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    Phillies BBF HOF round 3

    This election will close on January 21, 2012, at 7:00 a.m EST.

    This is the third round for this franchise. The second round is here.

    We inducted the following players:
    Pete Alexander
    Dick Allen
    Richie Ashburn
    Jim Bunning
    Johnny Callison
    Steve Carlton
    Ed Delahanty
    Del Ennis
    Billy Hamilton
    Chuck Klein
    Greg Luzinski
    Sherry Magee
    Robin Roberts
    Curt Schilling
    Mike Schmidt
    Roy Thomas
    Sam Thompson

    Now the contributors:
    Pat Gillick
    Harry Kalas
    Paul Owens
    Danny Ozark


    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is required to elect a candidate.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1883 (NL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Philadelphia Quakers (1883-1889)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 2 (1980, 2008)
    - Pennants: 7 (1915, 1950, 1980, 1983, 1993, 2008, 2009)
    - Division Titles: 11 (1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1993, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Alamanc
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Players
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (7): Jimmy Rollins (2007), Ryan Howard (2006), Mike Schmidt (1986), Mike Schmidt (1981), Mike Schmidt (1980), Jim Konstanty (1950), Chuck Klein (1932)

    - Cy Young Recipients (7): Roy Halladay (2010), Steve Bedrosian (1987), John Denny (1983), Steve Carlton (1982), Steve Carlton (1980), Steve Carlton (1977), Steve Carlton (1972)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Ryan Howard (2005), Scott Rolen (1997), Dick Allen (1964), Jack Sanford (1957)

    - Batting Triple Crown (1): Chuck Klein (1933)

    - Pitching Triple Crown (3): Steve Carlton (1972), Pete Alexander (1916), Pete Alexander (1915)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Mike Schmidt		12
    t2	Steve Carlton		7
    t2	Robin Roberts		7
    t4	Larry Bowa		5
    t4	Chase Utley*		5
    t6	Richie Ashburn		4
    t6	Johnny Callison		4
    t6	Greg Luzinski		4
    t6	Pete Rose		4
    t10	Dick Allen		3
    t10	Bob Boone		3
    t10	Dave Cash		3
    t10	Darren Daulton		3
    t10	Lenny Dykstra		3
    t10	Del Ennis		3
    t10	Granny Hamner		3
    t10	Ryan Howard*		3
    t10	John Kruk		3
    t10	Art Mahaffey		3
    t10	Jimmy Rollins*		3
    t10	Curt Schilling		3
    t10	Curt Simmons		3
    t23	Bobby Abreu*		2
    t23	Jim Bunning		2
    t23	Gene Conley		2
    t23	Willie Jones		2
    t23	Mike Lieberthal		2
    t23	Stan Lopata		2
    t23	Juan Samuel		2
    t23	Chris Short		2
    t23	Tony Taylor		2
    t23	Manny Trillo		2
    t23	Emil Verban		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Larry Bowa		645		.522
    Ben Chapman		474		.415
    Pat Corrales		248		.534			1		1
    Red Dooin		775		.514
    Hugh Duffy		464		.451
    Jon Felske		384		.495
    Art Fletcher		612		.379
    Terry Francona^		648		.440
    Jim Fregosi		894		.482			1		1
    Dallas Green		299		.565	1		2		2
    Nick Levya		338		.439
    Frank Lucchesi		399		.416
    Charlie Manuel*		972		.560	1		2		4
    Gene Mauch		1332		.486
    Pat Moran		587		.557			1
    Billy Murray		458		.529
    Steve O’Neill		324		.565
    Paul Owens		319		.505
    Danny Ozark		1105		.538			3		3
    Doc Prothro		460		.301
    Eddie Sawyer		817		.480			1
    Bill Shettsline		677		.548
    Burt Shotton		923		.403
    Mayo Smith		548		.484
    Jimmie Wilson		763		.370
    Harry Wright		1227		.529
    
    * Current manager
    ^ Currently managing another team
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    My ballot:

    Players
    Charlie Buffinton
    Dan Casey
    Jack Clements
    Gavvy Cravath
    Darren Daulton
    Lenny Dykstra
    Von Hayes
    Charlie Ferguson
    Elmer Flick
    John Kruk
    Nap Lajoie
    Garry Maddox
    Chris Short
    Curt Simmons
    John Titus

    Contributors
    Bill Campbell
    Dallas Green
    Charlie Manuel
    Phillie Phanatic
    By Saam
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
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    I'm going to speak up for two contributors: Charlie Manuel and Dallas Green. Now, I supported the election of Danny Ozark, but there's no doubt I'd put in Manuel first, and Green has a better case than one might think.

