Stargell - 50 (44 points, 6 votes; 1 first place)

    6) Joe Cronin - 45 (39 points, 6 votes)
    7) Jim Palmer - 44 (38 points, 6 votes)
    8) Frank Baker - 41 (34 points, 7 votes)
    9) Buck Leonard - 39 (35 points, 4 votes; 2 first place)
    10) Bert Blyleven - 38 (33 points, 5 votes; 3 first place)
    11) Harry Heilmann - 35 (29 points, 6 votes)
    12) Jesse Burkett - 35 (30 points, 5 votes; 1 first place)
    13) Bill Dickey - 34 (27 points, 7 votes)
    14) Fred Clarke - 29 (24 points, 5 votes; 1 first place)
    15) Jud Wilson - 22 (19 points, 3 votes)
    16) Dennis Eckersley - 21 (19 points, 2 votes; 1 first place)
    17) Ozzie Smith - 16 (13 points, 3 votes)
    18) Paul Molitor - 16 (14 points, 2 votes)
    19) Mule Suttles - 13 (10 points, 3 votes)
    20) Dave Winfield - 13 (11 points, 2 votes)
    t21) Joe Medwick - 12 (10 points, 2 votes)
    t21) Ron Santo - 12 (10 points, 2 votes)
    23) Ed Walsh - 11 (8 points, 3 votes)
    24) Hoyt Wilhelm - 11 (9 points, 2 votes)
    25) George Sisler - 9 (6 points, 3 votes)
    t26) Cool Papa Bell - 9 (8 points, 1 vote)
    t26) Lou Brock - 9 (8 points, 1 vote)
    t26) Pee Wee Reese - 9 (8 points, 1 vote)
    t29) Pud Galvin - 8 (7 points, 1 vote)
    t29) Monte Irvin - 8 (7 points, 1 vote)
    31) Willie Keeler - 7 (6 points, 1 vote)
    32) Willie Wells - 5 (4 points, 1 vote)
    33) Roberto Alomar - 4 (3 points, 1 vote)
    t34) Larry Doby - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
    t34) Don Drysdale - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
    t34) Amos Rusie - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
    t37) Jim O'Rourke - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)
    t37) Charles Radbourn - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)
    t37) Ryne Sandberg - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)

    In light of the holidays, the next election may not get started for a few days.

    Also, we've now elected 28 pitchers and there's a good chance we'll get to an even 30 as we round out the top 100. At first observation, it struck me as somewhat inordinate to have 30% of our top 100 Hall of Famers be pitchers. Does that strike anyone else as a somewhat large percentage? But it's actually almost exactly in line with the overall percentage of Hall of Fame pitchers among all Hall of Famers, which I calculated to be 30.64%.

    Looking at recent results, I get the feeling that after electing a large number of pitchers in recent election, we'll have a cooling period for a while.

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    Also, we've now elected 28 pitchers and there's a good chance we'll get to an even 30 as we round out the top 100. At first observation, it struck me as somewhat inordinate to have 30% of our top 100 Hall of Famers be pitchers. Does that strike anyone else as a somewhat large percentage? But it's actually almost exactly in line with the overall percentage of Hall of Fame pitchers among all Hall of Famers, which I calculated to be 30.64%.

    Looking at recent results, I get the feeling that after electing a large number of pitchers in recent election, we'll have a cooling period for a while.
    First, sorry I haven't been voting recently- the Christmas season rush is overwhelming me.

    About the % of pitchers- it seems appropriate to me. After all, pitchers comprise at least 40% of ML rosters- more in recent years. And, even if we forget about bench/utility players and various relievers other than closers, at least 4 or 5 pitchers on any staff, at least since the early 20th c., play a big role on their team. That compares to 8, maybe 9 position players. So, yeah, at least 30% seems very appropriate.

    hopefully I'll vote more regularly after the new year.

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    30% looks about right to me as well. And I agree; having Hoyt Wilhelm climb the charts is an indication we're almost out of the elite (aka top-100) starting pitchers, so pitching will get thinner in the near future.

    I would also note that we're getting into the range of where Barry Larkin would be ranked, if he is elected January 9th.

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