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Thread: The Return of the Jedi (Andy Pettite)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStarks View Post
    If they didn't think he could be the catcher long term...they could have just waited for Gary Sanchez or Austin Romine. They're both either a year or two away.



    Was that directed at me Mr. Knight? LOL

    Two things:
    1. If this was not direct at me...then disregard and read no further.




    2. If this was directed at me then let us discuss. One: I only bash Jeter when he warrants it. I am sorry that I don't drink the Jeter KoolAid and cherish the ground that he walks on. To me he's Barry Larkin in a big market and no health issues. Do I feel Jeter gets more credit than he deserves? Hell yes! Do I think Jeter is a mediocre shortstop? Hell yes! Do I think the NY Media and Yankee fans from 95+ kiss his ring? Of course! Do I think that Jeter has one of the biggest ego's on this team? Hell. Yes! I won't apologize for that. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

    Now onto Andy. Do I like Andy? Yes, I do. But here is my issue. The Yankees need to fill out 3 Starting Rotation spots from the likes of: Phil Hughes, Freddy Garcia, Michael Pineda, and Ivan Nova. And now they just added Andy to the mix. It's as if the Front Office has no faith in what they already have on hand. Or maybe that 2.5 Million was itching in Hank Steinbrenner's pocket. This stinks to high hell of a Steinbrenner move.

    Hughes has been dealing this Spring and Pineda is bouncing back, velocity was hitting 94 last outing. That leaves Nova, who was a godsend last season, and Garcia who's been injured so far. I think the spots should goto Hughes, Pineda and Nova. Send Garcia to AAA or home. Now, this is why I don't like the move. The Yanks already have the insurance policy in Garcia and he pitched better than expected for the Yankees last season. Andy was at home last season eating Cheetos and drinking Dr. Pepper. The Yankees then have the Killer B's in Banuelos and Betances in the wings and don't forget David Phelps, DJ Mitchell or Adam Warren could see action as well. So why? Why bring back Andy? Why not move forward instead? Why not let these kids battle it out for a chance to be one of the first in line to get a call up if a Starter gets injured? I could see if this was June and the back of the rotation was stinking up the joint, but it's March!

    Bringing Andy into the mix stinks of the late 80's and early 90's desperation when the Yankees would have a good prospect in the wings such as a Doug Drabek, Jose Rijo, Al Leiter, Jay Buhner, Fred McGriff, Eric Plunk, or Jay Howell only to trade him for a retread. Why not let one of the prospects get a fair shot over Andy? The Yankees don't lose anything. It's for a Fifth spot in the Rotation, all this pitcher has to do is keep his head above water by pitching .500 ball or close to that. A prospect could do that and he could also be learning on the job and even give you a Hughes or Nova double digit in wins out of the blue at next to nothing in cost and from an unexpected spot. So that's my issue. I want to move forward....not backwards.

    What's next? Posada next spring training gets resigned too?!
    It was mostly tongue in cheek, Tony, and mostly directed at NJYankeeFan, as we go back the past year debating Jeter in a light hearted way, never throwing insults or calling names. No disrespect at all to anyone, just call it me firing the first shot in what's gonna be a fun year watching watching him get past St. Cal in hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStarks View Post
    *Takes a Bow*

    Thank you...to those that disagree on me re: Jeter. *shrug* I will not apologize ....we'll just have to agree to disagree.
    I agree with your post...kudos. A few points about Jeter I will agree to disagree as a gentleman. But well written overall.

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    @White Knight.

    Fair enough. Just drafted Jeter in a fantasy league. Not elite anymore but still ok.

    Many memories but sometimes you base it on what the present holds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    @White Knight.

    Fair enough. Just drafted Jeter in a fantasy league. Not elite anymore but still ok.

    Many memories but sometimes you base it on what the present holds.
    Hopefully we won't argue at all this year and Jeter hits .315 and satisfies us all.
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    WK and co...

    I rarely take things personally. We are all here to discuss the Yankees and Yankee related things. Some of us are here to cheer on this team and some are here to just hate, their prerogative. So long as we keep the dialogue moving, stick to talking baseball and keep it civil, we'll all be gravy.

