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    BBF A's Hall of Fame-round four

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    Link to round threee

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is required for induction under all circumstances.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.

    This franchise has already inducted the following:

    Players
    Frank Baker
    Sal Bando
    Chief Bender
    Vida Blue
    Bert Campaneris
    Mickey Cochrane
    Eddie Collins
    Dennis Eckersley
    Jimmie Foxx
    Lefty Grove
    Rickey Henderson
    Catfish Hunter
    Reggie Jackson
    Bob Johnson
    Mark McGwire
    Dwayne Murphy
    Eddie Plank
    Eddie Rommell
    Al Simmons
    Gene Tenace
    Rube Waddell

    Contributors voting concluded for this portion of the ballot
    Charlie Finley
    Connie Mack
    Ben Shibe
    Dick Williams


    OAKLAND ATHLETICS
    This election will end on Saturday, February 25, 20121, at 7:00 a.m.EST

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Philadelphia Athletics (1901-1954), Kansas City Athletics (1955-1967)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 9 (1910, 1911, 1913, 1929, 1930, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1989)
    - Pennants: 15 (1902, 1905, 1910, 1911, 1913, 1914, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1988, 1989, 1990)
    - Division Titles: 14 (1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1981, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2006)
    - Wild Card Berths: 1 (2001)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (13): Miguel Tejada (2002), Jason Giambi (2000), Dennis Eckersley (1992), Rickey Henderson (1990), Jose Canseco (1988), Reggie Jackson (1973), Vida Blue (1971), Bobby Shantz (1952), Jimmie Foxx (1933), Jimmie Foxx (1932), Lefty Grove (1931), Mickey Cochrane (1928), Eddie Collins (1914)

    - Cy Young Recipients (5): Barry Zito (2002), Dennis Eckersley (1992), Bob Welch (1990), Catfish Hunter (1974), Vida Blue (1971)

    - RoY Recipients (8): Andrew Bailey (2009), Huston Street (2005), Bobby Crosby (2004), Ben Grieve (1998), Walt Weiss (1988), Mark McGwire (1987), Jose Canseco (1986), Harry Byrd (1952)

    - Batting Triple Crown (2): Jimmie Foxx (1933), Napoleon Lajoie (1901)

    - Pitching Triple Crown (3): Lefty Grove (1931), Lefty Grove (1930), Rube Waddell (1905)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Mark McGwire		9
    t2	Rickey Henderson	6
    t2	Catfish Hunter		6
    t2	Reggie Jackson		6
    t5	Bert Campaneris		5
    t5	Jose Canseco		5
    t5	Bob Johnson		5
    t8	Sal Bando		4
    t8	Bud Daley		4
    t8	Dennis Eckersley	4
    t8	Rollie Fingers		4
    t8	Frankie Hayes		4
    t13	Vida Blue		3
    t13	Ferris Fain		3
    t13	Jimmie Foxx		3
    t13	Buddy Rosar		3
    t13	Joe Rudi		3
    t13	Norm Siebern		3
    t13	Terry Steinbach		3
    t13	Barry Zito*		3
    t21	Andrew Bailey*		2
    t21	Justin Duchscherer*	2
    t21	Jim Finigan		2
    t21	Jason Giambi*		2
    t21	Pinky Higgins		2
    t21	Ken Holtzman		2
    t21	Jay Howell		2
    t21	Dick Howser		2
    t21	Tim Hudson*		2
    t21	Eddie Joost		2
    t21	Mark Mulder		2
    t21	Blue Moon Odom		2
    t21	Vic Power		2
    t21	Bobby Shantz		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Hank Bauer		413		.453
    Lou Boudreau		413		.367
    Harry Craft		360		.453
    Alvin Dark		605		.519	1		1		2
    Jimmy Dykes		466		.450
    Bob Geren*		647		.474
    Art Howe		1133		.530					3		1
    Tony LaRussa^		1471		.542	1		3		4
    Ken Macha		648		.568					1
    Connie Mack		7466		.484	5		9
    Billy Martin		433		.497					1
    Jackie Moore		353		.462
    Dick Williams		478		.603	2		2		3
    
    * Current manager
    ^ Currently managing another team
    Last edited by jalbright; 02-12-2012 at 07:45 AM.
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    My ballot:
    Jack Barry
    Max Bishop
    Jose Canseco
    Harry Davis
    Topsy Hartsel
    Eddie Joost
    Carney Lansford
    Stuffy McInnis
    Danny Murphy
    Joe Rudi
    Socks Seybold
    Bobby Shantz
    Terry Steinbach
    Rube Walberg
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    Max Bishop

