Discussion: ELO Rater Draft

[John Shoemaker]

I agree - this is the best draft I've been in. A 40,000 cap would be a lot of fun and challenging.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I agree - this is the best draft I've been in. A 40,000 cap would be a lot of fun and challenging.

Yeah deff alot more challenging and the teams would prob end up more like a real baseball team. The teams would prob be more similer to a alltime great team like the 27 Yankees with maybe 2 superstar players and a bunch of good players. You could deff learn alot about players you may have never heard of.

Its interesting that one of the guys I picked Phil Todt was almost traded to the Yankees for Lou Gehrig in early 1925 to try to make up for the Babe Ruth deal. The Redsox turned the Yankees down. I'm not sure of how true this story is but it is mentioned in Lou Gehrigs bio and in the baseball referance bio of Phil Todt.

[Wade8813]

I don't know what happened with the WS draft, but I've never seen a problem with participants voting. Having only 3 voters seems less than ideal, because one voter who isn't very knowledgeable can skew everything, whereas if you have a lot of voters, one can only make a difference if the teams are so close that they're tied after all other votes.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I think the WS draft was voted pretty fairly but I have to wonder if some votes may have been used to keep the better team from advancing.

When that draft voting was going on I felt my team shoulda advanced but when I look at it now I deff had the lesser team and I shoulda been knocked out. I was looking at it the other day and Bigron had a good team in that but really looking at Mattc's team now he prob was the right choice to win it all.

MattC
C. Gary Carter I really under valued him at the time.
1B Albert Pujols
2B Eddie Collins
SS Alan Trammell
3B. Goerge Brett
LF. Enos Slaughter--He is pretty underated too
CF. Hank Aaron
RF. Roberto Clemente
SP1. Pedro Martinez
SP2. Jim Palmer
SP3. Tom Glavine
SP4. Kevin Brown
SP5. Dazzy Vance
RP. John Wettland
RP. Vida Blue
RP. Carl Mays
RP. Randy Myers
RP. Stan Covelski
IF. Chuck Knoblauch
IF. Rabbit Marrinville
IF. Tony Perez
OF. Luis Gonzalez
OF. Sal Bando
OF. Willie Davis
C. Mike Scoscia

Ian...came in 2nd I think he beat out Bigron
C. Gene Tenance
1B. Eddie Murray
2B. Charlie Gehringer
SS. Goerge Davis
3B. Mike Schmidt
LF. Al Simmons
CF. Mickey Mantle
RF. Al Kaline
SP1. Randy Johnson
SP2. Bob Gibson
SP3. Curt Schilling
SP4. David Cone
SP5. Mark Buerhle
RP. Dan Quisenberry
RP. Troy Percieval
RP. Al Leiter
RP. Jeff Nelson
RP. Max Lanier
IF. Homerun Baker
IF. Joe Tinker
IF. Joe Gordan
OF. Wally Moon
OF. Paul Blair
OF. Tommy Henrich
C. Smokey Burgess

Bigron

C. Thurman Munson----Yeah BigRon waited a little too long with his catcher pick plus I tryed to monopolize the catchers and everyone started picking catchers and it left Bigron with Munson. Yep that strategy really backfired on me.
1B. Hank Greenberg
2B. Roberto Alomar
SS. Lou Boudreau
3B. Eddie Mathews
LF. Goose Goslin
CF. Willie Mays
RF. Frank Robinson
SP1. Pete Alexander
SP2. Steve Carlton
SP3. Whity Ford
SP4. Eddie Cicotte
SP5. Vic Willis
RP. Kent Tekulve
RP. Jesse Orosco
RP. Jim Kaat
RP. Dolph Luque
RP. Allie Reynolds
IF. Darrell Evans
IF. Gil McDougald
IF. Maury Wills
OF/3B. Charles Keller
OF. Curt Flood
OF. Eric Davis
C. Jason Varitek

I have to check the rest.

But these three teams were prob the best in that draft so it was done pretty fair. Sockeye had one heck of a pitching staff in that one though.

I may have gotten some players mixed up and some may be out of what the original drafters wanted for em.

This was my team and WindyCity beat my team out which at the time I thought for sure I had him beat but I look at it now and its really not even close.

