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Thread: Montero for Pineda trade: good or bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeRLA1968 View Post
    I think it will be fair to wait 10 years to evaulate this trade. I think even if Montero blooms into like a Pujols type player, you can't blame the Yankees for wanting to get young pitching talent and hope to come up with an ace.
    If Montero turns into a Pujols, which I doubt I think more like a Frank Thomas, then I would hate Cashman even more for not getting King Felix back or Roy Halladay or even Cliff Lee in previous years.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStarks View Post
    If Montero turns into a Pujols, which I doubt I think more like a Frank Thomas, then I would hate Cashman even more for not getting King Felix back or Roy Halladay or even Cliff Lee in previous years.
    I doubt he will be as good as pujols or thomas. IMO his minor league stats don't indicate that.

    but I could imagine him putting up about a 140 OPS+ every year. If he does that as a 1B that is good. but as a catcher that would make him an MVP candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    I doubt he will be as good as pujols or thomas. IMO his minor league stats don't indicate that.

    but I could imagine him putting up about a 140 OPS+ every year. If he does that as a 1B that is good. but as a catcher that would make him an MVP candidate.
    Pujols minor league numbers didn't indicate he would be the monster he is either.
    Look at Cano's minor league numbers, for God's sake he was almost a throw in on that Randy Johnson trade. LOL

    When I see Montero's minor league stats, I saw a hitter who mashes then pitchers catch up, then Monero adjusts and continues mashing. His numbers don't tell you everything about him. I checked in on him weekly and would see eye popping numbers, then he'd struggle, then he'd adjust and be back to putting up numbers.

    I could see Montero hitting .285-.310 w/25-32HR while posting .370+ OBP
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    Pujols is my worst case scenario of how good Montero could turn out. I am doubtful about his power numbers in a pitcher friendly park like Seattle.

    Anyways...it could be another Cashman blunder for sure but I would like to think we need to wait 10 years to really evaluate. Sometimes it is a crapshoot...the Yankees need good young pitching and want someone that can become a dominate #1 guy. I can't blame them for intent...as for evaluating what Pineda could truly offer...we will see.

  5. #25
    While hoping for Pujols is a bit much. Not impossible. But not likely. Still I think he will be a great hitter.

    We traded Jesus for Judas.

    Can that be Pineda's new nickname.

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    Do yesterdays mega contracts influence any thoughts on this trade? Both players are reasonable comps towards the high end. Solid/ace pitcher. High end hitter with little defensive value. Big difference in paydays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    While hoping for Pujols is a bit much. Not impossible. But not likely. Still I think he will be a great hitter.

    We traded Jesus for Judas.

    Can that be Pineda's new nickname.
    I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
    I think it is slightly inside out. Not unlike Jeter but with power. Just my recollection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominik View Post
    I have heard concerns about monteros swing (called "unorthodox"). maybe this coul be a concern in the future when pitchers find holes in his swing that he cannot cover. not sure if this is true though.
    Like I said in another post, after watching him like a stock he starts out fast then usually hits a bump in the road, but he eventually recovers. So there is an adjustment period to him by pitchers and then he readjusts to them.

    So to answer, yes pitcher seem to find a whole in his swing....but Montero eventually overcomes it.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    i just wish we kept Jesus Montero


    he's going to be the next Babe Ruth

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    He wont be. At best a bit better hitting Jorge Posada, not that thats a easy thing to become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Korean View Post
    He wont be. At best a bit better hitting Jorge Posada, not that thats a easy thing to become.
    last year he slugged .590


    Jorge could only dream to do that lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
    i just wish we kept Jesus Montero


    he's going to be the next Babe Ruth
    LMAO? Really?

    I highly doubt in a pitcher's park like Seattle he will become a Babe Ruth. Much less if he starts mashing the ball...he will be pitched around right away. He has very little to no protection in the Mariner lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeRLA1968 View Post
    LMAO? Really?

    I highly doubt in a pitcher's park like Seattle he will become a Babe Ruth. Much less if he starts mashing the ball...he will be pitched around right away. He has very little to no protection in the Mariner lineup.
    *gasp* You mean a 38 year old Ichiro is not enough protection????!!!?

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    I just read that Pineda is probably out until at least May! So how does this affect things? It sounds like tendonitis in his elbow which was affecting his velocity among other things.

    Of course Montero has gotten dinged up a little bit this spring as well, so we will still have to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgartohof View Post
    I just read that Pineda is probably out until at least May! So how does this affect things? It sounds like tendonitis in his elbow which was affecting his velocity among other things.

    Of course Montero has gotten dinged up a little bit this spring as well, so we will still have to wait and see.
    Not at all. Trade was bad for Yanks. But one month is not the deciding factor.

  17. #37
    GEESH speak for yourself.....Pineda might have to camp not in top form but before we cry and whine that it was a bad trade...lets give Pineda a few starts much less a few seasons.

    I am sorry but the unbelievable attitude that Montero is a freaking HOFer before he even plays a full season is just insulting. Babe Ruth...LMAO...Now there have been some good bats in th elast decade and half that have only DHed....but I would still take 10 good years from a top #1 or #2 starting pitcher over David Ortiz or even Edgar Martinez. With interleague play and of course the World Series...it creates an issue much less if an older player or player with a slight injury can't DH to stay in the line up for their bat. I hope people here will at least admit....Montero was only going to DH. There was no plan for him to catch or play any other position. If he does with the Mariners...that is great.

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    So I was only one of three to vote No. From the start I thought it was an awful trade, and so far it seems like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    Not at all. Trade was bad for Yanks. But one month is not the deciding factor.
    If Jose Campos keeps pitching like he is, you might eat crow. It's way to early to say this trade was won by Seattle. Believe me, I hated this trade very much so when it happened and today I hate it even more since Pineda is on the DL with arm troubles.

    BTW, anyone check on Austin Jackson lately? Might just be that he's turning things around.


    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    So I was only one of three to vote No. From the start I thought it was an awful trade, and so far it seems like it.
    No on what? I hated the trade as well.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStarks View Post
    No on what? I hated the trade as well.
    "No" in this poll. Only three voted "No" (meaning they didn't like the trade). 12 voted Yes, and 7 voted no. We're one of the three.
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