    I'm hoping for an awesome year from the Yankees and an awesome year for baseball!
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    Hopefully we won't argue at all this year and Jeter hits .315 and satisfies us all.
    Nah. No point to forums without a good argument. But we can keep it friendly.

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    Well I am happy that the word is that Andy won't be ready till May at best. This gives the yankees some chance to see what we have at the tail end of the rotation. After some solid outings from Kuroda, Hughes, Nova and Pineda...not sure who might be the tail end.

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    If Hughes bombs again Andy will take his place. Kuroda might bomb too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    Nah. No point to forums without a good argument. But we can keep it friendly.
    Yeah that's true. Even if he hits .315, you can still call it an empty .315 with no power and bad defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Korean View Post
    If Hughes bombs again Andy will take his place. Kuroda might bomb too.
    Nova is most likely. Pineda too. But i think Pineda will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    Yeah that's true. Even if he hits .315, you can still call it an empty .315 with no power and bad defense.
    I hope he has a little pop. I hope he hits righties ok. And i hope he plays passable defense. I just would not bet $17m on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    I hope he has a little pop. I hope he hits righties ok. And i hope he plays passable defense. I just would not bet $17m on it.
    As much as I am pro-Jeter and think he can hit .300-.315 and play solid defense, I just don't see him pop returning. I hope I'm wrong, but I'd be shocked if he hits more than 10-12 HR's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    Nova is most likely. Pineda too. But i think Pineda will be fine.
    Nova will be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYankeeFan View Post
    Nova is most likely. Pineda too. But i think Pineda will be fine.
    I think they have Hughes on a short leash. Unless he stars starting they won't hesitate dumping him in the bullpen in favor of Andy. Nova will be fine and they will give Pineda plenty of rope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhslancers View Post
    I think they have Hughes on a short leash. Unless he stars starting they won't hesitate dumping him in the bullpen in favor of Andy. Nova will be fine and they will give Pineda plenty of rope.
    Hughes? I think Nova is on a even shorter leash.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStarks View Post
    Hughes? I think Nova is on a even shorter leash.
    I agree. Hughes was even referred to by Cashman as having top of rotation stuff. Its put up or shut up time.

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    Are Yankee fans really that excited about this? I know i am a Rays fan and i have all the respect in the world for him but he is far past his prime and hasn't pitched in a year or more. Do you guys really think he will be able to hold up a full season again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Are Yankee fans really that excited about this? I know i am a Rays fan and i have all the respect in the world for him but he is far past his prime and hasn't pitched in a year or more. Do you guys really think he will be able to hold up a full season again?
    Depends who you ask. Me? I'm ecstatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Are Yankee fans really that excited about this? I know i am a Rays fan and i have all the respect in the world for him but he is far past his prime and hasn't pitched in a year or more. Do you guys really think he will be able to hold up a full season again?
    If you read the thread closely you see that a lot of yankee fans here see the comeback quite sceptical.
    I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps, but the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time he’s clogging up the bases for somebody who can run. – Dusty Baker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Are Yankee fans really that excited about this? I know i am a Rays fan and i have all the respect in the world for him but he is far past his prime and hasn't pitched in a year or more. Do you guys really think he will be able to hold up a full season again?
    My only consolation is what Tony Starks posted. "It is insurance for Pineda."

    I have no fantasy that Pettitte is going to make or break this campaign. The Yankees will live and die with CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, and Pineda for the most part. If any of the last 3 falter then the insurance will be Andy. A strong pen and possible other options in AAA or Garcia as well.

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    Not only Pineda but Hughes and Kuroda as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaysFan_98 View Post
    Are Yankee fans really that excited about this? I know i am a Rays fan and i have all the respect in the world for him but he is far past his prime and hasn't pitched in a year or more. Do you guys really think he will be able to hold up a full season again?
    Nope, not I.
    I hate the signing and think it's dumb.
    "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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    My boy looked good today.
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    What timetable do the Yankees have for using Andy Pettitte in a major league game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
    What timetable do the Yankees have for using Andy Pettitte in a major league game?
    Early May.
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