C. Johnny Bench
1B. Pete Rose
2B. Tony Lazzeri
SS. Derek Jeter
3B. Wade Boggs
LF. Rickey Henderson
CF. Tris Speaker
RF. Gary Sheffield
SP1. Roger Clemens
SP2. Three Finger Brown
SP3. Chief Bender
SP4. Joe McGinnity
SP5. Ed Reulbach----------I really thought Bender, McGinnity and Reulbach were great picks.
RP. Sparky Lyle
RP. Ron Perranoski
RP. Catfish Hunter
RP. Mickey Lolich
RP. Eddie Rommnel
RP. Jesse Haines
IF. Bill Terry
IF. Pie Traynor
IF. Red Schoendienst
OF. Bernie Williams
OF. Ross Youngs
C. Ivan Rodriguez

[John Shoemaker]

I don't really care how the voting is done - I agree with chicagowhitesox1173 - the fun part for me is the drafting and seeing how the teams develop.

[Second Base Coach]

How about this... head-to-head with double elimination. We are allowed to vote on a match-up if our team is not involved. This could be an open poll giving us six votes plus the public for each match up. That should be a good way to get enough votes.

[BigRon]

How about this... head-to-head with double elimination. We are allowed to vote on a match-up if our team is not involved. This could be an open poll giving us six votes plus the public for each match up. That should be a good way to get enough votes.

Just so you know- the typical way of doing this is for head to head series, single elimination, until a winner is chosen. Usually, the team "owners" vote. As I mentioned, in our last election, a 3 person outside panel served.

While a double elimination tournament may sound appealing, my experience tells me that enthusiasm will quickly wane as teams are eliminated. this has happened in the past with the normal single elimination- I doubt that stretching it out will maintain interest, either among the "owners" or voters at large. Just my opinion.

[Wade8813]

Just so you know - there is no typical way of doing this

[Second Base Coach]

Single elimination leaves open the option of a team being dismissed by questionable means.

If they are sent away twice, perhaps there is a real reason...

[John Shoemaker]

Does there HAVE to be a draft, or can we just pick our guys using 50,000 points?

The draft would remove duplication, sure...

And how do we determine who has the best team in the end?

I think we could make a good team using only 35,000 points - then there wouldn't be much duplication because we can't pick many (if any) of the most expensive players or we wouldn't have enough points left for the rest of the 25 players. Then we could just vote on who had the best team just like we would if we had a draft.

[Ben Grimm]

I think we could make a good team using only 35,000 points - then there wouldn't be much duplication because we can't pick many (if any) of the most expensive players or we wouldn't have enough points left for the rest of the 25 players. Then we could just vote on who had the best team just like we would if we had a draft.

The more I read about the elo draft, the more fun it sounds. Maybe we have a vote as to what would be the best points to use as a baseline to keep it not only fun, but still leave a bit of research. Or even make a limit on how many HOF's a team can have.

[Wade8813]

I don't think we need a limit on the # of HoFers - the point of the ELO system is to be our limiting factor

[John Shoemaker]

I don't think we need a limit on the # of HoFers - the point of the ELO system is to be our limiting factor

I agree the ELO system is all we need

[Ben Grimm]

I think we could make a good team using only 35,000 points - then there wouldn't be much duplication because we can't pick many (if any) of the most expensive players or we wouldn't have enough points left for the rest of the 25 players. Then we could just vote on who had the best team just like we would if we had a draft.

After looking at the rosters from the last one (50k points), 35000 sounds like it could make a more "realistic" team. Maybe if that works well, the next one gets dropped to 25000 just to tighten things up.

[John Shoemaker]

I really like the question that was asked by Second Base Coach draft if we really need a draft format or could we just pick our team using a set number of points and then just vote on who has the best team (Drafts sometimes take a long time). Anywhere from 50,00 points to 25,000 points has been suggested - I think 35,00 points would allow us to make some very good teams similar to current major league teams (no team can have all expensive players - even the Yankees!) - a team simply doesn't have enough money or in our case points - 35,000 points would allow us to have a few superstars but then do some research to fill out our roster with the best players with the points we have left (much like the current major leage teams have to do).