    First, Manuel. Charlie has already won four consecutive division titles (one more than Ozark), but, unlike Ozark, twice won the pennant and once the World Series.

    Green won in 1980 and had them going well until the strike in 1981. It went downhill after that. But Green had a big hand in creating that team as well: Green became the assistant farm director for the Philadelphia Phillies from 1970 to 1972. He was the director of player development from 1973 to 1974 and Scouting Director from 1975 to 1979.
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    Players
    Charlie Buffinton
    Jack Clements
    Gavvy Cravath
    Lenny Dykstra
    Charlie Ferguson
    Elmer Flick
    Tony Gonzalez
    Von Hayes
    Willie Jones
    Garry Maddox
    Al Orth
    Chris Short
    Curt Simmons
    John Titus
    Cy Williams

    Contributors
    Dallas Green
    Charlie Manuel
    Gene Mauch
    Pat Moran
    Harry Wright
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    Players:

    Jack Clements

    Gavvy Gravath

    Charlie Ferguson

    Chris Short

    Contributors:

    Bill Campbell

    Dallas Green

    Charlie Manuel

    Gene Mauch

    Phillie Phanatic

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    We've had a slow start to this election. Hopefully, things will pick up.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    Players:

    Bob Boone
    Larry Bowa
    Dave Cash
    Gavvy Cravath
    Charlie Buffinton
    Jack Clements
    Darren Daulton
    Red Dooin
    Lenny Dykstra
    Von Hayes
    John Kruk
    Gary Maddox
    Pete Rose
    Curt Simmons
    Cy Williams

    Contributors:

    Charlie Manuel
    The Phanatic

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    Players
    Bob Boone
    Larry Bowa
    Jack Clements
    Gavvy Cravath
    Darren Daulton
    Lenny Dykstra
    Granny Hamner
    Von Hayes
    Willie Jones
    John Kruk
    Mike Lieberthal
    Garry Maddox
    Chris Short
    Curt Simmons
    Manny Trillo

    Contributors
    Dallas Green
    Charlie Manuel
    Phillie Phanatic
    Al Reach
    Harry Wright

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    We've got eight plus days to go, and we still need one vote just to be able to elect anyone. Three more, and it's possible this franchise could go for another round.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    Players
    Jack Clements
    Gavvy Cravath
    Darren Daulton
    Lenny Dykstra
    Tony Gonzalez
    Von Hayes
    Elmer Flick
    John Kruk
    Nap Lajoie
    Chris Short
    Curt Simmons
    John Titus
    Cy Williams

    Contributors
    Bill Campbell
    Dallas Green
    Charlie Manuel
    Gene Mauch
    Harry Wright
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    There's about 2 1/2 days left, and while we can elect someone, we need two more votes to have any chance of continuing the elections for this franchise.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    We only managed six voters, which means this is the last election for this franchise. That said, we still managed to get the minimum six votes for two players and one contributor. Those above the '============= line are in, the rest are not. I'll list the players first:

    6 Clements, Jack
    6 Cravath, Gavvy
    = ==============
    5 Dykstra, Lenny
    5 Hayes, Von
    5 Short, Chris
    5 Simmons, Curt
    4 Daulton, Darren
    4 Kruk, John
    4 Maddox, Garry
    3 Buffinton, Charlie
    3 Ferguson, Charlie
    3 Flick, Elmer
    3 Titus, John
    3 Williams, Cy
    2 Boone, Bob
    2 Bowa, Larry
    2 Gonzalez, Tony
    2 Jones, Willie
    2 LaJoie, Nap
    1 Casey, Dan
    1 Cash, Dave
    1 Dooin, Red
    1 Hamner, Granny
    1 Lieberthal, Mike
    1 Orth, Al
    1 Rose, Pete
    1 Trillo, Manny

    Now the contributors:

    6 Manuel, Charlie
    = =============
    5 Green, Dallas
    4 Phillie Phanatic
    3 Campbell, Bill
    3 Mauch, Gene
    3 Wright, Harry
    1 Moran, Pat
    1 Reach, Al
    1 Saam, By
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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