    Jose Canseco

    Harry Davis

    Topsy Hartsel

    Carney Lansford

    Danny Murphy

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    Rollie Fingers
    Dave Henderson
    Ken Holtzman
    Carney Lansford
    Dwayne Murphy
    Bill North
    Blue Moon Odom
    Tony Phillips
    Joe Rudi
    Dave Stewart
    Last edited by Los Bravos; 02-13-2012 at 03:44 PM.

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    Max Bishop
    Jose Canseco
    Harry Davis
    Jimmy Dykes
    Eddie Joost
    Carney Lansford
    Stuffy McInnis
    Bing Miller
    Wally Moses
    Danny Murphy
    Terry Steinbach
    Dave Stewart
    Rube Walberg
    Bob Welch
    Gus Zernial
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    Jose Canseco
    Terry Steinbach
    Carney Lansford
    Eddie Joost
    Dave Stewart
    Joe Rudi
    Blue Moon Odom
    Harry Davis
    Nap Lajoie
    Frankie Hayes
    Bob Johnson
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    Jack Coombs
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    Topsy Hartsel
    Eddie Joost
    Carney Lansford
    Stuffy McInnis
    Danny Murphy
    Joe Rudi
    Socks Seybold
    Terry Steinbach
    Elmer Valo
    Rube Walberg
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    Harry Davis
    Jimmy Dykes
    Rollie Fingers
    Eddie Joost
    Nap Lajoie
    Stuffy McInnis
    Joe Rudi
    Bobby Shantz
    Dave Stewart
    Bob Welch

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    We're currently at seven votes for this franchise. We need one more to have any chance of another round, but is enough to elect someone.
    Last edited by jalbright; 02-12-2012 at 06:56 PM.
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    Max Bishop
    Jose Canseco
    Harry Davis
    Ferris Fain
    Rollie Fingers
    Topsy Hartsel
    Frankie Hayes
    Eddie Joost
    Carney Lansford
    Mark Mulder
    Danny Murphy
    Joe Rudi
    Bobby Shantz
    Terry Steinbach
    Rube Walberg

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    Max Bishop
    Jose Canseco
    Sam Chapman
    Harry Davis
    Topsy Hartsel
    Eddie Joost
    Stuffy McInnis
    Danny Murphy
    Tony Phillips
    Socks Seybold
    Terry Steinbach
    Dave Stewart
    Rube Walberg

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    Jimmie Dykes
    Ferris Fain
    Bob Johnson
    Eddie Joost
    Bing Miller
    Wally Moses
    Bobby Shantz
    Elmer Valo

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    About a eight days to go in this election, and right now I suspect the A's will go to the second chance and actives/recent retirees elections along with the expansion franchises
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
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    The A's had 10 votes and elected two guys, as will be reflected in the results below. However, there doesn't seem to be anybody who could get elected next round without a campaign on behalf of someone--and since we've got the second chance opportunity already available, that's not enough of a reason to give them a round in addition to the second chance round (assuming there are nominees) and the round with recent retirees and currently active players. Without further ado, the official results will follow, with those elected above the '==========' line and the rest are not:

    8 Davis, Harry
    8 Joost, Eddie
    = ===========
    7 Canseco, Jose
    7 Lansford, Carney
    6 Bishop, Max
    6 Murphy, Danny
    6 Rudi, Joe
    6 Steinbach, Terry
    5 Hartsel, Topsy
    5 McInnis, Stuffy
    5 Stewart, Dave
    5 Walberg, Rube
    4 Dykes, Jimmy
    4 Shantz, Bobby
    3 Fingers, Rollie
    3 Seybold, Socks
    2 Fain, Ferris
    2 Hayes, Frankie
    2 Lajoie, Nap
    2 Miller, Bing
    2 Moses, Wally
    2 Odom, Blue Moon
    2 Phillips, Tony
    2 Valo, Elmer
    2 Welch, Bob
    1 Barry, Jack
    1 Chapman, Sam
    1 Coombs, Jack
    1 Henderson, Dave
    1 Holtzman, Ken
    1 Mulder, Mark
    1 North, Bill
    1 Zernial, Gus
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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